What happens when you have a lower corporate tax rate?

[owebo]

Taxes are for the poor working stiff! The great and powerful companies should pay nothing !!!!

Every dollar of profit a corporation earns will be taxed because eventually every dollar that a corporation earns ends up as income to someone. Why do you want to tax it twice?

No corp. keeps all the profit it makes under a mattress

And every dollar earned by workers is also taxed multiple times . What's your point ?

Why should the company be exempt from taxation while the working stiff gets the tax burden ?

And every dollar the company gets in revenue is TAXED MULTIPLE TIMES! More times the the average worker in fact.
A) You are aware aren't you that the company matches the employees' SS/Medicare payments? I am confident you don't know
that because most Americans don't!
B) You are aware that the "dividends" paid out to the evil companies' shareholders are considered income and are TAXED again?
In other words the company pays a corporate income tax to the Feds and many states the states...all before paying out an evil dividend!
C) You are aware that companies' also pay sales taxes, property taxes...just like the worker???

So in retort to your comment, the evil companies pay MORE in taxes then the worker.
How much tax do we really pay?
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The worker also pays those same things and more . the worker also helps the company earn it's income . A company is just a piece of paper , a legal entity . So yeah , I'm more concerned about the human working off the sweat of his brow.

So why don't you democrats just make more sheets of paper favorable to workers and not profits?

 

[healthmyths]

Ireland’s Economists Left Speechless by 26% Growth Figure

Businesses flood your Nation. Their corporate tax rate is effectively half of ours and their growth is unheard of.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have Socialism like Brazil or Venezuela where the economy has been destroyed by the politicians despite being high in natural resources.

Fucking dumbass. Don't you ever read your damn links??????????

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For one, tax inversions artificially inflate the size of Ireland’s economy. When the headquarters of a group of companies becomes resident in Ireland, all of its global profits may be counted as part of the nation’s gross national income, according to the ministry.


Since 2008, that gauge has been boosted by about 7 billion euros thanks to corporate relocations, without accompanying substance or employment, the ministry has said. This in turn drives up the country’s contribution to the European Union budget, which is based on the size of the economy.

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What the hell is wrong with you??????????????

The ACCI’s latest report into foreign direct investment shows that 700 US companies based in Ireland now employ 130,000 people.
The list of major firms operating in the Republic includes Intel, Boston Scientific, Dell, Pfizer, Google, Hewlett Packard, Facebook and Johnson and Johnson.
Four years ago, there were just over 600 American companies based in Ireland, according to the country’s industrial development authority.
The report by Wall Street economist Joseph Quinlan revealed that even in 2013, the first year of a fragile economic recovery, American foreign direct investment rose by 42% to $37bn (£24m). In the same period, total US investment to Europe fell by 19% to $115bn (£75bn).
While big US firms such as Intel have been in Ireland for more than 20 years, several other giants arrived in the Republic when the financial crash occurred in 2008.
In the midst of the crash,
Facebook established a presence in Dublin and created 250 jobs. Its European HQ is located in what is now known as the Google Quarter in south-central Dublin.
Google and PayPal, which also use Ireland as a bridgehead into the European market, increased their workforces during the worst years of the recession.
At the world web summit in Dublin’s RDS conference centre last autumn, the IDA and the Irish government announced the creation of a further 1,000 technology jobs, the majority of which were with firms from the US.
In February, Apple announced a further major investment in its long-standing Irish operation with the construction of a giant €850m (£615m) data centre in Athenry, Co Galway. The centre is expected to create 300 new jobs and will be Apple’s largest data collection hub in Europe.'
700 US companies now located in Ireland as direct investment soars
To put that into the USA perspective:
Ireland total population in 2014 is: 4,612,719 of which 65% are working age 15 to 64 or about 3 million people.
The above report shows over 131,500 jobs in Ireland which represents about 4% of the working population of Ireland.
NOW if these same proportions held true in the USA?
USA total population in 2014 is 318.9 million of which 149.7 million employed or 46%.
If the Ireland experience of 4% more jobs kept the same percentage in the USA that would be nearly 6 million jobs HERE!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The world comes to an end?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Ireland’s Economists Left Speechless by 26% Growth Figure

Businesses flood your Nation. Their corporate tax rate is effectively half of ours and their growth is unheard of.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have Socialism like Brazil or Venezuela where the economy has been destroyed by the politicians despite being high in natural resources.

Fucking dumbass. Don't you ever read your damn links??????????

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For one, tax inversions artificially inflate the size of Ireland’s economy. When the headquarters of a group of companies becomes resident in Ireland, all of its global profits may be counted as part of the nation’s gross national income, according to the ministry.


