What do liberals want the US to be?

[PaintMyHouse]

Liberals, like me, founded this nation. If you don't like then get the fuck out of country.

ROFL no they were not like you.

I'm a lot smarter than they were but we roll the same way, into the future, not into the past.

OMG, we've been doing this ourselves. I just realized, government does it better! They make better choices! Socialism creates more capitalism than capitalism! They ended poverty, discrimination, unfairness! Healthcare is now cheaper while providing better care to everyone! Women don't need abortions anymore, no one wants to have sex without having access to birth control It's fantastic guys! Government makes kitty litter not smell and the kitchen floor not sticky! It's great! I'm so smart for realizing it!

Yeah, sure you are, Einstein.

Yep, you're a total fucking moron. Carry on asshole.

I'm just looking at the reality of "liberal" and you're still going by the marketing literature.

You don't have a fucking clue little man. Go jerk off to the Fountainhead again.

 

[kaz]

230 years made them reverse positions on every issue and want to maximize rather than minimize government, so you are like them, and people who actually support what they did are nothing like them, we are "reactionary, like the dumbest of Americans." The people who think what they did, that government power should be limited and divided with the States.

You need to type your crap down and read it sometimes before you click enter. Like here.

What they did matters very fucking little now dummy. They were men not gods. It's written on paper not carved in stone. It can be changed, the entire form of government can be changed, they expected us to make changes which you would know if you'd learn about them beyond your Ayn Rand Sunday School Americanism.

No idea what that's supposed to mean. I support what they wrote, you oppose everything they wrote. But you are saying that because you use the name liberal, you are their heir, even though you oppose all their views. Got anything related to that?

You don't support shit, and you don't know shit. No Liberal looks back 230 years and says Hey, let's live just like they did you fucking dummy. That's what makes you a reactionary, and a fucking stupid one.

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

I'm doing nothing of the kind and it's my fucking country so if you don't like then get out!

Again showing clearly that I am the liberal, not you.

 

[kaz]

ROFL no they were not like you.

I'm a lot smarter than they were but we roll the same way, into the future, not into the past.

OMG, we've been doing this ourselves. I just realized, government does it better! They make better choices! Socialism creates more capitalism than capitalism! They ended poverty, discrimination, unfairness! Healthcare is now cheaper while providing better care to everyone! Women don't need abortions anymore, no one wants to have sex without having access to birth control It's fantastic guys! Government makes kitty litter not smell and the kitchen floor not sticky! It's great! I'm so smart for realizing it!

Yeah, sure you are, Einstein.

Yep, you're a total fucking moron. Carry on asshole.

I'm just looking at the reality of "liberal" and you're still going by the marketing literature.

You don't have a fucking clue little man. Go jerk off to the Fountainhead again.

Socialism has a perfect record, it has never worked. Yet to you it's still blue skies and your farts smelling like lilacs. As I said, you are reading the marketing literature and not recognizing the alligator infested swamp you just bought.

 

[gipper]

What they did matters very fucking little now dummy. They were men not gods. It's written on paper not carved in stone. It can be changed, the entire form of government can be changed, they expected us to make changes which you would know if you'd learn about them beyond your Ayn Rand Sunday School Americanism.

No idea what that's supposed to mean. I support what they wrote, you oppose everything they wrote. But you are saying that because you use the name liberal, you are their heir, even though you oppose all their views. Got anything related to that?

You don't support shit, and you don't know shit. No Liberal looks back 230 years and says Hey, let's live just like they did you fucking dummy. That's what makes you a reactionary, and a fucking stupid one.

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

I'm doing nothing of the kind and it's my fucking country so if you don't like then get out!

Again showing clearly that I am the liberal, not you.

Many if not most American leftists/liberals, see the big unlimited US gov as a force for good.

As such, they have chosen to ignore thousands of years of proof, that such a belief is not only foolish, but not based in reality.

How does one effectively debate those who refuse to accept reality?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I'm a lot smarter than they were but we roll the same way, into the future, not into the past.

OMG, we've been doing this ourselves. I just realized, government does it better! They make better choices! Socialism creates more capitalism than capitalism! They ended poverty, discrimination, unfairness! Healthcare is now cheaper while providing better care to everyone! Women don't need abortions anymore, no one wants to have sex without having access to birth control It's fantastic guys! Government makes kitty litter not smell and the kitchen floor not sticky! It's great! I'm so smart for realizing it!

Yeah, sure you are, Einstein.

