What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Ray From Cleveland]

What is it about the stupid arrogance pretending to be humanitarianism of the far left loonies? Right out of the Orwell doublespeak playbook: WE CARE about children...YET NO PLAN to fix issues that concern poverty and children...HOMELESS families, vets, women, and teens and children all across the USA living in squalid, hopeless conditions on the streets or filthy, depressing shelters, INCLUDING CITIZENS who have circumstances, need psychiatric and medical help, and may have lost everything to a season of HURRICANES with more of this season upon us again. I HAVE SEEN the PICTURES of the SOUTHWEST KEYS children's housing and believe me these children NEVER lived this well not in Central America or Mexico. YET THE LYIN' MSM MEDIA misrepresented the goodwill offered to these immigrant children in these clean, safe, well run facilities with TV and schooling and food. I AGREE THERE WAS A BETTER WAY: simply bring the family to the childrens center for a goodbye meal and assure the parents that the children will see the parents after arraignment in a few days. THEN the entire FAMILY can go to a family location together. I posted the pictures of Southwest Keys on this thread already. CLEAN, SAFE, GENEROUS.

Absolutely. It's all a big MSM show they are putting on to take our minds off of our real important issues and success like the economy and North Korea.

They show a kid getting taken away by agents in these detention centers, and the child is helplessly screaming for his mother. Wait a minute: If an American woman snuck her kid into Mexico, got busted, and had her child ripped out of her arms, would that American child be screaming "mommy" in Spanish? Well.....he would if he was coached. Like I said, big show to tug on the liberal heartstrings.

Don't believe that Democrats care about these kids, Democrats only care about using these kids for THEIR political agenda. If these southern American people were renown to support Republicans, that wall would have been up 50 years ago. Trump just signed an EO to keep those children with their so-called parents, watch how many days it takes until some leftist takes it to court to have it overturned.

 

[AZGAL]

It seems that yuppy media types are all over the Hispanic CEO of the very decent Southwest Keys facilities...
"I want to make it very, very clear. This is not a detention center," said Dr. Juan Sanchez during an exclusive interview with Eyewitness News. "We're licensed by the State of Texas, to run a childcare facility."

 

[AZGAL]

Martha McSally‏Verified account @RepMcSally May 31

At the border where refugees are lined up on the other side of the turnstile seeking asylum. The number of new asylum claims tripled from 2014-2017 and fraud keeps legitimate claims out.


Rafael Carranza, Arizona Republic Published 9:10 p.m. MT June 18, 2018 | Updated 8:17 a.m. MT June 19, 2018
U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is telling asylum-seekers to present their claims at the ports of entry along the U.S.-Mexico border to avoid prosecution under his "zero-tolerance" crackdown on illegal entries.

 

[Dragonlady]

Martha McSally‏Verified account @RepMcSally May 31

At the border where refugees are lined up on the other side of the turnstile seeking asylum. The number of new asylum claims tripled from 2014-2017 and fraud keeps legitimate claims out.


Rafael Carranza, Arizona Republic Published 9:10 p.m. MT June 18, 2018 | Updated 8:17 a.m. MT June 19, 2018
U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is telling asylum-seekers to present their claims at the ports of entry along the U.S.-Mexico border to avoid prosecution under his "zero-tolerance" crackdown on illegal entries.

Sessions has blocked the border crossings so asylum seekers can’t get in. What you suggest is possible is being blocked by Border Patrol officers.

 

[AZGAL]

I live near the borders. The ports are not blocked. Sessions is encouraging true ASYLUM SEEKERS to make their intentions known at a border crossing rather than run into the desert or cross a river...

 

[Dragonlady]

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[HappyJoy]

No, there wasn't a policy of enforcing illegal immigration law until Trump started it.

Anyway, it's amazing how you're such a big fan of this bill, but can't actually tell me what it is.

It's a lie to say Trump "caved", or that he started a policy of separating families, or to pretend that he hasn't been calling for this law you pretend doesn't exist to be changed all along. Come to think of it, it's also a lie for you to pretend the Flores Settlement and the Ninth Circuit ruling regarding it don't exist.

Yes it was because he really cared about these kids, not the fact that the party was’t behind him and only 17 percent of the public approved. He’s just big softy.


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At least as believable as leftists caring about these kids, when they haven't done a fucking thing to change the situation.