Since 2008, that gauge has been boosted by about 7 billion euros thanks to corporate relocations, without accompanying substance or employment, the ministry has said. This in turn drives up the country’s contribution to the European Union budget, which is based on the size of the economy.

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What the hell is wrong with you??????????????

Me?

Where in my op did I mention ANYTHING about jobs?

Seems it is you who has the problem. A reading comprehension one.

Then why the fuck are you even bothering with this nonsense.

And just for laughs, what do you think they mean when they say "without accompanying substance" and tax inversions artificially inflate the size of Ireland’s economy.

I can only assume you're another one of the loons who believes the rich hide their money in mattresses rather than reinventing it.

The rich reinvent money?!

Oops
I think my phone gave up on auto correct & became omniscient lol.

 

[Montrovant]

Ireland’s Economists Left Speechless by 26% Growth Figure

Businesses flood your Nation. Their corporate tax rate is effectively half of ours and their growth is unheard of.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have Socialism like Brazil or Venezuela where the economy has been destroyed by the politicians despite being high in natural resources.

Fucking dumbass. Don't you ever read your damn links??????????

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For one, tax inversions artificially inflate the size of Ireland’s economy. When the headquarters of a group of companies becomes resident in Ireland, all of its global profits may be counted as part of the nation’s gross national income, according to the ministry.


Since 2008, that gauge has been boosted by about 7 billion euros thanks to corporate relocations, without accompanying substance or employment, the ministry has said. This in turn drives up the country’s contribution to the European Union budget, which is based on the size of the economy.

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What the hell is wrong with you??????????????

The ACCI’s latest report into foreign direct investment shows that 700 US companies based in Ireland now employ 130,000 people.
The list of major firms operating in the Republic includes Intel, Boston Scientific, Dell, Pfizer, Google, Hewlett Packard, Facebook and Johnson and Johnson.
Four years ago, there were just over 600 American companies based in Ireland, according to the country’s industrial development authority.
The report by Wall Street economist Joseph Quinlan revealed that even in 2013, the first year of a fragile economic recovery, American foreign direct investment rose by 42% to $37bn (£24m). In the same period, total US investment to Europe fell by 19% to $115bn (£75bn).
While big US firms such as Intel have been in Ireland for more than 20 years, several other giants arrived in the Republic when the financial crash occurred in 2008.
In the midst of the crash,
Facebook established a presence in Dublin and created 250 jobs. Its European HQ is located in what is now known as the Google Quarter in south-central Dublin.
Google and PayPal, which also use Ireland as a bridgehead into the European market, increased their workforces during the worst years of the recession.
At the world web summit in Dublin’s RDS conference centre last autumn, the IDA and the Irish government announced the creation of a further 1,000 technology jobs, the majority of which were with firms from the US.
In February, Apple announced a further major investment in its long-standing Irish operation with the construction of a giant €850m (£615m) data centre in Athenry, Co Galway. The centre is expected to create 300 new jobs and will be Apple’s largest data collection hub in Europe.'
700 US companies now located in Ireland as direct investment soars
To put that into the USA perspective:
Ireland total population in 2014 is: 4,612,719 of which 65% are working age 15 to 64 or about 3 million people.
The above report shows over 131,500 jobs in Ireland which represents about 4% of the working population of Ireland.
NOW if these same proportions held true in the USA?
USA total population in 2014 is 318.9 million of which 149.7 million employed or 46%.
If the Ireland experience of 4% more jobs kept the same percentage in the USA that would be nearly 6 million jobs HERE!

Do those 130,000 people actually work in Ireland? It says the 700 companies based in Ireland employ 130,000 people, not that those people work in Ireland.

 

[jillian]

Ireland’s Economists Left Speechless by 26% Growth Figure

Businesses flood your Nation. Their corporate tax rate is effectively half of ours and their growth is unheard of.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have Socialism like Brazil or Venezuela where the economy has been destroyed by the politicians despite being high in natural resources.

when there's a lower tax rate, they offshore more money and pay more in golden parachutes.

you don't think they do anything else, do you?

interestingly, Ireland also has socialized medicine.

Healthcare in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Ireland’s Economists Left Speechless by 26% Growth Figure

Businesses flood your Nation. Their corporate tax rate is effectively half of ours and their growth is unheard of.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have Socialism like Brazil or Venezuela where the economy has been destroyed by the politicians despite being high in natural resources.

when there's a lower tax rate, they offshore more money and pay more in golden parachutes.

you don't think they do anything else, do you?

interestingly, Ireland also has socialized medicine.

