What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[pismoe]

because everything is good for mexico . They get rid of their poor and the poor make money in the USA that they send back to mexico . There is no reason for mexico to help anything for anyone but themselves Clementine .

 

[Clementine]

Remember this? After the mother gave her life to get her son to the U.S., Clinton administration took the child at gunpoint and returned him to a hellhole. Such compassion.

 

[Ame®icano]

The claim: "immigrant children are separated from parents".

The truth: Anyone crossing border illegally is not an immigrant. Immigrants are those who have a legal status in the US. These are illegals, so stop calling them immigrants.

It's time put an end to liberal shills posting bullshit claims.

Here is a good article that explains this current situation with children of illegals.

The Truth about Separating Kids

For the longest time, illegal immigration was driven by single males from Mexico. Over the last decade, the flow has shifted to women, children, and family units from Central America. This poses challenges we haven’t confronted before and has made what once were relatively minor wrinkles in the law loom very large.

The past practice had been to give a free pass to an adult who is part of a family unit. The new Trump policy is to prosecute all adults. The idea is to send a signal that we are serious about our laws and to create a deterrent against re-entry. (Illegal entry is a misdemeanor, illegal re-entry a felony.)

The Trump administration isn’t changing the rules that pertain to separating an adult from the child. Those remain the same. Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings.

And where were you lefties crying about "concentration camps" and calling for uprising, like Pelosi did, when Obama was doing the same thing, just on larger scale?

Obama held more than double of number of children in shelters compared to Trump White House

 

[Flopper]

Any ICE agent could tell you the real reason for separating parents from their kids. Recently in Texas immigration court, 57 parents appeared before an immigration judge and all but one plead guilty after being told that if they plead guilty, they will be united with their kids and deported. If they ask for a trial, they will be detained till the trial. Detention can be as long as one year. It's just a legal form of extortion.

And the Orange Clown appears on TV and says, "I really care about these kids."

Sooner or later karma catches up to everyone.

It will certain catch up with Trump. The question is how much damage will be done to the nation before that happens.

I would be willing to bet that most Americans don't even know what's going on at the border, and the ones that do, many don't care either.

Trump won because of the border and immigration issues. People like me who are sick of pressing 1 to speak to an English speaking person, those who live where a lot of illegals live, those who are battling crime; some brought to us by illegals, those who watch as foreigners are taking our jobs for less money, we are all fed up with it, especially when our representatives tell us we need "immigration reform" instead of telling us what we really want to hear which is shut down the border, or at least get as close as we can to it.

So what damage to the nation do you speak of? I see no damage. If anything, I see taking a tougher stance on illegals which is what many of us want in the first place.

What damage? trade wars, broken alliances with our most supportive allies, handing the Pacific Rim trade to China, actions that will do irreparably damage to the environment, and leadership by a man that has the morals of a tomcat in heat who praises mass murders like Kim Jon Un and Putin.

What planet are you from? Do really think Trump is going to stop globalization and the flow of people and ideas into this country. You dial 1 for English because 1/4 of all Americans speak languages other than English and that's not going to change. Also the call centers you dial into are international and serve other countries as well as the US. Even Trump's highly publicized efforts to turn American into an Aryan/Anglo nation isolated from the world will fail.

Trump isn't going to change any of this but he is going to create more division and hatred. I know conservatives thrive on hatred and division but it's going bite you guys in ass eventually.

I seem to remember a time not long ago when everybody spoke the same language and things were fine...if not better.

You people one the left complain when Republicans are in charge because you believe they are war mongers. Yet when we have a President trying to get along with enemies, you say they are praising our foes.

But you hit the nail on the head: a quarter of our people speak other languages. Yes, that is a problem because you have a bunch of lazy good for nothings coming here that won't even take the time or effort to learn our language. They expect us to learn theirs. In other words, they are not assimilating.

Trump may not stop the decay of our country, but he can certainly slow it down. That's why we voted him in.

Those lazy good for nothings,

• Start 30% of all new businesses
• Employ an estimated 4.7 million people
• Despite making up only 16 percent of the resident population holding a bachelor’s degree or higher, immigrants represent 33 percent of engineers, 27 percent of mathematicians, statisticians, and computer scientist, and 24 percent of physical scientists
• Purchasing power of Latinos and Asians, many of whom are immigrants, alone reached $1.5 trillion and $775 billion in 2016
• Comprehensive immigration reform could support and create up to 900,000 new jobs within three years of reform from the increase in consumer spending, according to the Center for American Progress.

I didn't say 1/4 of Americans did not speak English. I said they spoke other languages. Most legal immigrants to the US speak English. Like Americans living in other countries, they speak the language but they are more comfortable speaking their native tongue.

Like it or not, the future of America rides on our ability to bring fresh blood and new idea into the country. We can not grow and prosper in isolationism. We have to use American know how and technology to make American workers the most productive in the world. We can't rely on tariffs to protect American workers. They have to compete with rest of the world.

