What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry

[Dr Grump]

I always find it interesting that removing gun restrictions always has better results than placing restrictive gun laws.

There is no solid proof either way. Especially the flawed OP....

 

[JimBowie1958]

What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry and Why it Matters

In July of 2013, Illinois became the last state in the union to enact a concealed carry law. In January of this year, the state began accepting applications for permits. This week, Chicago police announced that the city’s first quarter murder rate was the lowest since 1958.

Via ABC-affiliate Eye Witness News in the Windy City:
◾The first three months of the year saw 6 fewer murders than the same time frame in 2013–a 9 percent drop–and 55 fewer murders than 2012, according to a statement from Chicago Police.
◾There were 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims, drops of 26 and 29 percent respectively, according to police statistics.
◾Compared to the first quarter of 2012, there have been 222 fewer shootings and 292 fewer shooting victims. Overall crime is down 25 percent from last year, and police said more than 1,300 illegal guns were recovered in the last three months.

Coincidence? Hard to say. And too early to tell. Although, I doubt that the anti-gun crowd is celebrating the good news.

Gun crime experts John Lott, Jr. and David Mustard made the famous argument in “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Firearms” that: “When state concealed handgun laws went into effect in a county, murders fell by 8.5 percent, and rapes and aggravated assaults fell by 5 and 7 percent.” More guns mean less crime.

Gary Kleck, PhD., also a gun crime expert, found that the crime deterrence effect of firearms possession is significant: sophisticated statistics suggest three to four crimes are stopped by a handgun than are committed in the United States every year.

But if everyone is packing, how do the libtards protect their leg-breakers and shylocks?

The first three months there was a decline because it was too cold to go out.

And that's it.

Summers coming. Make no mistake.

Lol, when law makers consider allowing concealed carry, the libtard gun grabbing fascist scream 'IT WILL BE THE WILD WEST IN OUR STREETS!'

Then when crime actually goes down, it was not the legalizing of concealed carry it was the dropping birth rates, the better educational levels, or the weather, lol.

You ass hats are so fucking stupid it defies the bounds of language.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I always find it interesting that removing gun restrictions always has better results than placing restrictive gun laws.

There is no solid proof either way. Especially the flawed OP....

Flawed OP> Hell, I link to an article that notes that crimes went down, Skippy, and its my flaw?

Lol, you haven't even established a flaw exists.

Here, you are flawed with your head so far up your ass you cant see shit.

how's that for a flaw, jack ass?

 

[Disir]

What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry and Why it Matters



But if everyone is packing, how do the libtards protect their leg-breakers and shylocks?

The first three months there was a decline because it was too cold to go out.

And that's it.

Summers coming. Make no mistake.

Lol, when law makers consider allowing concealed carry, the libtard gun grabbing fascist scream 'IT WILL BE THE WILD WEST IN OUR STREETS!'

Then when crime actually goes down, it was not the legalizing of concealed carry it was the dropping birth rates, the better educational levels, or the weather, lol.

You ass hats are so fucking stupid it defies the bounds of language.

Um......I live in the Chicago area. I have been in this area for over a decade. It's pretty much when this crap gets started: summer. It's no big secret that crime dropped. It's been several years since we have had to deal with weeks of never ending below zero temperatures-you fucking whackjob. I'm actually pro gun rights. But, you weren't smart enough to ask.

 

[JoeB131]

Had nothing to do with concealed carry.

Had more to do with the fact the CPD has been cracking down on gangs.

 

[rightwinger]

What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry and Why it Matters

In July of 2013, Illinois became the last state in the union to enact a concealed carry law. In January of this year, the state began accepting applications for permits. This week, Chicago police announced that the city’s first quarter murder rate was the lowest since 1958.

Via ABC-affiliate Eye Witness News in the Windy City:
◾The first three months of the year saw 6 fewer murders than the same time frame in 2013–a 9 percent drop–and 55 fewer murders than 2012, according to a statement from Chicago Police.
◾There were 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims, drops of 26 and 29 percent respectively, according to police statistics.
◾Compared to the first quarter of 2012, there have been 222 fewer shootings and 292 fewer shooting victims. Overall crime is down 25 percent from last year, and police said more than 1,300 illegal guns were recovered in the last three months.

Coincidence? Hard to say. And too early to tell. Although, I doubt that the anti-gun crowd is celebrating the good news.

Gun crime experts John Lott, Jr. and David Mustard made the famous argument in “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Firearms” that: “When state concealed handgun laws went into effect in a county, murders fell by 8.5 percent, and rapes and aggravated assaults fell by 5 and 7 percent.” More guns mean less crime.

