What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Cellblock2429]

/——/ If there was a chance they were voting GOP, you Libtards would be volunteering to build the wall brick by brick. Besides law breakers looking for welfare fall into the democRAT camp, not ours.

Except these people aren't looking for welfare. They are willing to do the jobs the welfare collecting white trash in the trailer parks aren't willing to do.

/----/ Except they are looking for welfare.
Immigration and Welfare | Federation for American Immigration Reform
Although the United States’ welfare rolls are already swollen, every year we import more people who wind up on public assistance: immigrants. Many immigrants are poor; indeed, that is why they come here. The immigrants we admit are much poorer than the native population and are increasing the size of our impoverished population. The share of immigrants below the poverty line (17.8 percent) is much higher than the share of natives that are poor (12.6 percent).1

As a result of their high rate of poverty, immigrant households are more likely to participate in practically every one of the major means-tested programs. In 2007, immigrant use of welfare programs (32.7 percent) was 69 percent higher than non-immigrants’ use (19.4 percent).2

Each year, state governments spend an estimated $11 billion to $22 billion to provide welfare to immigrants.3 Those programs include Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, Child Care and Development Fund, reduced meal programs in school and public housing.

 

[basquebromance]

What's on TV is a political tactic but something else terrifying is going on. Formerly responsible people suddenly sound like extremists. Left's no longer working to convince those who disagree. They’re trying to destroy those in the way. It’s not a pose. They're sincere. It's war.

it's a war, folks, it's a war.

 

[danielpalos]

I would like to be able to capitally care, but I don't have a petty cash fund for that purpose, is what I can claim, under Any form form of Capitalism.

Socialists don't have that excuse.

 

[HappyJoy]

Sorry, you can't live your wannabe John Galt dreams, don't blame the messenger.

So were you not able to read my post as a defense mechanism or out of pure stupidity?

To be honest your reply was a waste of my time and I shouldn't have bothered responding to it.

You mean your reply where I said I'm not an anarchist and you came back with that oh, I'm an anarchist? Yes, you spent a lot of time on that. It showed

You can't even recap a 2 sentence conversation correctly. Ok, you got me, wasted my time again. Koz, stay on topic, it's your only hope.

You drool a lot, dont you?

You care (sic) about other's poor, not our own

Why are you adding a sic to your own post? I guess you don't know how that works either.

 

[Cecilie1200]

We have a southern border. Complete with a fence. The number one problem relative to illegal immigration is visa overstays. But we must all be overly concerned with a southern border. And we all know why that is.

You claim to be a researcher, yet you just told a flat out lie. More people cross the border than VISA overstays.

And wow, how stupid is that we get to pick one thing and one thing only and it must solve all problems. Leftists never offer that on any issue, yet you demand it on every issue. We want to deal with border crossings AND VISA overstays. Two things??? Blows your mind, huh?

That's because leftists find it hard to walk and breathe at the same time.

Nope. Visa overstays are the number 1 problem.

I don't know if they are a bigger problem but they are much harder to deport than border jumpers because they are not guilty of a criminal act thus they can't be tried in criminal court, are not eligible for expedited deportation, more likely to be represented by counsel, and more likely to be longer term residents settled in the community and more often professionals.

In order to remove most people that overstay visas, there will have to be major changes in immigration law because the law treats overstays about as seriously as your local library treats overdue books.

A second problem is ICE doesn't know who is overstaying visas and if they did where they are. DHS testified before congress about how hard it is to identify who is overstaying their visa. Due to the way visa's work particularly with those that leave and re-enter the country ICE can't tell for sure when a visa expires or whether the person is still in the country.

Since only visa holders that are issued work permits are assigned social security numbers, they can't be tracked through employment, tax returns, driving permits, etc.. only thru foreign passport numbers. Since foreign passport number are not standard in length are structure and often contain various special characters, many businesses and government agencies do not accurately record them.

You're right that we do need serious legislation. We also need a database of when VISA holders entered, if they left, the expiration date and so on. Then when their VISA expires and they haven't left, we need to issue an arrest warrant

I find it unbelievable that we just issue VISAs like number slips from those little machines at the Post Office, and then never bother to keep track of them.

 

[danielpalos]

You claim to be a researcher, yet you just told a flat out lie. More people cross the border than VISA overstays.

And wow, how stupid is that we get to pick one thing and one thing only and it must solve all problems. Leftists never offer that on any issue, yet you demand it on every issue. We want to deal with border crossings AND VISA overstays. Two things??? Blows your mind, huh?

That's because leftists find it hard to walk and breathe at the same time.

Nope. Visa overstays are the number 1 problem.

I don't know if they are a bigger problem but they are much harder to deport than border jumpers because they are not guilty of a criminal act thus they can't be tried in criminal court, are not eligible for expedited deportation, more likely to be represented by counsel, and more likely to be longer term residents settled in the community and more often professionals.

In order to remove most people that overstay visas, there will have to be major changes in immigration law because the law treats overstays about as seriously as your local library treats overdue books.