Yep, you're a total fucking moron. Carry on asshole.

I'm just looking at the reality of "liberal" and you're still going by the marketing literature.

You don't have a fucking clue little man. Go jerk off to the Fountainhead again.

Hey dumbass, socialism works all over the fucking world, even here, and it's not what I'm after but I don't get my water from a fucking stream or shit in the woods anymore either. Go back to your fantasyland, that even the bitch god of you mentality wasn't able to live up to.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No idea what that's supposed to mean. I support what they wrote, you oppose everything they wrote. But you are saying that because you use the name liberal, you are their heir, even though you oppose all their views. Got anything related to that?

You don't support shit, and you don't know shit. No Liberal looks back 230 years and says Hey, let's live just like they did you fucking dummy. That's what makes you a reactionary, and a fucking stupid one.

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

I'm doing nothing of the kind and it's my fucking country so if you don't like then get out!

Again showing clearly that I am the liberal, not you.

Many if not most American leftists/liberals, see the big unlimited US gov as a force for good.

As such, they have chosen to ignore thousands of years of proof, that such a belief is not only foolish, but not based in reality.

How does one effectively debate those who refuse to accept reality?

Dumbass, you throw your vote away on people saying nonsense with no chance to ever get elected. You believe in shit that no country in world uses to manage their nation. Reality is not you fucking friend so you ignore it, completely.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

What they did matters very fucking little now dummy. They were men not gods. It's written on paper not carved in stone. It can be changed, the entire form of government can be changed, they expected us to make changes which you would know if you'd learn about them beyond your Ayn Rand Sunday School Americanism.

No idea what that's supposed to mean. I support what they wrote, you oppose everything they wrote. But you are saying that because you use the name liberal, you are their heir, even though you oppose all their views. Got anything related to that?

You don't support shit, and you don't know shit. No Liberal looks back 230 years and says Hey, let's live just like they did you fucking dummy. That's what makes you a reactionary, and a fucking stupid one.

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

I'm doing nothing of the kind and it's my fucking country so if you don't like then get out!

Again showing clearly that I am the liberal, not you.

You are nothing like a Liberal. You are selfish child, out only for number one, noting more.

 

[gipper]

You don't support shit, and you don't know shit. No Liberal looks back 230 years and says Hey, let's live just like they did you fucking dummy. That's what makes you a reactionary, and a fucking stupid one.

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

I'm doing nothing of the kind and it's my fucking country so if you don't like then get out!

Again showing clearly that I am the liberal, not you.

Many if not most American leftists/liberals, see the big unlimited US gov as a force for good.

As such, they have chosen to ignore thousands of years of proof, that such a belief is not only foolish, but not based in reality.

How does one effectively debate those who refuse to accept reality?

Dumbass, you throw your vote away on people saying nonsense with no chance to ever get elected. You believe in shit that no country in world uses to manage their nation. Reality is not you fucking friend so you ignore it, completely.

It is not about me. It is about you and your kind.

 

[Dad2three]

MORE bullshit. Shocking., THE SUBSIDIES are covered by Gov't. Doesn't matter WHERE you are on the line, the lower you are, the more GOV'T SUBSIDY GOES TO THE INSURANCE COMP!!!!

damn but you are stupid. the govt has to collect the money, or borrow it, before it can pay it to the insurance companies as subsidies. The govt has only 3 sources of money--------1. taxes, 2. borrowing, 3. printing.

You agree then, insurance comps aren't subsidizing the poor. Thanks

of course they are subsidizing the poor, do you know what the word "subsidy" means?

Why wouldn't we want to subsidize the poor on something as important as healthcare

Have you no soul?

we always have, no one in the USA was denied medical care before ACA, NO ONE.

being uninsured did not mean being untreated. ACA accomplished nothing.

And you have zero honesty. Got it. The commenter Bripat started this NONSENSE that insurance Comps were SUBSIDIZING the poor, NOT the Gov't subsidizing them and paying the insurance Comp's the FULL rates... lol'

 

[Dad2three]

Well you are a pussy, so I guess we should use the ignore button on you.

funny how libs always resort to juvenile insults when defeated by facts, logic, and common sense.

None of which you have ever been capable of presenting, asswipe.

Yes, your mind is open. As soon as anyone disproves liberalism without contradicting the inherent truth of liberalism, then you will get it and change your view.

Liberals, like me, founded this nation. If you don't like then get the fuck out of country.

