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We are moving towards low quality single payer.
Exactly. And it is precisely because of the willfully stupid parroting tards that it has become an inevitability.
*SQUAAAWWWK* STATIST!
Krugman made a very compelling argument about how people who find that medicare actually gave them more bang for buck in terms of healthcare dollar because Medicare has lower overhead.I don't think it's politically possible to convince votes who have an employer sponsored plan to voluntarily give it up.
It is possible if people actually knew what it was their health insurance company really does. Most people (at least 90%, probably more) don't know the role an insurance company plays in health care. Literally, all we need to do is educate people as to what that role is and I think you'll see tons of support for a single payer. You hear people say "I like my doctor", but you never hear anyone say "I like my insurance company". Insurance companies bank on the ignorance of people who think they're intrinsically linked to the care they get from their doctor when that couldn't be any further from reality.
If you sit a typical person down and ask them if they think it's worth a 20% fee for a private company to merely administer payment to your doctor after they treat you, I'd bet 9 times out of 10 they'd say it's not worth that. And if you told those same people that Medicare does the exact same thing their insurance company does, but does it for a fraction the overhead, they'd wonder why everyone wasn't on Medicare in the first place.
Why does it have to be fixed? Why didn't the Democrats just do it right the first time? How many shots at this are they gonna need before they get it right?
So were Stalin's but good intentions are the cobblestones that pave the road to hell.
You don't realize yet the gop will be back tinkering with the tax deal? Just as they came back two years after Reagan's first tax cuts.Why does it have to be fixed? Why didn't the Democrats just do it right the first time? How many shots at this are they gonna need before they get it right?The ACA had its problems that could have been fixed.
So were Stalin's but good intentions are the cobblestones that pave the road to hell.but the intent behind the bill was always good.
Krugman made a very compelling argument about how people who find that medicare actually gave them more bang for buck in terms of healthcare dollar because Medicare has lower overhead.
Years ago, I did work tangentally in the field of HC management, and I know Medicare does have lower overhead than private insurance.
But I don't think it's the answer because the only real cost control is congress critters having the honestly to tell voters ... sorry, we done spent the X% of gnp we allocated to healthcare this year, so you have to wait a couple of months for your new knee or cataracts or whatever.
“I shouldn’t say this,” Trump said, “but we essentially repealed Obamacare.”
Trump just told the truth. He may wish he hadn’t.
Enjoy your record high Trumpcare medical and insurance costs, rubes.
- Premiums for the most popular health insurance on the individual market exchanges are estimated to rise 34 percent on average next year, according to the consulting firm Avalere Health, because of previous sabotage done by the Trump administration. Premiums in Iowa would be up 69 percent, Wyoming 65 percent and Utah 64 percent.
- Employer-based health insurance costs are forecast to rise in 2018 by the most since 2011
In Mississippi we'd actually have to pass an income tax increase to make the Medicaid match, and it would be a bit one. We have a lot of working poor. Obamacare was/is well intentioned, but it was designed by liberal elites. Not that it couldn't have been made better through compromise. It could. And I expect it will. The gop is betting that people will be signing happy days in 18 and 20, but even if we have 3% growth that won't make lives better for working poor who will have less HC access than they did in 16.Why does it have to be fixed? Why didn't the Democrats just do it right the first time? How many shots at this are they gonna need before they get it right?
The "fixes" are required because Conservatives monkeyed around ham-fistedly with the law by eliminating CSR's (Rubio) and blocking Medicaid expansion (SCOTUS). Fixing just those two things would have made the law much better than it is. We wanted single payer, but got Obamacare. Y'all didn't want to participate in the process at all, even denying there was a coverage problem. The ACA is better than anything y'all have to offer, and it's better than the system we had pre-ACA. Of this, there is no debate.
So were Stalin's but good intentions are the cobblestones that pave the road to hell.
Fuck you. First of all, to equate getting people health insurance with Stalinism is intellectual dishonesty at its most perverse. Stalin never intended to do good by anyone, just like how Conservatives don't intend to do good by anyone but themselves. So if you're going to compare anyone to Stalin, compare those on the right to him since they're determined to murder people by taking away their health care coverage for political expediency. You're truly a class of low-lifes with no equal.
Oh, right, like they aren't already at record highs.“I shouldn’t say this,” Trump said, “but we essentially repealed Obamacare.”
Trump just told the truth. He may wish he hadn’t.
Enjoy your record high Trumpcare medical and insurance costs, rubes.