Healthcare in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[healthmyths]

Ireland’s Economists Left Speechless by 26% Growth Figure

Businesses flood your Nation. Their corporate tax rate is effectively half of ours and their growth is unheard of.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have Socialism like Brazil or Venezuela where the economy has been destroyed by the politicians despite being high in natural resources.

Fucking dumbass. Don't you ever read your damn links??????????

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For one, tax inversions artificially inflate the size of Ireland’s economy. When the headquarters of a group of companies becomes resident in Ireland, all of its global profits may be counted as part of the nation’s gross national income, according to the ministry.


Since 2008, that gauge has been boosted by about 7 billion euros thanks to corporate relocations, without accompanying substance or employment, the ministry has said. This in turn drives up the country’s contribution to the European Union budget, which is based on the size of the economy.

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What the hell is wrong with you??????????????

The ACCI’s latest report into foreign direct investment shows that 700 US companies based in Ireland now employ 130,000 people.
The list of major firms operating in the Republic includes Intel, Boston Scientific, Dell, Pfizer, Google, Hewlett Packard, Facebook and Johnson and Johnson.
Four years ago, there were just over 600 American companies based in Ireland, according to the country’s industrial development authority.
The report by Wall Street economist Joseph Quinlan revealed that even in 2013, the first year of a fragile economic recovery, American foreign direct investment rose by 42% to $37bn (£24m). In the same period, total US investment to Europe fell by 19% to $115bn (£75bn).
While big US firms such as Intel have been in Ireland for more than 20 years, several other giants arrived in the Republic when the financial crash occurred in 2008.
In the midst of the crash,
Facebook established a presence in Dublin and created 250 jobs. Its European HQ is located in what is now known as the Google Quarter in south-central Dublin.
Google and PayPal, which also use Ireland as a bridgehead into the European market, increased their workforces during the worst years of the recession.
At the world web summit in Dublin’s RDS conference centre last autumn, the IDA and the Irish government announced the creation of a further 1,000 technology jobs, the majority of which were with firms from the US.
In February, Apple announced a further major investment in its long-standing Irish operation with the construction of a giant €850m (£615m) data centre in Athenry, Co Galway. The centre is expected to create 300 new jobs and will be Apple’s largest data collection hub in Europe.'
700 US companies now located in Ireland as direct investment soars
To put that into the USA perspective:
Ireland total population in 2014 is: 4,612,719 of which 65% are working age 15 to 64 or about 3 million people.
The above report shows over 131,500 jobs in Ireland which represents about 4% of the working population of Ireland.
NOW if these same proportions held true in the USA?
USA total population in 2014 is 318.9 million of which 149.7 million employed or 46%.
If the Ireland experience of 4% more jobs kept the same percentage in the USA that would be nearly 6 million jobs HERE!

Do those 130,000 people actually work in Ireland? It says the 700 companies based in Ireland employ 130,000 people, not that those people work in Ireland.

You got to be really really kidding!
Approximately 85,000 people were employed at Intel ...
Pfizer, employs 86,600
Google 54,604,
Hewlett Packard employees 324,000
Facebook 12,691
and Johnson and Johnson employees 127,100
And just these 6 companies have over 689,000 employees... and you have idiocy to say "700 companies based in Ireland employ 130,000"
that is ALL their employees?

GEEZ just little research and you have the idiocy to think 700 companies have 130,000 employees?
.

Why with the internet to you try to make a idiot of your self?

 

[Montrovant]

Ireland’s Economists Left Speechless by 26% Growth Figure

Businesses flood your Nation. Their corporate tax rate is effectively half of ours and their growth is unheard of.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have Socialism like Brazil or Venezuela where the economy has been destroyed by the politicians despite being high in natural resources.

Fucking dumbass. Don't you ever read your damn links??????????

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For one, tax inversions artificially inflate the size of Ireland’s economy. When the headquarters of a group of companies becomes resident in Ireland, all of its global profits may be counted as part of the nation’s gross national income, according to the ministry.


Since 2008, that gauge has been boosted by about 7 billion euros thanks to corporate relocations, without accompanying substance or employment, the ministry has said. This in turn drives up the country’s contribution to the European Union budget, which is based on the size of the economy.

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What the hell is wrong with you??????????????