BTW I was around in the days when "everybody" spoke English and life was just great. Memory is kind. We tend to forget the smog that blocked out the sun in many cities, rivers that caught fire, owners of coal mimes denying the existence of black lung disease, huge fish kills in most of our rivers from pollution, newspaper articles listing the new cases of Polio daily, the American eagle heading for extinction, bomb shelters, duck and cover, a survey of high students that believed they would not survive to see their children grown, church burnings, back alley abortions, black hangings, doctors promoting cigarette smoking, farmers in the southwest importing workers & paying 25 cents/hr, black men shot for looking at white women, hotels and restaurants turning away Blacks and Jews, women making half the wages of men working in the same job, men beating their wives legal in 25 states, and half the US Mexican boarder unmarked and un-fenced.

 

[Ame®icano]

Sooner or later karma catches up to everyone.

It will certain catch up with Trump. The question is how much damage will be done to the nation before that happens.

I would be willing to bet that most Americans don't even know what's going on at the border, and the ones that do, many don't care either.

Trump won because of the border and immigration issues. People like me who are sick of pressing 1 to speak to an English speaking person, those who live where a lot of illegals live, those who are battling crime; some brought to us by illegals, those who watch as foreigners are taking our jobs for less money, we are all fed up with it, especially when our representatives tell us we need "immigration reform" instead of telling us what we really want to hear which is shut down the border, or at least get as close as we can to it.

So what damage to the nation do you speak of? I see no damage. If anything, I see taking a tougher stance on illegals which is what many of us want in the first place.

What damage? trade wars, broken alliances with our most supportive allies, handing the Pacific Rim trade to China, actions that will do irreparably damage to the environment, and leadership by a man that has the morals of a tomcat in heat who praises mass murders like Kim Jon Un and Putin.

What planet are you from? Do really think Trump is going to stop globalization and the flow of people and ideas into this country. You dial 1 for English because 1/4 of all Americans speak languages other than English and that's not going to change. Also the call centers you dial into are international and serve other countries as well as the US. Even Trump's highly publicized efforts to turn American into an Aryan/Anglo nation isolated from the world will fail.

Trump isn't going to change any of this but he is going to create more division and hatred. I know conservatives thrive on hatred and division but it's going bite you guys in ass eventually.

I seem to remember a time not long ago when everybody spoke the same language and things were fine...if not better.

You people one the left complain when Republicans are in charge because you believe they are war mongers. Yet when we have a President trying to get along with enemies, you say they are praising our foes.

But you hit the nail on the head: a quarter of our people speak other languages. Yes, that is a problem because you have a bunch of lazy good for nothings coming here that won't even take the time or effort to learn our language. They expect us to learn theirs. In other words, they are not assimilating.

Trump may not stop the decay of our country, but he can certainly slow it down. That's why we voted him in.

Those lazy good for nothings,

• Start 30% of all new businesses
• Employ an estimated 4.7 million people
• Despite making up only 16 percent of the resident population holding a bachelor’s degree or higher, immigrants represent 33 percent of engineers, 27 percent of mathematicians, statisticians, and computer scientist, and 24 percent of physical scientists
• Purchasing power of Latinos and Asians, many of whom are immigrants, alone reached $1.5 trillion and $775 billion in 2016
• Comprehensive immigration reform could support and create up to 900,000 new jobs within three years of reform from the increase in consumer spending, according to the Center for American Progress.

I didn't say 1/4 of Americans did not speak English. I said they spoke other languages. Most legal immigrants to the US speak English. Like Americans living in other countries, they speak the language but they are more comfortable speaking their native tongue.

Like it or not, the future of America rides on our ability to bring fresh blood and new idea into the country. We not can grow and prosper in isolationism. We have to use American know how and technology to make American workers the most productive in the world. We can't rely on tarries to protect American workers.

BTW I was around in the days when "everybody" spoke English and life was not so great. Memory is kind. We tend to forget the smog that blocked out the sun in many cities, rivers that caught fire, owners of coal mimes denying the existence of black lung disease, huge fish kills most of rivers from pollution, newspaper articles listing the new cases of Polio daily, the American eagle heading for extinction, bomb shelters, duck and cover, a survey of high students that believed they would not survive to see their children grown, church burnings, back alley abortions, black hangings, doctors promoting cigarette smoking, farmers in the southwest importing workers and paying 25 cents/hr, black men shot for looking at white women, hotels and restaurants turning away Blacks and Jews, women making half the wages of men working in the same job, and half the US Mexican boarder unmarked and un-fenced.

You equating immigrants and illegals.

 

[candycorn]

It will certain catch up with Trump. The question is how much damage will be done to the nation before that happens.

I would be willing to bet that most Americans don't even know what's going on at the border, and the ones that do, many don't care either.

Trump won because of the border and immigration issues. People like me who are sick of pressing 1 to speak to an English speaking person, those who live where a lot of illegals live, those who are battling crime; some brought to us by illegals, those who watch as foreigners are taking our jobs for less money, we are all fed up with it, especially when our representatives tell us we need "immigration reform" instead of telling us what we really want to hear which is shut down the border, or at least get as close as we can to it.

So what damage to the nation do you speak of? I see no damage. If anything, I see taking a tougher stance on illegals which is what many of us want in the first place.

What damage? trade wars, broken alliances with our most supportive allies, handing the Pacific Rim trade to China, actions that will do irreparably damage to the environment, and leadership by a man that has the morals of a tomcat in heat who praises mass murders like Kim Jon Un and Putin.