Why would they change it? It's working in their favor. The MSM, the moderate right like Medved and Hewitt, the women are all on board with the destruction of this country by not providing deterrents to come here. The invaders are winning to the point Trump is even giving in.

I'd hate to be alive in this country 50 years or so from today; a socialist, communist nightmare that the folks are creating today. But like the frog in the pot of cold water on the stove....................

We can laugh as we watch the people they 'helped' slice them up for fun and loot their houses, like the police in Mexico's cities do. Those drone cameras are pretty handy for that. Then, after they loot this place and turn it into San Salvador, they go for Canada. Then they have nobody left to steal from and blame for their self-inflicted idiocy, and they regress back to the Aztec era and all that wonderfullness.

Or so they think; the fact is they're too stupid to conquer anybody even 10% of their own numbers, and they will just start killing each other, themselves being the easiest pickings, which is why MS-13 and the Mexican cartels tend to stay in brown neighborhoods and plunder them, all with La Raza guidance and legal advice, of course.

If somebody wants to try a socialist/ communist society, all they have to do is move to the many outside of our borders. And if they finally realize it's not all that it was cut out to be, they can always move back the the good ole USA if they let them.

Once they turn this place into the likes of all those others, there won't be a USA to move back to. It will be gone forever and the great experiment concluded. There is only one USA, and at least while I'm alive, it's worth preserving it.

If someone wants to try a 100% capitalist society they....they can't, it doesn't exist.

 

[Unkotare]

I wonder how many of the bigger mouths here have actually gotten to know people who have lived as refugees or have legitimately sought asylum in the US...as people, not talking points.

 

[Dragonlady]

I live near the borders. The ports are not blocked. Sessions is encouraging true ASYLUM SEEKERS to make their intentions known at a border crossing rather than run into the desert or cross a river...

The lawyers who work along the border are saying that’s not what’s happening. Asylum seekers are being slowed down and blocked at the borders. Asylum seekers have to have both feet on US soil to claim asylum. Trump won’t let them do that. That’s why they’re crossing any way they can. People are waiting days and then being turned away from crossing while being told the US is full and they can’t come in.

 

[kaz]

Yes it was because he really cared about these kids, not the fact that the party was’t behind him and only 17 percent of the public approved. He’s just big softy.


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At least as believable as leftists caring about these kids, when they haven't done a fucking thing to change the situation.

Why would they change it? It's working in their favor. The MSM, the moderate right like Medved and Hewitt, the women are all on board with the destruction of this country by not providing deterrents to come here. The invaders are winning to the point Trump is even giving in.

I'd hate to be alive in this country 50 years or so from today; a socialist, communist nightmare that the folks are creating today. But like the frog in the pot of cold water on the stove....................

We can laugh as we watch the people they 'helped' slice them up for fun and loot their houses, like the police in Mexico's cities do. Those drone cameras are pretty handy for that. Then, after they loot this place and turn it into San Salvador, they go for Canada. Then they have nobody left to steal from and blame for their self-inflicted idiocy, and they regress back to the Aztec era and all that wonderfullness.

Or so they think; the fact is they're too stupid to conquer anybody even 10% of their own numbers, and they will just start killing each other, themselves being the easiest pickings, which is why MS-13 and the Mexican cartels tend to stay in brown neighborhoods and plunder them, all with La Raza guidance and legal advice, of course.

If somebody wants to try a socialist/ communist society, all they have to do is move to the many outside of our borders. And if they finally realize it's not all that it was cut out to be, they can always move back the the good ole USA if they let them.

Once they turn this place into the likes of all those others, there won't be a USA to move back to. It will be gone forever and the great experiment concluded. There is only one USA, and at least while I'm alive, it's worth preserving it.

If someone wants to try a 100% capitalist society they....they can't, it doesn't exist.

Wow, you just blew the .01% of the population who are anarchists out of the water. Your typical worthless post

 

[bripat9643]

I live near the borders. The ports are not blocked. Sessions is encouraging true ASYLUM SEEKERS to make their intentions known at a border crossing rather than run into the desert or cross a river...

The lawyers who work along the border are saying that’s not what’s happening. Asylum seekers are being slowed down and blocked at the borders. Asylum seekers have to have both feet on US soil to claim asylum. Trump won’t let them do that. That’s why they’re crossing any way they can. People are waiting days and then being turned away from crossing while being told the US is full and they can’t come in.

