What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Pop23]

If they come to this country without documents proving who they are, and that the child is theirs, then yes they should be separated FOR THE CHILD'S PROTECTION.

PERIOD

 

[koshergrl]

There's a reason for separating the kids. The people trying to smuggle them in know that is what they are facing. For the most part, these are not safe people to leave children with..they tend not to really care what happens to them.

And the ones who are stellar wonderful parents who aren't traffickers or gang members or wanted for a crime somewhere..they will be reunited with their kids later. They knew that, they chose this route.

There are thousands of kids involved...kids do get lost in the system. It is not designed to handle this kind of load. I guarantee kids will get lost.

Then your messiah shouldn't have invited *this kind of load* to our border, with your fucking blessing.

Don't have a messiah and immigration has been down, it's also more than a year since Obama has been president.

Yes there are thousands of kids involved. The ones that were lost aren't babies..those are *kids* that are the so-called *dreamers*...in reality hard eyed gang members, communists, mules, and criminals.

No, these aren't dreamers, these are kids with families who are either caught at the border crossing illegally or declaring themselves as asylum seekers.

I wasn't talking to you, retard.

Then you should private message Coyote. You know how forums work, right?

And yes, they're dreamers. Teens who are either criminals, or victims of traffickers.

Yeah, I didn't think you knew who DACA recipients were.

I do know who daca recipients are.

And no, I'm not required to private message Coyote. I quoted her comment that I replied to. You know how forums work, right?

I think HJ maybe had a stroke over the weekend.

Or maybe i just never noticed how supremely dumb she is before.

As a matter of fact, usually I have her on ignore. I hate it when people who are a waste of time and air fall off my ignore list. Adios, loser.

 

[HappyJoy]

There are thousands of kids involved...kids do get lost in the system. It is not designed to handle this kind of load. I guarantee kids will get lost.

Then your messiah shouldn't have invited *this kind of load* to our border, with your fucking blessing.

Don't have a messiah and immigration has been down, it's also more than a year since Obama has been president.

Yes there are thousands of kids involved. The ones that were lost aren't babies..those are *kids* that are the so-called *dreamers*...in reality hard eyed gang members, communists, mules, and criminals.

No, these aren't dreamers, these are kids with families who are either caught at the border crossing illegally or declaring themselves as asylum seekers.

I wasn't talking to you, retard.

Then you should private message Coyote. You know how forums work, right?

And yes, they're dreamers. Teens who are either criminals, or victims of traffickers.

Yeah, I didn't think you knew who DACA recipients were.

I do know who daca recipients are.

Actually in your previous post you demonstrated that you didn't, feel free to correct that at any time.

And no, I'm not required to private message Coyote. I quoted her comment that I replied to. You know how forums work, right?

Nobody said you were required to, but when you post others are going to reply. Because? Yep, that's how forums work.

I think HJ maybe had a stroke over the weekend.

Or maybe i just never noticed how supremely dumb she is before.

Not that it matters but don't pretend you know anything about me as you didn't even get the most basic information correct.

As a matter of fact, usually I have her on ignore. I hate it when people who are a waste of time and air fall off my ignore list. Adios, loser.

Please, by all means put me on ignore it doesn't really matter.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So your suggestion is to just surrender.

Perhaps not be a total prick

Support for protecting your borders is being a total prick?

A hard and fast policy of Ripping kids from their parents is

Well then, perhaps LEFTISTS shouldn't have been total pricks and insisted on it.

Link?

I have linked this dozens of times already in this thread. If you didn't bother to read them then, or have some sort of short-term memory deficiency, that is not my problem, nor am I going to let you do the leftist song-and-dance of "Derail the thread by pretending it's a new world every day".

Take your lazy, ignorant ass back through the thread and find any of the other times I've referenced this and read them. Or don't, in which case everyone will know that you don't give a shit about the truth.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

None of this stuff would be an issue if the Latin American Socialists were not destroying their own countries and driving their populations into flight.

Honduras which is where most of the asylum seekers are coming from is a democratic republic like the US but the leadership is far right. Honduras is a great example what can happen in a poor country under far right conservative leadership. The government, the national and local police are so corrupt it's hard to say whether the gangs or the police are worse.

The most recent numbers available actually show that 80% of refugees seeking asylum in the US come from Africa.

Link?

Refugees and Asylees in the United States

I shall wait eagerly for you to apply the same demands for proof from your ass-buddy, Flopper, for HIS claim . . . but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Support for protecting your borders is being a total prick?

