Washington Post...that idea to have a single payer healthcare system....won't work...

[2aguy]

Yeah....since left wingers believe in pixie dust and unicorns is it any surprise they think a single payer healthcare system would actually work...since it isn't working anywhere else in the world....

The Washington Post got a dose of reality...they ran some of the numbers for a single payer healthcare system.......and broke into a cold sweat...

WaPo Admits Single-Payer Health Care Would be "Astonishingly" Expensive

Washington Post: Hey, maybe single payer isn't such a great idea - Hot Air

“I was skeptical when the original bill passed,” Peter Galbraith, a Vermont state senator, said. “When you pass a benefit and don’t say how you’re going to pay for it, it raises the obvious question of, ‘How are you going to pay for it?'”

The answer, for Vermont, was a disheartening one: The state wouldn’t ever pay for the plan. By December 2014 — more than three years after Act 48 became law — the Shumlin administration had run the numbers dozens of different ways.

And its analysts had found that it would cost $2.5 billion to buy coverage for all Vermonters.

In Vermont, this was massive: The state only raises $2.7 billion in taxes a year — the single-payer plan would mean doubling tax collections.

The Shumlin administration estimated it would need to increase payroll taxes by 11.5 percent and income tax by 9 percent. That’s a big lift even if it would replace existing health premiums.

 

[martybegan]

Yeah....since left wingers believe in pixie dust and unicorns is it any surprise they think a single payer healthcare system would actually work...since it isn't working anywhere else in the world....

The Washington Post got a dose of reality...they ran some of the numbers for a single payer healthcare system.......and broke into a cold sweat...

WaPo Admits Single-Payer Health Care Would be "Astonishingly" Expensive

Washington Post: Hey, maybe single payer isn't such a great idea - Hot Air

“I was skeptical when the original bill passed,” Peter Galbraith, a Vermont state senator, said. “When you pass a benefit and don’t say how you’re going to pay for it, it raises the obvious question of, ‘How are you going to pay for it?'”

The answer, for Vermont, was a disheartening one: The state wouldn’t ever pay for the plan. By December 2014 — more than three years after Act 48 became law — the Shumlin administration had run the numbers dozens of different ways.

And its analysts had found that it would cost $2.5 billion to buy coverage for all Vermonters.

In Vermont, this was massive: The state only raises $2.7 billion in taxes a year — the single-payer plan would mean doubling tax collections.

The Shumlin administration estimated it would need to increase payroll taxes by 11.5 percent and income tax by 9 percent. That’s a big lift even if it would replace existing health premiums.

They can't even try it in a single State, a small State, and they want to impose it on the entire country.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

You already lost this argument in CDZ - Japan has a better national health care than us: why?. Your article on Japan is six years old and its health care system is called the marvel of the year.

 

[martybegan]

You already lost this argument in CDZ - Japan has a better national health care than us: why?. Your article on Japan is six years old and its health care system is called the marvel of the year.

They also don't sue any doctor that doesn't give a perfect result, they also have a much higher suicide rate, and they are a nation of conformist ritualistic lemmings.

 

[2aguy]

You already lost this argument in CDZ - Japan has a better national health care than us: why?. Your article on Japan is six years old and its health care system is called the marvel of the year.

The Japanese system is collapsing, moron......as are all the national healthcare systems...they can't be maintained....

 

[2aguy]

You already lost this argument in CDZ - Japan has a better national health care than us: why?. Your article on Japan is six years old and its health care system is called the marvel of the year.

Except...no....

Japan's buckling health care system at a crossroads | The Japan Times

But the downside of this long-running system is that, while the government controls the cost of medical goods and services, it doesn’t control the volume of services provided, Tsugawa said. This has fostered a culture in Japan of patients seeking more care than necessary because access is unlimited, he explained.

This high demand serves the interests of hospitals and clinics, who need to increase the amount of services available to make up for the narrowing profit margins resulting from Chuikyo’s price cuts, he said.

This explains why doctors in Japan are always busy, handling dozens of patients daily and sparing little time to communicate with them. It also explains why tests are so commonplace at clinics and hospitals.
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apan will also need to reconsider its easy access to care, with the postwar baby-boom generation scheduled to enter their 80s in 2025, Ishiyama said.