The ACCI’s latest report into foreign direct investment shows that 700 US companies based in Ireland now employ 130,000 people.
The list of major firms operating in the Republic includes Intel, Boston Scientific, Dell, Pfizer, Google, Hewlett Packard, Facebook and Johnson and Johnson.
Four years ago, there were just over 600 American companies based in Ireland, according to the country’s industrial development authority.
The report by Wall Street economist Joseph Quinlan revealed that even in 2013, the first year of a fragile economic recovery, American foreign direct investment rose by 42% to $37bn (£24m). In the same period, total US investment to Europe fell by 19% to $115bn (£75bn).
While big US firms such as Intel have been in Ireland for more than 20 years, several other giants arrived in the Republic when the financial crash occurred in 2008.
In the midst of the crash,
Facebook established a presence in Dublin and created 250 jobs. Its European HQ is located in what is now known as the Google Quarter in south-central Dublin.
Google and PayPal, which also use Ireland as a bridgehead into the European market, increased their workforces during the worst years of the recession.
At the world web summit in Dublin’s RDS conference centre last autumn, the IDA and the Irish government announced the creation of a further 1,000 technology jobs, the majority of which were with firms from the US.
In February, Apple announced a further major investment in its long-standing Irish operation with the construction of a giant €850m (£615m) data centre in Athenry, Co Galway. The centre is expected to create 300 new jobs and will be Apple’s largest data collection hub in Europe.'
700 US companies now located in Ireland as direct investment soars
To put that into the USA perspective:
Ireland total population in 2014 is: 4,612,719 of which 65% are working age 15 to 64 or about 3 million people.
The above report shows over 131,500 jobs in Ireland which represents about 4% of the working population of Ireland.
NOW if these same proportions held true in the USA?
USA total population in 2014 is 318.9 million of which 149.7 million employed or 46%.
If the Ireland experience of 4% more jobs kept the same percentage in the USA that would be nearly 6 million jobs HERE!

Do those 130,000 people actually work in Ireland? It says the 700 companies based in Ireland employ 130,000 people, not that those people work in Ireland.

You got to be really really kidding!
Approximately 85,000 people were employed at Intel ...
Pfizer, employs 86,600
Google 54,604,
Hewlett Packard employees 324,000
Facebook 12,691
and Johnson and Johnson employees 127,100
And just these 6 companies have over 689,000 employees... and you have idiocy to say "700 companies based in Ireland employ 130,000"
that is ALL their employees?

GEEZ just little research and you have the idiocy to think 700 companies have 130,000 employees?
.View attachment 84917

Why with the internet to you try to make a idiot of your self?

Being a dick doesn't help make your point. I just asked a question.

 

[healthmyths]

Ireland’s Economists Left Speechless by 26% Growth Figure

Businesses flood your Nation. Their corporate tax rate is effectively half of ours and their growth is unheard of.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have Socialism like Brazil or Venezuela where the economy has been destroyed by the politicians despite being high in natural resources.

Fucking dumbass. Don't you ever read your damn links??????????

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For one, tax inversions artificially inflate the size of Ireland’s economy. When the headquarters of a group of companies becomes resident in Ireland, all of its global profits may be counted as part of the nation’s gross national income, according to the ministry.


Since 2008, that gauge has been boosted by about 7 billion euros thanks to corporate relocations, without accompanying substance or employment, the ministry has said. This in turn drives up the country’s contribution to the European Union budget, which is based on the size of the economy.

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What the hell is wrong with you??????????????

The ACCI’s latest report into foreign direct investment shows that 700 US companies based in Ireland now employ 130,000 people.
The list of major firms operating in the Republic includes Intel, Boston Scientific, Dell, Pfizer, Google, Hewlett Packard, Facebook and Johnson and Johnson.
Four years ago, there were just over 600 American companies based in Ireland, according to the country’s industrial development authority.
The report by Wall Street economist Joseph Quinlan revealed that even in 2013, the first year of a fragile economic recovery, American foreign direct investment rose by 42% to $37bn (£24m). In the same period, total US investment to Europe fell by 19% to $115bn (£75bn).
While big US firms such as Intel have been in Ireland for more than 20 years, several other giants arrived in the Republic when the financial crash occurred in 2008.
In the midst of the crash,
Facebook established a presence in Dublin and created 250 jobs. Its European HQ is located in what is now known as the Google Quarter in south-central Dublin.
Google and PayPal, which also use Ireland as a bridgehead into the European market, increased their workforces during the worst years of the recession.
At the world web summit in Dublin’s RDS conference centre last autumn, the IDA and the Irish government announced the creation of a further 1,000 technology jobs, the majority of which were with firms from the US.
In February, Apple announced a further major investment in its long-standing Irish operation with the construction of a giant €850m (£615m) data centre in Athenry, Co Galway. The centre is expected to create 300 new jobs and will be Apple’s largest data collection hub in Europe.'
700 US companies now located in Ireland as direct investment soars
To put that into the USA perspective:
Ireland total population in 2014 is: 4,612,719 of which 65% are working age 15 to 64 or about 3 million people.
The above report shows over 131,500 jobs in Ireland which represents about 4% of the working population of Ireland.
NOW if these same proportions held true in the USA?
USA total population in 2014 is 318.9 million of which 149.7 million employed or 46%.
If the Ireland experience of 4% more jobs kept the same percentage in the USA that would be nearly 6 million jobs HERE!

