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doc·u·dra·ma (dky-dräm, -drm)
n.
a fictionalized drama based primarily on actual events.
For Christ's sake it is just a movie!!!!!!
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I am told that the movie depicts torture. It is true that America employed torture techniques. It is not true that torture techniques result in good intel.
It was a movie.Just watched 0 dark 30
Very accurate according to seal who wrote book
Without GWB interrogation okay
no UBL
Movie mad point to state that libs came close to blowing the whole deal
Will give BHO kudos in the end, he did the right thing
BTW Cheney's assassination squad?
really?
Go team 6
god bless all of them
Just watched 0 dark 30
Very accurate according to seal who wrote book
Without GWB interrogation okay
no UBL
Movie mad point to state that libs came close to blowing the whole deal
Will give BHO kudos in the end, he did the right thing
BTW Cheney's assassination squad?
really?
Go team 6
god bless all of them
What are John McCain's thoughts on this? You know, a person who went through it. That guy. Every once in a while he makes sense and this is one of them.
Somebody loves George W Bush.
Somebody loves George W Bush.
You trying to change the subject?
GWB got the worse deal as president to promote an agenda than any ever
Yet every time he was not only right, his actions make BHO look good, he gets this from your side
The first 50% of tarp
Giving BHO the second 50%
saving GM'
Having the courage to go after the intel that led to UBL
You should love him also
Just watched 0 dark 30
Very accurate according to seal who wrote book
Without GWB interrogation okay
no UBL
Movie mad point to state that libs came close to blowing the whole deal
Will give BHO kudos in the end, he did the right thing
BTW Cheney's assassination squad?
really?
Go team 6
god bless all of them
Just watched 0 dark 30
Very accurate according to seal who wrote book
Without GWB interrogation okay
no UBL
Movie mad point to state that libs came close to blowing the whole deal
Will give BHO kudos in the end, he did the right thing
BTW Cheney's assassination squad?
really?
Go team 6
god bless all of them
I think the technique is fine when used correctly, like in the movie.
Unlike Republicans, I don't trust government with any increased power, especially when it comes to the #1 reason for expanding government power: national security.
Granted, I would love to live in a world where I was 100% safe on an airplane or skyscraper. Indeed, I would to love to live in a world where all evil doers were brought to justice.
But I'm with Ron Paul on this issue.
I think that with every increase in government power there is always the chance that the power itself will eventually be abused or misused because government is incompetent.
I don't view safety from Osama Bin Laden in a vacuum. I ask: "is it worth giving government the permanent power to read my emails, collect information on my purchases, track my internet use, listen to my phone calls and monitor my finances, and torture people in exchange for giving Washington the legal power to do what the CIA already does behind the scenes?" Also, contrary to the fear-mongers, I think there are an infinitesimally small number of situations where a towel-head has actionable information on a homeland terror strike. And so I ask whether or not I want to give government massive new powers to torture in exchange for a threat that is less likely than being crushed by a dropped piano. The Soviet Union secured the power to torture by using the same rationalization. Then they used that power to attack and intimidate political detractors. That's the problem with giving government power - sometimes they don't use it as intended. Unlike Republicans - who tend to trust government way more than anyone else - I pause when it comes to giving government power. For instance, what if, some day, a bad administration gained power. I don't want to make it easier for them to invade privacy and destroy Constitutional rights. I don't want to make it easier for them to monitor gun sales. I want to limit government power at every juncture. And I realize that government only asks for power when they have a publicly viable excuse like "helping" citizens or "protecting" them.
Consider the old Soviet Union. They grew police state by saying "we just want to keep you safe". And guess what JRK? Some of the Soviet Bureaucrats actually believed in keeping people safe. But once that power exists in government, it gets wielded by flawed humans. This is why libertarians don't like concentrated power. Not because they don't care about national security, but because they believe in the law of unintended consequences. They think that concentrated power is too easily abused.
