"We need to redistribute wealth among Americans" WTF...why does this always sound so retarded to me?

[BrokeLoser]

How so?

I just posted all the numbers Danny...Why is how they earn their money relevant?

How so?
The Golden Rule....He who has the gold makes the rules

Who protects the assets of the wealthy? Who ensures their global interests are protected? Who provides an educated workforce? Who provides infrastructure? Who provides tax incentives?

Haha...I'm thinking you've watched one to many Michael Moore flicks bud.
Does believing like you do make it easier to accept your failures and or shortcomings?
It's always someone or something holding you back...right?

What does that have to do with the enormous advantage the wealthy have in accumulating and maintaining money

Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work

Econ 101- Wealth builds wealth. You learned this in 8th grade. It has nothing to do government involvement and everything to do with smart people making smart investments and using money to make more money. Simple shit.

"Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work"

The wealthy don't receive government checks on the 1st and the 15th...they don't receive EBT cards. They don't get free healthcare. The wealthy don't receive subsidized housing assistance or 2% down mortgage loans. Their children don't go to school for free. Who do these policies assist again?

Not necessarily....labor builds wealth
The wealthy don't actually produce anything of value

They gain wealth by exploiting labor

Semantics.
Wealth / money is the precursor to the labor...no money = no labor.
All clock punching hole diggers envy and often times hate the guys at the top who appear to "labor" less and make more. This will never end and the concocted conspiracy theories won't either.
The truth is, most people are self programmed to punch the clock and dig all day...they'll bitch and complain but they'll never take action and reprogram. Others are ambitious enough to take action and reprogram many times over.
Remember, smart people delegate and unintelligent people can't stand it.

 

[rightwinger]

How so?
The Golden Rule....He who has the gold makes the rules

Who protects the assets of the wealthy? Who ensures their global interests are protected? Who provides an educated workforce? Who provides infrastructure? Who provides tax incentives?

Haha...I'm thinking you've watched one to many Michael Moore flicks bud.
Does believing like you do make it easier to accept your failures and or shortcomings?
It's always someone or something holding you back...right?

What does that have to do with the enormous advantage the wealthy have in accumulating and maintaining money

Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work

Econ 101- Wealth builds wealth. You learned this in 8th grade. It has nothing to do government involvement and everything to do with smart people making smart investments and using money to make more money. Simple shit.

"Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work"

The wealthy don't receive government checks on the 1st and the 15th...they don't receive EBT cards. They don't get free healthcare. The wealthy don't receive subsidized housing assistance or 2% down mortgage loans. Their children don't go to school for free. Who do these policies assist again?

Not necessarily....labor builds wealth
The wealthy don't actually produce anything of value

They gain wealth by exploiting labor

Semantics.
Wealth / money is the precursor to the labor...no money = no labor.
All clock punching hole diggers envy and often times hate the guys at the top who appear to "labor" less and make more. This will never end and the concocted conspiracy theories won't either.
The truth is, most people are self programmed to punch the clock and dig all day...they'll bitch and complain but they'll never take action and reprogram. Others are ambitious enough to take action and reprogram many times over.
Remember, smart people delegate and unintelligent people can't stand it.

You have it backwards
There is no wealth generated unless labor is performed first

 

[BrokeLoser]

Haha...I'm thinking you've watched one to many Michael Moore flicks bud.
Does believing like you do make it easier to accept your failures and or shortcomings?
It's always someone or something holding you back...right?

What does that have to do with the enormous advantage the wealthy have in accumulating and maintaining money

Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work

Econ 101- Wealth builds wealth. You learned this in 8th grade. It has nothing to do government involvement and everything to do with smart people making smart investments and using money to make more money. Simple shit.

"Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work"

The wealthy don't receive government checks on the 1st and the 15th...they don't receive EBT cards. They don't get free healthcare. The wealthy don't receive subsidized housing assistance or 2% down mortgage loans. Their children don't go to school for free. Who do these policies assist again?

Not necessarily....labor builds wealth
The wealthy don't actually produce anything of value

They gain wealth by exploiting labor

Semantics.
Wealth / money is the precursor to the labor...no money = no labor.
All clock punching hole diggers envy and often times hate the guys at the top who appear to "labor" less and make more. This will never end and the concocted conspiracy theories won't either.
The truth is, most people are self programmed to punch the clock and dig all day...they'll bitch and complain but they'll never take action and reprogram. Others are ambitious enough to take action and reprogram many times over.
Remember, smart people delegate and unintelligent people can't stand it.

