What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Flopper]

Individual assessment for Asylum
For persons who do not come into the country as part of a bigger group individual asylum interviews are conducted to establish whether the person has sufficient reasons for seeking asylum.

It is difficult to apply for asylum at a port entry which is your only choice if you do not have a visa.

First, you tell the inspections officer at the port of entry that you fear returning to your country and that you wish to apply for asylum. You will be given a fear screening in which the officer will determine if you seem to meet the criteria. If he's not convince you will be removed immediately. If he thinks you are lying, you can be barred from entry for 5 years.

If you convinced the officer of your fear, then you will be detained for a few days or several weeks, until you are given a "creditable fear interview" with a trained asylum officer. If you pass, which most people don't, you will be able to complete your application for asylum and present your case to an asylum judge which can take days or weeks. If you fail the creditable fear interview, you can request a review by an immigration judge, although you will not be informed of your right. You must tell the interviewer when you are told you failed that you want a review by an immigration judge.

At your hearing, the immigration judge will hear your case for asylum and either deport you or grant you asylum pending a complete background check which allows you to enter the refugee program. Only about 40% are accepted.

The whole process including multiple interviews and background checks takes about 4 to 6 months. During the entire process, the government follows a strict set of protocols and rules. During the process you will not be told of your rights to appeal, nor that you can hire a lawyer or how to do so. Unless the people that interview you understand your language, you must secure an interpreter. One will not be provided.

In no way does the government help the asylum seeker. The person must understand the process, their rights, and what they need to do to be successful. This is why getting a visa of some sort, entering the US and hiring an immigration lawyer is the best route to being granted asylum.

Can You Request Asylum At U.S. Border or Entry Point? - AllLaw.com
Requesting Asylum at U.S. Border? What to Expect at Credible Fear Interview

 

[Picaro]

Dope-addled leftists feed the illegal dope trade, feeds the gang wars, feeds the MS-13 thugs, feeds the the whole train of misery. Screw their fake ' concerns'. The problem wouldn't exist if they didn't prefer mindless self-indulgence over obeying basic laws. Many real hippies had no problems quitting drugs peddled by gangster cartels in the early 1970's and refused to be a part of the filthy gangs or contribute to their profits. Seems Democrats can't or won't. nobody would expect such scum to exercise any self-restraint anyway.

 

[bripat9643]

I live near the borders. The ports are not blocked. Sessions is encouraging true ASYLUM SEEKERS to make their intentions known at a border crossing rather than run into the desert or cross a river...

The lawyers who work along the border are saying that’s not what’s happening. Asylum seekers are being slowed down and blocked at the borders. Asylum seekers have to have both feet on US soil to claim asylum. Trump won’t let them do that. That’s why they’re crossing any way they can. People are waiting days and then being turned away from crossing while being told the US is full and they can’t come in.

Good. I only wish it was true.

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I was talking with a friend today who believes the Unites States could easily take in up to 300 million additional people and there is no reason to stop anyone at the border. Her reasoning is that the flow of immigration would end long before we reached that number and everyone would be happier for it.

How could we possibly be happier? Would you be happier if there were twice as many people on the beach and twice as many cars on the road? The idea is absurd. Open borders morons will say anything to justify their agenda.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes it was because he really cared about these kids, not the fact that the party was’t behind him and only 17 percent of the public approved. He’s just big softy.


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At least as believable as leftists caring about these kids, when they haven't done a fucking thing to change the situation.

Why would they change it? It's working in their favor. The MSM, the moderate right like Medved and Hewitt, the women are all on board with the destruction of this country by not providing deterrents to come here. The invaders are winning to the point Trump is even giving in.

I'd hate to be alive in this country 50 years or so from today; a socialist, communist nightmare that the folks are creating today. But like the frog in the pot of cold water on the stove....................

You are supporting a dictator who is ruining our country right now.

Nope, he's trying to save it. That's why we voted him in. All we can do now is hope he devises new and stronger border protections TO save this country. Next budget, the wall should not be negotiable. Let the commies shutdown the government if they want.

An when hasn't a tyrant claimed he's trying to save the country. What a leader is trying to do often is less important than the methods he's using.

Thanks for the explanation of Obama's lies.

 

[bripat9643]

I live near the borders. The ports are not blocked. Sessions is encouraging true ASYLUM SEEKERS to make their intentions known at a border crossing rather than run into the desert or cross a river...

The lawyers who work along the border are saying that’s not what’s happening. Asylum seekers are being slowed down and blocked at the borders. Asylum seekers have to have both feet on US soil to claim asylum. Trump won’t let them do that. That’s why they’re crossing any way they can. People are waiting days and then being turned away from crossing while being told the US is full and they can’t come in.

Good. I only wish it was true.

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I was talking with a friend today who believes the Unites States could easily take in up to 300 million additional people and there is no reason to stop anyone at the border. Her reasoning is that the flow of immigration would end long before we reached that number and everyone would be happier for it.

