What do you say to someone who seeks their own enslavement?

[hjmick]

What do you say to someone who seeks their own enslavement?

So, how's your day going TM?

 

[WillowTree]

why is it you people think personal insults are your best debate tool?

Dear idiot....

No she usually starts with Dear, Fucking Idiot.

 

[whitehall]

Do ignorant factions of the radical left really think wealth=enslavement? It's hard to understand a generation that is so completely ignorant that they think government is the solution rather than the problem.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Get rid of unions?? Nope.. Employees should be able to freely join a union if they wish group representation in their workplace...

HOWEVER... if a person wishes to be hired into a position or company that does have a group of people in a union, it should not be required that they join the union as a result for getting the job or taking the position... if they wish to stand on their own and represent themselves, negotiate their own position/compensation/whatever, they should have every right to do so... If a person wishes to teach in Baltimore County, or if they wish to act in a Paramount movie, or they wish to work at the GM plant, they should be able to do so without any union requirement

If it weakens the unions, so be it...

This is exactly the opposite stance you took on Women Contraception and Companies that dont allow it for moral reasons. Isnt it your opinion that if someone wants contraception and a company doesnt provide it, find somewhere else to work?

 

[Mr. Jones]

What do i say to someone who chooses their own enslavement?

I say: Hello, Obama voter.

You left out "Hello Romney voters" too. These 2 "choices" will be a continuation of the same, just like Obama took the handoff from Bush, Robney will do the same. These 2 are both pro-war, pro-wall street banker corporatist's, bill of rights smashing, NDAA, Patriot Act, freedom robbing NWO puppets.
Obama straight up lied about almost everything he ran on and America found out after they voted for him whereas, Robney has been lying and flip flopping for years on issues, depending which way the wind of politics blows, yet the dumbed down American thinks his presidency will benefit them in some way.

What do I say to someone who chooses their own enslavement? You deserve what you get for being so fucking stupid and lazy for not researching and educating yourself instead of relying on MSM propaganda lies, and following the herd mentality.

 

[DiamondDave]

Get rid of unions?? Nope.. Employees should be able to freely join a union if they wish group representation in their workplace...

HOWEVER... if a person wishes to be hired into a position or company that does have a group of people in a union, it should not be required that they join the union as a result for getting the job or taking the position... if they wish to stand on their own and represent themselves, negotiate their own position/compensation/whatever, they should have every right to do so... If a person wishes to teach in Baltimore County, or if they wish to act in a Paramount movie, or they wish to work at the GM plant, they should be able to do so without any union requirement

If it weakens the unions, so be it...

This is exactly the opposite stance you took on Women Contraception and Companies that dont allow it for moral reasons. Isnt it your opinion that if someone wants contraception and a company doesnt provide it, find somewhere else to work?

That is the business of the company, the owners, etc.. that is private preference of those with direct stake in the business itself... that is much different than the inmates forcing to run the asylum or being forced to join a group (not of the company) as a requirement for employment

Now if those women as employees wish to negotiate it as a group or an individual wishes to bring it up to the company as a request, fine... If women who want that benefit boycott the company or organize efforts or protests to sway people from working at a company that does not offer that benefit.. fine

But if a company, for example a Christian book store, decides it is against their beliefs to offer or pay for contraception, they should have the freedom to do so (or not do so as the case may be).. that company or business decides what it will or will not give in compensation or benefit for whatever reason.. and decides whether or not it will cave to pressure from employees, employee groups, or potential employees

 

[ClosedCaption]

Get rid of unions?? Nope.. Employees should be able to freely join a union if they wish group representation in their workplace...

HOWEVER... if a person wishes to be hired into a position or company that does have a group of people in a union, it should not be required that they join the union as a result for getting the job or taking the position... if they wish to stand on their own and represent themselves, negotiate their own position/compensation/whatever, they should have every right to do so... If a person wishes to teach in Baltimore County, or if they wish to act in a Paramount movie, or they wish to work at the GM plant, they should be able to do so without any union requirement

If it weakens the unions, so be it...

This is exactly the opposite stance you took on Women Contraception and Companies that dont allow it for moral reasons. Isnt it your opinion that if someone wants contraception and a company doesnt provide it, find somewhere else to work?

That is the business of the company, the owners, etc.. that is private preference of those with direct stake in the business itself... that is much different than the inmates forcing to run the asylum or being forced to join a group (not of the company) as a requirement for employment

Now if those women as employees wish to negotiate it as a group or an individual wishes to bring it up to the company as a request, fine... If women who want that benefit boycott the company or organize efforts or protests to sway people from working at a company that does not offer that benefit.. fine

But if a company, for example a Christian book store, decides it is against their beliefs to offer or pay for contraception, they should have the freedom to do so (or not do so as the case may be).. that company or business decides what it will or will not give in compensation or benefit for whatever reason.. and decides whether or not it will cave to pressure from employees, employee groups, or potential employees

But the company cannot decide that you must belong to a union?

 

[DiamondDave]

This is exactly the opposite stance you took on Women Contraception and Companies that dont allow it for moral reasons. Isnt it your opinion that if someone wants contraception and a company doesnt provide it, find somewhere else to work?

