What do liberals want the US to be?

This coming from the moron with 78,000 worthless posts.

Still hurting from last month ?

You'll get over it...until 2016.
I took the election well once I realized Republicans will do nothing with their short lived control of the Senate.
The Dems will take both the whotehouse and Senate in 2016 and things will return to normal

Keep up the wet dream.

It makes it easier for us when we cream you ass in 2016.

You can kiss Obamacare good-bye.

We are just getting started.
Just what I expect out of conservatives....thinking 2014 was a validation of their policies

See how you do in a presidential election cycle with a weak candidate and having to defend 24 senate seats

Then you can start whining about voter fraud again

Did I say it was a validation of policies ?

Let me know when you can produce the quote that shows I said it.

I won't be holding my breath.

The truth is that people are fed up with both sides. Fortunately, they think you suck more than we do.

As for a weak candidate, let's hope you are betting on Clinton. She'll be lucky to see the light of day.

Defending 24 seats won't be hard. In fact, we'll pick up Nevada.

You only had to defend ten Senate seats last time. Try 24 with over half in blues states.
Like I said cockiness by conservatives will be their undoing, just like 2012

Republicans are reaching the point where they can barely reach 270 under ideal conditions. 2016 will hardly be ideal for the GOP

Not worried at all.

We are barely organized.

And we still got a Colorado senate seat.

See you in 2016.

You were the one who posted "Not so fast republicans". Seems you'd learn to keep your foot out of your mouth.
 
Which policies payed off?
Civil rights, women's rights, worker protections, social security, Medicare, affirmative action

Which of the policies you listed are exclusive to "liberals" or accomplished the goals to the extent the problem has been solved?

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I think the problem with modern liberalism is it doesn't have a coherent vision of anything. It is thoroughly materialistic and nihilistic. Though I would say the same of modern "conservativsm".
 
The US Constitution.

As for voting, for President I voted for:

Reagan, HW, (then left the party), Perot, Browne, Browne, Nader, Romney. Nope, once again you're clueless, but then you are FooledByO. I wasn't, not after for years of Obama delivering on his Marxist promises, which is why I did vote Republican for the first time since I left the party. Not a pattern I plan to continue. Democrats would help if you'd stop nominating Marxists. Obviously you aren't in favor of doing that.


Sure Bubba, sure

You're so stupid it's funny. The point of this discussion is I mocked you for saying Republicans are Black and White. And you're repeating, duh, dar, you're not a Democrat (true) so you're a Republican (false). Drool, there are nothing but Republicans and Democrats, so if you're not a Democrat you have to be a Republican? What are you talking about?

That's your answer to my mocking you for being black and white, that you are black and white? Classic. What a moron.

Sure Bubba, sure

There are 2 parties (PERIOD, NO 3rd party since 1992 has done squat) the US. Weird how SOOOOOO many conservatives don't support either party, lol

Libertarians are frauds and parasites. Period

We are parasites, not wanting government money. LOL. you are a tool.

Yeah, I just love that "logic." Of course, it's just another example of the liberal propaganda technique where they accuse their critics of everything they are guilty of.


Libertarians are frauds and parasites but unfortunately have been successful in hiding their dangerous disease under war hating, and freedom loving. Sadly their freedom isn't freedom, it is chaos and opens the door to a real loss of democracy.



They unwittingly use the protections, benefits and accomplishments government has to offer to create their fortunes, while pompously declaring they did it all on their own.

Clueless igets, everyone.
 
The Dems will take both the whotehouse and Senate in 2016 and things will return to normal

Keep up the wet dream.
It makes it easier for us when we cream you ass in 2016.
You can kiss Obamacare good-bye.
We are just getting started.

Just what I expect out of conservatives....thinking 2014 was a validation of their policies...

Nah, it wasn't validation of anything. It was a resounding REPUDIATION of liberal policies and as a result we are already seeing the more conservative (read: less stupid) Dems breaking ranks with their idiot brethren.
 
Yes, policies like GUTTING revenues from 20%+ of GDP to below 15% (25%+ drop) don't matter, OR UNFUNDED wars or UNFUNDED Medicare expansions right? Or 'job creator' policies that failed? Or 'home ownership society' programs that Dubya cheered on, WITHOUT regulators on the beat?


