CDZ We Can't Be Sure Where Covid19 First Infected Humans, But We Can Be Sure About Some Things

Chinese were developing and just made the mistake of releasing by accident instead of when they wanted to do it.
I think they released it exactly when they wanted to with the aid of China Joey. It accomplished exactly what they wanted it to accomplish. It took Trump down. Trashed the US economy and lowered the educational level of the country by one full year (that is a huge loss). Meanwhile the democrats choreographed the protests, impeachments and fraudulent election and voila', China has taken over top position on the world power chart and never fired a shot. And it ain't over yet.

I don't think the Dems are smart enough to go to that length.

Now mucking with some elections I can believe.
The democrats definitely didn't do it--they just moved when Xi pulled the strings. The CCP thinks long term and once focused, they don't deviate.

If it did come from the lab, I think the accidental release theory is more believable. If they were going to use it strategically and intentionally it would have spread from somewhere else, and it would have been coupled with either an attempt to bomb Taiwan into submission, settle their border dispute with India, or move into the Spratly Islands with a sizable naval and occupation force.
I think the India border, Hong Kong, Taiwan, S. China Sea islands etc. are distractions and small potatoes when compared to being the #1 super power in the world (actually the only) The US, Russia and Europe are already done.

I disagree on the Taiwan thing. China's hegemony desires are far more local than one would think. Middle Kingdom complex, where anything outside their ethnic borders is considered beneath them still runs deep in the Chinese leadership, communist or otherwise.

To them Taiwan is a great big thorn in their paw, and always will be.
 
On Tuesday, it was clear that the “fact sheet” behind recent claims that COVID-19 originated in a Wuhan lab could not be trusted, and that, truthfully, we still don’t know the precise origin of the virus. We know it has ancestors among a pool of coronavirus that circulates in horseshoe bats and may have reached humans by way of pangolins as an intermediary host. But where the virus achieved the structure we know as SARS-CoV-2, including the ability to spread infection easily from human to human, remains unknown.

But while the scientists can’t eliminate the possibility that the first case of SARS-CoV-2 escaped a facility in the body of a researcher, they are definitive in saying that the features of the virus all but rule out the possibility that the virus was developed “in culture.” The changes between the virus and the wild viruses “argues against culture-based scenarios.” Instead, the features of the virus “suggest the involvement of an immune system.” SARS-CoV-2 evolved within living animals, almost certainly in the wild.

So… once again, could the virus that causes SARS-CoV-2 have been introduced to the population of Wuhan by laboratory error at the virology institute in that city? Yes, though there remains no evidence that this is the case. Could the virus have been in some sense built at that lab by combining features of bat and pangolin viruses in some kind of “gain-of-function” research? No. Almost certainly not.


they are definitive in saying that the features of the virus all but rule out the possibility that the virus was developed “in culture.” The changes between the virus and the wild viruses “argues against culture-based scenarios.” Instead, the features of the virus “suggest the involvement of an immune system.”

From everything i've heard or read so far, this statement is the most telling. A purposely developed, weaponized virus developed in culture, has a very definitive signature, that can be seen and tested. The features of the virus that have been the most infectious, have had immune system involvement. This suggests the virus learned from a immune system how to escape and replicate to become so infectious, and could very well have been an animal immune system first, before jumping to humans. Which would indicate wild virus, not laboratory cultured virus. And as suggested could have been introduced by human error in Wuhan by a lab technician, though this has yet to be confirmed. Biden made the correct decision to have intelligence investigate.
So the scientists in Wuhan, attached to the CCP choker, are going going to tell the truth?

So Daily Kooks is ever going to tell any truth, that depicts the Murican left in even the most slight skeptical light?

I don't think so.

Likewise, it is becoming very clear that St. Fauci has been lying out his munchkin ass.

This thread is GIGO.
 
On Tuesday, it was clear that the “fact sheet” behind recent claims that COVID-19 originated in a Wuhan lab could not be trusted, and that, truthfully, we still don’t know the precise origin of the virus. We know it has ancestors among a pool of coronavirus that circulates in horseshoe bats and may have reached humans by way of pangolins as an intermediary host. But where the virus achieved the structure we know as SARS-CoV-2, including the ability to spread infection easily from human to human, remains unknown.