A second problem is ICE doesn't know who is overstaying visas and if they did where they are. DHS testified before congress about how hard it is to identify who is overstaying their visa. Due to the way visa's work particularly with those that leave and re-enter the country ICE can't tell for sure when a visa expires or whether the person is still in the country.

Since only visa holders that are issued work permits are assigned social security numbers, they can't be tracked through employment, tax returns, driving permits, etc.. only thru foreign passport numbers. Since foreign passport number are not standard in length are structure and often contain various special characters, many businesses and government agencies do not accurately record them.

You're right that we do need serious legislation. We also need a database of when VISA holders entered, if they left, the expiration date and so on. Then when their VISA expires and they haven't left, we need to issue an arrest warrant

I find it unbelievable that we just issue VISAs like number slips from those little machines at the Post Office, and then never bother to keep track of them.

We should be making money, not losing money.

A friendlier visa could function as a federal id. for a market friendly fee or fine. Yearly expiration could ensure, updated statuses or pay the fine, instead of the fee.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So were you not able to read my post as a defense mechanism or out of pure stupidity?

To be honest your reply was a waste of my time and I shouldn't have bothered responding to it.

You mean your reply where I said I'm not an anarchist and you came back with that oh, I'm an anarchist? Yes, you spent a lot of time on that. It showed

You can't even recap a 2 sentence conversation correctly. Ok, you got me, wasted my time again. Koz, stay on topic, it's your only hope.

You drool a lot, dont you?

You care (sic) about other's poor, not our own

Why are you adding a sic to your own post? I guess you don't know how that works either.

Because it's a quote of something you said which is incorrect. You know, unless you have NOT, in fact, been trying to tell us that you care about illegals.

You're not real swift on the uptake, are ya?

 

[kaz]

So were you not able to read my post as a defense mechanism or out of pure stupidity?

To be honest your reply was a waste of my time and I shouldn't have bothered responding to it.

You mean your reply where I said I'm not an anarchist and you came back with that oh, I'm an anarchist? Yes, you spent a lot of time on that. It showed

You can't even recap a 2 sentence conversation correctly. Ok, you got me, wasted my time again. Koz, stay on topic, it's your only hope.

You drool a lot, dont you?

You care (sic) about other's poor, not our own

Why are you adding a sic to your own post? I guess you don't know how that works either.

OMG you're stupid. You didn't understand that? Seriously?

I'm curious. How did you justify in your mind that you were actually smart despite your grades and test scores?

 

[kaz]

To be honest your reply was a waste of my time and I shouldn't have bothered responding to it.

You mean your reply where I said I'm not an anarchist and you came back with that oh, I'm an anarchist? Yes, you spent a lot of time on that. It showed

You can't even recap a 2 sentence conversation correctly. Ok, you got me, wasted my time again. Koz, stay on topic, it's your only hope.

You drool a lot, dont you?

You care (sic) about other's poor, not our own

Why are you adding a sic to your own post? I guess you don't know how that works either.

Because it's a quote of something you said which is incorrect. You know, unless you have NOT, in fact, been trying to tell us that you care about illegals.

You're not real swift on the uptake, are ya?

I can't believe he didn't get that. I guess that's why he falls for everything Democrats tell him

 

[Cecilie1200]

You mean your reply where I said I'm not an anarchist and you came back with that oh, I'm an anarchist? Yes, you spent a lot of time on that. It showed

You can't even recap a 2 sentence conversation correctly. Ok, you got me, wasted my time again. Koz, stay on topic, it's your only hope.

You drool a lot, dont you?

You care (sic) about other's poor, not our own

Why are you adding a sic to your own post? I guess you don't know how that works either.

Because it's a quote of something you said which is incorrect. You know, unless you have NOT, in fact, been trying to tell us that you care about illegals.

You're not real swift on the uptake, are ya?

I can't believe he didn't get that. I guess that's why he falls for everything Democrats tell him

I thought it was hilarious, myself. Clearly, your humor is too subtle for the likes of Happy, who's still on the "Three Stooges" level.

 

[mudwhistle]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

We don't hate illegals.
We would love them to stay where they belong.

If I was to invade Germany, which I love very much, I would expect to be arrested and deported.

 

[danielpalos]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

We don't hate illegals.
We would love them to stay where they belong.

If I was to invade Germany, which I love very much, I would expect to be arrested and deported.

let's build new cities for them.

 

[ph3iron]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

We have 350000000 people here .
And we are worried about 10000000 young people who will help our SS and work harder than our local rubes?

 

[ph3iron]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

There's positive human cost.
They will raise the IQ of us all

 

[bripat9643]

Yep, they can't vote if they're not here. You know exactly what you're doing.

Duh, you know, dude, we're 5% of the world, but anyone who lives in the world under a bad government, they just come here! Yeah, that's the way it's always been. Drool. Rad, man

Idiot

Not everyone wants to come here, and the ones who do are usually trying for a darned good reason.

Here's the thing.... they come here because we have more jobs than we have people to do them.

Not the jobs they take. Taking those jobs keep poor and disproportionately blacks on welfare voting for Democrats.