Good. I only wish it was true.

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[HappyJoy]

At least as believable as leftists caring about these kids, when they haven't done a fucking thing to change the situation.

Why would they change it? It's working in their favor. The MSM, the moderate right like Medved and Hewitt, the women are all on board with the destruction of this country by not providing deterrents to come here. The invaders are winning to the point Trump is even giving in.

I'd hate to be alive in this country 50 years or so from today; a socialist, communist nightmare that the folks are creating today. But like the frog in the pot of cold water on the stove....................

We can laugh as we watch the people they 'helped' slice them up for fun and loot their houses, like the police in Mexico's cities do. Those drone cameras are pretty handy for that. Then, after they loot this place and turn it into San Salvador, they go for Canada. Then they have nobody left to steal from and blame for their self-inflicted idiocy, and they regress back to the Aztec era and all that wonderfullness.

Or so they think; the fact is they're too stupid to conquer anybody even 10% of their own numbers, and they will just start killing each other, themselves being the easiest pickings, which is why MS-13 and the Mexican cartels tend to stay in brown neighborhoods and plunder them, all with La Raza guidance and legal advice, of course.

If somebody wants to try a socialist/ communist society, all they have to do is move to the many outside of our borders. And if they finally realize it's not all that it was cut out to be, they can always move back the the good ole USA if they let them.

Once they turn this place into the likes of all those others, there won't be a USA to move back to. It will be gone forever and the great experiment concluded. There is only one USA, and at least while I'm alive, it's worth preserving it.

If someone wants to try a 100% capitalist society they....they can't, it doesn't exist.

Wow, you just blew the .01% of the population who are anarchists out of the water. Your typical worthless post

Sorry, you can't live your wannabe John Galt dreams, don't blame the messenger.

 

[kaz]

Why would they change it? It's working in their favor. The MSM, the moderate right like Medved and Hewitt, the women are all on board with the destruction of this country by not providing deterrents to come here. The invaders are winning to the point Trump is even giving in.

I'd hate to be alive in this country 50 years or so from today; a socialist, communist nightmare that the folks are creating today. But like the frog in the pot of cold water on the stove....................

We can laugh as we watch the people they 'helped' slice them up for fun and loot their houses, like the police in Mexico's cities do. Those drone cameras are pretty handy for that. Then, after they loot this place and turn it into San Salvador, they go for Canada. Then they have nobody left to steal from and blame for their self-inflicted idiocy, and they regress back to the Aztec era and all that wonderfullness.

Or so they think; the fact is they're too stupid to conquer anybody even 10% of their own numbers, and they will just start killing each other, themselves being the easiest pickings, which is why MS-13 and the Mexican cartels tend to stay in brown neighborhoods and plunder them, all with La Raza guidance and legal advice, of course.

If somebody wants to try a socialist/ communist society, all they have to do is move to the many outside of our borders. And if they finally realize it's not all that it was cut out to be, they can always move back the the good ole USA if they let them.

Once they turn this place into the likes of all those others, there won't be a USA to move back to. It will be gone forever and the great experiment concluded. There is only one USA, and at least while I'm alive, it's worth preserving it.

If someone wants to try a 100% capitalist society they....they can't, it doesn't exist.

Wow, you just blew the .01% of the population who are anarchists out of the water. Your typical worthless post

Sorry, you can't live your wannabe John Galt dreams, don't blame the messenger.

So were you not able to read my post as a defense mechanism or out of pure stupidity?

 

[Mike473]

I live near the borders. The ports are not blocked. Sessions is encouraging true ASYLUM SEEKERS to make their intentions known at a border crossing rather than run into the desert or cross a river...

The lawyers who work along the border are saying that’s not what’s happening. Asylum seekers are being slowed down and blocked at the borders. Asylum seekers have to have both feet on US soil to claim asylum. Trump won’t let them do that. That’s why they’re crossing any way they can. People are waiting days and then being turned away from crossing while being told the US is full and they can’t come in.

Good. I only wish it was true.

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I was talking with a friend today who believes the Unites States could easily take in up to 300 million additional people and there is no reason to stop anyone at the border. Her reasoning is that the flow of immigration would end long before we reached that number and everyone would be happier for it.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/------/ You can get credit for fixing someone else's screwup: Here Are Horrifying Photos Of Obama’s Illegal Alien Facilities The Media Refuses To Show You

You mean ones from 2014 when we had a flood of unaccompanied minors and we had to find places for them all? We didn't yank them from their parents because their parents didn't come with them.