But while the scientists can’t eliminate the possibility that the first case of SARS-CoV-2 escaped a facility in the body of a researcher, they are definitive in saying that the features of the virus all but rule out the possibility that the virus was developed “in culture.” The changes between the virus and the wild viruses “argues against culture-based scenarios.” Instead, the features of the virus “suggest the involvement of an immune system.” SARS-CoV-2 evolved within living animals, almost certainly in the wild.

So… once again, could the virus that causes SARS-CoV-2 have been introduced to the population of Wuhan by laboratory error at the virology institute in that city? Yes, though there remains no evidence that this is the case. Could the virus have been in some sense built at that lab by combining features of bat and pangolin viruses in some kind of “gain-of-function” research? No. Almost certainly not.


they are definitive in saying that the features of the virus all but rule out the possibility that the virus was developed “in culture.” The changes between the virus and the wild viruses “argues against culture-based scenarios.” Instead, the features of the virus “suggest the involvement of an immune system.”

From everything i've heard or read so far, this statement is the most telling. A purposely developed, weaponized virus developed in culture, has a very definitive signature, that can be seen and tested. The features of the virus that have been the most infectious, have had immune system involvement. This suggests the virus learned from a immune system how to escape and replicate to become so infectious, and could very well have been an animal immune system first, before jumping to humans. Which would indicate wild virus, not laboratory cultured virus. And as suggested could have been introduced by human error in Wuhan by a lab technician, though this has yet to be confirmed. Biden made the correct decision to have intelligence investigate.
The Green New Deal Is a Dead Man's Hand

The crony virus has been around for thousands of years; that's why the Chinese are immune to it except for those in nursing homes, who have lost most of the immunities they were born with.

Viruses can only survive in "Clean Air," environments that are below 1919 levels of auto emissions. That's what stopped SARS and all other viruses from spreading worldwide. The Globalist Leviathan's Lockdown, which reduced "pollution," murdered 2.5 million people.
 
You don't know, I don't know, people are picking virus origins based on there political view point not on science.
Science Is Mind Candy for Academic Eunuchs

Use common sense, not Commie Science. You meet the New Age's politicized scientists halfway if you don't realize that "pollution" (a dishonest word taken from pagan superstition) is antiseptic. Their biased terms lead even their opponents into a trap that blocks any access to independent thought, where the truth is hidden from us by these useless and bitter nerds that escape the hostile real world by traipsing self-indulgent wanderings through scientific studies. The real goal of these pathetic social misfits is to feel like action heroes out to save the world by controlling 24/7 those who socially rejected their weird personalities and behavior.
 
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they are definitive in saying that the features of the virus all but rule out the possibility that the virus was developed “in culture.”
China apologists will make any outrageous claim to avoid blaming the CCP

But we are not buying your bs
 
A purposely developed, weaponized virus developed in culture

If someone were going to develop a weaponized disease ... they should probably make it more deadly than the common cold.

On the other hand, all that was needed to panic the entire planet and destroy the global economy was a common cold ... so, maybe they knew what they were doing.
 
OP should realize that there is no evidence of deliberate, intentional manipulation of the virus to increase affinity to human ACE2 receptors. The lysine at position 484 of the C-19 RBD remains a lysine in the wild-type virus. Further, SARS-CoV-2 can be transmitted by houseflies. What does this fact do to your lab-escape conspiracy theory?
 
OP should realize that there is no evidence of deliberate, intentional manipulation of the virus to increase affinity to human ACE2 receptors. The lysine at position 484 of the C-19 RBD remains a lysine in the wild-type virus. Further, SARS-CoV-2 can be transmitted by houseflies. What does this fact do to your lab-escape conspiracy theory?
Where are your credentials Dr. badger. LOL. I get it now, you're the science that everyone is following. Piss off.
 
OP should realize that there is no evidence of deliberate, intentional manipulation of the virus to increase affinity to human ACE2 receptors. The lysine at position 484 of the C-19 RBD remains a lysine in the wild-type virus. Further, SARS-CoV-2 can be transmitted by houseflies. What does this fact do to your lab-escape conspiracy theory?
It’s about who it kills.
 