A hard and fast policy of Ripping kids from their parents is

Well then, perhaps LEFTISTS shouldn't have been total pricks and insisted on it.

Link?

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online

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That is our wonderful justice system and Constitution, NOT LEFTISTS, CONSPIRACY NUT JOBS.

Except that our "wonderful justice system" was ruling on a class-action lawsuit brought by LEFTIST NUT JOBS.

 

[Cecilie1200]

A hard and fast policy of Ripping kids from their parents is

Well then, perhaps LEFTISTS shouldn't have been total pricks and insisted on it.

Link?

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online

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That is our wonderful justice system and Constitution, NOT LEFTISTS, CONSPIRACY NUT JOBS.

Who do you think filed the suit? Commiecrats always use the courts when they can't get their way. Your dear leader gave the parent a NTA, Trump isn't being so generous.


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True. The original Flores settlement was in regards to a class-action lawsuit brought by two different leftist groups, and assisted by the ACLU, which ain't exactly right-wing. The ruling which extended the Flores settlement to accompanied minors was ALSO in response to a suit brought by the same group of leftists. Interestingly, one NOW has to really dig to find the names of those groups, because NOW they don't want to claim it as a "victory". Only the ACLU will publicly claim any connection to bringing those judgements about.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Maybe obey our Laws and enter the Country legally? It's a thought.

I have no problem with that. I have no problem with a hearing and, if determined deportation.

Do you think it's necessary to inact this draconian policy in the meantime?

Given that it's the law, yes. I realize that eight years of Obama gave you the impression that the law is whatever the hell the Imperial President decides it is, but that's not actually the case.

If you didn't want to obey the law and deal with the consequences, you leftists shouldn't have demanded it in the first place.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

Then, separating children from their parents if they parents happen to be murderers, robbers, thieves, drug dealers, et cetera, is evil and thus the children must accompany them into state and federal penitentiaries?
To cross a border without going through customs IS ACTUALLY a crime and as a crime has been committed, the individuals who did this, must be processed accordingly and any separation they experience is both temporary and done in a safe manner, plus, all minors are treated well and are put back with the family as soon as possible...….AND....DEPORTED, as they should be. There is a process for entering foreign nations and that process must be followed by those seeking to enter the nation.
Further, two other related issues:
1. All who seek to enter, must be thoroughly vetted to ensure that we are not getting known murderers, rapists, thieves, drug-cartel members, deadbeat dads, or terrorists. We have enough of them as it is.
2. Many of those coming over illegally, come from Central America, claiming to be leaving their own nation in fear for their lives.....it would be logical if they left a city they were in danger in and just went to another city in their own country or, if they didn't feel safe in their own nation, they can enter the very next nation to them and would thus not only be safe, but also be entering a nation which has the same language.
Last, this open borders concept is dangerous, one only has to look at what is happening in Europe, as they let in millions of Muslims and are now paying the deadly price for doing so. Terrorist attacks and especially rapes are commonplace.

Murderers, robbers, thieves, drug dealers are dangerous and those are felonies.

Illegally entering the country is a misdeamenor in most cases.

This isn't about open borders, it's about what to do between arrest and a hearing.


They are not necessarily treated well. They range in age from a few months of age to teens, and the younger they are the less they understand what is happening, only that they are forceably removed from the only people they know in a country they don't know and put with strangers. Because this wasn't the policy before, the are put into over crowded former military barracks, not with families. The foster system can't handle the overload. As to reunited as "soon as possible" - parents aren't even told where their children are and the numbers are so great those kids may very well get lost.

‘They just took them?’ Frantic parents separated from their kids fill courts on the border

You know what happens when you get arrested for anything which can include jail time? "Between arrest and a hearing"? They put your ass in a jail cell to await your hearing. If you have a child with you when you're arrested, the appropriate child welfare authorities take custody of the kid until an appropriate guardian - preferably a family member - can be located.

EXACTLY the same as what's happening here. Your ignorance of the legal system is astounding.

 

[koshergrl]

Si, senorita.

I'm sure it makes you happy.

Better than having a Chico lover agree with me.

What did you call me? Chico is boy in Spanish, you're a mod, what the fuck is wrong with you?

EDIT: You're not a mod, I had you confused with someone who uses 'Taz' in their name, I'm glad to see that he hasn't lost his god damned mind and is an entirely different person than you.

You are a fucking retard.

Seriously.

You've never admitted a mistake before, have you?

You're a retard, mistake or no mistake. The mistake is irrelevant.

But you're still a retard.