We could certainly take more people. 300 million? Don't think so. We take about a million legal immigrants a year but 600,000 are changes of status; that is they are already here. Biggest problem in taking too many immigrants is assimilation. You want new immigrants to mix into the population, not form clusters.

Why should we take a single additional person? How do we benefit?

 

[JoeB131]

Yep, they can't vote if they're not here. You know exactly what you're doing.

Duh, you know, dude, we're 5% of the world, but anyone who lives in the world under a bad government, they just come here! Yeah, that's the way it's always been. Drool. Rad, man

Idiot

Not everyone wants to come here, and the ones who do are usually trying for a darned good reason.

Here's the thing.... they come here because we have more jobs than we have people to do them.

 

[JoeB131]

/----/ The Liberal Immigration Policy
Step one: Let the poor kids in for goodness sake.
Step 2: Let the poor kids' parents in to care for them for goodness sake.
Step 3: Let the poor kids grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers and sisters in to keep the family intact and vote Democrat for goodness sake.

And?

It seems to me that you guys would have an equal chance to get these people to vote for you if you weren't going all Nazi on them.

No, much easier to play on the racial fears of stupid white people about their inevitable minority status.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ The Liberal Immigration Policy
Step one: Let the poor kids in for goodness sake.
Step 2: Let the poor kids' parents in to care for them for goodness sake.
Step 3: Let the poor kids grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers and sisters in to keep the family intact and vote Democrat for goodness sake.

And?

It seems to me that you guys would have an equal chance to get these people to vote for you if you weren't going all Nazi on them.

No, much easier to play on the racial fears of stupid white people about their inevitable minority status.

/——/ If there was a chance they were voting GOP, you Libtards would be volunteering to build the wall brick by brick. Besides law breakers looking for welfare fall into the democRAT camp, not ours.

 

[JoeB131]

/——/ If there was a chance they were voting GOP, you Libtards would be volunteering to build the wall brick by brick. Besides law breakers looking for welfare fall into the democRAT camp, not ours.

Except these people aren't looking for welfare. They are willing to do the jobs the welfare collecting white trash in the trailer parks aren't willing to do.

 

[kaz]

If somebody wants to try a socialist/ communist society, all they have to do is move to the many outside of our borders. And if they finally realize it's not all that it was cut out to be, they can always move back the the good ole USA if they let them.

Once they turn this place into the likes of all those others, there won't be a USA to move back to. It will be gone forever and the great experiment concluded. There is only one USA, and at least while I'm alive, it's worth preserving it.

If someone wants to try a 100% capitalist society they....they can't, it doesn't exist.

Wow, you just blew the .01% of the population who are anarchists out of the water. Your typical worthless post

Sorry, you can't live your wannabe John Galt dreams, don't blame the messenger.

So were you not able to read my post as a defense mechanism or out of pure stupidity?

To be honest your reply was a waste of my time and I shouldn't have bothered responding to it.

You mean your reply where I said I'm not an anarchist and you came back with that oh, I'm an anarchist? Yes, you spent a lot of time on that. It showed

 

[kaz]

He's out of his mind because he thinks that we should have a southern border. You're out of your mind

We have a southern border. Complete with a fence. The number one problem relative to illegal immigration is visa overstays. But we must all be overly concerned with a southern border. And we all know why that is.

You claim to be a researcher, yet you just told a flat out lie. More people cross the border than VISA overstays.

And wow, how stupid is that we get to pick one thing and one thing only and it must solve all problems. Leftists never offer that on any issue, yet you demand it on every issue. We want to deal with border crossings AND VISA overstays. Two things??? Blows your mind, huh?

That's because leftists find it hard to walk and breathe at the same time.

Nope. Visa overstays are the number 1 problem.

I don't know if they are a bigger problem but they are much harder to deport than border jumpers because they are not guilty of a criminal act thus they can't be tried in criminal court, are not eligible for expedited deportation, more likely to be represented by counsel, and more likely to be longer term residents settled in the community and more often professionals.

In order to remove most people that overstay visas, there will have to be major changes in immigration law because the law treats overstays about as seriously as your local library treats overdue books.

A second problem is ICE doesn't know who is overstaying visas and if they did where they are. DHS testified before congress about how hard it is to identify who is overstaying their visa. Due to the way visa's work particularly with those that leave and re-enter the country ICE can't tell for sure when a visa expires or whether the person is still in the country.

Since only visa holders that are issued work permits are assigned social security numbers, they can't be tracked through employment, tax returns, driving permits, etc.. only thru foreign passport numbers. Since foreign passport number are not standard in length are structure and often contain various special characters, many businesses and government agencies do not accurately record them.

You're right that we do need serious legislation. We also need a database of when VISA holders entered, if they left, the expiration date and so on. Then when their VISA expires and they haven't left, we need to issue an arrest warrant

 

[kaz]

Yep, they can't vote if they're not here. You know exactly what you're doing.

