Zone1 What has to happen for a person to be saved?

[BreezeWood]

Christianity teaches that God places His law in every human heart, not only in the hearts of Christians. Christianity teaches that God judges the heart.

jesus taught otherwise ...

Then they said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

all living beings are created equally with the same opportunity for judgement and admission to the everlasting.

another example the heavenly 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism and that which incorrectly has been included in the christian and islamic bibles.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Can you direct me to the spirit prison scriptures?

As you know, they don't exist in the Books we recognize

But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema -- Galatians 1:8

 

[Meriweather]

I went through 18 years of Catholic indoctrination.
Weekly mass, Sunday School all the sacraments

At about the age of 12, I started to think…..Some of this does not seem true. By 18, I realized none of it was true.
As an adult, I realized the stories I had been indoctrinated with were no more than the fairy tales I had heard. Fables to teach life lessons and lead you in the faith.

Since I work with that age group, I like your confidence that 12-year-olds think. They do. But many of the conclusions they reach are the conclusions of 12-year-olds. That you realized "none of it was true" is the conclusion of a 12-year-old based on the thoughts of a 12-year-old. A lot of those thoughts are based on But I don't want to...

How many of the Church Fathers, Thomas Aquinas, and other great theologians of the past (or even the present) have you read/studied in your adult years?

 

[BreezeWood]

It seems that way to you because you don't yet believe that Jesus is God.

When you believe and understand that, you'll see that stating Jesus is the only way is like saying 2+2=4. It's just the truth.

the claim as god is made by the jews of jesus who was aware of the inevitable entrapment and prevailed, innocent of their injustice by giving his life as proof of his mortality.

- and their sin for eternity without repentance. as well the loss to humanity of a fearless itinerant the jews for the price of silver sold their souls.

 

[buttercup]

Not all believers were born into the church or raised as Christians. Many of them do fall away from the teachings because of their lack of relationship with God.

There are many of us that have come to the faith because of things that have happened in our lives, that there is no other answer than a 'Supreme Being', and each one has their own story to tell of their faith journey. That we KNOW by experience.

Do you not know the difference between right and wrong??? Did you not know that difference even as a child???? Just because you grew away from the faith and now reject it, it doesn't take away that inborn sense of something greater than yourself is out there.

And whether you consciously believe that or not, it's still there....or you wouldn't be constantly arguing against it in every post on this board

I was going to say something very similar to him... so thank you for saying pretty much what I was going to say.

I didn't grow up in a Christian home. In the past, I never thought I'd be a Christian one day. But here I am. Best decision I ever made.

He also doesn't seem to realize that there are millions of Christians in other parts of the world, that are not considered to be "Christian countries."

God can reach anyone, anywhere.

 

[rightwinger]

Since I work with that age group, I like your confidence that 12-year-olds think. They do. But many of the conclusions they reach are the conclusions of 12-year-olds. That you realized "none of it was true" is the conclusion of a 12-year-old based on the thoughts of a 12-year-old. A lot of those thoughts are based on But I don't want to...

How many of the Church Fathers, Thomas Aquinas, and other great theologians of the past (or even the present) have you read/studied in your adult years?

At 12, I realized many of the stories and church doctrine were not true. By 18, I had discarded all of them. Fairy Tales

No desire to read great theologians

At what age did you dismiss Scientology?

 

[JustAnotherNut]

I was going to say something very similar to him... so thank you for saying pretty much what I was going to say.

I didn't grow up in a Christian home. In the past, I never thought I'd be a Christian one day. But here I am. Best decision I ever made.

He also doesn't seem to realize that there are millions of Christians in other parts of the world, that are not considered to be "Christian countries."

God can reach anyone, anywhere.

Neither was I raised in a Christian home. Anything to do with religion was usually a punch line to a very unchristian joke. As a kid I did sometimes go to church or Sunday school with other family or friends, Many different denominations. At 12, my dad sat me down and said neither he or Mom were interested because they had been forced to go as kids, but if I wanted to I could.....just don't expect them to join. Soon after, I quit going because I didn't believe and had only gone, just to get out of the house.