 

[koshergrl]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

Then, separating children from their parents if they parents happen to be murderers, robbers, thieves, drug dealers, et cetera, is evil and thus the children must accompany them into state and federal penitentiaries?
To cross a border without going through customs IS ACTUALLY a crime and as a crime has been committed, the individuals who did this, must be processed accordingly and any separation they experience is both temporary and done in a safe manner, plus, all minors are treated well and are put back with the family as soon as possible...….AND....DEPORTED, as they should be. There is a process for entering foreign nations and that process must be followed by those seeking to enter the nation.
Further, two other related issues:
1. All who seek to enter, must be thoroughly vetted to ensure that we are not getting known murderers, rapists, thieves, drug-cartel members, deadbeat dads, or terrorists. We have enough of them as it is.
2. Many of those coming over illegally, come from Central America, claiming to be leaving their own nation in fear for their lives.....it would be logical if they left a city they were in danger in and just went to another city in their own country or, if they didn't feel safe in their own nation, they can enter the very next nation to them and would thus not only be safe, but also be entering a nation which has the same language.
Last, this open borders concept is dangerous, one only has to look at what is happening in Europe, as they let in millions of Muslims and are now paying the deadly price for doing so. Terrorist attacks and especially rapes are commonplace.

Murderers, robbers, thieves, drug dealers are dangerous and those are felonies.

Illegally entering the country is a misdeamenor in most cases.

This isn't about open borders, it's about what to do between arrest and a hearing.


They are not necessarily treated well. They range in age from a few months of age to teens, and the younger they are the less they understand what is happening, only that they are forceably removed from the only people they know in a country they don't know and put with strangers. Because this wasn't the policy before, the are put into over crowded former military barracks, not with families. The foster system can't handle the overload. As to reunited as "soon as possible" - parents aren't even told where their children are and the numbers are so great those kids may very well get lost.

‘They just took them?’ Frantic parents separated from their kids fill courts on the border

You know what happens when you get arrested for anything which can include jail time? "Between arrest and a hearing"? They put your ass in a jail cell to await your hearing. If you have a child with you when you're arrested, the appropriate child welfare authorities take custody of the kid until an appropriate guardian - preferably a family member - can be located.

EXACTLY the same as what's happening here. Your ignorance of the legal system is astounding.

They aren't taught anything at all except how to mindlessly defend the state if the state says there's a victim. No matter what.

Then nazis claimed Germans were the victims of Jews. You see how that works.

Progressives claim MS13 and human traffickers are the *victims* of mean conservatives.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Maybe obey our Laws and enter the Country legally? It's a thought.

I have no problem with that. I have no problem with a hearing and, if determined deportation.

Do you think it's necessary to inact this draconian policy in the meantime?

It's been proven it is in accordance with a federal court order, yet you refuse to acknowledge that FACT. You're starting to sound like the broken record Matthew.


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I really don't care who I sound like to *you*. Agencies have ALWAYS had discretion in these matters. You refuse to acknowledge that.

The only discretion ICE has in this matter is to extend the detention of the children to up to 20 days if they have a backlog of cases. There's a reason why people "refuse to acknowledge" your ignorant assumptions, absent any proof to back them up.

 

[Cecilie1200]

They come anyways knowing what will happen, so not our problem.

They are following the law, like I said there is no reason to separate families other than spite. We need immigration into this country, our economy depends on it.

We need EDUCATED immigration, not just maids and fruit pickers.

No, actually we don't.

More Unskilled Workers, Please

Unskilled Immigrants Do Not Harm Americans

The Danger From Low-Skilled Immigrants: Not Having Them

Read the articles, I could pull out quotes from them but I get the feeling I'm already wasting my time linking the articles.

Other than that treating people like cattle is inhumane no matter how you want to make excuses for it.

Sorry, I don't believe in open borders. And I don't believe in filling the country with unskilled workers. I didn't say we didn't need ANY, just not a free-for-all.

Despite the narrative that uneducated, unskilled immigrants enter the US to dominate the job market, the data tells a different story. Foreign-born individuals in the U.S are just as likely as native born Americans to be college educated with 1/3 of immigrants holding a bachelor’s degree or higher. America has switched from importing people who are, on average less educated than the natives to people who are better educated. If immigration quotas and trends remain unchanged, leadership in America business is going to look a lot different in the future.
Nearly Half of Immigrants Enter the U.S. With a College Degree

And there's that disingenuous conflation of legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. Sorry, but you don't get to hide the illegals we're actually discussing behind the coat tails of the legal immigrants.