Duh, you know, dude, we're 5% of the world, but anyone who lives in the world under a bad government, they just come here! Yeah, that's the way it's always been. Drool. Rad, man

Idiot

Not everyone wants to come here, and the ones who do are usually trying for a darned good reason.

Here's the thing.... they come here because we have more jobs than we have people to do them.

Not the jobs they take. Taking those jobs keep poor and disproportionately blacks on welfare voting for Democrats.

You bludgeon businesses into firing low end employees with taxes and regulations then import Democrat voters across the borders to take the jobs that are left. For you that's win-win

 

[IM2]

Yep, they can't vote if they're not here. You know exactly what you're doing.

Duh, you know, dude, we're 5% of the world, but anyone who lives in the world under a bad government, they just come here! Yeah, that's the way it's always been. Drool. Rad, man

Idiot

Not everyone wants to come here, and the ones who do are usually trying for a darned good reason.

Here's the thing.... they come here because we have more jobs than we have people to do them.

Not the jobs they take. Taking those jobs keep poor and disproportionately blacks on welfare voting for Democrats.

You bludgeon businesses into firing low end employees with taxes and regulations then import Democrat voters across the borders to take the jobs that are left. For you that's win-win

No, that's not what happens.

 

[basquebromance]

"Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November. Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!

Elect more Republicans in November and we will pass the finest, fairest and most comprehensive Immigration Bills anywhere in the world. Right now we have the dumbest and the worst. Dems are doing nothing but Obstructing. Remember their motto, RESIST! Ours is PRODUCE!

Even if we get 100% Republican votes in the Senate, we need 10 Democrat votes to get a much needed Immigration Bill - & the Dems are Obstructionists who won’t give votes for political reasons & because they don’t care about Crime coming from Border! So we need to elect more R’s!" - President Trump

 

[kaz]

Yep, they can't vote if they're not here. You know exactly what you're doing.

Duh, you know, dude, we're 5% of the world, but anyone who lives in the world under a bad government, they just come here! Yeah, that's the way it's always been. Drool. Rad, man

Idiot

Not everyone wants to come here, and the ones who do are usually trying for a darned good reason.

Here's the thing.... they come here because we have more jobs than we have people to do them.

Not the jobs they take. Taking those jobs keep poor and disproportionately blacks on welfare voting for Democrats.

You bludgeon businesses into firing low end employees with taxes and regulations then import Democrat voters across the borders to take the jobs that are left. For you that's win-win

No, that's not what happens.

You don't know that and you call yourself a researcher? That's hilarious

 

[basquebromance]

Millions come LEGALLY to the U.S.A Calling illegal aliens 'undocumented immigrants ' is like calling heroin dealers 'undocumented pharmacists '

 

[HappyJoy]

If someone wants to try a 100% capitalist society they....they can't, it doesn't exist.

Wow, you just blew the .01% of the population who are anarchists out of the water. Your typical worthless post

Sorry, you can't live your wannabe John Galt dreams, don't blame the messenger.

So were you not able to read my post as a defense mechanism or out of pure stupidity?

To be honest your reply was a waste of my time and I shouldn't have bothered responding to it.

You mean your reply where I said I'm not an anarchist and you came back with that oh, I'm an anarchist? Yes, you spent a lot of time on that. It showed

You can't even recap a 2 sentence conversation correctly. Ok, you got me, wasted my time again. Koz, stay on topic, it's your only hope.

 

[kaz]

Wow, you just blew the .01% of the population who are anarchists out of the water. Your typical worthless post

Sorry, you can't live your wannabe John Galt dreams, don't blame the messenger.

So were you not able to read my post as a defense mechanism or out of pure stupidity?

To be honest your reply was a waste of my time and I shouldn't have bothered responding to it.

You mean your reply where I said I'm not an anarchist and you came back with that oh, I'm an anarchist? Yes, you spent a lot of time on that. It showed

You can't even recap a 2 sentence conversation correctly. Ok, you got me, wasted my time again. Koz, stay on topic, it's your only hope.

You drool a lot, dont you?

You care (sic) about other's poor, not our own

 

[bripat9643]

/——/ If there was a chance they were voting GOP, you Libtards would be volunteering to build the wall brick by brick. Besides law breakers looking for welfare fall into the democRAT camp, not ours.

Except these people aren't looking for welfare. They are willing to do the jobs the welfare collecting white trash in the trailer parks aren't willing to do.

Many of them most certainly are looking for welfare, especially the women accompanied by young children.

 

[bripat9643]

Sorry, you can't live your wannabe John Galt dreams, don't blame the messenger.

So were you not able to read my post as a defense mechanism or out of pure stupidity?

To be honest your reply was a waste of my time and I shouldn't have bothered responding to it.

You mean your reply where I said I'm not an anarchist and you came back with that oh, I'm an anarchist? Yes, you spent a lot of time on that. It showed

You can't even recap a 2 sentence conversation correctly. Ok, you got me, wasted my time again. Koz, stay on topic, it's your only hope.

You drool a lot, dont you?

That's just puss leaking out of his ear.