Do those 130,000 people actually work in Ireland? It says the 700 companies based in Ireland employ 130,000 people, not that those people work in Ireland.

You got to be really really kidding!
Approximately 85,000 people were employed at Intel ...
Pfizer, employs 86,600
Google 54,604,
Hewlett Packard employees 324,000
Facebook 12,691
and Johnson and Johnson employees 127,100
And just these 6 companies have over 689,000 employees... and you have idiocy to say "700 companies based in Ireland employ 130,000"
that is ALL their employees?

GEEZ just little research and you have the idiocy to think 700 companies have 130,000 employees?
.View attachment 84917

Why with the internet to you try to make a idiot of your self?

Being a dick doesn't help make your point. I just asked a question.

Sorry. I apologize. Frustration sets in when I have to provide answers that are so easy to find that even a dope like me can find them!
Plus just common sense that 700 companies divided into 130,000 works out to 185 employee per each of the 700 companies. Just doesn't sound realistic!
Again though I apologize.

 

[rdean]

Ireland’s Economists Left Speechless by 26% Growth Figure

Businesses flood your Nation. Their corporate tax rate is effectively half of ours and their growth is unheard of.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have Socialism like Brazil or Venezuela where the economy has been destroyed by the politicians despite being high in natural resources.

Fucking dumbass. Don't you ever read your damn links??????????

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For one, tax inversions artificially inflate the size of Ireland’s economy. When the headquarters of a group of companies becomes resident in Ireland, all of its global profits may be counted as part of the nation’s gross national income, according to the ministry.


Since 2008, that gauge has been boosted by about 7 billion euros thanks to corporate relocations, without accompanying substance or employment, the ministry has said. This in turn drives up the country’s contribution to the European Union budget, which is based on the size of the economy.

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What the hell is wrong with you??????????????

Me?

Where in my op did I mention ANYTHING about jobs?

Seems it is you who has the problem. A reading comprehension one.

Then why the fuck are you even bothering with this nonsense.

And just for laughs, what do you think they mean when they say "without accompanying substance" and tax inversions artificially inflate the size of Ireland’s economy.

I can only assume you're another one of the loons who believes the rich hide their money in mattresses rather than reinventing it.

Tell us how Mitt Romney reinvents his.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Taxes are for the poor working stiff! The great and powerful companies should pay nothing !!!!

Every dollar of profit a corporation earns will be taxed because eventually every dollar that a corporation earns ends up as income to someone. Why do you want to tax it twice?

No corp. keeps all the profit it makes under a mattress

Because it should be taxed as corporation profit, and as income to the shareholder. Why do you want to give one or the other a free ride? Corporations use massive amounts of infrastructure and government services. Individuals also use infrastructure and services, although most as to a lesser extent. Both owe a share of income to the state to cover their share of the costs for the infrastructure and services they use.

This notion that corporations provide jobs so they shouldn't pay taxes, is ridiculous. I spent the last 15 years of my career doing big time development work, for big box retailers, shopping malls, and corporate clients. Just building a big box store requires hundreds of thousands of dollars of infrastructure changes. Such construction requires roadway widenings to allow high volume access to and from the parking lot, daylighting triangles for more efficient traffic flow, and cost sharing agreements for neighbouring properties.

The infrastructure costs for any business, are enormous. There are good and valid reasons why it takes years from the time a business buys a piece of vacant land and turns it into a store or factory. If the business is one which uses massive amounts of water, there may be issues with the water pipes running to and from the business. Who pays for that? What is required to upgrade it? What will the ongoing costs be? Will there additional traffic problems created by the construction? Will traffic relief, in the form of daylighting triangles, additional turning lanes, or similar changes to the surrounding roadways be needed?

Does the business need a railway spur line? Will lots of large trucks be going into or out of the property. Are turning areas sufficient? All of the corporation's infrastructure requirements are going to have to be met and paid for. If the corporation has negotiated a sweetheart deal with the municipality, the taxpayers may have to eat those costs in order to get the jobs promised. If the jobs provided pay so little that the employees need food stamps, Medicaid and earned income credits, the town really gets no benefit whatsoever, nor does the federal government. City taxes won't recoup all of the infrastructure costs, they just cover city operating expenses for the property.

