What do liberals want the US to be?

[zeke]

"What this great nation really, really needs is a much, much smarter "conservative" Republican". zeke



seeing's how we'er doing quotes.

 

[bripat9643]

funny how libs always resort to juvenile insults when defeated by facts, logic, and common sense.

None of which you have ever been capable of presenting, asswipe.

Yes, your mind is open. As soon as anyone disproves liberalism without contradicting the inherent truth of liberalism, then you will get it and change your view.

Liberals, like me, founded this nation. If you don't like then get the fuck out of country.

ROFL no they were not like you.

I'm a lot smarter than they were but we roll the same way, into the future, not into the past.

Wrong, you aren't smarter. You don't roll the same way at all. THey believed in capitalism and private property. You believe in socialism and looting.

 

[Dad2three]

None of which you have ever been capable of presenting, asswipe.

Yes, your mind is open. As soon as anyone disproves liberalism without contradicting the inherent truth of liberalism, then you will get it and change your view.

Liberals, like me, founded this nation. If you don't like then get the fuck out of country.

ROFL no they were not like you.

I'm a lot smarter than they were but we roll the same way, into the future, not into the past.

Wrong, you aren't smarter. You don't roll the same way at all. THey believed in capitalism and private property. You believe in socialism and looting.

Sure where do I find that in the US Constitution?

They sure didn't 'believe in' Adam Smith's or laizze affaire capitalism Bubba

 

[Dad2three]

"What this great nation really, really needs is a much, much smarter "conservative" Republican". zeke



seeing's how we'er doing quotes.

Not 'smarter' just some who are honest and will not willfully deceive themselves because of their ideology.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, your mind is open. As soon as anyone disproves liberalism without contradicting the inherent truth of liberalism, then you will get it and change your view.

Liberals, like me, founded this nation. If you don't like then get the fuck out of country.

ROFL no they were not like you.

I'm a lot smarter than they were but we roll the same way, into the future, not into the past.

Wrong, you aren't smarter. You don't roll the same way at all. THey believed in capitalism and private property. You believe in socialism and looting.

Sure where do I find that in the US Constitution?

They sure didn't 'believe in' Adam Smith's or laizze affaire capitalism Bubba

Sure they did. Many of the Founding Fathers are known to have read "The wealth of Nations." The also passed the 5th Amendment which prevents the government from expropriating your property. They also included no provisions in the Constitution for the federal government to regulate private businesses.

 

[Dad2three]

Liberals, like me, founded this nation. If you don't like then get the fuck out of country.

ROFL no they were not like you.

I'm a lot smarter than they were but we roll the same way, into the future, not into the past.

Wrong, you aren't smarter. You don't roll the same way at all. THey believed in capitalism and private property. You believe in socialism and looting.

Sure where do I find that in the US Constitution?

They sure didn't 'believe in' Adam Smith's or laizze affaire capitalism Bubba

Sure they did. Many of the Founding Fathers are known to have read "The wealth of Nations." The also passed the 5th Amendment which prevents the government from expropriating your property. They also included no provisions in the Constitution for the federal government to regulate private businesses.

Known to have READ??? lol

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation

Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.


The goal, most forcefully articulated by Hamilton, was to ensure that dearly won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe.


The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce, was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny.


American School economics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html


"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."
Thomas Jefferson

 

[MaxGrit]

ROFL no they were not like you.

I'm a lot smarter than they were but we roll the same way, into the future, not into the past.

Wrong, you aren't smarter. You don't roll the same way at all. THey believed in capitalism and private property. You believe in socialism and looting.

Sure where do I find that in the US Constitution?

They sure didn't 'believe in' Adam Smith's or laizze affaire capitalism Bubba

Sure they did. Many of the Founding Fathers are known to have read "The wealth of Nations." The also passed the 5th Amendment which prevents the government from expropriating your property. They also included no provisions in the Constitution for the federal government to regulate private businesses.

Known to have READ??? lol

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation

Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.


The goal, most forcefully articulated by Hamilton, was to ensure that dearly won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe.


The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce, was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny.


American School economics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html


"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."
Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson know that a small government, whose main job is protection of its people and their God given rights of life, liberty, and property, is the best way to secure the greatest degree of happiness for the people.

 

[rightwinger]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

What he really means is: Take from those that do, and give to those that don't.
In it's simplest form, this is liberalism today.

Sounds more like conservative....I got mine, fuck everyone else

Good thing the one present have Republicans protecting their interests

 

[PaintMyHouse]

None of which you have ever been capable of presenting, asswipe.

Yes, your mind is open. As soon as anyone disproves liberalism without contradicting the inherent truth of liberalism, then you will get it and change your view.

Liberals, like me, founded this nation. If you don't like then get the fuck out of country.

ROFL no they were not like you.

I'm a lot smarter than they were but we roll the same way, into the future, not into the past.

Wrong, you aren't smarter. You don't roll the same way at all. THey believed in capitalism and private property. You believe in socialism and looting.

Hey dummy, I'm a capitalist who believes in private property. And what you believe they believed will undoubtedly be wrong.

Do try to remember that part of their capitalism was the importation and sales of other human beings known as salves, who did not have rights or freedom. Pretty ironic considering.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I'm a lot smarter than they were but we roll the same way, into the future, not into the past.