So... like JRK, I'm happy that enhanced interrogation worked against OBL. However, unlike JRK, I don't trust government with the power. I view an increase in government power as more dangerous than 15 towel heads with box cutters. I realize that life is dangerous and we might occasionally be attacked. But the likelihood of dying in a terrorist attack is less than being struck by lightening. However, the likelihood of government abusing their power is far higher.
So I'm begging JRK and his ilk to stop trusting government so much. We can't afford your hysterical fear of unlikely possibilities. We can't afford how easily you were manipulated by Bush to trade security for the illusion of safety. We need you to "man up" and be your own "first-responder". We need you to take your care of your own family and stop giving Washington so much power.
(God help us because the GOP is likely coming back in 2016. And when they re-take Washington, they will use scare tactics to grow the power of Washington)
JRK - please read this. It is about Homeland Security, the largest, most wasteful, most powerful government bureaucracy ever created.
A hidden world, growing beyond control | washingtonpost.com
I'm begging you JRK. Stop listening to talk radio. Stop letting big government scare you into destroying our freedom. Stop giving big government so much power. I know you mean well, but we can no longer afford for you and your party to grow the big government surveillance state. We are losing the very freedom that defines this great nation.
Somebody loves George W Bush.
You trying to change the subject?
GWB got the worse deal as president to promote an agenda than any ever
Yet every time he was not only right, his actions make BHO look good, he gets this from your side
The first 50% of tarp
Giving BHO the second 50%
saving GM'
Having the courage to go after the intel that led to UBL
You should love him also
I'm thinking that a written word forum might not be the best place for you to get your message across.
They would water board lawful gun owners.
By John McCain, Published: May 11, 2011
I asked CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and he told me the following: The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmeds real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda.
In fact, the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on Khalid Sheik Mohammed produced false and misleading information. He specifically told his interrogators that Abu Ahmed had moved to Peshawar, got married and ceased his role as an al-Qaeda facilitator none of which was true. According to the staff of the Senate intelligence committee, the best intelligence gained from a CIA detainee information describing Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaitis real role in al-Qaeda and his true relationship to bin Laden was obtained through standard, noncoercive means.
Just watched 0 dark 30
Very accurate according to seal who wrote book
Without GWB interrogation okay
no UBL
Movie mad point to state that libs came close to blowing the whole deal
Will give BHO kudos in the end, he did the right thing
BTW Cheney's assassination squad?
really?
Go team 6
god bless all of them
Being a Liberal means never having to say you're sorry.
And winning is all that matters no matter who gets hurt
there base has been lied so much they have no idea what to think until there told
seal team 6 are heros in a world of heros
the libs called them Cheneys assassination squad for years
Just watched 0 dark 30
Very accurate according to seal who wrote book
Without GWB interrogation okay
no UBL
Movie mad point to state that libs came close to blowing the whole deal
Will give BHO kudos in the end, he did the right thing
BTW Cheney's assassination squad?
really?
Go team 6
god bless all of them
I saw the movie. It did not show a link between torture (yes, the movie made it clear we used torture ) and the eventual killing of Bin laden. The movie showed the intelligence came from multiple sources and there was no Eureka moment
0 dark 30
doc·u·dra·ma (dky-dräm, -drm)
n.
a fictionalized drama based primarily on actual events.
For Christ's sake it is just a movie!!!!!!
Bull shit
The seal that BHO was going to arrest gave almost the exact same account as the movie in his book
I mean in reality 99%, without giving away the movie I could tell you the one event that was not exactly as he stated
By doing that BHO confirmed his story was accurate, (threatening to arrest)
Navy SEAL Could Face ?Criminal Prosecution? for Book about OBL Raid - Leah Barkoukis
The problem? The book wasnt vetted by the Pentagon or CIA, leaving many concerned with whether the information released is classified and could compromise future missions, other SEALs and even the author himself, whose identity was revealed by Fox News. According to Adm. Bill McRaven, the author could even be prosecuted:
We will pursue every option available to hold members accountable, including criminal prosecution where appropriate, the four-star commander wrote, in an open, unclassified letter emailed to the active-duty special operations community Thursday, and obtained by The Associated Press.