On Tuesday, it was clear that the “fact sheet” behind recent claims that COVID-19 originated in a Wuhan lab could not be trusted, and that, truthfully, we still don’t know the precise origin of the virus. We know it has ancestors among a pool of coronavirus that circulates in horseshoe bats and may have reached humans by way of pangolins as an intermediary host. But where the virus achieved the structure we know as SARS-CoV-2, including the ability to spread infection easily from human to human, remains unknown.

But while the scientists can’t eliminate the possibility that the first case of SARS-CoV-2 escaped a facility in the body of a researcher, they are definitive in saying that the features of the virus all but rule out the possibility that the virus was developed “in culture.” The changes between the virus and the wild viruses “argues against culture-based scenarios.” Instead, the features of the virus “suggest the involvement of an immune system.” SARS-CoV-2 evolved within living animals, almost certainly in the wild.

So… once again, could the virus that causes SARS-CoV-2 have been introduced to the population of Wuhan by laboratory error at the virology institute in that city? Yes, though there remains no evidence that this is the case. Could the virus have been in some sense built at that lab by combining features of bat and pangolin viruses in some kind of “gain-of-function” research? No. Almost certainly not.


they are definitive in saying that the features of the virus all but rule out the possibility that the virus was developed “in culture.” The changes between the virus and the wild viruses “argues against culture-based scenarios.” Instead, the features of the virus “suggest the involvement of an immune system.”

From everything i've heard or read so far, this statement is the most telling. A purposely developed, weaponized virus developed in culture, has a very definitive signature, that can be seen and tested. The features of the virus that have been the most infectious, have had immune system involvement. This suggests the virus learned from a immune system how to escape and replicate to become so infectious, and could very well have been an animal immune system first, before jumping to humans. Which would indicate wild virus, not laboratory cultured virus. And as suggested could have been introduced by human error in Wuhan by a lab technician, though this has yet to be confirmed. Biden made the correct decision to have intelligence investigate.

We know it has ancestors among a pool of coronavirus that circulates in horseshoe bats and may have reached humans by way of pangolins as an intermediary host.

Where's your proof of that?
What do you know that the WHO don't know?
 
On Tuesday, it was clear that the “fact sheet” behind recent claims that COVID-19 originated in a Wuhan lab could not be trusted, and that, truthfully, we still don’t know the precise origin of the virus. We know it has ancestors among a pool of coronavirus that circulates in horseshoe bats and may have reached humans by way of pangolins as an intermediary host. But where the virus achieved the structure we know as SARS-CoV-2, including the ability to spread infection easily from human to human, remains unknown.

But while the scientists can’t eliminate the possibility that the first case of SARS-CoV-2 escaped a facility in the body of a researcher, they are definitive in saying that the features of the virus all but rule out the possibility that the virus was developed “in culture.” The changes between the virus and the wild viruses “argues against culture-based scenarios.” Instead, the features of the virus “suggest the involvement of an immune system.” SARS-CoV-2 evolved within living animals, almost certainly in the wild.

So… once again, could the virus that causes SARS-CoV-2 have been introduced to the population of Wuhan by laboratory error at the virology institute in that city? Yes, though there remains no evidence that this is the case. Could the virus have been in some sense built at that lab by combining features of bat and pangolin viruses in some kind of “gain-of-function” research? No. Almost certainly not.


they are definitive in saying that the features of the virus all but rule out the possibility that the virus was developed “in culture.” The changes between the virus and the wild viruses “argues against culture-based scenarios.” Instead, the features of the virus “suggest the involvement of an immune system.”

From everything i've heard or read so far, this statement is the most telling. A purposely developed, weaponized virus developed in culture, has a very definitive signature, that can be seen and tested. The features of the virus that have been the most infectious, have had immune system involvement. This suggests the virus learned from a immune system how to escape and replicate to become so infectious, and could very well have been an animal immune system first, before jumping to humans. Which would indicate wild virus, not laboratory cultured virus. And as suggested could have been introduced by human error in Wuhan by a lab technician, though this has yet to be confirmed. Biden made the correct decision to have intelligence investigate.
The left is desperate to avoid blaming china no matter what evidence there is pointing to china
 
The US, Russia and Europe are already done.
Only if we listen to the surrender monkeys

China has a lot of economic influence in western countries with elected political leaders

And the lure of trade with china is still strong despite evidence that china is a thief and a liar

But the chicoms have a lot of problems internally and are not the rock solid favorite that libs think they are
 

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