"We need to redistribute wealth among Americans" WTF...why does this always sound so retarded to me?

[DOTR]

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

It has gotten out of hand to a great extent...but only so far as marxism has been introduced. Your working class hero spiel sounded good in the mouth of Martin Sheen in Wall Street. But it is a Hollywood oversimplification. Trading is necessary for production. All the great capitalist economies (read the economies which produced wealth for their citizens) began as trading economies. I cant put money in stocks without somebody taking a commission and I cant sell the stocks to enjoy the fruits of thrift without a trader. No crime there.
In your brainwashing you dont realize that every case of "churning" or ill gotten trading wealth the federal government is involved somewhere. They are taking arbitrage in situation creating by crazy taxes or subsidies. They did it during the housing crisis and they went crazy with derivatives...while freddie mac and fannie mae backed them with taxpayer money.
When George Bush warned that giving loans to people with no jobs was sorta of hinky (!) Barney frank said he was a racist who didnt want black people to own homes. Frank and pelosi's take in early 2007 on the possibility of a housing crisis and financial meltdown?

"Too many Republicans have a sky is falling mentality"



Not traders. Not paper wealth. Rent seekers!

 

[Aries]

When my two options were a literal rapist and the wife of a cheater... Yea, I chose the latter.

So you have no morals

Lol either it's you with no morals or poor reading comprehension.... Donnie is a women hater. He's a woman user. He's a woman abuser. He is a rapist. He has admitted himself he forces himself on women he doesn't even know. Don the con is a criminal, a rapist, and a self serving pig. I think Satan could run a close race with him and I would be deciding my vote at the last minute.


Sorry I never bought into the whole Hillary's a reptile thing....

He's a criminal? Has he ever been officially charged with such a thing?

I know why you don't think Hillary is.

But he has admitted to breaking the law on tape. Soooo keep playing dumb if you'd wish just a warning though, not a cute look.

That's not what YOU said. You labeled him as a "literal rapist"?

Have there been charges against him? If you're going to make such claims, you should be able to back it up. Can you or are you going to keep being dumb. It's not an act with you. It's literally the best you can do.

Donnie told us what he does to women. You just don't care, deplorable.

 

[Conservative65]

So you have no morals

Lol either it's you with no morals or poor reading comprehension.... Donnie is a women hater. He's a woman user. He's a woman abuser. He is a rapist. He has admitted himself he forces himself on women he doesn't even know. Don the con is a criminal, a rapist, and a self serving pig. I think Satan could run a close race with him and I would be deciding my vote at the last minute.


Sorry I never bought into the whole Hillary's a reptile thing....

He's a criminal? Has he ever been officially charged with such a thing?

I know why you don't think Hillary is.

But he has admitted to breaking the law on tape. Soooo keep playing dumb if you'd wish just a warning though, not a cute look.

That's not what YOU said. You labeled him as a "literal rapist"?

Have there been charges against him? If you're going to make such claims, you should be able to back it up. Can you or are you going to keep being dumb. It's not an act with you. It's literally the best you can do.

Donnie told us what he does to women. You just don't care, deplorable.

Bill Clinton's supporters said what someone does privately isn't anyone else's business. Is it supposed to be that way now, hypocrite?

If he's a "literal rapist" why haven't charges been filed.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Then explain to me why Americans working 40 hours a week can barely make rent.

This is not the economy of the past. People are working extremely hard, and STILL can't make ends meet.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/
     

 

[DOTR]

Donnie told us what he does to women. You just don't care, deplorable.

I dont care either.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I always find this narrative fascinating....The top 1% of wage earners already pay 45% of all income tax paid and 45% of American's pay no income tax at all.
That said, how is the notion that our most productive positive contributors owe more manifested?
Why is it never said that we have too many bottom feeders stealing from the middle class and how does that not make more sense to sane rational folks? Take the $100 billion we spend on illegal beaners every year...what if we diverted that cash alone and funneled it through the hands of the middle class and REAL Americans?

Well it is obvious wealth redistribution needs to take place of people to survive in the US all you have to do is look around and see how many are in poverty, struggling with work, only able to get part time jobs, turning to very dangerous jobs for work, or turning to crime to pay the bills.