Yes the store is going to make hundreds of thousands of dollars, and good for them, but they need to pay taxes on that money. The roads around the mall are going to need repairs and replacements more frequently. New stop lights will be needed. All of these things cost big bucks. Repairs to pubic roadways come out of the overall city budget. Normally developers pay big bucks to the city for the roadways, sewer and water lines and hookups, drainage (which may include storm drains, culverts, and grading) for the land, to ensure the flow of water to the storm drains. None of this stuff is cheap.

If you are going to give some corporations tax breaks for providing jobs, how good do the jobs have to be to qualify? If they are putting in a shopping mall, should corporations be getting tax breaks to provide low wage retail jobs? What's the cut-off point for the wages. Corporations are now getting municipalities into bidding wars for their jobs. Who's going to give us the best deal? Cities who participate in these fools games, soon find that they never recover the incentives given, and in a few years, when the benefits expire, the corporation will look for another city to fleece and move on.

In regards to wages, my neighbourhood in Toronto fought and won the battle to keep from having what had been the Toronto Film Studios, turned into a shopping mall, on the grounds that the shopping mall would be replacing high income film production jobs, with low wage retail jobs. When the City of Toronto (which owned the land), closed the Toronto Film Studio, it was because the facility was outdated and was to be replaced. They promised the neighbourhood that the lands would continue to be used for film production and would not be sold, or leased out for low wage McJobs. And then the City proposed leasing the land to a shopping mall company.

Many of my neighbours worked in the movie business, so getting more studio space was more work for them, added to which the roadways surrounding the property weren't built for the level of traffic the mall would receive. The properties across the street from the proposed mall on the north side, which would be one of the access roadways, were residential homes, which would now been choked with traffic and fumes. The entire neighbourhood fought the mall on economic grounds - that the jobs coming in weren't acceptable to the neighbourhood. The economics was the basis for the argument, but the entire residential character of the neighbourhood would have been adversely affected by the traffic. The roadway itself was already high traffic during rush hours, and the traffic to the neighbourhood had increased dramatically with the construction of a mall on property to the south of the proposed mall, and a grocery store on the property next door to it. Since houses in this area sell for upwards of $500,000. this impact of living across the road from the mall would have destroyed their property values.

People matter. Corporations are not people, regardless of what the Citizen's United ruling said. Unless and until the US puts its people first, ALL of its people, not just the rich white ones, you're going to have problems.

Biker/Sailor, I hear you on the tariffs, and a while back I would have even agreed with you, but then I saw a very reasonable argument against protectionist tariffs based around the notion that the global movement of goods and capital has been the catalyst for the first world economic growth which occurred during the last half of the 20th Century. That tariffs would set all of that progress back, and that with the internet and the speed at which capital can now move, the tariffs would no longer work. I now need more information.

Do you think the corporate income tax is the only tax corps pay?

Do you know that trucking companies that move goods pay all kinds of taxes that are supposed to be for infrastructure that the average person does not pay?

And it's not really profit if it all ends up in the hand of shareholders and other people. Every cent a corp makes will be taxed so why do you want to tax the same dollar more than once?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Every dollar of profit a corporation earns will be taxed because eventually every dollar that a corporation earns ends up as income to someone. Why do you want to tax it twice?

No corp. keeps all the profit it makes under a mattress

And every dollar earned by workers is also taxed multiple times . What's your point ?

Why should the company be exempt from taxation while the working stiff gets the tax burden ?

And every dollar the company gets in revenue is TAXED MULTIPLE TIMES! More times the the average worker in fact.
A) You are aware aren't you that the company matches the employees' SS/Medicare payments? I am confident you don't know
that because most Americans don't!
B) You are aware that the "dividends" paid out to the evil companies' shareholders are considered income and are TAXED again?
In other words the company pays a corporate income tax to the Feds and many states the states...all before paying out an evil dividend!
C) You are aware that companies' also pay sales taxes, property taxes...just like the worker???

So in retort to your comment, the evil companies pay MORE in taxes then the worker.
How much tax do we really pay?
View attachment 84857

The worker also pays those same things and more . the worker also helps the company earn it's income . A company is just a piece of paper , a legal entity . So yeah , I'm more concerned about the human working off the sweat of his brow.

And more? What more? Did you see the table I attached? The company actually pays MORE in taxes. For example are you familiar with Workman's comp? Or unemployment taxes? Of course not. Evil companies... THAT provide the jobs. You know the really sad part about people like you is your ignorance! You have no idea what it takes to be a business owner because your simple short span attention ONLY sees 30 second sound bites, or headlines and then YOU make these really dumb assumptions!
Tell you what. Let's make companies illegal. Let's just all have equal ownership. Just like say Venezuela ! Or Cuba! Yea...that's the ticket!
Let's all be equal owners with NO ONE running anything. No one taking responsibility for decisions.
Here's what that looks like!
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You act As if companies get a raw deal . Then why incorporate ?