The liberals who founded this nation were nothing like you. Today we are libertarians. You only use the word.

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."

Thomas Jefferson

 

[kaz]

No idea what that's supposed to mean. I support what they wrote, you oppose everything they wrote. But you are saying that because you use the name liberal, you are their heir, even though you oppose all their views. Got anything related to that?

You don't support shit, and you don't know shit. No Liberal looks back 230 years and says Hey, let's live just like they did you fucking dummy. That's what makes you a reactionary, and a fucking stupid one.

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

I'm doing nothing of the kind and it's my fucking country so if you don't like then get out!

Again showing clearly that I am the liberal, not you.

You are nothing like a Liberal. You are selfish child, out only for number one, noting more.

So we're in kindergarten and you're trying to grab my pencils because I brought more than you and you're whinging that I am selfish.

 

[Dad2three]

MORE bullshit. Shocking., THE SUBSIDIES are covered by Gov't. Doesn't matter WHERE you are on the line, the lower you are, the more GOV'T SUBSIDY GOES TO THE INSURANCE COMP!!!!

damn but you are stupid. the govt has to collect the money, or borrow it, before it can pay it to the insurance companies as subsidies. The govt has only 3 sources of money--------1. taxes, 2. borrowing, 3. printing.

You agree then, insurance comps aren't subsidizing the poor. Thanks

of course they are subsidizing the poor, do you know what the word "subsidy" means?

Why wouldn't we want to subsidize the poor on something as important as healthcare

Have you no soul?

So why don't you take a crowbar to your own wallet and do it instead of passing the buck to the most wasteful, incompetent solution, government? Have you no soul?

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."

Thomas Jefferson


YOUR TYPE WANTED SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION, lol

 

[Dad2three]

You don't support shit, and you don't know shit. No Liberal looks back 230 years and says Hey, let's live just like they did you fucking dummy. That's what makes you a reactionary, and a fucking stupid one.

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

I'm doing nothing of the kind and it's my fucking country so if you don't like then get out!

Again showing clearly that I am the liberal, not you.

You are nothing like a Liberal. You are selfish child, out only for number one, noting more.

So we're in kindergarten and you're trying to grab my pencils because I brought more than you and you're whinging that I am selfish.

Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father, American diplomat, statesman, and scientist; letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783:

"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You don't support shit, and you don't know shit. No Liberal looks back 230 years and says Hey, let's live just like they did you fucking dummy. That's what makes you a reactionary, and a fucking stupid one.

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

I'm doing nothing of the kind and it's my fucking country so if you don't like then get out!

Again showing clearly that I am the liberal, not you.

You are nothing like a Liberal. You are selfish child, out only for number one, noting more.

So we're in kindergarten and you're trying to grab my pencils because I brought more than you and you're whinging that I am selfish.

There is no kindergarten, that's government oppression and your parents are just what you like, people who wouldn't make a child do anything they didn't want to, including go to school or learn how to use a pencil.

 

[kaz]

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

I'm doing nothing of the kind and it's my fucking country so if you don't like then get out!

Again showing clearly that I am the liberal, not you.

You are nothing like a Liberal. You are selfish child, out only for number one, noting more.

So we're in kindergarten and you're trying to grab my pencils because I brought more than you and you're whinging that I am selfish.

There is no kindergarten, that's government oppression and your parents are just what you like, people who wouldn't make a child do anything they didn't want to, including go to school or learn how to use a pencil.

What you smokin, guy?

 

[Dad2three]

I know it dumbass, my people wrote it, only we 230 years smarter than they were. They created the government that fit their needs and we are doing the same, just as they expected.

You are a reactionary, like the dumbest of Americans.

230 years made them reverse positions on every issue and want to maximize rather than minimize government, so you are like them, and people who actually support what they did are nothing like them, we are "reactionary, like the dumbest of Americans." The people who think what they did, that government power should be limited and divided with the States.

You need to type your crap down and read it sometimes before you click enter. Like here.

What they did matters very fucking little now dummy. They were men not gods. It's written on paper not carved in stone. It can be changed, the entire form of government can be changed, they expected us to make changes which you would know if you'd learn about them beyond your Ayn Rand Sunday School Americanism.

No idea what that's supposed to mean. I support what they wrote, you oppose everything they wrote. But you are saying that because you use the name liberal, you are their heir, even though you oppose all their views. Got anything related to that?