What have Democrats ever passed that is "funded?"


ACA.

You gonna compare Dubya/GOP to the Dems? SERIOUSLY? lol

"Starving the beast" is a political strategy employed by American conservatives in order to limit government spending by cutting taxes in order to deprive the government of revenue in a deliberate effort to force the federal government to reduce spending.


Before his election as President, then-candidate Ronald Reagan foreshadowed the strategy during the 1980 US Presidential debates, saying "John Anderson tells us that first we've got to reduce spending before we can reduce taxes. Well, if you've got a kid that's extravagant, you can lecture him all you want to about his extravagance. Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same end much quicker."

Starve the beast - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nope, the ACA is not funded. When the CBO scored it, then used 10 years worth of revenues to pay for years worth of benefits. Furthermore, they raided Medicare and counted the revenue twice. The ACA is the biggest con ever perpetrated against the American public. Gruber admitted it.

More right wing garbage. Shocking. Either it's the biggest tax increase you K/K/klowns say it is or not. Can't have it both ways. No it wasn't 10 years to pay for 1 year liar. Raided Medicare? Oh the same money the GOP used for tax cuts, slowing down the pay out to docs and hospitals (RATE OF GROWTH). Gawd I'm shocked not one thing you said was truthful, lol

I meant to say for 6 years of benefits, but I posted a typo. That is exactly what the ACA con artists did. A for the rest of your swill, I leave the rest of the forum to laugh at it.

Sure it's 6 years *shaking head*

Obamacare law was ‘funded’ and expected to save billions; not so for Medicare Part D


Alan Auerbach, an economist at the University of California-Berkeley and research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research (a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization), told us by email, "It's certainly true that the ACA was funded while Medicare Part D was not."


...Auerbach said, "The ACA was funded in the sense that taxes were increased to pay for the estimated expenditure cost. Medicare Part D provided a new benefit with a substantial long-run cost... and did not raise any taxes."

...As for the Obamacare law, the CBO said in a May 14, 2013, blog post that its most recent prediction of the act’s total budget impact was a July 24, 2012, estimate that repealing the law could raise the federal deficit by $109 billion ($111 billion in 2013 dollars) from 2013 through 2022.

Obamacare law was funded and expected to save billions not so for Medicare Part D PolitiFact Texas
 
kaz said:
Gotcha FooledByO, wanting to keep that which you earned is "selfishness" and taking what you didn't by force is generosity. Actually, it's armed robbery.

Yeah, you didn't 'earn' the money because of the system WE set up right? No, it was just working harder. NOT like the US system helped at all. Read BF quote again dumbass, then go to China or Russia and do it!!!

Bull, you did nothing to "set up" the system. I created my company, I funded "the system." You are just a parasite.


Right, you didn't BENEFIT from our roads, schools, military, etc.

Fukkking dumbass, go do it in a 3rd world nation then!!

That isn't what I said, Einstein. You had nothing to do with roads, schools and the military. I funded those. Businesses drive our economy. You had nothing to do with providing them. Illiteracy sucks. If you went to college, you should sue them to get your money back.
First George W. Bush's SEC let Wall Street run a $516 trillion dollar derivatives based Ponzi scheme that destroyed the world economy in 2008.

Then Republicans on the Supreme Court voted to allow unlimited secret campaign contributions in the Citizens United decision.

Then Republicans in the House shut down the government and threatened the country with default.

Why would anyone vote for a party that hates government and continually tries to damage our country?

Ask them..they just threw your ass out of the senate.
just a mere handful did....it was the lowest participation in an election in 40 years.... all liberals have to do in 2016 is show up to vote, then your ass is grass again.... but you all know that, this is why the republicans always focus on reducing the numbers that vote, like gvt picture voter id laws and reducing the number of days early voting is available and reducing the hours of early voting, and reducing the number of voting machines in crowded democratic districts, and telling students they should stay home election day, and promoting that women shouldn't vote etc etc etc etc....

IT'S ALL ABOUT trying to STOP citizens from voting for Republicans....they know it is the only way they can win...

Sorry to break it to you, but it's a handful either way.

Let's see fact based evidence of your claims.

You really think you lost Colorado because the GOP blocked voting ?