Before I became a truck driver I worked in security and one thing became obvious to me that a lot of people who turn to crime do it because this is the only way they can make enough money to survive. If there were more redistribution of wealth or the government took care of people more the way it should we would have a lot less crime. They were often low skill workers who weren't very bright. A lot of high school dropouts.

A lot of low wage workers in order to survive also do things they aren't suppose to not out of choice, but that is the only way they can supplement their income enough so they can survive. In a low income area I worked I knew a lot of fast food workers also would sell drugs or illegally collect money for kids they didn't really have just so they could survive, they would of been homeless otherwise. You could say these were bad people, or you could look at it from the angle of the structure of our American society and blame the government for why they are selling drugs and turning to crime. This is the consequence of Capitalism. If the government gave them the job they need to survive or the money they needed to survive do you think they would turn to crime? I don't think so. It's like that movie "Trading Places". It's easy for someone with a nice job and can pay the bills to look down on those people and call them bad people, but you know what that is easy to say if you never were homeless and struggled. I have been homeless before living in a cardboard box on the street and I have a masters degree.

The nice thing about truck driving is it saves a lot of people from turning to a bad lifestyle, truck driving saved me. I met people who were low wage workers before, drug dealers before, who served prison time before, who are now successful truck driver making 40k+ a year. Being a truck driver wasn't a choice I wanted, but driving and living out of a truck is better than turning to other more dangerous options.

Capitalism is to blame for all the drugs and crime and people having low wage jobs that won't pay the bills in my opinion. We need to put the axe to capitalism and replace it instead with socialism and have the government take over businesses and have more control over them.

You did a fine job articulating your point but let me tell you how your story reads for successful, productive people.
"I made some poor life decisions and even worse career choices, I NEED Government to hold my hand and pave a pathway for me. Further, I deserve some of others people's wealth...just because they made sound decisions, key career choices and stayed ambitious should not entitle them to all of their own cash."
Make no mistake about it...essentially what you want is to penalized the guy for doing well and reward the guy for doing poorly.
That never, ever works...not in sports, not in business, not in education....IT NEVER WORKS!
Now bear in mind...it's only the people at or near the bottom that share your sentiment...surely you don't view that as coincidence?

 

[rightwinger]

I always find this narrative fascinating....The top 1% of wage earners already pay 45% of all income tax paid and 45% of American's pay no income tax at all.
That said, how is the notion that our most productive positive contributors owe more manifested?
Why is it never said that we have too many bottom feeders stealing from the middle class and how does that not make more sense to sane rational folks? Take the $100 billion we spend on illegal beaners every year...what if we diverted that cash alone and funneled it through the hands of the middle class and REAL Americans?

Well it is obvious wealth redistribution needs to take place of people to survive in the US all you have to do is look around and see how many are in poverty, struggling with work, only able to get part time jobs, turning to very dangerous jobs for work, or turning to crime to pay the bills.

Before I became a truck driver I worked in security and one thing became obvious to me that a lot of people who turn to crime do it because this is the only way they can make enough money to survive. If there were more redistribution of wealth or the government took care of people more the way it should we would have a lot less crime. They were often low skill workers who weren't very bright. A lot of high school dropouts.

A lot of low wage workers in order to survive also do things they aren't suppose to not out of choice, but that is the only way they can supplement their income enough so they can survive. In a low income area I worked I knew a lot of fast food workers also would sell drugs or illegally collect money for kids they didn't really have just so they could survive, they would of been homeless otherwise. You could say these were bad people, or you could look at it from the angle of the structure of our American society and blame the government for why they are selling drugs and turning to crime. This is the consequence of Capitalism. If the government gave them the job they need to survive or the money they needed to survive do you think they would turn to crime? I don't think so. It's like that movie "Trading Places". It's easy for someone with a nice job and can pay the bills to look down on those people and call them bad people, but you know what that is easy to say if you never were homeless and struggled. I have been homeless before living in a cardboard box on the street and I have a masters degree.

The nice thing about truck driving is it saves a lot of people from turning to a bad lifestyle, truck driving saved me. I met people who were low wage workers before, drug dealers before, who served prison time before, who are now successful truck driver making 40k+ a year. Being a truck driver wasn't a choice I wanted, but driving and living out of a truck is better than turning to other more dangerous options.

Capitalism is to blame for all the drugs and crime and people having low wage jobs that won't pay the bills in my opinion. We need to put the axe to capitalism and replace it instead with socialism and have the government take over businesses and have more control over them.