Go ahead, try to pretend you think 1/3 of illegal immigrants have a bachelor's degree. I dare you.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They don't see them as human.

A human would go the the Port of Entry and present their immigrant visa that they obtained at the US Consulate in Mexico City.

A fucking animal crosses anywhere they can get away with it.

So yeah, there's that aspect.

An animal? Yep, you guys love to treat other humans as 'animals'.

BTW, it's not illegal to arrive at the border and present yourself as an asylum seeker, putz.

They can also do that at the US Consulate in Mexico City, dipshit. People who cross into the US illegally are no different than wild dogs.

I suppose, but why does it matter if it's legal either way?

Dipshit, seeking asylum at the border is not crossing it illegally.

And even those who do try to cross illegally, they aren't dogs, they are still people and should be treated as such, especially in our justice system it's what separates the United States from the likes of Cuba, China, Saudi Arabia and others.

They are not people. They are goddamn animals. If they were people they would respect borders and laws. They would obtain the proper legal paperwork and go to a legal Port of Entry where they would ask for permission to enter our country. They are fucking animals that pay no attention to such things. I don't know what the purpose is of the radical fascist leftist in this country who are trying to undermine our borders, but it can't be good. Maybe you can tell us.

They would obtain the proper legal paperwork and go to a legal Port of Entry where they would ask for permission to enter our country. They are fucking animals that pay no attention to such things.

The Trump admin is separating even those asylum seekers who appear at a port of entry.
There is no crime in applying for asylum. It is a legal process.

ACLU: Trump administration forcibly separating asylum-seekers from their children

A mother and her 7-year-old daughter escaping persecution and "near certain death" by fleeing the Democratic Republic of Congohave been separated for nearly four months, according to a legal complaint filed today by the ACLU.

Referred to in the case as "Ms. L" and "S.S.," the mother and daughter arrived in San Ysidro, California, Nov. 1. They told border guards they were seeking asylum, according to the court documents. Ms. L passed what's called a "credible fear interview," where an officer determined she and S.S. had a "significant possibility of ultimately receiving asylum."

Like many asylum-seekers, the two were detained while their application was processed. Under longstanding policy, families typically are kept intact at detention centers or released with a court date.

But just four days after arriving in the U.S., Ms. L was sent to Otay Mesa Detention Center in San Diego County while S.S. was ripped away from her and flown to another center in Chicago, according to the filing. S.S. speaks Lingala, a few words of Spanish and no English.

Contacted by ABC News about the case, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson said the department does not comment on pending litigation.

The complaint claims, "When the officers separated them, Ms. L. could hear her daughter in the next room frantically screaming that she wanted to remain with her mother.” Ms. L said that no one involved in the process explained that her daughter would be taken away, to where she would be taken or when they would next see each other.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Explain to me how a policy that confiscates 100% of the children makes that distinction?

I will wait.

When are you going to get through your head that the federal courts say a child can't be detained more than 9 days. The courts are dictating the removal of children, not the administration.


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Removal of children to where? The streets? back home to their home countries where they belong? in 9 days. Ok.

I never saw the 9 day rule but I'm sure there must be one. Children who accompany parents to detention are either held with parents in a family detention center or they're separated. Currently the administration opts to separate the parents and their children.

The children are turned over to US Health and Human Services who keep them until they are turned over to a foster care agency for placement. In foster care, they are often moved from family to family. Recently it was reported that DHS was unable to determine the whereabouts of nearly 1500 kids. This means the parents will likely be deported without their kids under the Trump zero tolerance policy.

The administration doesn't "opt" for anything. The law says that children cannot be detained longer than 5 days, unless there's a huge backlog of cases, in which case it can be extended to 20 days, but that's it. The administration has no choice, unless you want President Trump to act like King Trump and simply rewrite the law himself (as Obama did).

This is NOT "Trump's policy". HIS policy is not to use this as an excuse to turn the adults loose and let them wander away and vanish.

As for "1500 missing kids", you really need to stop getting your "news" from social media. HHS reported that it made follow-up calls to check on the kids, and about 1500 of them couldn't be reached by phone and their guardians didn't call back. Do you usually overreact and assume someone is "missing" if they don't answer the phone?

It certainly is an option. There are over half dozen family detention centers used by ICE. Families can be detained in family detention centers, but not un-escorted children.

