We must destroy the Taliban

[Kruska]

Al Qaeda started in 1979-1980. Taliban was founded in 1994.

Afghan religious groups, political and tribal groups opposed the Afghan government - and tried to topple it. Therefore The SU send in it's military to support the Afghan government.
Al Qaeda was a religious fanatic group (recruiting non Afghans) that wanted to wage war on ALL infidels (as such Communist Russians in the first place) and onto all those Muslims not adhering to the Saudi-Wahhābī belief. Due to their Saudi $$ connections they acted as a logistic hub for all radical Islamist groups in Afghanistan.

As such radical Muslim Afghan factions (later united and calling themselves Taliban) - had already formed long before Qsama bin Laden even arrived in Afghanistan.

The USA (CIA) then had nothing better to do but to get involved with Osama bin Laden directly - taking advantage of his logistic hub + training and Saudi $$.

Upon the SU retreating - the radical Muslim factions opposed other Afghan Muslim tribes (dozens of private millitias who couldn't give a shit about Islam) and especially those Afghan groups and tribes harboring Western ideas/ideals.
These radical-united Muslims then called themselves Taliban from the early 90's onward - as opposed to those collectively named Northern Alliance. (incl.all these tribal and robber militias).

Upon the SU having left Afghanistan, Al Quida moved it's HQ to Sudan (1990) - and started waging war/terrorist acts foremost against the USA - whilst waiting out as to who will take over Afghanistan
With their old buddies (several independent ultra radical factions, now under the umbrella organization Taliban) being in control of most of the country, they returned in order to ensure that the Saudi-Wahhābī belief, would take hold of Afghanistan. as such they had -until today- friends/supporters and also resolute enemies amongst the Taliban factions.

In the meantime those ultra radical Muslim Afghan factions under the Taliban umbrella have almost entirely sided with ISIS - propagating rather an Islamic caliphate - then just promoting individual countries. Which in turn sets them against traditional Afghan radical factions - aka the present day Taliban.

 

[surada]

Afghan religious groups, political and tribal groups opposed the Afghan government - and tried to topple it. Therefore The SU send in it's military to support the Afghan government.
Al Qaeda was a religious fanatic group (recruiting non Afghans) that wanted to wage war on ALL infidels (as such Communist Russians in the first place) and onto all those Muslims not adhering to the Saudi-Wahhābī belief. Due to their Saudi $$ connections they acted as a logistic hub for all radical Islamist groups in Afghanistan.

As such radical Muslim Afghan factions (later united and calling themselves Taliban) - had already formed long before Qsama bin Laden even arrived in Afghanistan.

The USA (CIA) then had nothing better to do but to get involved with Osama bin Laden directly - taking advantage of his logistic hub + training and Saudi $$.

Upon the SU retreating - the radical Muslim factions opposed other Afghan Muslim tribes (dozens of private millitias who couldn't give a shit about Islam) and especially those Afghan groups and tribes harboring Western ideas/ideals.
These radical-united Muslims then called themselves Taliban from the early 90's onward - as opposed to those collectively named Northern Alliance. (incl.all these tribal and robber militias).

Upon the SU having left Afghanistan, Al Quida moved it's HQ to Sudan (1990) - and started waging war/terrorist acts foremost against the USA - whilst waiting out as to who will take over Afghanistan
With their old buddies (several independent ultra radical factions, now under the umbrella organization Taliban) being in control of most of the country, they returned in order to ensure that the Saudi-Wahhābī belief, would take hold of Afghanistan. as such they had -until today- friends/supporters and also resolute enemies amongst the Taliban factions.

In the meantime those ultra radical Muslim Afghan factions under the Taliban umbrella have almost entirely sided with ISIS - propagating rather an Islamic caliphate - then just promoting individual countries. Which in turn sets them against traditional Afghan radical factions - aka the present day Taliban.

Afghani communists overthrew the monarchy in 1974. Al Qaeda was never a large group. They were building roads and such after the Soviets arrived in 1979.

