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Society has every right to demand limits be set when they are footing the bill. The moochers should be thankful.
YOU know that's just bulloney syrenn....they have no choice in this...they wouldn't be applying for it if they made enough to support themselves and their children....so you are forcing them to submit to their gvt for something that is NONE of their gvt's business.....it's none of the gvt's business, PERIOD. and as shown, many times over, the majority of these people are NOT taking drugs....and probably never have taken drugs and probably never will take drugs....yet YOU seem to want to treat them like they are guilty....NO they don't have the right to invade another's right to privacy, just "because", imho. And as it has shown much more than a majority, actually much much more than a majority of these people are law abiding citizens and YOU have no right to treat them or presume that they are, like scum of the earth, drug addicts. Mind your own business. If you want to get rid of welfare, then shoot to do that....but to have the gvt invade their privacy just because you don't like them or the welfare they receive is simply wrong and a very very very slippery slope.Society has every right to demand limits be set when they are footing the bill. The moochers should be thankful.
Drug testing was initially allowed by employers for jobs of responsibility and or dangerous jobs....I was against it then because I KNEW IT WOULD LEAD to this kind of crap...I suppose as long as it is not you personally, you are okay with it.... well, I am not....it gives power to the government that is not in our constitution imo.
No one is invading their privacy. They dont have to sign up for the assistance if they dont want to test. Just as if you dont have to test if you dont want the job. It is a personal choice to take the check...just as it is a personal choice to take a job. You know going in what the requirements will be. Take it or leave it.
I don't think welfare is a constitutionally guaranteed right so the state has the ability to hold recipients to whatever criteria they please.
Well, seeing as nobody has said anything about welfare being a constitutional right, would you like to move along to the constitutional protects of searches without reasonable cause?
Most jobs have mandatory drug testing to get the job and then random drug testing during the year
[I don't have a problem with it as it's voluntary. You voluntarily apply for government hand outs not one person has ever been forced to take government aid.
If you want tax payer money then take the drug test. Your choice 100%
Same thing could be said about reporting crime to the police. Do you have no problem with police requiring drug tests for you to report a crime?
No one wants to address who the welfare benefits?
Drug users are bad but a drug users kid has nothing to do with it.
YOU know that's just bulloney syrenn....they have no choice in this...they wouldn't be applying for it if they made enough to support themselves and their children....so you are forcing them to submit to their gvt for something that is NONE of their gvt's business.....it's none of the gvt's business, PERIOD. and as shown, many times over, the majority of these people are NOT taking drugs....and probably never have taken drugs and probably never will take drugs....yet YOU seem to want to treat them like they are guilty....NO they don't have the right to invade another's right to privacy, just "because", imho. And as it has shown much more than a majority, actually much much more than a majority of these people are law abiding citizens and YOU have no right to treat them or presume that they are, like scum of the earth, drug addicts. Mind your own business. If you want to get rid of welfare, then shoot to do that....but to have the gvt invade their privacy just because you don't like them or the welfare they receive is simply wrong and a very very very slippery slope.
Drug testing was initially allowed by employers for jobs of responsibility and or dangerous jobs....I was against it then because I KNEW IT WOULD LEAD to this kind of crap...I suppose as long as it is not you personally, you are okay with it.... well, I am not....it gives power to the government that is not in our constitution imo.
No one is invading their privacy. They dont have to sign up for the assistance if they dont want to test. Just as if you dont have to test if you dont want the job. It is a personal choice to take the check...just as it is a personal choice to take a job. You know going in what the requirements will be. Take it or leave it.
it's simply wrong.
shoot to get rid of welfare if you don't like giving it out....that's how I view it.
The searches are voluntary.
People consent to the search as part of the process of applying for government hand outs.
No one is being forced against their will to apply for a hand out.
who's gonna fund that? and shouldn't that be up to a social worker whether a child gets removed from the family?No one wants to address who the welfare benefits?
Drug users are bad but a drug users kid has nothing to do with it.
Then the kids can be removed from the drug addicts care as they should be anyway.
Not the same thing at all.
You really don't believe the cops and a welfare office perform the same function do you?
False.
As an overall percentage, very few companies do pre-employment drug tests. And of those, even fewer do random drug tests.