What planet are you from? Do really think Trump is going to stop globalization and the flow of people and ideas into this country. You dial 1 for English because 1/4 of all Americans speak languages other than English and that's not going to change. Also the call centers you dial into are international and serve other countries as well as the US. Even Trump's highly publicized efforts to turn American into an Aryan/Anglo nation isolated from the world will fail.

Trump isn't going to change any of this but he is going to create more division and hatred. I know conservatives thrive on hatred and division but it's going bite you guys in ass eventually.

I seem to remember a time not long ago when everybody spoke the same language and things were fine...if not better.

You people one the left complain when Republicans are in charge because you believe they are war mongers. Yet when we have a President trying to get along with enemies, you say they are praising our foes.

But you hit the nail on the head: a quarter of our people speak other languages. Yes, that is a problem because you have a bunch of lazy good for nothings coming here that won't even take the time or effort to learn our language. They expect us to learn theirs. In other words, they are not assimilating.

Trump may not stop the decay of our country, but he can certainly slow it down. That's why we voted him in.

Those lazy good for nothings,

• Start 30% of all new businesses
• Employ an estimated 4.7 million people
• Despite making up only 16 percent of the resident population holding a bachelor’s degree or higher, immigrants represent 33 percent of engineers, 27 percent of mathematicians, statisticians, and computer scientist, and 24 percent of physical scientists
• Purchasing power of Latinos and Asians, many of whom are immigrants, alone reached $1.5 trillion and $775 billion in 2016
• Comprehensive immigration reform could support and create up to 900,000 new jobs within three years of reform from the increase in consumer spending, according to the Center for American Progress.

I didn't say 1/4 of Americans did not speak English. I said they spoke other languages. Most legal immigrants to the US speak English. Like Americans living in other countries, they speak the language but they are more comfortable speaking their native tongue.

Like it or not, the future of America rides on our ability to bring fresh blood and new idea into the country. We not can grow and prosper in isolationism. We have to use American know how and technology to make American workers the most productive in the world. We can't rely on tarries to protect American workers.

BTW I was around in the days when "everybody" spoke English and life was not so great. Memory is kind. We tend to forget the smog that blocked out the sun in many cities, rivers that caught fire, owners of coal mimes denying the existence of black lung disease, huge fish kills most of rivers from pollution, newspaper articles listing the new cases of Polio daily, the American eagle heading for extinction, bomb shelters, duck and cover, a survey of high students that believed they would not survive to see their children grown, church burnings, back alley abortions, black hangings, doctors promoting cigarette smoking, farmers in the southwest importing workers and paying 25 cents/hr, black men shot for looking at white women, hotels and restaurants turning away Blacks and Jews, women making half the wages of men working in the same job, and half the US Mexican boarder unmarked and un-fenced.

You equating immigrants and illegals.

Not sure about Flopper's motives but earlier in this thread, Trump ass kissers referred to Mexicans as "beaners" and spoke about "preserving" the country. They didn't differentiate between illegals and immigrants...

 

[kaz]

It will certain catch up with Trump. The question is how much damage will be done to the nation before that happens.

I would be willing to bet that most Americans don't even know what's going on at the border, and the ones that do, many don't care either.

Trump won because of the border and immigration issues. People like me who are sick of pressing 1 to speak to an English speaking person, those who live where a lot of illegals live, those who are battling crime; some brought to us by illegals, those who watch as foreigners are taking our jobs for less money, we are all fed up with it, especially when our representatives tell us we need "immigration reform" instead of telling us what we really want to hear which is shut down the border, or at least get as close as we can to it.

So what damage to the nation do you speak of? I see no damage. If anything, I see taking a tougher stance on illegals which is what many of us want in the first place.

What damage? trade wars, broken alliances with our most supportive allies, handing the Pacific Rim trade to China, actions that will do irreparably damage the environment, and leadership by a man that has the morals of a tomcat in heat who praises mass murders like Kim Jon Un and Putin.

What planet are you from? Do really think Trump is going to stop globalization and the flow of people and ideas into this country. You dial 1 for English because 1/4 of all Americans speak languages other than English and that's not going to change. Also the call centers you dial into are international and serve other countries as well as the US. Even Trump's highly publicized efforts to turn American into Aryan/Anglo nation isolated from the world will fail.

Trump isn't going to change any of this but he is going to create more division and hatred. I know conservatives thrive on hatred and division but it's going bite you guys in ass eventually.

That you can blame the pacific rim on Trump over Obama shows the useless partisan hack that you are

Obama had positioned the US as the central nation in the Trans Pacific Partnership which represents roughly 40% of the world's economic output.

When Trump took the US out of the TPP, he and his
advisers were confident that it was doomed and would fall apart and the US would pickup the pieces. However, the organization has arisen with a new plan to carry forward without the US implementing the agreement which will amount to 350 billion in free trade. And guess who is looking at opening negotiations with the TPP. Yep, China. Trump's promise to negotiate bilateral trade agreements with each of these countries is as dead as a door nail now.
In April 2018, Trump said he was considering putting us back in the TPP, however it looks like that boat has sailed thanks to his trade war with China.
Another brilliant move by the Orange Clown.