The Saudis opposed Communism. You don't know anything about Wahhabis. Al Qaeda was following Sayid Qubt and Hassan Al Banna (Muslim Brotherhood) which has been banned in Arabia since King Faisel in the early 1970s.

Have you ever heard of Deobandi?

Al Qaeda did move to Sudan and Yemen. They are still the enemy of the Saudis.

 

[surada]

I didn't already tell you, don't insult the cows. The symbol of pusillanimity is a dog, cows are brave.

And most importantly, you are a fool, hippie amoeba. You've left out all the strategic and political aspects, and you're talking from a stupid blonde point of view, like "America shouldn't be sending soldiers there."

It is not obligatory to send someone from the USA at all. Let them arm the Northern Alliance, that will be enough. Let them cover them with missile strikes, no one will risk it.

It's a lie.


The Trumpists and the Left have betrayed America. They went over to the side of the bloody Hussein's party, and they help the Taliban. They lie to the Americans

You're 23 years old.. You know very little about anything.

 

[EMH]

The Taliban are all pederasts and pedophiles, they hate the Hazaras womеn because they are not as hairy and rude as the Pashtuns. Are you a pederast too?

W loves them, which is why he sided with Taliban against TNA.

Biden loves them, gave them $80 billion in new US weapons.

Care to explain that??

 

[Kruska]

Afghani communists

There never was such a thing as an Afghan communist - they were national socialist inspired Afghan's who wanted to tackle Afghanistan's inherent situation - via e.g. land reforms, women rights, etc.
Basically the same political program that Karzai tried to promote, and therefore destined to fail.

Al Qaeda was following Sayid Qubt ...

Al Qaeda didn't exist during Savid Oubt's times - he was already dead for 10 years before Osama even attended the university in Saudi Arabia - and read upon his thesis and books.
Osama was an ardent Wahhibi until his death - and as such was FULLY supported by the Saudis during his tenure in Afghanistan. (even received a hero's welcome by his Wahhabi countrymen)

There was no Al Qaida in Afghanistan during the war with the SU - only upon the SU retreat, Osama together foremost with Abdullah Azzam founded Al-Quida in 1989 to prepare for future holy wars. In the primary context of Wahhibi (Islamic reform movement - defying, and condemnation of all other sources of doctrine) and incorporating amongst other radical ideas the thesis of Savid Oub.

Upon the Saudi Kingdom allowing for US troops in regards to Saddam/Kuwait - he openly attacked the Saudi Royal family and started to defy Wahhibism (as being proclaimed and upheld by the Saudi Royal family) - accusing them of betraying Wahhibism and instead acting on behalf of the infidel USA's directives.
Then moving to Sudan - he was stripped of his Saudi citizenship in 1994 - and upon Sudan threatening to expel him he found refuge in 1996 with the radical elements within the Taliban in Afghanistan.

It is the hypocrisy of the Royal Saudi family - between Wahhibi doctrines and Western capitalism and society adaptions - that puts them on edge with all other true Wahhabi followers and non-Wahhabi Muslims incl. Al Qaida. Wahhabi is a total radical and ultra conservative form of Islam and as such fully explains Osama bin Laden's radical thoughts and ideology.

Are you a Saudi or Qatari?

 

[surada]

There never was such a thing as an Afghan communist - they were national socialist inspired Afghan's who wanted to tackle Afghanistan's inherent situation - via e.g. land reforms, women rights, etc.
Basically the same political program that Karzai tried to promote, and therefore destined to fail.

Al Qaeda didn't exist during Savid Oubt's times - he was already dead for 10 years before Osama even attended the university in Saudi Arabia - and read upon his thesis and books.
Osama was an ardent Wahhibi until his death - and as such was FULLY supported by the Saudis during his tenure in Afghanistan. (even received a hero's welcome by his Wahhabi countrymen)

There was no Al Qaida in Afghanistan during the war with the SU - only upon the SU retreat, Osama together foremost with Abdullah Azzam founded Al-Quida in 1989 to prepare for future holy wars. In the primary context of Wahhibi (Islamic reform movement - defying, and condemnation of all other sources of doctrine) and incorporating amongst other radical ideas the thesis of Savid Oub.