Yep.No one wants to address who the welfare benefits?
Drug users are bad but a drug users kid has nothing to do with it.
Then the kids can be removed from the drug addicts care as they should be anyway.
they have to take the assistance or starve or let their children starve...they wouldn't be there if they had the means to support themselves...it has a cap of 2 years only.YOU know that's just bulloney syrenn....they have no choice in this...they wouldn't be applying for it if they made enough to support themselves and their children....so you are forcing them to submit to their gvt for something that is NONE of their gvt's business.....it's none of the gvt's business, PERIOD. and as shown, many times over, the majority of these people are NOT taking drugs....and probably never have taken drugs and probably never will take drugs....yet YOU seem to want to treat them like they are guilty....No one is invading their privacy. They dont have to sign up for the assistance if they dont want to test. Just as if you dont have to test if you dont want the job. It is a personal choice to take the check...just as it is a personal choice to take a job. You know going in what the requirements will be. Take it or leave it.
it's simply wrong.
shoot to get rid of welfare if you don't like giving it out....that's how I view it.
No, i dont think so Care. It is still voluntary.... yes, they have a choice. The don't have to apply for the assistance. No one is forcing them to take the assistance.
I am not in any way saying that any of the people are on drugs. If they have nothing to hide...they also have nothing to worry about. It will however, winnow out the ones who ARE on drugs and do NOT deserve government money to help them continue on drugs.
Getting rid of welfare is not a good idea. Getting rid of the ones who don't deserve it or are abusing the system is a good idea.
No one wants to address who the welfare benefits?
Drug users are bad but a drug users kid has nothing to do with it.
Then the kids can be removed from the drug addicts care as they should be anyway.
they have to take the assistance or starve or let their children starve...
they wouldn't be there if they had the means to support themselves...it has a cap of 2 years only.
and yes, there may be SOME, or a FEW that are not in that kind of bind and are trying to game the system....but they will be there whether you drug test the innocent or you don't.
if you choose to drug test this one small group just because they are getting a drip of your taxes paid, then you will need to drug test every single soul that receives gvt subsidies, gvt bailouts, gvt EICredits, gvt child tax credits, gvt grants for college....etc etc etc etc etc....all of those things above can then be drug tested based on this precedence and that will never happen, or you hope that will never happen....more of our taxes will be going towards drug testing than the subsidies or assistance itself....it is ridiculous! And wasteful. I don't want my tax dollars going towards drug tests on the innocent....nor should you, again, imho.
they have to take the assistance or starve or let their children starve...they wouldn't be there if they had the means to support themselves...it has a cap of 2 years only.YOU know that's just bulloney syrenn....they have no choice in this...they wouldn't be applying for it if they made enough to support themselves and their children....so you are forcing them to submit to their gvt for something that is NONE of their gvt's business.....it's none of the gvt's business, PERIOD. and as shown, many times over, the majority of these people are NOT taking drugs....and probably never have taken drugs and probably never will take drugs....yet YOU seem to want to treat them like they are guilty....
it's simply wrong.
shoot to get rid of welfare if you don't like giving it out....that's how I view it.
No, i dont think so Care. It is still voluntary.... yes, they have a choice. The don't have to apply for the assistance. No one is forcing them to take the assistance.
I am not in any way saying that any of the people are on drugs. If they have nothing to hide...they also have nothing to worry about. It will however, winnow out the ones who ARE on drugs and do NOT deserve government money to help them continue on drugs.
Getting rid of welfare is not a good idea. Getting rid of the ones who don't deserve it or are abusing the system is a good idea.
and yes, there may be SOME, or a FEW that are not in that kind of bind and are trying to game the system....but they will be there whether you drug test the innocent or you don't.
if you choose to drug test this one small group just because they are getting a drip of your taxes paid, then you will need to drug test every single soul that receives gvt subsidies, gvt bailouts, gvt EICredits, gvt child tax credits, gvt grants for college....etc etc etc etc etc....all of those things above can then be drug tested based on this precedence and that will never happen, or you hope that will never happen....more of our taxes will be going towards drug testing than the subsidies or assistance itself....it is ridiculous! And wasteful. I don't want my tax dollars going towards drug tests on the innocent....nor should you, again, imho.