And while you post tax rates , that doesn't mean that's what a company pays .

Work comp and unemployment ? Yeah , that's the insurance to take care of people after a company is done with them or if they are hurt at work . The taxpayer gets the shaft on those .

I'm not out to gouge , but to let companies off the tax hook is ridiculous .

You incorporate so you have legal separation of the people who own the business and the business itself. it helps prevent being sued for your personal assets

You incorporate so you can sell shares on the public market so as to raise revenue

You do not incorporate as a tax dodge

 

[Dr Grump]

[

Very typical of liberals their dumb ass policies assume business has a bottomless well of money they are hoarding so the liberals just keep sucking like vampires until the business finally says fuck you liberals packs up and leaves. Liberals are a parasite that's so dumb it kills its host killing itself in the process.

No, it is your corporate masters who are usually neocons who have fucked over America. Hate to tell you pal, but it's not the unions or working class that forced your corporate masters to move your factories overseas. Low labour costs in third-world countries did. You happy to work on the Ford production line for $1 an hour? Only a retard would blame the working classes (and trust me, most working class are Dem voters) for corporate greed.

 

[BluesLegend]

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Very typical of liberals their dumb ass policies assume business has a bottomless well of money they are hoarding so the liberals just keep sucking like vampires until the business finally says fuck you liberals packs up and leaves. Liberals are a parasite that's so dumb it kills its host killing itself in the process.

No, it is your corporate masters who are usually neocons who have fucked over America. Hate to tell you pal, but it's not the unions or working class that forced your corporate masters to move your factories overseas. Low labour costs in third-world countries did. You happy to work on the Ford production line for $1 an hour? Only a retard would blame the working classes (and trust me, most working class are Dem voters) for corporate greed.

^^^ liberal denial

 

[healthmyths]

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Very typical of liberals their dumb ass policies assume business has a bottomless well of money they are hoarding so the liberals just keep sucking like vampires until the business finally says fuck you liberals packs up and leaves. Liberals are a parasite that's so dumb it kills its host killing itself in the process.

No, it is your corporate masters who are usually neocons who have fucked over America. Hate to tell you pal, but it's not the unions or working class that forced your corporate masters to move your factories overseas. Low labour costs in third-world countries did. You happy to work on the Ford production line for $1 an hour? Only a retard would blame the working classes (and trust me, most working class are Dem voters) for corporate greed.

I grew up during the time unions were really in power and demanded very stupid concessions because of one reason. Management didn't want a strike.
Here are some examples of why companies got tired of dealing with unions and coupled with high tax rates move off shore.
Personal experience.
I had a summer job while going to college in a union factory. I was a "utility" meaning I floated around and helped out. I had a great job of rebuilding pallets that were broken,etc. I'd replace with new lumber and worked at my own pace and it was great. One a load of NEW pallets arrived and the foreman told me to attach a couple of pieces to complete the pallet. Great! Fresh lumber. No dirty pallets. I was working away when the foreman came by and told me
to stop. When asked why he said.."union contract requires only carpenters work on new lumber like this job. You are not a carpenter."
This is a personal experience but what about examples of union contracts that caused management to say screw it... going off shore!

Unions have also displayed a territorial bent that borders on absurdity.
A Wausau, Wis., public employee union stopped an 86-year-old resident from being a volunteer crossing guard. WAOW-TV reported that union representatives didn’t want the man volunteering because it weakened their case to hire a unionized worker instead.

In another case, a Racine, Wis., public employee filed a grievance because inmates were cutting the grass free of charge.
The union worker claimed it was the “right” for government workers to cut the grass, according to the Racine Journal Times.
Wisconsin's Most Outrageous Examples of Union Collective Bargaining

Union Rules were Harder to Digest than Twinkies | Zero Hedge
As most people know by now, Hostess Brands - the maker of such American junk food staples as Twinkies, Ding Dongs and Wonderbread - announced last week that it had failed to come to terms with the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union and its 5000 striking members, and thus would enter Chapter 11 bankruptcy to unwind the company, sell off its assets and eliminate 18,500 US jobs.
The latest news is that Hostess and the union have agreed to enter into mediation in an attempt to prevent the company's dissolution, but Hostess Brands' story remains a very useful example of how government regulations can impose huge costs on US businesses and either drive them offshore or out of business entirely.
Scott Lincicome: Hostess Brands: A Case Study in Government Burdens and Global (Un)competitiveness

 

[owebo]

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Very typical of liberals their dumb ass policies assume business has a bottomless well of money they are hoarding so the liberals just keep sucking like vampires until the business finally says fuck you liberals packs up and leaves. Liberals are a parasite that's so dumb it kills its host killing itself in the process.