You don't support shit, and you don't know shit. No Liberal looks back 230 years and says Hey, let's live just like they did you fucking dummy. That's what makes you a reactionary, and a fucking stupid one.

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

Founding Fathers wanted to "Spread the Wealth"


If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.

Estate tax and the founding fathers You can t take it with you The Economist



Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html






American School (economics)

Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation
   
   Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.
   
   
   American School economics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Dad2three]

MORE bullshit. Shocking., THE SUBSIDIES are covered by Gov't. Doesn't matter WHERE you are on the line, the lower you are, the more GOV'T SUBSIDY GOES TO THE INSURANCE COMP!!!!

damn but you are stupid. the govt has to collect the money, or borrow it, before it can pay it to the insurance companies as subsidies. The govt has only 3 sources of money--------1. taxes, 2. borrowing, 3. printing.

You agree then, insurance comps aren't subsidizing the poor. Thanks

of course they are subsidizing the poor, do you know what the word "subsidy" means?

Why wouldn't we want to subsidize the poor on something as important as healthcare

Have you no soul?

Do we not already have medicaid and chips? YES OR NO?

Weird how tens of thousands died each year for lack of insurance coverage, as MANY made to much for those programs but not enough to get insurance coverage right? lol

 

[PaintMyHouse]

230 years made them reverse positions on every issue and want to maximize rather than minimize government, so you are like them, and people who actually support what they did are nothing like them, we are "reactionary, like the dumbest of Americans." The people who think what they did, that government power should be limited and divided with the States.

You need to type your crap down and read it sometimes before you click enter. Like here.

What they did matters very fucking little now dummy. They were men not gods. It's written on paper not carved in stone. It can be changed, the entire form of government can be changed, they expected us to make changes which you would know if you'd learn about them beyond your Ayn Rand Sunday School Americanism.

No idea what that's supposed to mean. I support what they wrote, you oppose everything they wrote. But you are saying that because you use the name liberal, you are their heir, even though you oppose all their views. Got anything related to that?

You don't support shit, and you don't know shit. No Liberal looks back 230 years and says Hey, let's live just like they did you fucking dummy. That's what makes you a reactionary, and a fucking stupid one.

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

Founding Fathers wanted to "Spread the Wealth"


If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.

Estate tax and the founding fathers You can t take it with you The Economist



Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html






American School (economics)

Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation
   
   Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.
   
   
   American School economics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Fucking Commies, er, I mean Liberals.

 

[Dad2three]

No idea what that's supposed to mean. I support what they wrote, you oppose everything they wrote. But you are saying that because you use the name liberal, you are their heir, even though you oppose all their views. Got anything related to that?

You don't support shit, and you don't know shit. No Liberal looks back 230 years and says Hey, let's live just like they did you fucking dummy. That's what makes you a reactionary, and a fucking stupid one.

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

I'm doing nothing of the kind and it's my fucking country so if you don't like then get out!

Again showing clearly that I am the liberal, not you.

Many if not most American leftists/liberals, see the big unlimited US gov as a force for good.

As such, they have chosen to ignore thousands of years of proof, that such a belief is not only foolish, but not based in reality.

How does one effectively debate those who refuse to accept reality?

I wish I could live in fantasyland like conservatives, Sadly, I have to live with facts and reality.

"The greatest evils in our industrial system to-day are those which rise from the abuses of aggregated wealth; and our great problem is to overcome these evils and cut out these abuses. No one man can deal with this matter. It is the affair of the people as a whole. When aggregated wealth demands what is unfair, its immense power can be met only by the still greater power of the people as a whole, exerted in the only way it can be exerted, through the Government;..."
- Teddy Roosevelt 1910

 

[Dad2three]

Strawman, I never said anything about living "just like they did," you fucking retard. I talked about limited government and why they wanted it and it still applies today. You aren't saving us, you are destroying us.

I'm doing nothing of the kind and it's my fucking country so if you don't like then get out!

Again showing clearly that I am the liberal, not you.

Many if not most American leftists/liberals, see the big unlimited US gov as a force for good.

As such, they have chosen to ignore thousands of years of proof, that such a belief is not only foolish, but not based in reality.

How does one effectively debate those who refuse to accept reality?

Dumbass, you throw your vote away on people saying nonsense with no chance to ever get elected. You believe in shit that no country in world uses to manage their nation. Reality is not you fucking friend so you ignore it, completely.

It is not about me. It is about you and your kind.

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it." Thomas Jefferson


The only people who are more stupid than Republicans are the people who vote for them.