Later as an adult and after several 'events' and was saved, I did believe. I then wanted to go to church as a show of my thanks and said I will join the church that welcomes me with open arms. Of course I had no clue where to start that journey, so I started calling every church in the phone book. When that wasn't working, I was knocking on doors and that didn't turn out well either.

Finally I went back to the phone book and called the local Catholic church (last on my list) and made an appointment to speak with their intake person (sorry, I have no idea of their official title). When I arrived, the secretary was very nice and had me take a seat. When the person came out and seen me, she walked toward me with her arms open and gave me a hug. So I went thru catechism and was baptized into the Catholic church at 27 years old.


I had went for several years, then life kinda got in the way. Then having moved to another area and was wanting to go to church again, I went to a Lutheran church for several years until there was a big hullaballoo over a new pastor and I left and haven't been back since.



I am, and always have been 'rough' around the edges, but I do know Him and that He is my Lord and Savior

 

[kjw47]

Many believe all you need to do is have faith in Christ and believe in him. Not so. Mark 16:16 says one more thing is necessary to be saved. Baptism! Jesus himself said that no man can enter into the kingdom of God except he be baptized by water and by the spirit (given the holy ghost). Care to disagree?

Not only baptism. One must repent and turn around( stop doing the sin)Acts 3:19)--One must live now in this satan ruled system doing Jesus' Fathers will over self( Matt 7:21)--One must learn and obey.( John 15:10-14)--and they must do these things all the way until their end to be saved.( Matt 10:22)

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Not really
You are Christian not because it is the right religion but because your parents raised you that way
A Muslim is Muslim because he was raised that way

Mostly, but then God knocks you down and wakes you up and CALLS (SUMMONS)YOU into His Church.
You take is lightly because you risk NOTHING. MANY in Africa and the Middle East aren't so lucky

Accepting the CALLING In many places will get you dragged before the Muslim judges and you will be tortured, abused and murdered because you accepted His calling

 

[Meriweather]

At 12, I realized many of the stories and church doctrine were not true. By 18, I had discarded all of them. Fairy Tales

No desire to read great theologians

At what age did you dismiss Scientology?

At what age did you dismiss your family and your best friend? About seven percent of the world's population is atheist/agnostic. About fourteen percent are illiterate. About ninety-three percent do not do higher math.

You did not discard religion because you thought it was equal to fairy tales. You discarded religion due to lack of interest, pretty much the same reason people discard anything else. "Fairy tales" is your lame excuse, particularly lame because you could not define fairy tale. Probably all you know about them is that they are made up, and you decided God was made up, too. As an adult, it never interested you enough to challenge the conclusion of your 12-year-old self.

It's easy for you to dismiss what I or anyone else tell you about God because it goes straight into your bin of "I don't want to be bothered so I'll use the excuse of 'things made up'." I can only hope that if I had made that choice, my intelligence reached beyond that of the 12-year-old's "It's just a fairy tale." Do you know what I would say? It is easier to fathom a flea knowing human plans and purposes than it is for a human to fathom God, His plans, His purposes. Since it is not possible for me to have more than an inkling of knowing or understanding God, I'll just be human doing human things and let Him be God doing Godly things which are beyond my understanding. I'm not that interested in Him anyway.

As it is, I have an inkling of understanding, and I have the interest to expand that inkling to the point humanly possible, which is perhaps a quarter of a millimeter further.

 

[buttercup]

Two children die of a known disease and you're comparing Trump (who had nothing to do with it) to HITLER?

Have you lost your mind completely

Better to not feed the troll, imo. He's off topic anyway, as usual.

 

[Leo123]

Being 'saved' is the realization that the world does not revolve around oneself and it's OK. Being 'saved' means dropping the ego and just being. Most religions follow those principles. Call it 'saved' 'enlightened' or whatever.

 

[zaangalewa]

Me.

Then you are not responsible - because "to response" needs another part. To put it in Buddhist terms: “One hand alone cannot clap.” I guess indeed means "to be responsible" nothing else than to try to be able to give god an answer to his questions which we still do not know.