No, it is your corporate masters who are usually neocons who have fucked over America. Hate to tell you pal, but it's not the unions or working class that forced your corporate masters to move your factories overseas. Low labour costs in third-world countries did. You happy to work on the Ford production line for $1 an hour? Only a retard would blame the working classes (and trust me, most working class are Dem voters) for corporate greed.

I grew up during the time unions were really in power and demanded very stupid concessions because of one reason. Management didn't want a strike.
Here are some examples of why companies got tired of dealing with unions and coupled with high tax rates move off shore.
Personal experience.
I had a summer job while going to college in a union factory. I was a "utility" meaning I floated around and helped out. I had a great job of rebuilding pallets that were broken,etc. I'd replace with new lumber and worked at my own pace and it was great. One a load of NEW pallets arrived and the foreman told me to attach a couple of pieces to complete the pallet. Great! Fresh lumber. No dirty pallets. I was working away when the foreman came by and told me
to stop. When asked why he said.."union contract requires only carpenters work on new lumber like this job. You are not a carpenter."
This is a personal experience but what about examples of union contracts that caused management to say screw it... going off shore!

Unions have also displayed a territorial bent that borders on absurdity.
A Wausau, Wis., public employee union stopped an 86-year-old resident from being a volunteer crossing guard. WAOW-TV reported that union representatives didn’t want the man volunteering because it weakened their case to hire a unionized worker instead.

In another case, a Racine, Wis., public employee filed a grievance because inmates were cutting the grass free of charge.
The union worker claimed it was the “right” for government workers to cut the grass, according to the Racine Journal Times.
Wisconsin's Most Outrageous Examples of Union Collective Bargaining

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Union Rules were Harder to Digest than Twinkies | Zero Hedge
As most people know by now, Hostess Brands - the maker of such American junk food staples as Twinkies, Ding Dongs and Wonderbread - announced last week that it had failed to come to terms with the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union and its 5000 striking members, and thus would enter Chapter 11 bankruptcy to unwind the company, sell off its assets and eliminate 18,500 US jobs.
The latest news is that Hostess and the union have agreed to enter into mediation in an attempt to prevent the company's dissolution, but Hostess Brands' story remains a very useful example of how government regulations can impose huge costs on US businesses and either drive them offshore or out of business entirely.
Scott Lincicome: Hostess Brands: A Case Study in Government Burdens and Global (Un)competitiveness

Once thought indestructible by even nuclear war, liberals were able to finally destroy twinkies .....

 

[AntonToo]

Twinkies lost popularity, just like most sweet nothings, that's not fault of the Unions, that is a product of consumers electing to eat healthier.

Unions are organizations with it's own interests, just like business is an organization with it's own interests - most of those interests coincide, some contradict. But just like bad business does not speak for good business, bad unions do not speak for good ones.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Taxes are for the poor working stiff! The great and powerful companies should pay nothing !!!!

Every dollar of profit a corporation earns will be taxed because eventually every dollar that a corporation earns ends up as income to someone. Why do you want to tax it twice?

No corp. keeps all the profit it makes under a mattress

And every dollar earned by workers is also taxed multiple times . What's your point ?

Why should the company be exempt from taxation while the working stiff gets the tax burden ?

And every dollar the company gets in revenue is TAXED MULTIPLE TIMES! More times the the average worker in fact.
A) You are aware aren't you that the company matches the employees' SS/Medicare payments? I am confident you don't know
that because most Americans don't!
B) You are aware that the "dividends" paid out to the evil companies' shareholders are considered income and are TAXED again?
In other words the company pays a corporate income tax to the Feds and many states the states...all before paying out an evil dividend!
C) You are aware that companies' also pay sales taxes, property taxes...just like the worker???

So in retort to your comment, the evil companies pay MORE in taxes then the worker.
How much tax do we really pay?
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The worker also pays those same things and more . the worker also helps the company earn it's income . A company is just a piece of paper , a legal entity . So yeah , I'm more concerned about the human working off the sweat of his brow.

If you are So concerned with the worker why does your ilk continue to force them out of a job and onto the welfare roles?

Ya know like hillary said to those coal miners asshole?

Or when Obama's henchmen tried to stop Boeing from opening a plant in south Carolina that employed 1,000s of people?

Or when the Union boss said he was glad he closed down hostess and put 1,000s of people out of work?

Don't give me that carp that democrats care about the workers.

 

[Rustic]

lower taxes = higher profits for companies

increasing the work force eat those profits

Tax money is always frivolously wasted by large overbearing governments, a staved government is a good thing...
It means government employees actually have to work for a change. Lol