You have it backwards
There is no wealth generated unless labor is performed first

Like I said...SEMANTICS.
Although it's a noble sentiment and it makes you feel warm and fuzzy...Just because Abe said it doesn't make it true. Think real world.

 

[danielpalos]

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Then explain to me why Americans working 40 hours a week can barely make rent.

This is not the economy of the past. People are working extremely hard, and STILL can't make ends meet.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

you should look it up, the internet provides a nice place for reference material for you to get an answer.

Oh, and brokeloser, posted it already.

How much does our Capitalist in Chief, pay in personal income taxes?

 

[danielpalos]

Well it is obvious wealth redistribution needs to take place of people to survive in the US all you have to do is look around and see how many are in poverty, struggling with work, only able to get part time jobs, turning to very dangerous jobs for work, or turning to crime to pay the bills.

Before I became a truck driver I worked in security and one thing became obvious to me that a lot of people who turn to crime do it because this is the only way they can make enough money to survive. If there were more redistribution of wealth or the government took care of people more the way it should we would have a lot less crime. They were often low skill workers who weren't very bright. A lot of high school dropouts.

A lot of low wage workers in order to survive also do things they aren't suppose to not out of choice, but that is the only way they can supplement their income enough so they can survive. In a low income area I worked I knew a lot of fast food workers also would sell drugs or illegally collect money for kids they didn't really have just so they could survive, they would of been homeless otherwise. You could say these were bad people, or you could look at it from the angle of the structure of our American society and blame the government for why they are selling drugs and turning to crime. This is the consequence of Capitalism. If the government gave them the job they need to survive or the money they needed to survive do you think they would turn to crime? I don't think so. It's like that movie "Trading Places". It's easy for someone with a nice job and can pay the bills to look down on those people and call them bad people, but you know what that is easy to say if you never were homeless and struggled. I have been homeless before living in a cardboard box on the street and I have a masters degree.

The nice thing about truck driving is it saves a lot of people from turning to a bad lifestyle, truck driving saved me. I met people who were low wage workers before, drug dealers before, who served prison time before, who are now successful truck driver making 40k+ a year. Being a truck driver wasn't a choice I wanted, but driving and living out of a truck is better than turning to other more dangerous options.

Capitalism is to blame for all the drugs and crime and people having low wage jobs that won't pay the bills in my opinion. We need to put the axe to capitalism and replace it instead with socialism and have the government take over businesses and have more control over them.

You did a fine job articulating your point but let me tell you how your story reads for successful, productive people.
"I made some poor life decisions and even worse career choices, I NEED Government to hold my hand and pave a pathway for me. Further, I deserve some of others people's wealth...just because they made sound decisions, key career choices and stayed ambitious should not entitle them to all of their own cash."
Make no mistake about it...essentially what you want is to penalized the guy for doing well and reward the guy for doing poorly.
That never, ever works...not in sports, not in business, not in education....IT NEVER WORKS!
Now bear in mind...it's only the people at or near the bottom that share your sentiment...surely you don't view that as coincidence?

You think wealthy people don't get government assistance?

They get more than anyone

How so?

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

I just posted all the numbers Danny...Why is how they earn their money relevant?

How so?
The Golden Rule....He who has the gold makes the rules

Who protects the assets of the wealthy? Who ensures their global interests are protected? Who provides an educated workforce? Who provides infrastructure? Who provides tax incentives?

Haha...I'm thinking you've watched one to many Michael Moore flicks bud.
Does believing like you do make it easier to accept your failures and or shortcomings?
It's always someone or something holding you back...right?

What did a "socialist for free" declaim about the rich regarding morals under our form of Capitalism? He was Jesus the Christ.

The poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer, is Institutional, not Individual.

 

[rightwinger]

What does that have to do with the enormous advantage the wealthy have in accumulating and maintaining money

Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work

Econ 101- Wealth builds wealth. You learned this in 8th grade. It has nothing to do government involvement and everything to do with smart people making smart investments and using money to make more money. Simple shit.

"Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work"

The wealthy don't receive government checks on the 1st and the 15th...they don't receive EBT cards. They don't get free healthcare. The wealthy don't receive subsidized housing assistance or 2% down mortgage loans. Their children don't go to school for free. Who do these policies assist again?

Not necessarily....labor builds wealth
The wealthy don't actually produce anything of value

They gain wealth by exploiting labor

Semantics.
Wealth / money is the precursor to the labor...no money = no labor.
All clock punching hole diggers envy and often times hate the guys at the top who appear to "labor" less and make more. This will never end and the concocted conspiracy theories won't either.
The truth is, most people are self programmed to punch the clock and dig all day...they'll bitch and complain but they'll never take action and reprogram. Others are ambitious enough to take action and reprogram many times over.
Remember, smart people delegate and unintelligent people can't stand it.

You have it backwards
There is no wealth generated unless labor is performed first

Like I said...SEMANTICS.
Although it's a noble sentiment and it makes you feel warm and fuzzy...Just because Abe said it doesn't make it true. Think real world.

It is painfully obvious...it is not "semantics"

 

[danielpalos]

If we did redistribute wealth 70% of them would smoke it up in crack so I will keep mine
Wealth is created via ambition and personal responsibility. The poor mouthers aren't on board for either of those so just easier to nurse the grievance, feign offendedness , and squeal "gimme...gimme"

I agree to disagree.

Equal protection of the law and simple recourse to unemployment compensation on at-will basis in our at-will employment States, can solve simple poverty.

 

[danielpalos]

You think wealthy people don't get government assistance?

They get more than anyone

How so?

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

I just posted all the numbers Danny...Why is how they earn their money relevant?

How so?
The Golden Rule....He who has the gold makes the rules

Who protects the assets of the wealthy? Who ensures their global interests are protected? Who provides an educated workforce? Who provides infrastructure? Who provides tax incentives?

Haha...I'm thinking you've watched one to many Michael Moore flicks bud.
Does believing like you do make it easier to accept your failures and or shortcomings?
It's always someone or something holding you back...right?

What does that have to do with the enormous advantage the wealthy have in accumulating and maintaining money

Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work

Econ 101- Wealth builds wealth. You learned this in 8th grade. It has nothing to do government involvement and everything to do with smart people making smart investments and using money to make more money. Simple shit.

"Not looking to take away what they "earned" but question why we maintain policies to assist the wealthy when those policies obviously do not work"

The wealthy don't receive government checks on the 1st and the 15th...they don't receive EBT cards. They don't get free healthcare. The wealthy don't receive subsidized housing assistance or 2% down mortgage loans. Their children don't go to school for free. Who do these policies assist again?

The left know rational choice theory always applies.

The right wing is simply socialists and don't know it.

Some on the left are trying to be poets, and know it.

 

[danielpalos]

Believing that the very wealthy are your "most productive positive contributors" is a value judgement offensive to the working poor in America. What is needed is a different economic system which values all citizens and allows all to enjoy the wealth of the nation.

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Then explain to me why Americans working 40 hours a week can barely make rent.

This is not the economy of the past. People are working extremely hard, and STILL can't make ends meet.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

Plenty, and none of your business. Only the left doesn't get it. It's why they can't be trusted with the reins of power.


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lol. i love, right wing, cognitive dissonance.

Dears, the poor and Mr. Trump Only pay the taxes we are legally obligated to pay.

Don't complain, right wingers; Be Patriotic!

 

[BrokeLoser]

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

you should look it up, the internet provides a nice place for reference material for you to get an answer.

Oh, and brokeloser, posted it already.

How much does our Capitalist in Chief, pay in personal income taxes?

$38 million in 2005 which is more than your entire bloodline will EARN in their lifetimes.
He pays more per year in property tax and sales tax than you'll earn over your life.
Next!