That is the business of the company, the owners, etc.. that is private preference of those with direct stake in the business itself... that is much different than the inmates forcing to run the asylum or being forced to join a group (not of the company) as a requirement for employment

Now if those women as employees wish to negotiate it as a group or an individual wishes to bring it up to the company as a request, fine... If women who want that benefit boycott the company or organize efforts or protests to sway people from working at a company that does not offer that benefit.. fine

But if a company, for example a Christian book store, decides it is against their beliefs to offer or pay for contraception, they should have the freedom to do so (or not do so as the case may be).. that company or business decides what it will or will not give in compensation or benefit for whatever reason.. and decides whether or not it will cave to pressure from employees, employee groups, or potential employees

But the company cannot decide that you must belong to a union?

You think the company is going to force someone into a union that is trying to bust the company's balls?? Seriously?? That is where you're going with that??

 

[ClosedCaption]

That is the business of the company, the owners, etc.. that is private preference of those with direct stake in the business itself... that is much different than the inmates forcing to run the asylum or being forced to join a group (not of the company) as a requirement for employment

Now if those women as employees wish to negotiate it as a group or an individual wishes to bring it up to the company as a request, fine... If women who want that benefit boycott the company or organize efforts or protests to sway people from working at a company that does not offer that benefit.. fine

But if a company, for example a Christian book store, decides it is against their beliefs to offer or pay for contraception, they should have the freedom to do so (or not do so as the case may be).. that company or business decides what it will or will not give in compensation or benefit for whatever reason.. and decides whether or not it will cave to pressure from employees, employee groups, or potential employees

But the company cannot decide that you must belong to a union?

You think the company is going to force someone into a union that is trying to bust the company's balls?? Seriously?? That is where you're going with that??

Dude, it was a simple question, you believe the company can decide to restrict contraception but the company cannot decide you need to join their union? Why do you agree with one forced action and not the other?

 

[Darkwind]

What do I say to someone who seeks their own enslavement?


Vote Democrat.

 

[DiamondDave]

But the company cannot decide that you must belong to a union?

You think the company is going to force someone into a union that is trying to bust the company's balls?? Seriously?? That is where you're going with that??

Dude, it was a simple question, you believe the company can decide to restrict contraception but the company cannot decide you need to join their union? Why do you agree with one forced action and not the other?

It would be more pertinent if you asked if the company could FORCE you to use contraception and/or force you to join a union.... THEN it would make sense

The company should not be forced to provide contraception and the individual should not be forced to join a union or other group

You are WAYYYYYY off on this one

 

[DiamondDave]

And no company is saying you cannot go out and buy your own contraception for your sexual entertainment purposes... You have every right to go to the store, plop down your dollar, and buy your condom.. or go to the clinic, ask to get prescribed bc pills, and go pay for it when you pick them up...

Just in case you forgot that from our previous disagreement

 

[ClosedCaption]

You are not forced to join anything. Either you want the job or you're free to walk

 

[DiamondDave]

You are not forced to join anything. Either you want the job or you're free to walk

WRONG... and it is not the employer forcing the issue, it is the UNION forcing the company and forcing the employee to join the union ranks... You know, the union, not the owner or the corporation... now if an employer forced you to join a group as a term for employment, I would agree that is wrong...

But no company that does not want to pay for contraception is forcing ANYTHING.... it is the employee or the potential employee that is trying to force the company


That you cannot see the different either shows your stupidity or your stubbornness

 

[Caroljo]

You are not forced to join anything. Either you want the job or you're free to walk

How about if you NEED the job? Anyone would be a fool to not take a job that they NEED...and walk away? Then i guess they don't really need it? People will take a union job if the need it, it doesn't mean they want to belong to a union...and they have no choice.

 

[Darkwind]

You are not forced to join anything. Either you want the job or you're free to walk

Better yet, the employer is free to hire Me and toss the union out the door. After all, no one is forcing the Union work there.

 

[Darkwind]

You are not forced to join anything. Either you want the job or you're free to walk

And if the employer said, 'take a hike union, they're working here without paying the dues', what would you say to that?

 

[naturegirl]

Hey I want in on this racket. I'm thinking all brick layers need to join my group. I'll negotiate their salaries, vacations and other benefits. I'll force every employee to pay me about 25 dollars per week. I'd be rich in no time, boy I'm in the wrong business.

 

[Si modo]

You are not forced to join anything. Either you want the job or you're free to walk

I bet you just hate the 22 states who are right-to-work states.

 

[California Girl]

But the company cannot decide that you must belong to a union?

You think the company is going to force someone into a union that is trying to bust the company's balls?? Seriously?? That is where you're going with that??

Dude, it was a simple question, you believe the company can decide to restrict contraception but the company cannot decide you need to join their union? Why do you agree with one forced action and not the other?

Contraception is a choice that the individual makes and can be accessed without your employer having to pay for it. Comparing that to being forced to join a union in order to work is ridiculous. I am, however, not surprised that you think it's a valid argument.