Taking children away from parents is an old and rather discussing tactic used by every administration. It goes like this. Plead no contest or not guilty and you will be united with your family. Plead guilty and you can be detained and separated from your family for up to a year waiting for trial, and no we have no information as to what has happened to your family. Not surprising, almost all parents plead guilty and the administration gets faster deportations.

It certainly is NOT an option, unless you're a leftist who thinks the President can ignore the law at will (except, of course, if Trump actually did that the way Obama used to, THEN you'd be screaming bloody murder like the partisan hypocritical hack that you are).

And your info on family detention centers is way off.

The facts about family detention

In 2009, Grassroots Leadership and our allies won a major victory when the Obama Administration announced that families would no longer be detained at the T. Don Hutto detention center, a private prison in Taylor, Texas. The administration also announced that no new family detention centers would be opened. Only one family detention center remained in Berks County, Pennsylvania, with less than 100 total beds. Since 2009, most families seeking asylum have generally not been detained while their asylum cases proceed through immigration courts.

This is the primary leftist group which has been behind the entire law you are so decrying and trying to blame on President Trump. And the last line of this paragraph tells us all why: so that you can slip open-border policy in on the sly, and use the children as human shields to let their parents wander away into the population.

However, in 2014, the Obama administration announced that it would renew the mass detention of immigrant families. A family detention center was opened in July at a law enforcement training center in Artesia, New Mexico. The administration then announced that it would start detaining families at a GEO Group-operated facility in Karnes County, Texas and that it would expand the Berks County detention center.

So there are ACTUALLY only three detention centers for families.

You need to get current, fast. Maybe start by using the Internet for something other than social media, porn, and HuffPo. All of this information is readily available, if you ever genuinely gave a tin shit about finding out the truth.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Maybe obey our Laws and enter the Country legally? It's a thought.

I have no problem with that. I have no problem with a hearing and, if determined deportation.

Do you think it's necessary to inact this draconian policy in the meantime?

My understanding is that it would be inhumane to house small children in adult detention facilities with potential pedophiles or other serious criminals. Kind of makes sense doesn't? Would you want your 8 year old child housed in a maximum security prison with adult male inmates? My guess is probably not.

That is why kids are adults are separated. Plus...it is the Law. And we are a Nation of Laws or should be.

Actually, the real reason is that the left was coldbloodedly using these children as a means to back-door open border policy into practice without the messy entanglements of passing laws through the legislature and letting citizens have a say in it.

The policy we are discussing was THEIR idea, not ours, and was touted as "the only humane thing to do", and family detention was vilified as "eeeevil", for just as long as the government was willing to use it as an excuse to release the entire family and let them disappear.

 

[koshergrl]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Maybe obey our Laws and enter the Country legally? It's a thought.

I have no problem with that. I have no problem with a hearing and, if determined deportation.

Do you think it's necessary to inact this draconian policy in the meantime?

My understanding is that it would be inhumane to house small children in adult detention facilities with potential pedophiles or other serious criminals. Kind of makes sense doesn't? Would you want your 8 year old child housed in a maximum security prison with adult male inmates? My guess is probably not.

That is why kids are adults are separated. Plus...it is the Law. And we are a Nation of Laws or should be.

Actually, the real reason is that the left was coldbloodedly using these children as a means to back-door open border policy into practice without the messy entanglements of passing laws through the legislature and letting citizens have a say in it.

The policy we are discussing was THEIR idea, not ours, and was touted as "the only humane thing to do", and family detention was vilified as "eeeevil", for just as long as the government was willing to use it as an excuse to release the entire family and let them disappear.

Exactly. Coyote whining that we aren't equipped to deal with such a huge influx...NO SHIT.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Maybe obey our Laws and enter the Country legally? It's a thought.

I have no problem with that. I have no problem with a hearing and, if determined deportation.

Do you think it's necessary to inact this draconian policy in the meantime?

My understanding is that it would be inhumane to house small children in adult detention facilities with potential pedophiles or other serious criminals. Kind of makes sense doesn't? Would you want your 8 year old child housed in a maximum security prison with adult male inmates? My guess is probably not.

That is why kids are adults are separated. Plus...it is the Law. And we are a Nation of Laws or should be.

We are a nation of laws but we also can exercise discretion. Families don’t have to be housed in with serious offenders. Kids don’t have to be removed. We exercised this discretion before why not now?

Sorry, but thanks to you leftists, families can't be housed, period. In addition to demanding that kids had to be released IMMEDIATELY and couldn't be detained, leftists also insisted that family detention centers be shut down, because they were "eeeeevil". Don't even give me "we exercised this discretion before why not now". The reason why not is because it stopped fitting the left's ultimate, underhanded agenda. No other reason.