 

[jc456]

Word games again. Nevertheless if the word "productive" means anything at all brokeloser was correct in using it to describe people who create value.
An economic system which Values all citizens" misvalues the majority and all are poor. Economic systems dont value. They punish when you break the laws of economics or reward when you work with them.
I prefer an economic system with allows all citizens the opportunity to produce value and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Thirty per cent goes to taxes..Plus 71/2% to social security. If they drive they pay outrageous gasoline taxes. There is a tax on their phone bill to give out free phones to non workers and a tax on their water bill and a tax on their cable bill to give free cable to inner cities. They have a little left...but to spend it face a sales tax of up to ten per cent on everything else. If they want a raise the Mexican who just floated over the border will do the job for half price.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

you should look it up, the internet provides a nice place for reference material for you to get an answer.

Oh, and brokeloser, posted it already.

How much does our Capitalist in Chief, pay in personal income taxes?

well the one tax document leaked showed he payed in 25% of his income. seems fair to me.

 

[jc456]

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

you should look it up, the internet provides a nice place for reference material for you to get an answer.

Oh, and brokeloser, posted it already.

How much does our Capitalist in Chief, pay in personal income taxes?

$38 million in 2005 which is more than your entire bloodline will EARN in their lifetimes.
He pays more per year in property tax and sales tax than you'll earn over your life.
Next!

you know he's coming back with that ain't enough. too funny.

 

[danielpalos]

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

you should look it up, the internet provides a nice place for reference material for you to get an answer.

Oh, and brokeloser, posted it already.

How much does our Capitalist in Chief, pay in personal income taxes?

$38 million in 2005 which is more than your entire bloodline will EARN in their lifetimes.
He pays more per year in property tax and sales tax than you'll earn over your life.
Next!

Link or it is just right wing, political propaganda and rhetoric, that aids and abets, misuse of public policies.

 

[danielpalos]

You have been brainwashed.
Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce. Those spivs who produce nothing but paper wealth in trading other people's money in stocks and shares, playing international currency markets, offering so-called financial services in banking speculation, are leeches who produce nothing but a paper value because the capitalist system rewards these greedy operators. They bring shame upon America.

Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens.

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

you should look it up, the internet provides a nice place for reference material for you to get an answer.

Oh, and brokeloser, posted it already.

How much does our Capitalist in Chief, pay in personal income taxes?

well the one tax document leaked showed he payed in 25% of his income. seems fair to me.

Fair, to me, would be no micromanagement of our tax codes; because, it is not capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

you should look it up, the internet provides a nice place for reference material for you to get an answer.

Oh, and brokeloser, posted it already.

How much does our Capitalist in Chief, pay in personal income taxes?

$38 million in 2005 which is more than your entire bloodline will EARN in their lifetimes.
He pays more per year in property tax and sales tax than you'll earn over your life.
Next!

you know he's coming back with that ain't enough. too funny.

Why does a One Percenter, need any tax breaks.

 

[The Derp]

I always find this narrative fascinating....The top 1% of wage earners already pay 45% of all income tax paid and 45% of American's pay no income tax at all.

Yeah, that's because you assholes cut taxes. Before your tax cutting bullshit, the burden was more equitable. But then you cut taxes, which increased the burden on the 1%, then complain about that increased burden caused by your fiscal policy.

So how is your ideology not 100% to blame for the very thing you are complaining about? Wouldn't that make your argument the equivalent of masturbation?

That said, how is the notion that our most productive positive contributors owe more manifested?

Because the notion that giving them tax cuts with the faith they'll "trickle down" has been debunked as fantastical nonsense. So debunked is it that Republicans in Kansas repealed trickle-down tax cuts.

Why is it never said that we have too many bottom feeders stealing from the middle class and how does that not make more sense to sane rational folks? Take the $100 billion we spend on illegal beaners every year...what if we diverted that cash alone and funneled it through the hands of the middle class and REAL Americans?

Conservatism cannot survive without the welfare it uses to subsidize its low tax rates. Every single Conservative red state uses the welfare block grant to plug deficits created by their taxation policies. So without welfare, Conservatism could not survive at all.

 

[jc456]

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

you should look it up, the internet provides a nice place for reference material for you to get an answer.

Oh, and brokeloser, posted it already.

How much does our Capitalist in Chief, pay in personal income taxes?

$38 million in 2005 which is more than your entire bloodline will EARN in their lifetimes.
He pays more per year in property tax and sales tax than you'll earn over your life.
Next!

you know he's coming back with that ain't enough. too funny.

