What are the characteristics of an armed person???

[Marion Morrison]

Well, it turns out that he had a Firearm Owners Identification Card. Weapon was properly holstered. Police are staying quiet about whether he had a concealed carry permit, and not answering that question. Apparently, he was selling single cigs. Which is why they approached him.

Oh! That crap again. Was this in NY?

 

[Marion Morrison]

I was stopped/stalked by police for -------------------------------------------------walking to work!
and another time for -----------------------------------------------biking home from work
another time a cop stopped me for --------------------------biking to work

Your resentment of being observed and/or stopped by police when you'd done nothing unlawful is perfectly understandable. It's a normal human reaction to an offensive action. But, presuming you are Black, the level of crime perpetrated by Blacks, possibly who dress like you and/or dress their hair like you, etc., is the reason you were stopped.

I'm white
point being whites are stopped by cops also
race is not a reason why cops shoot/stop etc all the time

Point is: They are doing it too often.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Apparently he was reaching for his wallet where his Firearm Owners Identification Card was located when the government's executioners began to be physically combative preventing him from reaching it.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The incident began when patrol officers on foot saw a man exhibiting characteristics of an armed person.

"He looked like he may have something on him," Guglielmi said. "They go to question him and at that point a confrontation ensues and he is shot."

The man, who was armed, was taken to an area hospital where he died, Guglielmi said.

Officials: Chaotic scene erupts with angry crowd after fatal police shooting in South Shore
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do they mean armed after they put a gun on him, or armed while walking down the street? Do investigate everyone who is exhibiting characteristics of an armed person.

What are the characteristics of an armed person???

so according to your link he did have a weapon whatchaa bitching about --LOL

how come the protesters did not protest the 17 other shootings

you should be happy they got a bad guy with a gun off the street

what the hell is the matter with people like you

 

[Natural Citizen]

so according to your link he did have a weapon whatchaa bitching about --LOL

how come the protesters did not protest the 17 other shootings

you should be happy they got a bad guy with a gun off the street

what the hell is the matter with people like you

He had a Firearm Owners Identification Card. Which he was apparently reaching for when the government's revenue collectors and part time public executioners began to assault him. Seems it was likely what he was reaching for after he ran from the assault and when they began to publicly execute him as well. Poor fool. Looked like he was reaching for his Firearm Owners Identification Card until the very end.

They're keeping quiet about whether he had a concealed carry permit. For now, anyway. That in itself is telling.

Lemme guess. You're another one of those rabid statists who identify as conservative?

 

[Aba Incieni]

Apparently he was reaching for his wallet where his Firearm Owners Identification Card was located when the government's executioners began to be physically combative preventing him from reaching it.

Did they ask him to run while searching for it?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Did they ask him to run while searching for it?

By the footage it appeared that it was the only way he was going to get enough space to retrieve it. Looked like he tried to retrieve it initially, but in case you didn't notice by the footage, he was confronted, physically accosted, and physically prevented from getting to his wallet by a fairly good sized group of the government's henchmen.

How's them boots taste? You never did say. What's your favorite flavor of leather these days?

 

[Aba Incieni]

Did they ask him to run while searching for it?

By the footage it appeared that it was the only way he was going to get enough space to retrieve it. Looked like he tried to retrieve it initially, but in case you didn't notice by the footage, he was confronted, physically accosted , and physicallty prevented from getting to his wallet by a fairtly good sized group of the government's men.

How's them boots taste? You never did say. What's your favorite flavor of leather these days?

The female grabbed his arm and he jerked away, showing he was armed. He ran and reached for his gun before being blasted into that long night.

When you wear stiletto heels, do they make you feel macho?

 

[jon_berzerk]

so according to your link he did have a weapon whatchaa bitching about --LOL

how come the protesters did not protest the 17 other shootings

you should be happy they got a bad guy with a gun off the street

what the hell is the matter with people like you

He had a Firearm Owners Identification Card. Which he was apparently reaching for when the government's revenue collectors and part time public executioners began to assault him. Seems it was likely what he was reaching for after he ran from the assault and when they began to publicly execute him as well. Poor fool. Looked like he was reaching for his Firearm Owners Identification Card until the very end.