You lying sacks don't believe this policy is "eeevil and inhumane" now any more than you believed the exact reverse of it was "eeeevil and inhumane" back when THAT was your stated position. The truth is that you profess to believe whatever will get you closer to your goal of simply letting people wander across the border unimpeded, and fuck honesty, facts, the rule of law, and the rights and desires of your fellow citizens. Your ends are so pure and noble and morally superior to everything that they justify any means, right?

Well, you hypocrites made this mess, and the rest of us are no longer even trying to follow the whiplash of your "THIS is moral NOW" course changes, and we sure as shit are not letting you get away with trying to blame President Trump for policies which 100% belong at YOUR doorstep. We have your number now, and you get to blame no one but yourselves.

 

[koshergrl]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Maybe obey our Laws and enter the Country legally? It's a thought.

I have no problem with that. I have no problem with a hearing and, if determined deportation.

Do you think it's necessary to inact this draconian policy in the meantime?

My understanding is that it would be inhumane to house small children in adult detention facilities with potential pedophiles or other serious criminals. Kind of makes sense doesn't? Would you want your 8 year old child housed in a maximum security prison with adult male inmates? My guess is probably not.

That is why kids are adults are separated. Plus...it is the Law. And we are a Nation of Laws or should be.

We are a nation of laws but we also can exercise discretion. Families don’t have to be housed in with serious offenders. Kids don’t have to be removed. We exercised this discretion before why not now?

Sorry, but thanks to you leftists, families can't be housed, period. In addition to demanding that kids had to be released IMMEDIATELY and couldn't be detained, leftists also insisted that family detention centers be shut down, because they were "eeeeevil". Don't even give me "we exercised this discretion before why not now". The reason why not is because it stopped fitting the left's ultimate, underhanded agenda. No other reason.

You lying sacks don't believe this policy is "eeevil and inhumane" now any more than you believed the exact reverse of it was "eeeevil and inhumane" back when THAT was your stated position. The truth is that you profess to believe whatever will get you closer to your goal of simply letting people wander across the border unimpeded, and fuck honesty, facts, the rule of law, and the rights and desires of your fellow citizens. Your ends are so pure and noble and morally superior to everything that they justify any means, right?

Well, you hypocrites made this mess, and the rest of us are no longer even trying to follow the whiplash of your "THIS is moral NOW" course changes, and we sure as shit are not letting you get away with trying to blame President Trump for policies which 100% belong at YOUR doorstep. We have your number now, and you get to blame no one but yourselves.

And they continue to think that children are a suitable sacrifice to be made at the altar of globalism/communism.

 

[Taz]

I don't consider all of Central America asylum seekers. Their counties are shit, that's not a legit reason.

Guess what, 'all of Central America' is not seeking asylum. Anyway, there is such a thing as economic asylum seekers, that you don't recognize that status exists means you need to read more.

Who is an asylum seeker, and who is a refugee?

As defined in Article 1(1)(a) of the 1951 Convention for Refugee Protection, a refugee is an individual who is fleeing his/her country of origin, owing to a well-founded fear of persecution on grounds of race, nationality, ethnicity, or affiliation to a particular political group. An asylum seeker is a person who has yet to make an application to the host country, or is awaiting a decision on an application or claim that has already been made or submitted. As with refugee law, under human rights law as well, (eg., Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights), every individual has a right to ask a State for asylum; however, there exists no duty on States to grant asylum, but only to consider fairly the claim for asylum made before them. While every asylum seeker might not become a refugee (if their claim is denied), every refugee at some point has been an asylum seeker (awaiting a refugee status determination).

Distinguishing Between Asylum Seekers and Economic Migrants: An Analysis of State Practice

We are legally obliged to consider all people seeking asylum. And they are people, not animals and should be treated as human but for whatever god damned reason you want asylum seekers to pay some sort of emotional price for their decision to better their lives from where they came from and to do it legally. Kind of fucked up on your part.

Go eat another fucking taco, you sweaty beaner, because you ain't getting all your friends and relatives in. Anchor babies or not.

There we go, don't have an argument so you go full on wingnut.

No, the argument against letting Central America rape us is still valid. Now go make me some tequila.

Central America isn't raping us, not sure why you're having that fantasy. That is one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard.

Actually, we've done our share of harm to the region to include supporting dictators and right wing death squads.

Sorry, your friends can't ALL come here. Some is ok, we still need some uneducated laborers, but not everyone.