Why does a One Percenter, need any tax breaks.

not sure I understand your question. what tax breaks?

 

[jc456]

I always find this narrative fascinating....The top 1% of wage earners already pay 45% of all income tax paid and 45% of American's pay no income tax at all.

Yeah, that's because you assholes cut taxes. Before your tax cutting bullshit, the burden was more equitable. But then you cut taxes, which increased the burden on the 1%, then complain about that increased burden caused by your fiscal policy.

So how is your ideology not 100% to blame for the very thing you are complaining about? Wouldn't that make your argument the equivalent of masturbation?

That said, how is the notion that our most productive positive contributors owe more manifested?

Because the notion that giving them tax cuts with the faith they'll "trickle down" has been debunked as fantastical nonsense. So debunked is it that Republicans in Kansas repealed trickle-down tax cuts.

Why is it never said that we have too many bottom feeders stealing from the middle class and how does that not make more sense to sane rational folks? Take the $100 billion we spend on illegal beaners every year...what if we diverted that cash alone and funneled it through the hands of the middle class and REAL Americans?

Conservatism cannot survive without the welfare it uses to subsidize its low tax rates. Every single Conservative red state uses the welfare block grant to plug deficits created by their taxation policies. So without welfare, Conservatism could not survive at all.

Yeah, that's because you assholes cut taxes. Before your tax cutting bullshit, the burden was more equitable.

explain this. what do you mean exactly? how did tax cutting affect the lower earning 45% of the population that doesn't pay income tax? Are you saying we should give them more money? well some do get that, tax credits. so I'm still unsure your position here.

 

[The Derp]

explain this. what do you mean exactly? how did tax cutting affect the lower earning 45% of the population that doesn't pay income tax?

Because in order to pass the tax cuts for the rich, you cut taxes for everyone else. So you cut taxes for those 45% to zero, then complain that 45% "don't pay taxes". So you caused the very thing you're complaining about. Hence, masturbation. The tax burden was more equitable before 1981. Then you cut taxes, then the burden wasn't equitable. So what caused the burden to not be equitable? Cutting taxes.

Are you saying we should give them more money? well some do get that, tax credits. so I'm still unsure your position here.

Instead of that, just raise wages. Wages haven't grown for most people the last 40 years. Particularly the last 16.

 

[BrokeLoser]

"Productive means producing something such as a washing machine, TV, car, beer, and so on. It is the workers who produce."
NEGATIVE....see, you've been brainwashed. You honestly believe that one must "build" something in order to be "productive". That's some funny shit...haha
pro·duc·tive
prəˈdəktiv/
adjective

1. producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities.
   "the most productive employees"
   synonyms: fertile, fruitful, rich, fecund
   "productive land"
   • relating to or engaged in the production of goods, crops, or other commodities.
     "the country's productive capacity"
   • achieving or producing a significant amount or result.
     "a long and productive career"
     synonyms: prolific, inventive, creative;
     
     
     "Only the little people pay taxes in modern America. The wealthy have their money in British overseas territories known as tax havens."
     
     NEGATIVE. Try again.
     "In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed, according to our analysis of preliminary IRS data. Their average tax rate (total taxes paid divided by cumulative AGI) was 25.7%. By contrast, people with incomes of less than $50,000 accounted for 62.3% of all individual returns filed, but they paid just 5.7% of total taxes. Their average tax rate was 4.3%." -
     High-income Americans pay most income taxes, but enough to be ‘fair’?
     
     "An estimated 45.3 percent of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 tax year from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won’t owe their states income tax.)
     
     Roughly half pay no federal income tax because they have no taxable income, and the other roughly half get enough tax breaks to erase their tax liability, explains Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center." -
     http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/45-percent-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax/

How much in tax do the rich actually pay in Personal Income tax, and how did the rich "earn" their money?

you should look it up, the internet provides a nice place for reference material for you to get an answer.

Oh, and brokeloser, posted it already.

How much does our Capitalist in Chief, pay in personal income taxes?

$38 million in 2005 which is more than your entire bloodline will EARN in their lifetimes.
He pays more per year in property tax and sales tax than you'll earn over your life.
Next!

you know he's coming back with that ain't enough. too funny.

Haha...you definitely know Danny.