You did a fine job articulating your point but let me tell you how your story reads for successful, productive people.
"I made some poor life decisions and even worse career choices, I NEED Government to hold my hand and pave a pathway for me. Further, I deserve some of others people's wealth...just because they made sound decisions, key career choices and stayed ambitious should not entitle them to all of their own cash."
Make no mistake about it...essentially what you want is to penalized the guy for doing well and reward the guy for doing poorly.
That never, ever works...not in sports, not in business, not in education....IT NEVER WORKS!
Now bear in mind...it's only the people at or near the bottom that share your sentiment...surely you don't view that as coincidence?

You think wealthy people don't get government assistance?

They get more than anyone

 

[danielpalos]

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Then explain to me why Americans working 40 hours a week can barely make rent.

This is not the economy of the past. People are working extremely hard, and STILL can't make ends meet.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

 

[danielpalos]

I always find this narrative fascinating....The top 1% of wage earners already pay 45% of all income tax paid and 45% of American's pay no income tax at all.
That said, how is the notion that our most productive positive contributors owe more manifested?
Why is it never said that we have too many bottom feeders stealing from the middle class and how does that not make more sense to sane rational folks? Take the $100 billion we spend on illegal beaners every year...what if we diverted that cash alone and funneled it through the hands of the middle class and REAL Americans?

Well it is obvious wealth redistribution needs to take place of people to survive in the US all you have to do is look around and see how many are in poverty, struggling with work, only able to get part time jobs, turning to very dangerous jobs for work, or turning to crime to pay the bills.

Before I became a truck driver I worked in security and one thing became obvious to me that a lot of people who turn to crime do it because this is the only way they can make enough money to survive. If there were more redistribution of wealth or the government took care of people more the way it should we would have a lot less crime. They were often low skill workers who weren't very bright. A lot of high school dropouts.

A lot of low wage workers in order to survive also do things they aren't suppose to not out of choice, but that is the only way they can supplement their income enough so they can survive. In a low income area I worked I knew a lot of fast food workers also would sell drugs or illegally collect money for kids they didn't really have just so they could survive, they would of been homeless otherwise. You could say these were bad people, or you could look at it from the angle of the structure of our American society and blame the government for why they are selling drugs and turning to crime. This is the consequence of Capitalism. If the government gave them the job they need to survive or the money they needed to survive do you think they would turn to crime? I don't think so. It's like that movie "Trading Places". It's easy for someone with a nice job and can pay the bills to look down on those people and call them bad people, but you know what that is easy to say if you never were homeless and struggled. I have been homeless before living in a cardboard box on the street and I have a masters degree.

The nice thing about truck driving is it saves a lot of people from turning to a bad lifestyle, truck driving saved me. I met people who were low wage workers before, drug dealers before, who served prison time before, who are now successful truck driver making 40k+ a year. Being a truck driver wasn't a choice I wanted, but driving and living out of a truck is better than turning to other more dangerous options.

Capitalism is to blame for all the drugs and crime and people having low wage jobs that won't pay the bills in my opinion. We need to put the axe to capitalism and replace it instead with socialism and have the government take over businesses and have more control over them.

You did a fine job articulating your point but let me tell you how your story reads for successful, productive people.
"I made some poor life decisions and even worse career choices, I NEED Government to hold my hand and pave a pathway for me. Further, I deserve some of others people's wealth...just because they made sound decisions, key career choices and stayed ambitious should not entitle them to all of their own cash."
Make no mistake about it...essentially what you want is to penalized the guy for doing well and reward the guy for doing poorly.
That never, ever works...not in sports, not in business, not in education....IT NEVER WORKS!
Now bear in mind...it's only the people at or near the bottom that share your sentiment...surely you don't view that as coincidence?

H1b visas are not capitalism, but socialism.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I always find this narrative fascinating....The top 1% of wage earners already pay 45% of all income tax paid and 45% of American's pay no income tax at all.
That said, how is the notion that our most productive positive contributors owe more manifested?
Why is it never said that we have too many bottom feeders stealing from the middle class and how does that not make more sense to sane rational folks? Take the $100 billion we spend on illegal beaners every year...what if we diverted that cash alone and funneled it through the hands of the middle class and REAL Americans?