You bludgeon businesses into firing low end employees with taxes and regulations then import Democrat voters across the borders to take the jobs that are left. For you that's win-win

No, that's not what happens.

That's exactly what happens.

 

[bripat9643]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

We have 350000000 people here .
And we are worried about 10000000 young people who will help our SS and work harder than our local rubes?

It's more like 40 million

 

[bripat9643]

To be honest your reply was a waste of my time and I shouldn't have bothered responding to it.

You mean your reply where I said I'm not an anarchist and you came back with that oh, I'm an anarchist? Yes, you spent a lot of time on that. It showed

You can't even recap a 2 sentence conversation correctly. Ok, you got me, wasted my time again. Koz, stay on topic, it's your only hope.

You drool a lot, dont you?

You care (sic) about other's poor, not our own

Why are you adding a sic to your own post? I guess you don't know how that works either.

Because it's a quote of something you said which is incorrect. You know, unless you have NOT, in fact, been trying to tell us that you care about illegals.

You're not real swift on the uptake, are ya?

[sic] is for noting grammar or syntax errors. Quotes are what he should have used.

 

[kaz]

You mean your reply where I said I'm not an anarchist and you came back with that oh, I'm an anarchist? Yes, you spent a lot of time on that. It showed

You can't even recap a 2 sentence conversation correctly. Ok, you got me, wasted my time again. Koz, stay on topic, it's your only hope.

You drool a lot, dont you?

You care (sic) about other's poor, not our own

Why are you adding a sic to your own post? I guess you don't know how that works either.

Because it's a quote of something you said which is incorrect. You know, unless you have NOT, in fact, been trying to tell us that you care about illegals.

You're not real swift on the uptake, are ya?

[sic] is for noting grammar or syntax errors. Quotes are what he should have used.

Sic translates as "not my mistake." Exactly what I meant. Cecile got it. I did NOT mean quotes

 

[Flopper]

I live near the borders. The ports are not blocked. Sessions is encouraging true ASYLUM SEEKERS to make their intentions known at a border crossing rather than run into the desert or cross a river...

The lawyers who work along the border are saying that’s not what’s happening. Asylum seekers are being slowed down and blocked at the borders. Asylum seekers have to have both feet on US soil to claim asylum. Trump won’t let them do that. That’s why they’re crossing any way they can. People are waiting days and then being turned away from crossing while being told the US is full and they can’t come in.

Good. I only wish it was true.

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I was talking with a friend today who believes the Unites States could easily take in up to 300 million additional people and there is no reason to stop anyone at the border. Her reasoning is that the flow of immigration would end long before we reached that number and everyone would be happier for it.

We could certainly take more people. 300 million? Don't think so. We take about a million legal immigrants a year but 600,000 are changes of status; that is they are already here. Biggest problem in taking too many immigrants is assimilation. You want new immigrants to mix into the population, not form clusters.

Why should we take a single additional person? How do we benefit?

America needs immigrants to grow and prosper, especially highly-skilled immigrants who fuel innovation and spur higher productivity gains across the economy. We simple don't produce enough to meet demand.

Annual growth of the labor force has slowed from 1.2 percent in the 1990s to 0.5 percent in the current decade. And with the number of native-born Americans of working age on a path to decline by 8 million between now and 2035, we need immigrant workers and their children to maintain our economic growth into the future.

What we don't need is more illegal immigrants that live in the shadows. They can not assimilate and contribute to economy in the way legal immigrants can.
Immigration projected to drive growth in U.S. working-age population through at least 2035

 

[kaz]

The lawyers who work along the border are saying that’s not what’s happening. Asylum seekers are being slowed down and blocked at the borders. Asylum seekers have to have both feet on US soil to claim asylum. Trump won’t let them do that. That’s why they’re crossing any way they can. People are waiting days and then being turned away from crossing while being told the US is full and they can’t come in.

Good. I only wish it was true.

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I was talking with a friend today who believes the Unites States could easily take in up to 300 million additional people and there is no reason to stop anyone at the border. Her reasoning is that the flow of immigration would end long before we reached that number and everyone would be happier for it.

We could certainly take more people. 300 million? Don't think so. We take about a million legal immigrants a year but 600,000 are changes of status; that is they are already here. Biggest problem in taking too many immigrants is assimilation. You want new immigrants to mix into the population, not form clusters.

Why should we take a single additional person? How do we benefit?

America needs immigrants to grow and prosper, especially highly-skilled immigrants who fuel innovation and spur higher productivity gains across the economy. We simple don't produce enough to meet demand.

Annual growth of the labor force has slowed from 1.2 percent in the 1990s to 0.5 percent in the current decade. And with the number of native-born Americans of working age on a path to decline by 8 million between now and 2035, we need immigrant workers and their children to maintain our economic growth into the future.

What we don't need is more illegal immigrants that live in the shadows. They can not assimilate and contribute to economy in the way legal immigrants can.
Immigration projected to drive growth in U.S. working-age population through at least 2035

Were taking about illegal aliens, not "immigrants," race baiting jackass