I'm 55 and all my life until Trump Democrats argued against free trade. This is an issue that Democrats even ate their own on despite that you're lemmings. You attacked Bill for NAFTA. You attacked Hillary for NAFTA and made her disavow it. That's even the one thing you attacked Obama for. Even though it was secretly negotiated by a leftist, you attacked him for TPP. Now with Trump, suddenly leftists are all against tariffs. Including attacking people like me who opposed tariffs all my life and still do.

So a challenge. Show two things:

1) Any post where you opposed tariffs before November 8, 2016

2) Any post where you said to an actual Democrat you oppose tariffs ever

Flopper, where'd you go? Flopper?

Um ... Flopper?

 

[pismoe]

you will change the country to third world no matter if legal or illegal plus if a person has a job he doesn't need a newly created job Americano .

 

[Flopper]

The claim: "immigrant children are separated from parents".

The truth: Anyone crossing border illegally is not an immigrant. Immigrants are those who have a legal status in the US. These are illegals, so stop calling them immigrants.

It's time put an end to liberal shills posting bullshit claims.

Here is a good article that explains this current situation with children of illegals.

The Truth about Separating Kids

For the longest time, illegal immigration was driven by single males from Mexico. Over the last decade, the flow has shifted to women, children, and family units from Central America. This poses challenges we haven’t confronted before and has made what once were relatively minor wrinkles in the law loom very large.

The past practice had been to give a free pass to an adult who is part of a family unit. The new Trump policy is to prosecute all adults. The idea is to send a signal that we are serious about our laws and to create a deterrent against re-entry. (Illegal entry is a misdemeanor, illegal re-entry a felony.)

The Trump administration isn’t changing the rules that pertain to separating an adult from the child. Those remain the same. Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings.

And where were you lefties crying about "concentration camps" and calling for uprising, like Pelosi did, when Obama was doing the same thing, just on larger scale?

Obama held more than double of number of children in shelters compared to Trump White House

The only way Trump can deport 12 million people is with a ton of detention camps. You have to have a place to put them till you deport them. At the rate he is deporting it would take 53 years to deport them all. Of course he could try the Nazis final solution. His supporters would probably approve.

 

[pismoe]

I would be willing to bet that most Americans don't even know what's going on at the border, and the ones that do, many don't care either.

Trump won because of the border and immigration issues. People like me who are sick of pressing 1 to speak to an English speaking person, those who live where a lot of illegals live, those who are battling crime; some brought to us by illegals, those who watch as foreigners are taking our jobs for less money, we are all fed up with it, especially when our representatives tell us we need "immigration reform" instead of telling us what we really want to hear which is shut down the border, or at least get as close as we can to it.

So what damage to the nation do you speak of? I see no damage. If anything, I see taking a tougher stance on illegals which is what many of us want in the first place.

What damage? trade wars, broken alliances with our most supportive allies, handing the Pacific Rim trade to China, actions that will do irreparably damage to the environment, and leadership by a man that has the morals of a tomcat in heat who praises mass murders like Kim Jon Un and Putin.

What planet are you from? Do really think Trump is going to stop globalization and the flow of people and ideas into this country. You dial 1 for English because 1/4 of all Americans speak languages other than English and that's not going to change. Also the call centers you dial into are international and serve other countries as well as the US. Even Trump's highly publicized efforts to turn American into an Aryan/Anglo nation isolated from the world will fail.

Trump isn't going to change any of this but he is going to create more division and hatred. I know conservatives thrive on hatred and division but it's going bite you guys in ass eventually.

I seem to remember a time not long ago when everybody spoke the same language and things were fine...if not better.

You people one the left complain when Republicans are in charge because you believe they are war mongers. Yet when we have a President trying to get along with enemies, you say they are praising our foes.

But you hit the nail on the head: a quarter of our people speak other languages. Yes, that is a problem because you have a bunch of lazy good for nothings coming here that won't even take the time or effort to learn our language. They expect us to learn theirs. In other words, they are not assimilating.

Trump may not stop the decay of our country, but he can certainly slow it down. That's why we voted him in.

Those lazy good for nothings,

• Start 30% of all new businesses
• Employ an estimated 4.7 million people
• Despite making up only 16 percent of the resident population holding a bachelor’s degree or higher, immigrants represent 33 percent of engineers, 27 percent of mathematicians, statisticians, and computer scientist, and 24 percent of physical scientists
• Purchasing power of Latinos and Asians, many of whom are immigrants, alone reached $1.5 trillion and $775 billion in 2016
• Comprehensive immigration reform could support and create up to 900,000 new jobs within three years of reform from the increase in consumer spending, according to the Center for American Progress.

I didn't say 1/4 of Americans did not speak English. I said they spoke other languages. Most legal immigrants to the US speak English. Like Americans living in other countries, they speak the language but they are more comfortable speaking their native tongue.

Like it or not, the future of America rides on our ability to bring fresh blood and new idea into the country. We not can grow and prosper in isolationism. We have to use American know how and technology to make American workers the most productive in the world. We can't rely on tarries to protect American workers.