Well it is obvious wealth redistribution needs to take place of people to survive in the US all you have to do is look around and see how many are in poverty, struggling with work, only able to get part time jobs, turning to very dangerous jobs for work, or turning to crime to pay the bills.

Before I became a truck driver I worked in security and one thing became obvious to me that a lot of people who turn to crime do it because this is the only way they can make enough money to survive. If there were more redistribution of wealth or the government took care of people more the way it should we would have a lot less crime. They were often low skill workers who weren't very bright. A lot of high school dropouts.

A lot of low wage workers in order to survive also do things they aren't suppose to not out of choice, but that is the only way they can supplement their income enough so they can survive. In a low income area I worked I knew a lot of fast food workers also would sell drugs or illegally collect money for kids they didn't really have just so they could survive, they would of been homeless otherwise. You could say these were bad people, or you could look at it from the angle of the structure of our American society and blame the government for why they are selling drugs and turning to crime. This is the consequence of Capitalism. If the government gave them the job they need to survive or the money they needed to survive do you think they would turn to crime? I don't think so. It's like that movie "Trading Places". It's easy for someone with a nice job and can pay the bills to look down on those people and call them bad people, but you know what that is easy to say if you never were homeless and struggled. I have been homeless before living in a cardboard box on the street and I have a masters degree.

The nice thing about truck driving is it saves a lot of people from turning to a bad lifestyle, truck driving saved me. I met people who were low wage workers before, drug dealers before, who served prison time before, who are now successful truck driver making 40k+ a year. Being a truck driver wasn't a choice I wanted, but driving and living out of a truck is better than turning to other more dangerous options.

Capitalism is to blame for all the drugs and crime and people having low wage jobs that won't pay the bills in my opinion. We need to put the axe to capitalism and replace it instead with socialism and have the government take over businesses and have more control over them.

You did a fine job articulating your point but let me tell you how your story reads for successful, productive people.
"I made some poor life decisions and even worse career choices, I NEED Government to hold my hand and pave a pathway for me. Further, I deserve some of others people's wealth...just because they made sound decisions, key career choices and stayed ambitious should not entitle them to all of their own cash."
Make no mistake about it...essentially what you want is to penalized the guy for doing well and reward the guy for doing poorly.
That never, ever works...not in sports, not in business, not in education....IT NEVER WORKS!
Now bear in mind...it's only the people at or near the bottom that share your sentiment...surely you don't view that as coincidence?

You think wealthy people don't get government assistance?

They get more than anyone

How so?

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Then explain to me why Americans working 40 hours a week can barely make rent.

This is not the economy of the past. People are working extremely hard, and STILL can't make ends meet.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

I just posted all the numbers Danny...Why is how they earn their money relevant?

 

[rightwinger]

I always find this narrative fascinating....The top 1% of wage earners already pay 45% of all income tax paid and 45% of American's pay no income tax at all.
That said, how is the notion that our most productive positive contributors owe more manifested?
Why is it never said that we have too many bottom feeders stealing from the middle class and how does that not make more sense to sane rational folks? Take the $100 billion we spend on illegal beaners every year...what if we diverted that cash alone and funneled it through the hands of the middle class and REAL Americans?

Well it is obvious wealth redistribution needs to take place of people to survive in the US all you have to do is look around and see how many are in poverty, struggling with work, only able to get part time jobs, turning to very dangerous jobs for work, or turning to crime to pay the bills.

Before I became a truck driver I worked in security and one thing became obvious to me that a lot of people who turn to crime do it because this is the only way they can make enough money to survive. If there were more redistribution of wealth or the government took care of people more the way it should we would have a lot less crime. They were often low skill workers who weren't very bright. A lot of high school dropouts.

A lot of low wage workers in order to survive also do things they aren't suppose to not out of choice, but that is the only way they can supplement their income enough so they can survive. In a low income area I worked I knew a lot of fast food workers also would sell drugs or illegally collect money for kids they didn't really have just so they could survive, they would of been homeless otherwise. You could say these were bad people, or you could look at it from the angle of the structure of our American society and blame the government for why they are selling drugs and turning to crime. This is the consequence of Capitalism. If the government gave them the job they need to survive or the money they needed to survive do you think they would turn to crime? I don't think so. It's like that movie "Trading Places". It's easy for someone with a nice job and can pay the bills to look down on those people and call them bad people, but you know what that is easy to say if you never were homeless and struggled. I have been homeless before living in a cardboard box on the street and I have a masters degree.