They're keeping quiet about whether he had a concealed carry permit. For now, anyway. That in itself is telling.

Lemme guess. You're another one of those rabid statists who identify as conservative?

is that the actions you are to take as CCP holder when confronted by the police ?

 

[jon_berzerk]

Apparently he was reaching for his wallet where his Firearm Owners Identification Card was located when the government's executioners began to be physically combative preventing him from reaching it.

Did they ask him to run while searching for it?

that is a good question

i wonder if you are supposed to act like that when you are a CCP holder

when confronted by the police

 

[harmonica]

I was stopped/stalked by police for -------------------------------------------------walking to work!
and another time for -----------------------------------------------biking home from work
another time a cop stopped me for --------------------------biking to work

Your resentment of being observed and/or stopped by police when you'd done nothing unlawful is perfectly understandable. It's a normal human reaction to an offensive action. But, presuming you are Black, the level of crime perpetrated by Blacks, possibly who dress like you and/or dress their hair like you, etc., is the reason you were stopped.

I'm white
point being whites are stopped by cops also
race is not a reason why cops shoot/stop etc all the time

Point is: They are doing it too often.

who's doing what too often?

 

[2aguy]

Apparently he was reaching for his wallet where his Firearm Owners Identification Card was located when the government's executioners began to be physically combative preventing him from reaching it.

Wrong...... they just released the body cam footage from the cops......

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...atal_shooting_following_violent_protests.html

indeed armed, and made motions that could indicate using his firearm against the police.

Here is a still frame close-up of the gun:

And here is a still frame showing the deceased man taking a shooter’s grip on the gun:

Two versions of the body cam video, one using slow motion, were released (viewhere).

The Chicago cop blog, Second City Cop asks:

Anyone know when the community is going to start lining up to offer apologies to the Officers and the Chicago Police Department for their lies, slanders, assaults, batteries, and generally being assholes flying off the handle based on incomplete and pretty much wrong information?

 

[2aguy]

The incident began when patrol officers on foot saw a man exhibiting characteristics of an armed person.

"He looked like he may have something on him," Guglielmi said. "They go to question him and at that point a confrontation ensues and he is shot."

The man, who was armed, was taken to an area hospital where he died, Guglielmi said.

Officials: Chaotic scene erupts with angry crowd after fatal police shooting in South Shore
-------------------------------------------------------

do they mean armed after they put a gun on him, or armed while walking down the street? Do investigate everyone who is exhibiting characteristics of an armed person.

What are the characteristics of an armed person???

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...atal_shooting_following_violent_protests.html


Here you go.... the body cam footage of the encounter showing the gun on the guys hip, and the guy grabbing the gun...

indeed armed, and made motions that could indicate using his firearm against the police.

Here is a still frame close-up of the gun:

And here is a still frame showing the deceased man taking a shooter’s grip on the gun:

Two versions of the body cam video, one using slow motion, were released (viewhere).

The Chicago cop blog, Second City Cop asks:

Anyone know when the community is going to start lining up to offer apologies to the Officers and the Chicago Police Department for their lies, slanders, assaults, batteries, and generally being assholes flying off the handle based on incomplete and pretty much wrong information?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Oddly, there is such a thing as characteristics of an armed person.

U.S. Secret Service Training Guide: Characteristics of the Armed Individual | Public Intelligence

Recognizing armed persons is part of training. It must work because the person was certainly armed.

So they say he was armed, I'd be armed as well in that neighborhood. So anyone armed or suspicious of being armed can be approached by police???

You don't seem to understand concealed carry laws

Concealed carry means there are no visual cues whatsoever that one is armed. Even the outline of a gun and holster showing through clothing violated concealed carry laws.

From what I saw this guy had nothing bu a tee shirt pulled down over the gun(s) strapped to the outside of hie waistband

If he had been legally carrying a concealed weapon he would have known not to have any evidence of his weapon shwoing

The cops had every right to stop him.

 

[Skull Pilot]

People have a right to be armed. And people have a fourth amendment.

Nothing was said in the piece about whether the man was carrying with a permit.

But this is a perfect example of public execution by men sent with guns from the government. And grown men stood around and watched while it happened.