BTW I was around in the days when "everybody" spoke English and life was not so great. Memory is kind. We tend to forget the smog that blocked out the sun in many cities, rivers that caught fire, owners of coal mimes denying the existence of black lung disease, huge fish kills most of rivers from pollution, newspaper articles listing the new cases of Polio daily, the American eagle heading for extinction, bomb shelters, duck and cover, a survey of high students that believed they would not survive to see their children grown, church burnings, back alley abortions, black hangings, doctors promoting cigarette smoking, farmers in the southwest importing workers and paying 25 cents/hr, black men shot for looking at white women, hotels and restaurants turning away Blacks and Jews, women making half the wages of men working in the same job, and half the US Mexican boarder unmarked and un-fenced.

You equating immigrants and illegals.

Not sure about Flopper's motives but earlier in this thread, Trump ass kissers referred to Mexicans as "beaners" and spoke about "preserving" the country. They didn't differentiate between illegals and immigrants...

-------------------------------------------- yeah , legal or illegal , there is NO difference . Heck , its the government that makes the decision and the only difference is a word change Candy .

 

[pismoe]

and PRESERVE the country . Heck , enough third worlders and they will want their ways followed and many are peasants and 'subjects' with no RIGHTS in their homelands so with the vote they will vote for changes that are not Western or American . --------------- MORDIDA as one example will become the norm in the USA Candy .

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sooner or later karma catches up to everyone.

It will certain catch up with Trump. The question is how much damage will be done to the nation before that happens.

I would be willing to bet that most Americans don't even know what's going on at the border, and the ones that do, many don't care either.

Trump won because of the border and immigration issues. People like me who are sick of pressing 1 to speak to an English speaking person, those who live where a lot of illegals live, those who are battling crime; some brought to us by illegals, those who watch as foreigners are taking our jobs for less money, we are all fed up with it, especially when our representatives tell us we need "immigration reform" instead of telling us what we really want to hear which is shut down the border, or at least get as close as we can to it.

So what damage to the nation do you speak of? I see no damage. If anything, I see taking a tougher stance on illegals which is what many of us want in the first place.

What damage? trade wars, broken alliances with our most supportive allies, handing the Pacific Rim trade to China, actions that will do irreparably damage to the environment, and leadership by a man that has the morals of a tomcat in heat who praises mass murders like Kim Jon Un and Putin.

What planet are you from? Do really think Trump is going to stop globalization and the flow of people and ideas into this country. You dial 1 for English because 1/4 of all Americans speak languages other than English and that's not going to change. Also the call centers you dial into are international and serve other countries as well as the US. Even Trump's highly publicized efforts to turn American into an Aryan/Anglo nation isolated from the world will fail.

Trump isn't going to change any of this but he is going to create more division and hatred. I know conservatives thrive on hatred and division but it's going bite you guys in ass eventually.

I seem to remember a time not long ago when everybody spoke the same language and things were fine...if not better.

You people one the left complain when Republicans are in charge because you believe they are war mongers. Yet when we have a President trying to get along with enemies, you say they are praising our foes.

But you hit the nail on the head: a quarter of our people speak other languages. Yes, that is a problem because you have a bunch of lazy good for nothings coming here that won't even take the time or effort to learn our language. They expect us to learn theirs. In other words, they are not assimilating.

Trump may not stop the decay of our country, but he can certainly slow it down. That's why we voted him in.

Those lazy good for nothings,

• Start 30% of all new businesses
• Employ an estimated 4.7 million people
• Despite making up only 16 percent of the resident population holding a bachelor’s degree or higher, immigrants represent 33 percent of engineers, 27 percent of mathematicians, statisticians, and computer scientist, and 24 percent of physical scientists
• Purchasing power of Latinos and Asians, many of whom are immigrants, alone reached $1.5 trillion and $775 billion in 2016
• Comprehensive immigration reform could support and create up to 900,000 new jobs within three years of reform from the increase in consumer spending, according to the Center for American Progress.

I didn't say 1/4 of Americans did not speak English. I said they spoke other languages. Most legal immigrants to the US speak English. Like Americans living in other countries, they speak the language but they are more comfortable speaking their native tongue.

Like it or not, the future of America rides on our ability to bring fresh blood and new idea into the country. We can not grow and prosper in isolationism. We have to use American know how and technology to make American workers the most productive in the world. We can't rely on tariffs to protect American workers. They have to compete with rest of the world.

BTW I was around in the days when "everybody" spoke English and life was just great. Memory is kind. We tend to forget the smog that blocked out the sun in many cities, rivers that caught fire, owners of coal mimes denying the existence of black lung disease, huge fish kills in most of our rivers from pollution, newspaper articles listing the new cases of Polio daily, the American eagle heading for extinction, bomb shelters, duck and cover, a survey of high students that believed they would not survive to see their children grown, church burnings, back alley abortions, black hangings, doctors promoting cigarette smoking, farmers in the southwest importing workers & paying 25 cents/hr, black men shot for looking at white women, hotels and restaurants turning away Blacks and Jews, women making half the wages of men working in the same job, men beating their wives legal in 25 states, and half the US Mexican boarder unmarked and un-fenced.

How are we isolationists when we bring in a million people a year to live her LEGALLY plus all the Visa's and work permits? I would say a million a year is fresh blood.

And if these people are bilingual, WTF do we have ballots in their language, signs in their language, and yes, phone communications in their language? If they speak English just fine, then we wouldn't need any of that, now would we?