- Premiums for the most popular health insurance on the individual market exchanges are estimated to rise 34 percent on average next year, according to the consulting firm Avalere Health, because of previous sabotage done by the Trump administration. Premiums in Iowa would be up 69 percent, Wyoming 65 percent and Utah 64 percent.
- Employer-based health insurance costs are forecast to rise in 2018 by the most since 2011
Of course I realize it, the story of all the major legislation that's been passed for at least the last 20 years is "We need a "fix" for all the shit our last "fix" broke".You don't realize yet the gop will be back tinkering with the tax deal? Just as they came back two years after Reagan's first tax cuts.Why does it have to be fixed? Why didn't the Democrats just do it right the first time? How many shots at this are they gonna need before they get it right?The ACA had its problems that could have been fixed.
So were Stalin's but good intentions are the cobblestones that pave the road to hell.but the intent behind the bill was always good.
I say AGAIN... how many times are they going to have "fix" all the shit that their previous "fixes" fuck up?Obamacare was an initial attempt to manage it. The dems will be back.
It hasn"t been "all repealed." The worst parts if it are still in place.Trump just said ObamaCare is repealed.Yup, the more HusseinCare implodes, the more people will demand its repeal.
Time to bury that steaming pile of shit Obama left us on our doorstep.
It's all his now. It's TrumpCare.
Enjoy your skyrocketing TrumpCare costs! [emoji38]
I say AGAIN... how many times are they going to have "fix" all the shit that their previous "fixes" fuck up?
Didn't you reference a Canadian model?Krugman made a very compelling argument about how people who find that medicare actually gave them more bang for buck in terms of healthcare dollar because Medicare has lower overhead.
Years ago, I did work tangentally in the field of HC management, and I know Medicare does have lower overhead than private insurance.
But I don't think it's the answer because the only real cost control is congress critters having the honestly to tell voters ... sorry, we done spent the X% of gnp we allocated to healthcare this year, so you have to wait a couple of months for your new knee or cataracts or whatever.
Why does there have to be a fixed X% of GDP spent on health care? Don't understand. That's why we pay premiums.
We still have Obamacare, dumbass.Wow. We are seeing some real schizophrenia here right now. This is fascinating.
When health insurance "skyrocketed" under Obama, we saw hundreds of topics started by the Tard Herd about it. They were screaming and foaming at the mouth and whining and crying profusely.
Now that health insurance is reaching record highs under TrumpCare, suddenly it's all okay. The people who can't afford health insurance are lazy no-good fuckwads who deserve it.
Positively shizophrenic!
Didn't you reference a Canadian model?
Yes, I expect huge premium increases. If the Republicans don't want to give us a free market (they don't) then they should work with the Democrats to give us Canada-style universal healthcare.
In a free market, I could self-diagnose and buy my drugs from China. The only relevant role for the government is to police fraud.
I'm not stupid enough to confuse Republican pandering to conservatives with their real values.
No, idiot. Conservatives oppose government because they don't want to be slaves to the government.
No, idiot. Liberals are the only people demanding more rights for one group over the next.
I know what I want. I want you to step on a rake so the handle flies off the ground and smacks you in your small head.
Liberals aren't egomaniacs and hypocrites?
Oh, look. A tard with a memory like a goldfish!Not repealing the mandate that forces people to purchase a for profit product would change that?Oh, look. A tard who thinks only lazy people are having difficulty paying their health insurance and medical bills.Hmmm, let's see here. Don't work, suck off welfare, you don't get health care insurance.“I shouldn’t say this,” Trump said, “but we essentially repealed Obamacare.”
Trump just told the truth. He may wish he hadn’t.
Enjoy your record high Trumpcare medical and insurance costs, rubes.
- Premiums for the most popular health insurance on the individual market exchanges are estimated to rise 34 percent on average next year, according to the consulting firm Avalere Health, because of previous sabotage done by the Trump administration. Premiums in Iowa would be up 69 percent, Wyoming 65 percent and Utah 64 percent.
- Employer-based health insurance costs are forecast to rise in 2018 by the most since 2011
No insurance, you die.
You die and your type stop weakening the gene pool.
Darwin was brilliant!
Isn't that just precious!
That's funny. I don't recall them saying these things when they were whining about ObamaCare!
Fucking hypocrites.
"My first day in office, I'm going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law, and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability. You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."
Sure because you are a qualified physician. The stupid is strong in this one.