Gary Kleck, PhD., also a gun crime expert, found that the crime deterrence effect of firearms possession is significant: sophisticated statistics suggest three to four crimes are stopped by a handgun than are committed in the United States every year.

But if everyone is packing, how do the libtards protect their leg-breakers and shylocks?

Murder rates are going down across the nation whether there is concealed carry or not

If fear of others in the area being armed deters gun violence, why are there so many gang related murders when they are all armed?

 

[jon_berzerk]

What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry and Why it Matters

In July of 2013, Illinois became the last state in the union to enact a concealed carry law. In January of this year, the state began accepting applications for permits. This week, Chicago police announced that the city’s first quarter murder rate was the lowest since 1958.

Via ABC-affiliate Eye Witness News in the Windy City:
◾The first three months of the year saw 6 fewer murders than the same time frame in 2013–a 9 percent drop–and 55 fewer murders than 2012, according to a statement from Chicago Police.
◾There were 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims, drops of 26 and 29 percent respectively, according to police statistics.
◾Compared to the first quarter of 2012, there have been 222 fewer shootings and 292 fewer shooting victims. Overall crime is down 25 percent from last year, and police said more than 1,300 illegal guns were recovered in the last three months.

Coincidence? Hard to say. And too early to tell. Although, I doubt that the anti-gun crowd is celebrating the good news.

Gun crime experts John Lott, Jr. and David Mustard made the famous argument in “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Firearms” that: “When state concealed handgun laws went into effect in a county, murders fell by 8.5 percent, and rapes and aggravated assaults fell by 5 and 7 percent.” More guns mean less crime.

Gary Kleck, PhD., also a gun crime expert, found that the crime deterrence effect of firearms possession is significant: sophisticated statistics suggest three to four crimes are stopped by a handgun than are committed in the United States every year.

But if everyone is packing, how do the libtards protect their leg-breakers and shylocks?

Murder rates are going down across the nation whether there is concealed carry or not

If fear of others in the area being armed deters gun violence, why are there so many gang related murders when they are all armed?

all 50 states have concealed carry

 

[rightwinger]

What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry and Why it Matters



But if everyone is packing, how do the libtards protect their leg-breakers and shylocks?

Murder rates are going down across the nation whether there is concealed carry or not

If fear of others in the area being armed deters gun violence, why are there so many gang related murders when they are all armed?

all 50 states have concealed carry

Not all concealed carries are equal

New York has some of the toughest gun laws in the country and their murder rate is way down

 

[jon_berzerk]

Murder rates are going down across the nation whether there is concealed carry or not

If fear of others in the area being armed deters gun violence, why are there so many gang related murders when they are all armed?

all 50 states have concealed carry

Not all concealed carries are equal

New York has some of the toughest gun laws in the country and their murder rate is way down

either you can carry concealed or not

all 50 states have it

pretty equal

 

[rightwinger]

all 50 states have concealed carry

Not all concealed carries are equal

New York has some of the toughest gun laws in the country and their murder rate is way down

either you can carry concealed or not

all 50 states have it

pretty equal

I'm not going to argue with you. If you want to believe concealed carry laws are the same in every state....go for it

You win

 

[AceRothstein]

Has nothing to do with concealed carry and everything to do with the shitty weather. If most of the murders in Chicago were innocents getting murdered, the OP might have a point but most of the murders here are gangbanger on gangbanger.

Concealed carry will have a very limited effect on murders in Chicago but could have a greater effect on burglary and robbery.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

libtards protect their leg-breakers and shylocks

Please put this in the badlands.

Why?

Because it doesnt jive with his anti gun agenda.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry and Why it Matters



But if everyone is packing, how do the libtards protect their leg-breakers and shylocks?

This is some funny shit. If you really believe that allowing concealed carry in Chicago helped drop the murder rate, you're out of your frickin mind. You want to know why there were less gun deaths and less shootings? You will think I'm nuts, but when you think about it you will know that I'm correct. The reason there were less shootings and killings in Chicago the first three months of this year is because it was so fucking cold that nobody went outside. Everyone, including the gangbangers who commit most of these murders, were too busy trying to stay warm. Just wait until the weather warms up and they are back on the streets, and the shootings will go right back up again.

X2, if the right wing idiots think this has anything to do with concealed carry, they are out of their damn minds. The gangbangers have been carrying for years, and virtually every shooting is gang on gang violence.
The shootings are down because the chicago winter was the 3rd most brutal in history. Once the summer hits, watch the shootings come back.