But of course as you know, they don't speak English; or at least enough of them don't where we believe we have to make accommodations.

 

[Ame®icano]

I would be willing to bet that most Americans don't even know what's going on at the border, and the ones that do, many don't care either.

Trump won because of the border and immigration issues. People like me who are sick of pressing 1 to speak to an English speaking person, those who live where a lot of illegals live, those who are battling crime; some brought to us by illegals, those who watch as foreigners are taking our jobs for less money, we are all fed up with it, especially when our representatives tell us we need "immigration reform" instead of telling us what we really want to hear which is shut down the border, or at least get as close as we can to it.

So what damage to the nation do you speak of? I see no damage. If anything, I see taking a tougher stance on illegals which is what many of us want in the first place.

What damage? trade wars, broken alliances with our most supportive allies, handing the Pacific Rim trade to China, actions that will do irreparably damage to the environment, and leadership by a man that has the morals of a tomcat in heat who praises mass murders like Kim Jon Un and Putin.

What planet are you from? Do really think Trump is going to stop globalization and the flow of people and ideas into this country. You dial 1 for English because 1/4 of all Americans speak languages other than English and that's not going to change. Also the call centers you dial into are international and serve other countries as well as the US. Even Trump's highly publicized efforts to turn American into an Aryan/Anglo nation isolated from the world will fail.

Trump isn't going to change any of this but he is going to create more division and hatred. I know conservatives thrive on hatred and division but it's going bite you guys in ass eventually.

I seem to remember a time not long ago when everybody spoke the same language and things were fine...if not better.

You people one the left complain when Republicans are in charge because you believe they are war mongers. Yet when we have a President trying to get along with enemies, you say they are praising our foes.

But you hit the nail on the head: a quarter of our people speak other languages. Yes, that is a problem because you have a bunch of lazy good for nothings coming here that won't even take the time or effort to learn our language. They expect us to learn theirs. In other words, they are not assimilating.

Trump may not stop the decay of our country, but he can certainly slow it down. That's why we voted him in.

Those lazy good for nothings,

• Start 30% of all new businesses
• Employ an estimated 4.7 million people
• Despite making up only 16 percent of the resident population holding a bachelor’s degree or higher, immigrants represent 33 percent of engineers, 27 percent of mathematicians, statisticians, and computer scientist, and 24 percent of physical scientists
• Purchasing power of Latinos and Asians, many of whom are immigrants, alone reached $1.5 trillion and $775 billion in 2016
• Comprehensive immigration reform could support and create up to 900,000 new jobs within three years of reform from the increase in consumer spending, according to the Center for American Progress.

I didn't say 1/4 of Americans did not speak English. I said they spoke other languages. Most legal immigrants to the US speak English. Like Americans living in other countries, they speak the language but they are more comfortable speaking their native tongue.

Like it or not, the future of America rides on our ability to bring fresh blood and new idea into the country. We not can grow and prosper in isolationism. We have to use American know how and technology to make American workers the most productive in the world. We can't rely on tarries to protect American workers.

BTW I was around in the days when "everybody" spoke English and life was not so great. Memory is kind. We tend to forget the smog that blocked out the sun in many cities, rivers that caught fire, owners of coal mimes denying the existence of black lung disease, huge fish kills most of rivers from pollution, newspaper articles listing the new cases of Polio daily, the American eagle heading for extinction, bomb shelters, duck and cover, a survey of high students that believed they would not survive to see their children grown, church burnings, back alley abortions, black hangings, doctors promoting cigarette smoking, farmers in the southwest importing workers and paying 25 cents/hr, black men shot for looking at white women, hotels and restaurants turning away Blacks and Jews, women making half the wages of men working in the same job, and half the US Mexican boarder unmarked and un-fenced.

You equating immigrants and illegals.

Not sure about Flopper's motives but earlier in this thread, Trump ass kissers referred to Mexicans as "beaners" and spoke about "preserving" the country. They didn't differentiate between illegals and immigrants...

Unless you clarify difference between immigrant beaners and illegal beaners, we can all assume that being beaner has nothing to do with immigration status.

 

[Ame®icano]

The claim: "immigrant children are separated from parents".

The truth: Anyone crossing border illegally is not an immigrant. Immigrants are those who have a legal status in the US. These are illegals, so stop calling them immigrants.

It's time put an end to liberal shills posting bullshit claims.

Here is a good article that explains this current situation with children of illegals.

The Truth about Separating Kids

For the longest time, illegal immigration was driven by single males from Mexico. Over the last decade, the flow has shifted to women, children, and family units from Central America. This poses challenges we haven’t confronted before and has made what once were relatively minor wrinkles in the law loom very large.

The past practice had been to give a free pass to an adult who is part of a family unit. The new Trump policy is to prosecute all adults. The idea is to send a signal that we are serious about our laws and to create a deterrent against re-entry. (Illegal entry is a misdemeanor, illegal re-entry a felony.)

The Trump administration isn’t changing the rules that pertain to separating an adult from the child. Those remain the same. Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings.

And where were you lefties crying about "concentration camps" and calling for uprising, like Pelosi did, when Obama was doing the same thing, just on larger scale?