Wrong, you aren't smarter. You don't roll the same way at all. THey believed in capitalism and private property. You believe in socialism and looting.

Sure where do I find that in the US Constitution?

They sure didn't 'believe in' Adam Smith's or laizze affaire capitalism Bubba

Sure they did. Many of the Founding Fathers are known to have read "The wealth of Nations." The also passed the 5th Amendment which prevents the government from expropriating your property. They also included no provisions in the Constitution for the federal government to regulate private businesses.

Known to have READ??? lol

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation

Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.


The goal, most forcefully articulated by Hamilton, was to ensure that dearly won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe.


The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce, was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny.


American School economics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html


"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."
Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson know that a small government, whose main job is protection of its people and their God given rights of life, liberty, and property, is the best way to secure the greatest degree of happiness for the people.

You don't get rights from God, or nature, you get then from men, in this case Liberal men. And rights are what you can get enforced. All the rest of bullshit pie in the sky, like your God actually.

 

[bripat9643]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

What he really means is: Take from those that do, and give to those that don't.
In it's simplest form, this is liberalism today.

Sounds more like conservative....I got mine, fuck everyone else

Good thing the one present have Republicans protecting their interests

And the liberal mantra is "gibs me dat!" You're nothing but a bunch of prehensile thugs.

 

[kaz]

I'm a capitalist

And I'm gumby. So you post all day that government is the solution to our problems, but at heart you believe in economic freedom? Which you continuously try to end? LOL. Talk about self deluded.

 

[Dad2three]

I'm a lot smarter than they were but we roll the same way, into the future, not into the past.

Wrong, you aren't smarter. You don't roll the same way at all. THey believed in capitalism and private property. You believe in socialism and looting.

Sure where do I find that in the US Constitution?

They sure didn't 'believe in' Adam Smith's or laizze affaire capitalism Bubba

Sure they did. Many of the Founding Fathers are known to have read "The wealth of Nations." The also passed the 5th Amendment which prevents the government from expropriating your property. They also included no provisions in the Constitution for the federal government to regulate private businesses.

Known to have READ??? lol

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation

Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.


The goal, most forcefully articulated by Hamilton, was to ensure that dearly won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe.


The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce, was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny.


American School economics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html


"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."
Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson know that a small government, whose main job is protection of its people and their God given rights of life, liberty, and property, is the best way to secure the greatest degree of happiness for the people.

Jefferson the guy who got rid of the small states rights thing for the federal Gov't thing?

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yeild, and government to gain ground." TJ

 

[Dad2three]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

What he really means is: Take from those that do, and give to those that don't.
In it's simplest form, this is liberalism today.

Sounds more like conservative....I got mine, fuck everyone else

Good thing the one present have Republicans protecting their interests

And the liberal mantra is "gibs me dat!" You're nothing but a bunch of prehensile thugs.

Libertarians are frauds and parasites but unfortunately have been successful in hiding their dangerous disease under war hating, and freedom loving. Sadly their freedom isn't freedom, it is chaos and opens the door to a real loss of democracy.

They unwittingly use the protections, benefits and accomplishments government has to offer to create their fortunes, while pompously declaring they did it all on their own.

Clueless igets, everyone.

 

[Dad2three]

I'm a capitalist

And I'm gumby. So you post all day that government is the solution to our problems, but at heart you believe in economic freedom? Which you continuously try to end? LOL. Talk about self deluded.

"believe in economic freedom"

The right to race to the bottom as fast as we can so a few thousand people can become filthy rich and the US can look like the 3rd world nation the US was BEFORE PROGRESSIVE policies pulled US out of that!

 

[RKMBrown]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

What he really means is: Take from those that do, and give to those that don't.
In it's simplest form, this is liberalism today.

Sounds more like conservative....I got mine, fuck everyone else

Good thing the one present have Republicans protecting their interests

Sounds like a liberal, you earned yours, fuck you I'm stealing it.

 

[Dad2three]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

What he really means is: Take from those that do, and give to those that don't.
In it's simplest form, this is liberalism today.

Sounds more like conservative....I got mine, fuck everyone else

Good thing the one present have Republicans protecting their interests

Sounds like a liberal, you earned yours, fuck you I'm stealing it.

Conservatives simplistic minds

If you are rich it is because of your merits. If you are poor its because of your faults.

 

[bripat9643]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

What he really means is: Take from those that do, and give to those that don't.
In it's simplest form, this is liberalism today.

Sounds more like conservative....I got mine, fuck everyone else

Good thing the one present have Republicans protecting their interests

Sounds like a liberal, you earned yours, fuck you I'm stealing it.

Conservatives simplistic minds

If you are rich it is because of your merits. If you are poor its because of your faults.

Why is that so hard to believe?

 

[bripat9643]

I'm a capitalist

And I'm gumby. So you post all day that government is the solution to our problems, but at heart you believe in economic freedom? Which you continuously try to end? LOL. Talk about self deluded.

"believe in economic freedom"

The right to race to the bottom as fast as we can so a few thousand people can become filthy rich and the US can look like the 3rd world nation the US was BEFORE PROGRESSIVE policies pulled US out of that!

In other words, you believe in looting.

 

[Vigilante]