Even if he had a concealed carry permit he was in violation of the law as it was evident that he was carrying

Illinois Gun Laws: The Latest CCW Information (updated for 2018)

Open carrying a handgun on your person or in a vehicle with or without a license in Illinois is illegal. Even if you have a concealed permit you still cannot legally open carry.



The handgun must be concealed from view of the public.

 

[Penelope]

Oddly, there is such a thing as characteristics of an armed person.

U.S. Secret Service Training Guide: Characteristics of the Armed Individual | Public Intelligence

Recognizing armed persons is part of training. It must work because the person was certainly armed.

So they say he was armed, I'd be armed as well in that neighborhood. So anyone armed or suspicious of being armed can be approached by police???

You don't seem to understand concealed carry laws

Concealed carry means there are no visual cues whatsoever that one is armed. Even the outline of a gun and holster showing through clothing violated concealed carry laws.

From what I saw this guy had nothing bu a tee shirt pulled down over the gun(s) strapped to the outside of hie waistband

If he had been legally carrying a concealed weapon he would have known not to have any evidence of his weapon shwoing

The cops had every right to stop him.

The incident began when patrol officers on foot saw a man exhibiting characteristics of an armed person.

"He looked like he may have something on him," Guglielmi said. "They go to question him and at that point a confrontation ensues and he is shot."

The man, who was armed, was taken to an area hospital where he died, Guglielmi said.

Officials: Chaotic scene erupts with angry crowd after fatal police shooting in South Shore
-------------------------------------------------------

do they mean armed after they put a gun on him, or armed while walking down the street? Do investigate everyone who is exhibiting characteristics of an armed person.

What are the characteristics of an armed person???

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...atal_shooting_following_violent_protests.html


Here you go.... the body cam footage of the encounter showing the gun on the guys hip, and the guy grabbing the gun...

indeed armed, and made motions that could indicate using his firearm against the police.

Here is a still frame close-up of the gun:

And here is a still frame showing the deceased man taking a shooter’s grip on the gun:

Two versions of the body cam video, one using slow motion, were released (viewhere).

The Chicago cop blog, Second City Cop asks:

Anyone know when the community is going to start lining up to offer apologies to the Officers and the Chicago Police Department for their lies, slanders, assaults, batteries, and generally being assholes flying off the handle based on incomplete and pretty much wrong information?

I don't see him grabbing a gun.

Court records show that Augustus had three minor arrests from more than a decade ago and that all three charges were eventually dropped by Cook County prosecutors.

Chicago police release body camera footage of fatal officer-involved shooting that prompted protests

 

[Skull Pilot]

Oddly, there is such a thing as characteristics of an armed person.

U.S. Secret Service Training Guide: Characteristics of the Armed Individual | Public Intelligence

Recognizing armed persons is part of training. It must work because the person was certainly armed.

So they say he was armed, I'd be armed as well in that neighborhood. So anyone armed or suspicious of being armed can be approached by police???

You don't seem to understand concealed carry laws

Concealed carry means there are no visual cues whatsoever that one is armed. Even the outline of a gun and holster showing through clothing violated concealed carry laws.

From what I saw this guy had nothing bu a tee shirt pulled down over the gun(s) strapped to the outside of hie waistband

If he had been legally carrying a concealed weapon he would have known not to have any evidence of his weapon shwoing

The cops had every right to stop him.

The incident began when patrol officers on foot saw a man exhibiting characteristics of an armed person.

"He looked like he may have something on him," Guglielmi said. "They go to question him and at that point a confrontation ensues and he is shot."

The man, who was armed, was taken to an area hospital where he died, Guglielmi said.

Officials: Chaotic scene erupts with angry crowd after fatal police shooting in South Shore
-------------------------------------------------------

do they mean armed after they put a gun on him, or armed while walking down the street? Do investigate everyone who is exhibiting characteristics of an armed person.

What are the characteristics of an armed person???

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...atal_shooting_following_violent_protests.html


Here you go.... the body cam footage of the encounter showing the gun on the guys hip, and the guy grabbing the gun...

indeed armed, and made motions that could indicate using his firearm against the police.

Here is a still frame close-up of the gun:

And here is a still frame showing the deceased man taking a shooter’s grip on the gun:

Two versions of the body cam video, one using slow motion, were released (viewhere).