Upon the Saudi Kingdom allowing for US troops in regards to Saddam/Kuwait - he openly attacked the Saudi Royal family and started to defy Wahhibism (as being proclaimed and upheld by the Saudi Royal family) - accusing them of betraying Wahhibism and instead acting on behalf of the infidel USA's directives.
Then moving to Sudan - he was stripped of his Saudi citizenship in 1994 - and upon Sudan threatening to expel him he found refuge in 1996 with the radical elements within the Taliban in Afghanistan.

It is the hypocrisy of the Royal Saudi family - between Wahhibi doctrines and Western capitalism and society adaptions - that puts them on edge with all other true Wahhabi followers and non-Wahhabi Muslims incl. Al Qaida. Wahhabi is a total radical and ultra conservative form of Islam and as such fully explains Osama bin Laden's radical thoughts and ideology.

Are you a Saudi or Qatari?

American. Osama was not Wahhabi. He was Muslim Brotherhood.

Wahhabis aren't radical. I lived there 20 years. Wahhab simplified Islam and eliminated all the innovations that crept in during the Ottoman Empire.

Sayid Qubt's influence continued to be a problem even after his death... Even after King Faisel expelled the Egyptian university professors who betrayed their agreement with King Ibn Saud.

 

[Kruska]

Wahhabis aren't radical. I lived there 20 years. ....

Thought so - since you try to deflect from the factual Wahhabi radical&conservative religious issues - and it's resulting complications with the neighboring Islam countries.
Osama was a Wahhabi fundamentalist - who included additionally radical dogmas form other Islam fundamentalists - Since the Saudi Royals did not live up to the "pure" teachings of Wahhabi dogmas/doctrines. There are countless examples of Wahhabi religious scholars and Imams that had and still are confronting the Saudi royals in that matter.

According to "pure" Wahhabi doctrines - believers wouldn't even be allowed to own a phone - not to mention cars - or a whirlpool or any other infidel achievements.
Back to camels and living in tents - something the vast majority of Saudi's and Qatari's for unknown reasons seem to dislike.

And I am not an American.

 

[surada]

Thought so - since you try to deflect from the factual Wahhabi radical&conservative religious issues - and it's resulting complications with the neighboring Islam countries.
Osama was a Wahhabi fundamentalist - who included additionally radical dogmas form other Islam fundamentalists - Since the Saudi Royals did not live up to the "pure" teachings of Wahhabi dogmas/doctrines. There are countless examples of Wahhabi religious scholars and Imams that had and still are confronting the Saudi royals in that matter.

According to "pure" Wahhabi doctrines - believers wouldn't even be allowed to own a phone - not to mention cars - or a whirlpool or any other infidel achievements.
Back to camels and living in tents - something the vast majority of Saudi's and Qatari's for unknown reasons seem to dislike.

And I am not an American.

Lol. Nope. OBL was a follower of Muslim Brotherhood. I know many of the Saudi leadership.. specifically the Suderi Seven. You don't know anything about Wahhabis or Saudi Arabia. When were you last there?

 

[Kruska]

Lol. Nope. OBL was a follower of Muslim Brotherhood. I know many of the Saudi leadership.. specifically the Suderi Seven. You don't know anything about Wahhabis or Saudi Arabia. When were you last there?

Never been to Saudi Arabia - but Qatar and numerous other Middle-East countries. Also I have met numerous Saudi's and plenty of other nationalities having lived and worked in Saudi-Arabia for decades. If you don't want to live up to pure Wahhabi beliefs - that is up to you - at least one Osama bin Laden less. But your attempt to deflect from "true" Wahhabi teachings doesn't work - sorry.

I have been involved in numerous military related issues with Qatar and other Gulf-nations. I know very well as to the circumstances in the region.

 

[surada]

Never been to Saudi Arabia - but Qatar and numerous other Middle-East countries. Also I have met numerous Saudi's and plenty of other nationalties having lived and worked in Saudi-Arabia for decades. If you don't want to live up to pure Wahhabi beliefs - that is up to you - at least one Osama bin Laden less. But your attempt to deflect from "true" Wahhabi teachings doesn't work - sorry.