Obama held more than double of number of children in shelters compared to Trump White House

The only way Trump can deport 12 million people is with a ton of detention camps. You have to have a place to put them till you deport them. At the rate he is deporting it would take 53 years to deport them all. Of course he could try the Nazis final solution. His supporters would probably approve.

i believe there is no need to deport anyone. Just deny all illegals jobs, healthcare, housing or any government service.

The final solution was national socialist thing, just as gulag was communist thing, or Japanese internment camps were progressive thing... you lefties should stop pretending we support any of it and start apologizing.

 

[Ame®icano]

Check the narrative: "undocumented immigrants".

 

[Ame®icano]

More false narrative. I don't think that immigrants have a reason to flee from the police. On the other hand, illegals...

 

[candycorn]

What damage? trade wars, broken alliances with our most supportive allies, handing the Pacific Rim trade to China, actions that will do irreparably damage to the environment, and leadership by a man that has the morals of a tomcat in heat who praises mass murders like Kim Jon Un and Putin.

What planet are you from? Do really think Trump is going to stop globalization and the flow of people and ideas into this country. You dial 1 for English because 1/4 of all Americans speak languages other than English and that's not going to change. Also the call centers you dial into are international and serve other countries as well as the US. Even Trump's highly publicized efforts to turn American into an Aryan/Anglo nation isolated from the world will fail.

Trump isn't going to change any of this but he is going to create more division and hatred. I know conservatives thrive on hatred and division but it's going bite you guys in ass eventually.

I seem to remember a time not long ago when everybody spoke the same language and things were fine...if not better.

You people one the left complain when Republicans are in charge because you believe they are war mongers. Yet when we have a President trying to get along with enemies, you say they are praising our foes.

But you hit the nail on the head: a quarter of our people speak other languages. Yes, that is a problem because you have a bunch of lazy good for nothings coming here that won't even take the time or effort to learn our language. They expect us to learn theirs. In other words, they are not assimilating.

Trump may not stop the decay of our country, but he can certainly slow it down. That's why we voted him in.

Those lazy good for nothings,

• Start 30% of all new businesses
• Employ an estimated 4.7 million people
• Despite making up only 16 percent of the resident population holding a bachelor’s degree or higher, immigrants represent 33 percent of engineers, 27 percent of mathematicians, statisticians, and computer scientist, and 24 percent of physical scientists
• Purchasing power of Latinos and Asians, many of whom are immigrants, alone reached $1.5 trillion and $775 billion in 2016
• Comprehensive immigration reform could support and create up to 900,000 new jobs within three years of reform from the increase in consumer spending, according to the Center for American Progress.

I didn't say 1/4 of Americans did not speak English. I said they spoke other languages. Most legal immigrants to the US speak English. Like Americans living in other countries, they speak the language but they are more comfortable speaking their native tongue.

Like it or not, the future of America rides on our ability to bring fresh blood and new idea into the country. We not can grow and prosper in isolationism. We have to use American know how and technology to make American workers the most productive in the world. We can't rely on tarries to protect American workers.

BTW I was around in the days when "everybody" spoke English and life was not so great. Memory is kind. We tend to forget the smog that blocked out the sun in many cities, rivers that caught fire, owners of coal mimes denying the existence of black lung disease, huge fish kills most of rivers from pollution, newspaper articles listing the new cases of Polio daily, the American eagle heading for extinction, bomb shelters, duck and cover, a survey of high students that believed they would not survive to see their children grown, church burnings, back alley abortions, black hangings, doctors promoting cigarette smoking, farmers in the southwest importing workers and paying 25 cents/hr, black men shot for looking at white women, hotels and restaurants turning away Blacks and Jews, women making half the wages of men working in the same job, and half the US Mexican boarder unmarked and un-fenced.

You equating immigrants and illegals.

Not sure about Flopper's motives but earlier in this thread, Trump ass kissers referred to Mexicans as "beaners" and spoke about "preserving" the country. They didn't differentiate between illegals and immigrants...

Unless you clarify difference between immigrant beaners and illegal beaners, we can all assume that being beaner has nothing to do with immigration status.

But it has everything to do with how conservatives see people of brown skin. PS: Kondor3 didn't differentiate

 

[Ame®icano]

I seem to remember a time not long ago when everybody spoke the same language and things were fine...if not better.

You people one the left complain when Republicans are in charge because you believe they are war mongers. Yet when we have a President trying to get along with enemies, you say they are praising our foes.

But you hit the nail on the head: a quarter of our people speak other languages. Yes, that is a problem because you have a bunch of lazy good for nothings coming here that won't even take the time or effort to learn our language. They expect us to learn theirs. In other words, they are not assimilating.

Trump may not stop the decay of our country, but he can certainly slow it down. That's why we voted him in.

Those lazy good for nothings,

• Start 30% of all new businesses
• Employ an estimated 4.7 million people
• Despite making up only 16 percent of the resident population holding a bachelor’s degree or higher, immigrants represent 33 percent of engineers, 27 percent of mathematicians, statisticians, and computer scientist, and 24 percent of physical scientists
• Purchasing power of Latinos and Asians, many of whom are immigrants, alone reached $1.5 trillion and $775 billion in 2016
• Comprehensive immigration reform could support and create up to 900,000 new jobs within three years of reform from the increase in consumer spending, according to the Center for American Progress.