The nice thing about truck driving is it saves a lot of people from turning to a bad lifestyle, truck driving saved me. I met people who were low wage workers before, drug dealers before, who served prison time before, who are now successful truck driver making 40k+ a year. Being a truck driver wasn't a choice I wanted, but driving and living out of a truck is better than turning to other more dangerous options.

Capitalism is to blame for all the drugs and crime and people having low wage jobs that won't pay the bills in my opinion. We need to put the axe to capitalism and replace it instead with socialism and have the government take over businesses and have more control over them.

You did a fine job articulating your point but let me tell you how your story reads for successful, productive people.
"I made some poor life decisions and even worse career choices, I NEED Government to hold my hand and pave a pathway for me. Further, I deserve some of others people's wealth...just because they made sound decisions, key career choices and stayed ambitious should not entitle them to all of their own cash."
Make no mistake about it...essentially what you want is to penalized the guy for doing well and reward the guy for doing poorly.
That never, ever works...not in sports, not in business, not in education....IT NEVER WORKS!
Now bear in mind...it's only the people at or near the bottom that share your sentiment...surely you don't view that as coincidence?

You think wealthy people don't get government assistance?

They get more than anyone

How so?

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Then explain to me why Americans working 40 hours a week can barely make rent.

This is not the economy of the past. People are working extremely hard, and STILL can't make ends meet.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

I just posted all the numbers Danny...Why is how they earn their money relevant?

How so?
The Golden Rule....He who has the gold makes the rules

Who protects the assets of the wealthy? Who ensures their global interests are protected? Who provides an educated workforce? Who provides infrastructure? Who provides tax incentives?

 

[jc456]

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Then explain to me why Americans working 40 hours a week can barely make rent.

This is not the economy of the past. People are working extremely hard, and STILL can't make ends meet.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

you should look it up, the internet provides a nice place for reference material for you to get an answer.

Oh, and brokeloser, posted it already.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I always find this narrative fascinating....The top 1% of wage earners already pay 45% of all income tax paid and 45% of American's pay no income tax at all.
That said, how is the notion that our most productive positive contributors owe more manifested?
Why is it never said that we have too many bottom feeders stealing from the middle class and how does that not make more sense to sane rational folks? Take the $100 billion we spend on illegal beaners every year...what if we diverted that cash alone and funneled it through the hands of the middle class and REAL Americans?

Well it is obvious wealth redistribution needs to take place of people to survive in the US all you have to do is look around and see how many are in poverty, struggling with work, only able to get part time jobs, turning to very dangerous jobs for work, or turning to crime to pay the bills.

Before I became a truck driver I worked in security and one thing became obvious to me that a lot of people who turn to crime do it because this is the only way they can make enough money to survive. If there were more redistribution of wealth or the government took care of people more the way it should we would have a lot less crime. They were often low skill workers who weren't very bright. A lot of high school dropouts.

A lot of low wage workers in order to survive also do things they aren't suppose to not out of choice, but that is the only way they can supplement their income enough so they can survive. In a low income area I worked I knew a lot of fast food workers also would sell drugs or illegally collect money for kids they didn't really have just so they could survive, they would of been homeless otherwise. You could say these were bad people, or you could look at it from the angle of the structure of our American society and blame the government for why they are selling drugs and turning to crime. This is the consequence of Capitalism. If the government gave them the job they need to survive or the money they needed to survive do you think they would turn to crime? I don't think so. It's like that movie "Trading Places". It's easy for someone with a nice job and can pay the bills to look down on those people and call them bad people, but you know what that is easy to say if you never were homeless and struggled. I have been homeless before living in a cardboard box on the street and I have a masters degree.

The nice thing about truck driving is it saves a lot of people from turning to a bad lifestyle, truck driving saved me. I met people who were low wage workers before, drug dealers before, who served prison time before, who are now successful truck driver making 40k+ a year. Being a truck driver wasn't a choice I wanted, but driving and living out of a truck is better than turning to other more dangerous options.

Capitalism is to blame for all the drugs and crime and people having low wage jobs that won't pay the bills in my opinion. We need to put the axe to capitalism and replace it instead with socialism and have the government take over businesses and have more control over them.