The Chicago cop blog, Second City Cop asks:

Anyone know when the community is going to start lining up to offer apologies to the Officers and the Chicago Police Department for their lies, slanders, assaults, batteries, and generally being assholes flying off the handle based on incomplete and pretty much wrong information?

I don't see him grabbing a gun.

Court records show that Augustus had three minor arrests from more than a decade ago and that all three charges were eventually dropped by Cook County prosecutors.

Chicago police release body camera footage of fatal officer-involved shooting that prompted protests

In the video he clearly put his hand on the butt of his gun.

But that's all besides the point since the cops had every right to stop him even if he had a valid CW permit ( which I highly doubt) because he was violating concealed carry laws

 

[MikeK]

You don't seem to understand concealed carry laws

Concealed carry means there are no visual cues whatsoever that one is armed. Even the outline of a gun and holster showing through clothing violated concealed carry laws.

From what I saw this guy had nothing bu a tee shirt pulled down over the gun(s) strapped to the outside of hie waistband

If he had been legally carrying a concealed weapon he would have known not to have any evidence of his weapon shwoing

The cops had every right to stop him.

Carrying anything bigger than a derringer or .22 mini-revolver concealed in summer is difficult -- virtually impossible when wearing a t-shirt. The only option is to wear an over-size, un-tucked shirt, which to the accustomed eye is a give-away that it's concealing something.

This is one very good option for a close-range personal defense handgun. It's a High-Standard .22 magnum 2-shot "belly-gun," so-called because a hollow-point .22 magnum bullet in the belly at close range will do a lot of serious damage, is paralyzingly painful, and will stop the biggest man. Its flat configuration in the holster can be carried in a back-pocket like a wallet. Problem is police departments do not authorize it for off-duty carry.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You don't seem to understand concealed carry laws

Concealed carry means there are no visual cues whatsoever that one is armed. Even the outline of a gun and holster showing through clothing violated concealed carry laws.

From what I saw this guy had nothing bu a tee shirt pulled down over the gun(s) strapped to the outside of hie waistband

If he had been legally carrying a concealed weapon he would have known not to have any evidence of his weapon shwoing

The cops had every right to stop him.

Carrying anything bigger than a derringer or .22 mini-revolver concealed in summer is difficult -- virtually impossible when wearing a t-shirt. The only option is to wear an over-size, un-tucked shirt, which to the accustomed eye is a give-away that it's concealing something.

This is one very good option for a close-range personal defense handgun. It's a High-Standard .22 magnum 2-shot "belly-gun," so-called because a hollow-point .22 magnum bullet in the belly at close range will do a lot of serious damage, is paralyzingly painful, and will stop the biggest man. Its flat configuration in the holster can be carried in a back-pocket like a wallet. Problem is police departments do not authorize it for off-duty carry.

You have to dress for what you are carrying.

A pair of cargo shorts and a button down short sleeve shirt will adequately conceal any caliber handgun carried in an inside the waistband holster

 

[Natural Citizen]

Even if he had a concealed carry permit he was in violation of the law as it was evident that he was carrying

Illinois Gun Laws: The Latest CCW Information (updated for 2018)

Open carrying a handgun on your person or in a vehicle with or without a license in Illinois is illegal. Even if you have a concealed permit you still cannot legally open carry.



The handgun must be concealed from view of the public.

Here's the problem in Illinois.


Constitution of the State of Illinois...

ARTICLE I
BILL OF RIGHTS
SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS
Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


See anything wrong with that?

I do. All it does is define a path to which Illinois can strip away what the constitution clearly says shall not be infringed.

Article 1, Section 22 of the Illinois Constitution makes every law cited in this thread that has been offered in defense of the public execution redundant in scope. And it's a very, very, dangerous concept to be defending in any way, shape, or form.

The Framers are probably rolling over in their graves. They have to be.

One thing is for sure, however. The dead man's 2nd amendment right was ''Subject only to the police power'' like a mofo on that day. What the heck ever happened to shall not infringe. It used to mean something. Of course, now we live in a take guns first and give due process later kind of America. Somebody was saying that very thing a while back as I recall. And the people loved him for it. Crazy. Absolutely nuts. All one can do is laugh at this point.