I love the Saudis.. they are great at pulling your leg. You don't know anything about Wahhabis teachings. Start with the Wahhabi Myth.

 

[Kruska]

I love the Saudis.. they are great at pulling your leg. You don't know anything about Wahhabis teachings. Start with the Wahhabi Myth.

As long as religion stay's out - more or less all people are nice. Can't say that for those following e.g. Wahhabi teachings or some radical Christian teachings.

Teachings such as e.g. Takfir or Jihad being obligatory against unbelievers and non- Wahhabi Muslims - is enough to put me off - not to mention all these other stone-age teachings - obviously you don't know about Wahhabi teachings or you simply choose to ignore them.

 

[surada]

As long as religion stay's out - more or less all people are nice. Can't say that for those following e.g. Wahhabi teachings or some radical Christian teachings.

How many years did you live in Qatar?

Wahhabis value a peaceful, civil society.

 

[Kruska]

How many years did you live in Qatar?

Been in and out countless times, in several Gulf states, Turkey and Israel - ranging from a week to four month.

Wahhabis value a peaceful, civil society.

Only according to their propagated Wahhabi beliefs - which are radical and fundamentalist interpretations of Islam.

 

[surada]

Been in and out countless times, in several Gulf states, Turkey and Israel - ranging from a week to four month.

Only according to their propagated Wahhabi beliefs - which are radical and fundamentalist interpretations of Islam.

Months? LoL

 

[Dadoalex]

The Taliban are threatening the US, there is no doubt that the Taliban created the al-Qaeda that claimed responsibility for the 9/11 attack because they blew up the Rebel leader Massoud who fought against the Taliban the day before.

In addition, they destroy the peoples of the Northern Alliance, steal their children for the dirty ritual of Bacha bazi. They staged a genocide against the Khazarians.

If the Taliban is not destroyed, they will come to the USA.

Part of the Taliban in Pashtun territory can be destroyed by massive missile strikes. The Pashtuns are to blame for allowing the Taliban to take over.

If by "Taliban" you mean the GOP, I agree.

BUT

Isn't it time we let nations decide for themselves who will rule.

Our Declaration says it is the right of "the people" to decide, not the US.

 

[Kruska]

Months? LoL

Yes and I work and live and grew up in another Muslim country for almost 25 years - so you got absolute nothing to laugh about - aside from your own ignorance in regards to Wahhabi teachings.
Most interesting about Saudi's is that they never refer to themselves a Wahhabis - but simply as Muslims. Covering the fact that they condemn all other beliefs incl. non-Wahhabi Muslims, and the major booklets taught in all schools are the books of Muhammed bin Abd al-Wahhab. 18th century!!!

Those Taliban destroying Buddha statues in Afghanistan - ISIS destroying millennia of cultural artifacts in Iraq - that is all Wahhabi teaching. (images not being acceptable neither are tombstones or statues).

Hadif, for ninth graders in Saudi schools being taught:
"The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that."

You can't fool me - mate. Osama bin Laden was a 100% Wahhabi.

 

[surada]

Yes and I work and live and grew up in another Muslim country for almost 25 years - so you got absolute nothing to laugh about - aside from your own ignorance in regards to Wahhabi teachings.
Most interesting about Saudi's is that they never refer to themselves a Wahhabis - but simply as Muslims. Covering the fact that they condemn all other beliefs incl. non-Wahhabi Muslims, and the major booklets taught in all schools are the books of Muhammed bin Abd al-Wahhab. 18th century!!!

Those Taliban destroying Buddha statues in Afghanistan - ISIS destroying millennia of cultural artifacts in Iraq - that is all Wahhabi teaching. (images not being acceptable neither are tombstones or statues).

Hadif, for ninth graders in Saudi schools being taught:
"The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that."

You can't fool me - mate. Osama bin Laden was a 100% Wahhabi.

Nope. OBL was Deobandi and Muslim Brotherhood.. so are the Taliban who are not welcome in Saudi Arabia.