Verse 1
Faithfully and quietly surrounded by good powers,
wonderfully protected and comforted.
So I will live these days with you
And go with you into a new year.

Chorus
Wonderfully sheltered by good powers
we confidently await what may come.
God is with us in the evening and in the morning
and certainly on every new day.

Verse 2
The old will still torment our hearts,
the heavy burden of evil days still weighs us down.
Oh Lord, give our troubled souls
the salvation for which you have created us.

Verse 3
And if you give us the heavy cup, the bitter cup
of sorrow, filled to the brim,
we take it gratefully without trembling
from your good and beloved hand.

-----

Dietrich Bonhoefer was murdered 80 years ago because of his faith in god and his love for god and his children.

 

[zaangalewa]

Don’t you realize your Christianity is just an accident of birth?

If you were born in the Middle East, you would be Muslim
If you were born in India, you would be Hindu
if you were born in Utah, you would be Mormon

And the most strange thing: When finally aliens will visit the Earth they will land near Rome and visit our beloved Pope because they are Catholics on a pilgrimage to Andromeda and they like to be blessed from him for the next billion years.

 

[zaangalewa]

Not really
You are Christian not because it is the right religion but because your parents raised you that way
A Muslim is Muslim because he was raised that way
I am an Atheist because I was raised Catholic and realized it sounded like a bunch of fairy tales

I love fairy tales. Tell one. Tell me the fairy tale how you was a Catholic and you became an Atheist. And by the way : Why should an Atheist not be a Catholic? What would be a better expression for living hope?



Ich lebe mein Leben in wachsenden Ringen,
die sich über die Dinge ziehn.
Ich werde den letzten vielleicht nicht vollbringen,
aber versuchen will ich ihn.

Ich kreise um Gott, um den uralten Turm,
und ich kreise jahrtausendelang;
und ich weiß noch nicht: bin ich ein Falke, ein Sturm
oder ein großer Gesang.

-----

I live my life in growing rings
that stretch over things.
I may not accomplish the last one,
but I will try.

I circle around God, around the ancient tower,
and I circle for thousands of years;
and I do not yet know: am I a hawk, a storm
or a great song.

 

[rightwinger]

I love fairy tales. Tell one.

Snakes in a garden
Arks
Burning bushes
Virgin births

 

[zaangalewa]

Snakes in a garden

It was no snake - and sure it is possible that a snake is in a garden.

Arks

A wonderful meaningful story. Every child understands it. Makes a lot of sense. Specially the part with the rainbow. Wonderful.

Burning bushes

As far as I know this had happened exactly in this way. But it was only one time and only one bush. It was also only one ark - the ark.

Virgin births

Same problem: this also had happened only one time. Virgin = Young woman = No little girl any longer but also not married. With sexuality has this expression not really to do. Unfortunatelly men are often a little perverted in this context.

The important thing is "immaculate" is "free from sin" (including original sin). No one is able to make really a free decision who is a slave of sin. Mary was only able to say “May it be done to me according to your will” (="Yes") with her own totally free will to become the mother of the son of god.

By the way: When I told my children fairy tales then I did not only say "Snow White" and then put the book back. It needs also the magic of the word's of this fairy tale to understand it. Incidentally, it is not possible to conduct scientific research into individual events that do not have a repetitive character.

 

[BreezeWood]

Two children die of a known disease and you're comparing Trump (who had nothing to do with it) to HITLER?

Have you lost your mind completely

were they your children you prevent from proven medication ...

Kennedy arrives in Texas after a second unvaccinated child dies of measles amid the state’s outbreak ...​

sour sue can do as they please - were they attending a christian private school or were granted waivers blocking their children's preventative medications.

how reactionaries make things up to then have people vote for them as religious zealots. their excuse anyway.

 

[BreezeWood]

Better to not feed the troll, imo. He's off topic anyway, as usual.

run sweet sue - it's buttercup ...

"Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works." 2 John 1:9-11

or they will give you a spin ...

 

[Meriweather]

It was no snake - and sure it is possible that a snake is in a garden.

In addition, a snake in a prominent place in the story does not identify the story as a fairy tale, but a fable. Animals are used to personify behavior.