Please, run for office.....you'd make it easy for us.
I didn't say they won because they BLOCKED voting in the past election, you made that up yourself....
 
Already failing under it's own weight.

That's what you clowns said about social security and medicare, and guess what, they are both still here.

Social Security will eventually go to a hand to mouth set up when the surplus goes away.

It won't go bankrupt. But all the seniors you've duped into living on 1000/month will be living on 759/month.

That's a raging success.
 
Which policies payed off?
Civil rights, women's rights, worker protections, social security, Medicare, affirmative action

Which of the policies you listed are exclusive to "liberals" or accomplished the goals to the extent the problem has been solved?

.
Let me see?

ummmmmm........Looks like all of them

Well it is obvious you are blind ... And have nothing to complain about if that is what you believe.

.
 
kaz said:
Gotcha FooledByO, wanting to keep that which you earned is "selfishness" and taking what you didn't by force is generosity. Actually, it's armed robbery.

Yeah, you didn't 'earn' the money because of the system WE set up right? No, it was just working harder. NOT like the US system helped at all. Read BF quote again dumbass, then go to China or Russia and do it!!!

Bull, you did nothing to "set up" the system. I created my company, I funded "the system." You are just a parasite.


Right, you didn't BENEFIT from our roads, schools, military, etc.

Fukkking dumbass, go do it in a 3rd world nation then!!

That isn't what I said, Einstein. You had nothing to do with roads, schools and the military. I funded those. Businesses drive our economy. You had nothing to do with providing them. Illiteracy sucks. If you went to college, you should sue them to get your money back.
First George W. Bush's SEC let Wall Street run a $516 trillion dollar derivatives based Ponzi scheme that destroyed the world economy in 2008.

Then Republicans on the Supreme Court voted to allow unlimited secret campaign contributions in the Citizens United decision.

Then Republicans in the House shut down the government and threatened the country with default.

Why would anyone vote for a party that hates government and continually tries to damage our country?

Ask them..they just threw your ass out of the senate.
just a mere handful did....it was the lowest participation in an election in 40 years.... all liberals have to do in 2016 is show up to vote, then your ass is grass again.... but you all know that, this is why the republicans always focus on reducing the numbers that vote, like gvt picture voter id laws and reducing the number of days early voting is available and reducing the hours of early voting, and reducing the number of voting machines in crowded democratic districts, and telling students they should stay home election day, and promoting that women shouldn't vote etc etc etc etc....

IT'S ALL ABOUT trying to STOP citizens from voting for Republicans....they know it is the only way they can win...

Sorry to break it to you, but it's a handful either way.

Let's see fact based evidence of your claims.

You really think you lost Colorado because the GOP blocked voting ?

Please, run for office.....you'd make it easy for us.
I didn't say they won because they BLOCKED voting, you made that up yourself....

Then you can explain the democrats loss of a key senate seat in Colorado.

Looking forward to it.
 
Liberals want the US to be a socialist paradise just like North Korea or Cuba. They would think things are peachy keen if we were the old East Germany or Soviet Union. That is how those idiots think.

They don't want to be burdened with having to earn their own way so in their greed they want everything given to them in the name of social justice or some bullshit like that.

Then they wonder why we call them Moon Bats.


If you check out the John Birch Society, you will find their goals and philosophy are about the same as The Tea Party...The only difference is, this is 2014 with a catchy name, and tons of money to influence people/elections

So which of their goals do you disagree with, freedom, fiscal responsibility? We already know you disapprove of low taxes and cutting government spending.

Sure, they 'believe in' fiscal responsibility and freedom, lol

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This coming from the moron with 78,000 worthless posts.

Still hurting from last month ?

You'll get over it...until 2016.
I took the election well once I realized Republicans will do nothing with their short lived control of the Senate.
The Dems will take both the whotehouse and Senate in 2016 and things will return to normal

Keep up the wet dream.

It makes it easier for us when we cream you ass in 2016.

You can kiss Obamacare good-bye.

We are just getting started.
Just what I expect out of conservatives....thinking 2014 was a validation of their policies

See how you do in a presidential election cycle with a weak candidate and having to defend 24 senate seats

Then you can start whining about voter fraud again

Did I say it was a validation of policies ?

Let me know when you can produce the quote that shows I said it.

I won't be holding my breath.