When you consider the fact that murder rates go down when CHL's go up?
Why wouldnt you come to that conclusion?

Then you get some dumbass deriding others for not knowing the weather in a state they dont live in.

 

[AceRothstein]

This is some funny shit. If you really believe that allowing concealed carry in Chicago helped drop the murder rate, you're out of your frickin mind. You want to know why there were less gun deaths and less shootings? You will think I'm nuts, but when you think about it you will know that I'm correct. The reason there were less shootings and killings in Chicago the first three months of this year is because it was so fucking cold that nobody went outside. Everyone, including the gangbangers who commit most of these murders, were too busy trying to stay warm. Just wait until the weather warms up and they are back on the streets, and the shootings will go right back up again.

X2, if the right wing idiots think this has anything to do with concealed carry, they are out of their damn minds. The gangbangers have been carrying for years, and virtually every shooting is gang on gang violence.
The shootings are down because the chicago winter was the 3rd most brutal in history. Once the summer hits, watch the shootings come back.

When you consider the fact that murder rates go down when CHL's go up?
Why wouldnt you come to that conclusion?

Then you get some dumbass deriding others for not knowing the weather in a state they dont live in.

If anyone was actually paying attention, they'd notice the massive drop in murders from 2012 to 2013 when concealed carry was still illegal in Illinois. Murders in Chicago have been on a downward trend since the early 90's. For some reason they spike every time Chicago gets a new police chief, as happened in 2012.

 

[rightwinger]

Has nothing to do with concealed carry and everything to do with the shitty weather. If most of the murders in Chicago were innocents getting murdered, the OP might have a point but most of the murders here are gangbanger on gangbanger.

Concealed carry will have a very limited effect on murders in Chicago but could have a greater effect on burglary and robbery.

Concealed cameras are having a bigger impact on burglary and robbery

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Has nothing to do with concealed carry and everything to do with the shitty weather. If most of the murders in Chicago were innocents getting murdered, the OP might have a point but most of the murders here are gangbanger on gangbanger.

Concealed carry will have a very limited effect on murders in Chicago but could have a greater effect on burglary and robbery.

Concealed cameras are having a bigger impact on burglary and robbery

Which is why so many crooks wear hoodies.

 

[rightwinger]

Has nothing to do with concealed carry and everything to do with the shitty weather. If most of the murders in Chicago were innocents getting murdered, the OP might have a point but most of the murders here are gangbanger on gangbanger.

Concealed carry will have a very limited effect on murders in Chicago but could have a greater effect on burglary and robbery.

Concealed cameras are having a bigger impact on burglary and robbery

Which is why so many crooks wear hoodies.

Funny

I saw a story on the local news in New York last weekend. A group of four kids vandalized an auto body shop smashing windows and jumping up and down on cars. They did $40,000 in damage. But they were smart. They knew there would be cameras so they wore Scream masks while they trashed the place
The police pulled up video from the local subway where they saw four kids wearing the same clothes but not wearing masks. They arrested them right away

 

[Spoonman]

Concealed cameras are having a bigger impact on burglary and robbery

Which is why so many crooks wear hoodies.

Funny

I saw a story on the local news in New York last weekend. A group of four kids vandalized an auto body shop smashing windows and jumping up and down on cars. They did $40,000 in damage. But they were smart. They knew there would be cameras so they wore Scream masks while they trashed the place
The police pulled up video from the local subway where they saw four kids wearing the same clothes but not wearing masks. They arrested them right away

yea, isin't it great to be spied on by big brother

 

[rightwinger]

Which is why so many crooks wear hoodies.

Funny

I saw a story on the local news in New York last weekend. A group of four kids vandalized an auto body shop smashing windows and jumping up and down on cars. They did $40,000 in damage. But they were smart. They knew there would be cameras so they wore Scream masks while they trashed the place
The police pulled up video from the local subway where they saw four kids wearing the same clothes but not wearing masks. They arrested them right away

yea, isin't it great to be spied on by big brother

I prefer it to being shot at by little brother

 

[Spoonman]

Funny

I saw a story on the local news in New York last weekend. A group of four kids vandalized an auto body shop smashing windows and jumping up and down on cars. They did $40,000 in damage. But they were smart. They knew there would be cameras so they wore Scream masks while they trashed the place
The police pulled up video from the local subway where they saw four kids wearing the same clothes but not wearing masks. They arrested them right away

yea, isin't it great to be spied on by big brother

I prefer it to being shot at by little brother

so how many times have you been shot at in your life? and why would little brother shoot you when you are feeding him entitlements? are you saying he is ungrateful?