You did a fine job articulating your point but let me tell you how your story reads for successful, productive people.
"I made some poor life decisions and even worse career choices, I NEED Government to hold my hand and pave a pathway for me. Further, I deserve some of others people's wealth...just because they made sound decisions, key career choices and stayed ambitious should not entitle them to all of their own cash."
Make no mistake about it...essentially what you want is to penalized the guy for doing well and reward the guy for doing poorly.
That never, ever works...not in sports, not in business, not in education....IT NEVER WORKS!
Now bear in mind...it's only the people at or near the bottom that share your sentiment...surely you don't view that as coincidence?

You think wealthy people don't get government assistance?

They get more than anyone

How so?

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

I just posted all the numbers Danny...Why is how they earn their money relevant?

How so?
The Golden Rule....He who has the gold makes the rules

Who protects the assets of the wealthy? Who ensures their global interests are protected? Who provides an educated workforce? Who provides infrastructure? Who provides tax incentives?

Haha...I'm thinking you've watched one to many Michael Moore flicks bud.
Does believing like you do make it easier to accept your failures and or shortcomings?
It's always someone or something holding you back...right?

 

[WEATHER53]

If we did redistribute wealth 70% of them would smoke it up in crack so I will keep mine
Wealth is created via ambition and personal responsibility. The poor mouthers aren't on board for either of those so just easier to nurse the grievance, feign offendedness , and squeal "gimme...gimme"

 

[rightwinger]

Well it is obvious wealth redistribution needs to take place of people to survive in the US all you have to do is look around and see how many are in poverty, struggling with work, only able to get part time jobs, turning to very dangerous jobs for work, or turning to crime to pay the bills.

Before I became a truck driver I worked in security and one thing became obvious to me that a lot of people who turn to crime do it because this is the only way they can make enough money to survive. If there were more redistribution of wealth or the government took care of people more the way it should we would have a lot less crime. They were often low skill workers who weren't very bright. A lot of high school dropouts.

A lot of low wage workers in order to survive also do things they aren't suppose to not out of choice, but that is the only way they can supplement their income enough so they can survive. In a low income area I worked I knew a lot of fast food workers also would sell drugs or illegally collect money for kids they didn't really have just so they could survive, they would of been homeless otherwise. You could say these were bad people, or you could look at it from the angle of the structure of our American society and blame the government for why they are selling drugs and turning to crime. This is the consequence of Capitalism. If the government gave them the job they need to survive or the money they needed to survive do you think they would turn to crime? I don't think so. It's like that movie "Trading Places". It's easy for someone with a nice job and can pay the bills to look down on those people and call them bad people, but you know what that is easy to say if you never were homeless and struggled. I have been homeless before living in a cardboard box on the street and I have a masters degree.

The nice thing about truck driving is it saves a lot of people from turning to a bad lifestyle, truck driving saved me. I met people who were low wage workers before, drug dealers before, who served prison time before, who are now successful truck driver making 40k+ a year. Being a truck driver wasn't a choice I wanted, but driving and living out of a truck is better than turning to other more dangerous options.

Capitalism is to blame for all the drugs and crime and people having low wage jobs that won't pay the bills in my opinion. We need to put the axe to capitalism and replace it instead with socialism and have the government take over businesses and have more control over them.

You did a fine job articulating your point but let me tell you how your story reads for successful, productive people.
"I made some poor life decisions and even worse career choices, I NEED Government to hold my hand and pave a pathway for me. Further, I deserve some of others people's wealth...just because they made sound decisions, key career choices and stayed ambitious should not entitle them to all of their own cash."
Make no mistake about it...essentially what you want is to penalized the guy for doing well and reward the guy for doing poorly.
That never, ever works...not in sports, not in business, not in education....IT NEVER WORKS!
Now bear in mind...it's only the people at or near the bottom that share your sentiment...surely you don't view that as coincidence?

You think wealthy people don't get government assistance?

They get more than anyone

How so?

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

I just posted all the numbers Danny...Why is how they earn their money relevant?

How so?
The Golden Rule....He who has the gold makes the rules

Who protects the assets of the wealthy? Who ensures their global interests are protected? Who provides an educated workforce? Who provides infrastructure? Who provides tax incentives?