“We will need to step back from the current ‘all you can eat’ system where there’s a lot of waste,” he said. “We need to brace for more patients in the coming years with less money on hand.”

 

[X.Onasis]

Over 40 million Americans not having health insurance is okay?

And still the rate per person in the US is nearly THREE times the cost in Japan?

Yet you claim it can't be done and Democrats are the party of hate?

Republican are pinheads to allow your Congress to cut back healthcare, cripple the Affordable Care Act, and give millionaires a tax cut to cut $800 billion from necessary services.

Un-fucking-believable. It is you who will be stewing in your own ignorance and hate.

 

[MACAULAY]

Just another chapter in the Case of the Productive People v. the Porch Sitters.

The Porch Sitters think everybody except them are Rich.

Jeff Bazos is Rich. The Hollywood Goofballs are Rich. The Wall Street Bloodsuckers & Inside Traders are Rich. And most of all that Group are Democrats.

The Porch Sitters never account for the hard working people in the Heartland who are not rich; who get up every day and go put up with the stress of a boss and a job, often one they don't like...but they have kids, a family...and they don't care for the Government to have to take care of them. Its an old fashioned notion, but they want to take care of their families themselves...and can hardly do so for the Damn Taxes, especially if they are Self-Employed.

Fuck Vermont. Fuck California...which has been invaded by Mexico. Fuck all the Rotting Cities in the North filled with Porch Sitters. In short, Fuck the Socialists. This is America. Lets get some people off their ass...off the Tax Payer Tit.

 

[2aguy]

Over 40 million Americans not having health insurance is okay?

And still the rate per person in the US is nearly THREE times the cost in Japan?

Yet you claim it can't be done and Democrats are the party of hate?

Republican are pinheads to allow your Congress to cut back healthcare, cripple the Affordable Care Act, and give millionaires a tax cut to cut $800 billion from necessary services.

Un-fucking-believable. It is you who will be stewing in your own ignorance and hate.

The obamacare....was designed to crash the system...which it is doing right now......and we have two states that have run the numbers......single payer would consume their entire state budgets......

And, twit.......the systems you want, are all going bankrupt.......

 

[JakeStarkey]

Over 40 million Americans not having health insurance is okay?

And still the rate per person in the US is nearly THREE times the cost in Japan?

Yet you claim it can't be done and Democrats are the party of hate?

Republican are pinheads to allow your Congress to cut back healthcare, cripple the Affordable Care Act, and give millionaires a tax cut to cut $800 billion from necessary services.

Un-fucking-believable. It is you who will be stewing in your own ignorance and hate.

The obamacare....was designed to crash the system...which it is doing right now......and we have two states that have run the numbers......single payer would consume their entire state budgets......

And, twit.......the systems you want, are all going bankrupt.......

No, it was not.

 

[X.Onasis]

Just another chapter in the Case of the Productive People v. the Porch Sitters.

The Porch Sitters think everybody except them are Rich.

Jeff Bazos is Rich. The Hollywood Goofballs are Rich. The Wall Street Bloodsuckers & Inside Traders are Rich. And most of all that Group are Democrats.

The Porch Sitters never account for the hard working people in the Heartland who are not rich; who get up every day and go put up with the stress of a boss and a job, often one they don't like...but they have kids, a family...and they don't care for the Government to have to take care of them. Its an old fashioned notion, but they want to take care of their families themselves...and can hardly do so for the Damn Taxes, especially if they are Self-Employed.

Fuck Vermont. Fuck California...which has been invaded by Mexico. Fuck all the Rotting Cities in the North filled with Porch Sitters. In short, Fuck the Socialists. This is America. Lets get some people off their ass...off the Tax Payer Tit.

We are a generally wealthy people in this country and some are doing very well and partly because of what all of us are paying for. Not everyone has a good job making over $200,000 a year and those are the "wealthy" who are getting the 3.8% tax break on their investment income that will amount to 80 billion a year that's likely to be removed from medicaid, medicare and subsidized insurance for the elderly, poor, sick and disabled, and even underemployed that you disparage.