I didn't say 1/4 of Americans did not speak English. I said they spoke other languages. Most legal immigrants to the US speak English. Like Americans living in other countries, they speak the language but they are more comfortable speaking their native tongue.

Like it or not, the future of America rides on our ability to bring fresh blood and new idea into the country. We not can grow and prosper in isolationism. We have to use American know how and technology to make American workers the most productive in the world. We can't rely on tarries to protect American workers.

BTW I was around in the days when "everybody" spoke English and life was not so great. Memory is kind. We tend to forget the smog that blocked out the sun in many cities, rivers that caught fire, owners of coal mimes denying the existence of black lung disease, huge fish kills most of rivers from pollution, newspaper articles listing the new cases of Polio daily, the American eagle heading for extinction, bomb shelters, duck and cover, a survey of high students that believed they would not survive to see their children grown, church burnings, back alley abortions, black hangings, doctors promoting cigarette smoking, farmers in the southwest importing workers and paying 25 cents/hr, black men shot for looking at white women, hotels and restaurants turning away Blacks and Jews, women making half the wages of men working in the same job, and half the US Mexican boarder unmarked and un-fenced.

You equating immigrants and illegals.

Not sure about Flopper's motives but earlier in this thread, Trump ass kissers referred to Mexicans as "beaners" and spoke about "preserving" the country. They didn't differentiate between illegals and immigrants...

Unless you clarify difference between immigrant beaners and illegal beaners, we can all assume that being beaner has nothing to do with immigration status.

But it has everything to do with how conservatives see people of brown skin. PS: Kondor3 didn't differentiate

So you complain for someone saying all Mexicans are beaners, but it's completely OK to for you to say all conservatives are doing it, no hypocrisy there, eh?

By the way, I'd like to know where slur "beaner" came from.

 

[candycorn]

Those lazy good for nothings,

• Start 30% of all new businesses
• Employ an estimated 4.7 million people
• Despite making up only 16 percent of the resident population holding a bachelor’s degree or higher, immigrants represent 33 percent of engineers, 27 percent of mathematicians, statisticians, and computer scientist, and 24 percent of physical scientists
• Purchasing power of Latinos and Asians, many of whom are immigrants, alone reached $1.5 trillion and $775 billion in 2016
• Comprehensive immigration reform could support and create up to 900,000 new jobs within three years of reform from the increase in consumer spending, according to the Center for American Progress.

I didn't say 1/4 of Americans did not speak English. I said they spoke other languages. Most legal immigrants to the US speak English. Like Americans living in other countries, they speak the language but they are more comfortable speaking their native tongue.

Like it or not, the future of America rides on our ability to bring fresh blood and new idea into the country. We not can grow and prosper in isolationism. We have to use American know how and technology to make American workers the most productive in the world. We can't rely on tarries to protect American workers.

BTW I was around in the days when "everybody" spoke English and life was not so great. Memory is kind. We tend to forget the smog that blocked out the sun in many cities, rivers that caught fire, owners of coal mimes denying the existence of black lung disease, huge fish kills most of rivers from pollution, newspaper articles listing the new cases of Polio daily, the American eagle heading for extinction, bomb shelters, duck and cover, a survey of high students that believed they would not survive to see their children grown, church burnings, back alley abortions, black hangings, doctors promoting cigarette smoking, farmers in the southwest importing workers and paying 25 cents/hr, black men shot for looking at white women, hotels and restaurants turning away Blacks and Jews, women making half the wages of men working in the same job, and half the US Mexican boarder unmarked and un-fenced.

You equating immigrants and illegals.

Not sure about Flopper's motives but earlier in this thread, Trump ass kissers referred to Mexicans as "beaners" and spoke about "preserving" the country. They didn't differentiate between illegals and immigrants...

Unless you clarify difference between immigrant beaners and illegal beaners, we can all assume that being beaner has nothing to do with immigration status.

But it has everything to do with how conservatives see people of brown skin. PS: Kondor3 didn't differentiate

So you complain for someone saying all Mexicans are beaners, but it's completely OK to for you to say all conservatives are doing it, no hypocrisy there, eh?

Well, here you are using the word freely. Prove me wrong. Call them out right now and tell them how disappointed you are in them for using racial slurs. Right now, in your next post on this thread.

I'll wait and watch.

Bet you don't.

 

[Ame®icano]

You equating immigrants and illegals.

Not sure about Flopper's motives but earlier in this thread, Trump ass kissers referred to Mexicans as "beaners" and spoke about "preserving" the country. They didn't differentiate between illegals and immigrants...

Unless you clarify difference between immigrant beaners and illegal beaners, we can all assume that being beaner has nothing to do with immigration status.

But it has everything to do with how conservatives see people of brown skin. PS: Kondor3 didn't differentiate

So you complain for someone saying all Mexicans are beaners, but it's completely OK to for you to say all conservatives are doing it, no hypocrisy there, eh?

Well, here you are using the word freely. Prove me wrong. Call them out right now and tell them how disappointed you are in them for using racial slurs. Right now, in your next post on this thread.

I'll wait and watch.

Bet you don't.

I'll rather prove you wrong.

Beaner is not a racial slur. It's as much racial as gringo, redneck or hillbilly. Got it?