The truth is that people are fed up with both sides. Fortunately, they think you suck more than we do.

As for a weak candidate, let's hope you are betting on Clinton. She'll be lucky to see the light of day.

Defending 24 seats won't be hard. In fact, we'll pick up Nevada.

You only had to defend ten Senate seats last time. Try 24 with over half in blues states.
Like I said cockiness by conservatives will be their undoing, just like 2012

Republicans are reaching the point where they can barely reach 270 under ideal conditions. 2016 will hardly be ideal for the GOP

Coattails.
Presidential coattails is about the only way Dems can win the House or Senate. If a Repub wins the White House in 2016, they will win all three.
 
Yeah, you didn't 'earn' the money because of the system WE set up right? No, it was just working harder. NOT like the US system helped at all. Read BF quote again dumbass, then go to China or Russia and do it!!!

Bull, you did nothing to "set up" the system. I created my company, I funded "the system." You are just a parasite.


Right, you didn't BENEFIT from our roads, schools, military, etc.

Fukkking dumbass, go do it in a 3rd world nation then!!

That isn't what I said, Einstein. You had nothing to do with roads, schools and the military. I funded those. Businesses drive our economy. You had nothing to do with providing them. Illiteracy sucks. If you went to college, you should sue them to get your money back.
First George W. Bush's SEC let Wall Street run a $516 trillion dollar derivatives based Ponzi scheme that destroyed the world economy in 2008.

Then Republicans on the Supreme Court voted to allow unlimited secret campaign contributions in the Citizens United decision.

Then Republicans in the House shut down the government and threatened the country with default.

Why would anyone vote for a party that hates government and continually tries to damage our country?

Ask them..they just threw your ass out of the senate.
just a mere handful did....it was the lowest participation in an election in 40 years.... all liberals have to do in 2016 is show up to vote, then your ass is grass again.... but you all know that, this is why the republicans always focus on reducing the numbers that vote, like gvt picture voter id laws and reducing the number of days early voting is available and reducing the hours of early voting, and reducing the number of voting machines in crowded democratic districts, and telling students they should stay home election day, and promoting that women shouldn't vote etc etc etc etc....

IT'S ALL ABOUT trying to STOP citizens from voting for Republicans....they know it is the only way they can win...

Sorry to break it to you, but it's a handful either way.

Let's see fact based evidence of your claims.

You really think you lost Colorado because the GOP blocked voting ?

Please, run for office.....you'd make it easy for us.
I didn't say they won because they BLOCKED voting, you made that up yourself....
Then you can explain the democrats loss of a key senate seat in Colorado.

Looking forward to it.

i know nothing about colorado, and i was not speaking about colorado, so what's your point?
 
Liberals want the US to be a socialist paradise just like North Korea or Cuba. They would think things are peachy keen if we were the old East Germany or Soviet Union. That is how those idiots think.

They don't want to be burdened with having to earn their own way so in their greed they want everything given to them in the name of social justice or some bullshit like that.

Then they wonder why we call them Moon Bats.


If you check out the John Birch Society, you will find their goals and philosophy are about the same as The Tea Party...The only difference is, this is 2014 with a catchy name, and tons of money to influence people/elections

So which of their goals do you disagree with, freedom, fiscal responsibility? We already know you disapprove of low taxes and cutting government spending.

I believe that we should have the minimum government possible. Defense, courts, police etc. No welfare, subsidies, entitlements or bailouts. The government should not be in the business of taking money from one person and giving it to another. The despicable Liberals want the corrupt and incompetent government to be an agent of what they call "social justice" which is absolutely unacceptable.




Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."


Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html





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Sure, they 'believe in' fiscal responsibility and freedom, lol

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So in the Liberal World if you can't pay your bills you print more money (debt in our case)...

In the Conservatives World you quit spending until you can afford it...

I know this is too simple to comprehend...

 
what specifically do liberals want the US to become



Glad you asked.

I want the United States of America to become what it once was. I want us to be the manufacture of choice
for everything technical and the supplier to the rest of the world for inventions and technology of the future.

Though I am in no way what you seem to consider a liberal to be, that's what I want. And the requirements in education and training go hand and hand with my objectives. So we have to become better in education and training again.

Like it used to be.
Yep, that's what I want.
 

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