Fuck you for being so stupid not to recognize you're already subsidizing their emergency healthcare and why our "for profit healthcare", is failing us and especially where your tax money is being stolen.
It ain't poor people.

 

[X.Onasis]

Over 40 million Americans not having health insurance is okay?

And still the rate per person in the US is nearly THREE times the cost in Japan?

Yet you claim it can't be done and Democrats are the party of hate?

Republican are pinheads to allow your Congress to cut back healthcare, cripple the Affordable Care Act, and give millionaires a tax cut to cut $800 billion from necessary services.

Un-fucking-believable. It is you who will be stewing in your own ignorance and hate.

The obamacare....was designed to crash the system...which it is doing right now......and we have two states that have run the numbers......single payer would consume their entire state budgets......

And, twit.......the systems you want, are all going bankrupt.......

"Obamacare" is not working as well as it could because Republicans have sabotaged it in many ways and are continuing to do so.
It's also very likely you don't know the Republicans added over 160 amendments to the Senate version of the ACA before they voted against it en mass, and now insist Democrats deserve to be shut out even of debate over their "replace" bill.

Am I right?

 

[airplanemechanic]

Over 40 million Americans not having health insurance is okay?

And 40 million Americans having health insurance they can't afford to use is ok?

I guess health insurance on paper only beats none at all in a liberals mind. Damn the 6000 and 12000 dollar deductibles for a family of 4. They have health insurance by golly......

 

[MACAULAY]

Just another chapter in the Case of the Productive People v. the Porch Sitters.

The Porch Sitters think everybody except them are Rich.

Jeff Bazos is Rich. The Hollywood Goofballs are Rich. The Wall Street Bloodsuckers & Inside Traders are Rich. And most of all that Group are Democrats.

The Porch Sitters never account for the hard working people in the Heartland who are not rich; who get up every day and go put up with the stress of a boss and a job, often one they don't like...but they have kids, a family...and they don't care for the Government to have to take care of them. Its an old fashioned notion, but they want to take care of their families themselves...and can hardly do so for the Damn Taxes, especially if they are Self-Employed.

Fuck Vermont. Fuck California...which has been invaded by Mexico. Fuck all the Rotting Cities in the North filled with Porch Sitters. In short, Fuck the Socialists. This is America. Lets get some people off their ass...off the Tax Payer Tit.

We are a generally wealthy people in this country and some are doing very well and partly because of what all of us are paying for. Not everyone has a good job making over $200,000 a year and those are the "wealthy" who are getting the 3.8% tax break on their investment income that will amount to 80 billion a year that's likely to be removed from medicaid, medicare and subsidized insurance for the elderly, poor, sick and disabled, and even underemployed that you disparage.

Fuck you for being so stupid not to recognize you're already subsidizing their emergency healthcare and why our "for profit healthcare", is failing us and especially where your tax money is being stolen.
It ain't poor people.

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I never made $200,000 and I don't have any investment income, because I spent all I could earn getting all of my children a college education and paying taxes. But, I don't begrudge those who can make investments getting a break on the return it makes them....because 1) It is money they have already paid taxes on once, and 2) its helps create jobs for anyone willing to get off the Porch.

And, at least the Porch Sitters have to wait for about 8 hours in the Emergency Room before they get to them. Its about the only time they are disadvantaged to people like me who takes care of myself and family. They sit stress free on the porch, maybe not quite as nice a mine...and my car is probably a little newer...but I bust my ass 9 or 10 hours a day and as everyone does who works...we endure hard asses for our bosses or our clients.

Fuck You for being a Bolshevik in America....don't you see what you Porch Sitters ultimately do to the Societies you are parasites on.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anyone who thinks national health care, which will reduce the expenditures out our pockets, is Bolshevism is a chump. Period.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

You already lost this argument in CDZ - Japan has a better national health care than us: why?. Your article on Japan is six years old and its health care system is called the marvel of the year.

What do ya wanna bet Japan doesnt have the problems we have with dead beats and immigrants.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Not to mention they don't have the population we do. We have almost 3 times the population they do.

Apples to torque wrenches comparison.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So no one is complaining it is socialism.

That's good, because it is not.