Haha...I'm thinking you've watched one to many Michael Moore flicks bud.
Does believing like you do make it easier to accept your failures and or shortcomings?
It's always someone or something holding you back...right?

What does that have to do with the enormous advantage the wealthy have in accumulating and maintaining money

Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work

 

[rightwinger]

If we did redistribute wealth 70% of them would smoke it up in crack so I will keep mine
Wealth is created via ambition and personal responsibility. The poor mouthers aren't on board for either of those so just easier to nurse the grievance, feign offendedness , and squeal "gimme...gimme"

No they wouldn't

Most would go to working Americans who have been left out of the American Dream.

 

[BrokeLoser]

You did a fine job articulating your point but let me tell you how your story reads for successful, productive people.
"I made some poor life decisions and even worse career choices, I NEED Government to hold my hand and pave a pathway for me. Further, I deserve some of others people's wealth...just because they made sound decisions, key career choices and stayed ambitious should not entitle them to all of their own cash."
Make no mistake about it...essentially what you want is to penalized the guy for doing well and reward the guy for doing poorly.
That never, ever works...not in sports, not in business, not in education....IT NEVER WORKS!
Now bear in mind...it's only the people at or near the bottom that share your sentiment...surely you don't view that as coincidence?

You think wealthy people don't get government assistance?

They get more than anyone

How so?

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

I just posted all the numbers Danny...Why is how they earn their money relevant?

How so?
The Golden Rule....He who has the gold makes the rules

Who protects the assets of the wealthy? Who ensures their global interests are protected? Who provides an educated workforce? Who provides infrastructure? Who provides tax incentives?

Haha...I'm thinking you've watched one to many Michael Moore flicks bud.
Does believing like you do make it easier to accept your failures and or shortcomings?
It's always someone or something holding you back...right?

What does that have to do with the enormous advantage the wealthy have in accumulating and maintaining money

Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work

Econ 101- Wealth builds wealth. You learned this in 8th grade. It has nothing to do government involvement and everything to do with smart people making smart investments and using money to make more money. Simple shit.

"Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work"

The wealthy don't receive government checks on the 1st and the 15th...they don't receive EBT cards. They don't get free healthcare. The wealthy don't receive subsidized housing assistance or 2% down mortgage loans. Their children don't go to school for free. Who do these policies assist again?

 

[hadit]

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Then explain to me why Americans working 40 hours a week can barely make rent.

This is not the economy of the past. People are working extremely hard, and STILL can't make ends meet.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

Plenty, and none of your business. Only the left doesn't get it. It's why they can't be trusted with the reins of power.


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[Aries]

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Then explain to me why Americans working 40 hours a week can barely make rent.

This is not the economy of the past. People are working extremely hard, and STILL can't make ends meet.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

Plenty, and none of your business. Only the left doesn't get it. It's why they can't be trusted with the reins of power.


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They've been trusted for decades to clean up the mess of republicans. Fix all the economic blunders like great depression and recession. Fix all of the regressive laws that strip civil rights.. hell after their term is up, repubs are begging for a lib to come in and save their reputation. Why do you think the bushes like the Obamas so much. Obama saved his name and our asses.

 

[rightwinger]

You think wealthy people don't get government assistance?

They get more than anyone

How so?

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

I just posted all the numbers Danny...Why is how they earn their money relevant?

How so?
The Golden Rule....He who has the gold makes the rules

Who protects the assets of the wealthy? Who ensures their global interests are protected? Who provides an educated workforce? Who provides infrastructure? Who provides tax incentives?

Haha...I'm thinking you've watched one to many Michael Moore flicks bud.
Does believing like you do make it easier to accept your failures and or shortcomings?
It's always someone or something holding you back...right?

What does that have to do with the enormous advantage the wealthy have in accumulating and maintaining money

Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work

Econ 101- Wealth builds wealth. You learned this in 8th grade. It has nothing to do government involvement and everything to do with smart people making smart investments and using money to make more money. Simple shit.

"Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work"

The wealthy don't receive government checks on the 1st and the 15th...they don't receive EBT cards. They don't get free healthcare. The wealthy don't receive subsidized housing assistance or 2% down mortgage loans. Their children don't go to school for free. Who do these policies assist again?

Not necessarily....labor builds wealth
The wealthy don't actually produce anything of value

They gain wealth by exploiting labor