CONTEXT, buddy. It's all about CONTEXT. Trump and Sessions tried to intimidate these people by being cruel to them. It backfired in their face.

/----/ The Liberal Immigration Policy
Step one: Let the poor kids in for goodness sake.
Step 2: Let the poor kids' parents in to care for them for goodness sake.
Step 3: Let the poor kids grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers and sisters in to keep the family intact and vote Democrat for goodness sake.
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None of that is true.

/——/ Ever hear of chain migration, Tard?

 

[kaz]

I live near the borders. The ports are not blocked. Sessions is encouraging true ASYLUM SEEKERS to make their intentions known at a border crossing rather than run into the desert or cross a river...

The lawyers who work along the border are saying that’s not what’s happening. Asylum seekers are being slowed down and blocked at the borders. Asylum seekers have to have both feet on US soil to claim asylum. Trump won’t let them do that. That’s why they’re crossing any way they can. People are waiting days and then being turned away from crossing while being told the US is full and they can’t come in.

Good. I only wish it was true.

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I was talking with a friend today who believes the Unites States could easily take in up to 300 million additional people and there is no reason to stop anyone at the border. Her reasoning is that the flow of immigration would end long before we reached that number and everyone would be happier for it.

Well there you go ...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I live near the borders. The ports are not blocked. Sessions is encouraging true ASYLUM SEEKERS to make their intentions known at a border crossing rather than run into the desert or cross a river...

The lawyers who work along the border are saying that’s not what’s happening. Asylum seekers are being slowed down and blocked at the borders. Asylum seekers have to have both feet on US soil to claim asylum. Trump won’t let them do that. That’s why they’re crossing any way they can. People are waiting days and then being turned away from crossing while being told the US is full and they can’t come in.

Trump shouldn't let them do that. Asylum is what you seek to escape extreme danger from your government be it harm to you, your family or even death. Once they set foot in Mexico, that goal was already achieved. There is no need to come here.

 

[AZGAL]

It Takes the Government More Than Two Years to Hire an Immigration Judge

• By Eric Katz
• June 8, 2017
  
  @GovExec
  
  GovExec covers the most pressing biz topics in fed government online and through live events. Part of @AtlanticMedia. Curated by @rjgianfortune
  
  Washington, DC
  

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• June 2017
  GAO-17-438
  United States Government Accountability Office
  June 2017 IMMIGRATION COURTS Actions Needed to Reduce Case Backlog and Address Long-Standing Management and Operational Challenges
• EOIR has taken some steps to address its workforce needs, such as entering into a contract to determine judicial staff workloads, but does not have a workforce plan that would help EOIR better address staffing needs, such as those resulting from the 39 percent of its immigration judges who are currently eligible for retirement. EOIR also does not have efficient practices for hiring new immigration judges, which has contributed to immigration judges being staffed below authorized levels. GAO found that it took an average of 742 days to hire new judges from 2011 through August 2016. By assessing its hiring process and developing a hiring strategy that targets staffing needs, EOIR would be better positioned to hire judges more quickly and address its staffing gaps

 

[AZGAL]

These people have a better chance at proceeding with Asylum claims if they make that claim at a port of entry rather than by illegally crossing the border. They can get a temporary status to remain legally:

Countries Currently Designated for TPS

• El Salvador
• Haiti
• Honduras
• Nepal
• Nicaragua
• Somalia
• Sudan
• South Sudan
• Syria
• Yemen

 

[Flopper]

No, there wasn't a policy of enforcing illegal immigration law until Trump started it.

Anyway, it's amazing how you're such a big fan of this bill, but can't actually tell me what it is.

It's a lie to say Trump "caved", or that he started a policy of separating families, or to pretend that he hasn't been calling for this law you pretend doesn't exist to be changed all along. Come to think of it, it's also a lie for you to pretend the Flores Settlement and the Ninth Circuit ruling regarding it don't exist.

Yes it was because he really cared about these kids, not the fact that the party was’t behind him and only 17 percent of the public approved. He’s just big softy.


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At least as believable as leftists caring about these kids, when they haven't done a fucking thing to change the situation.

Why would they change it? It's working in their favor. The MSM, the moderate right like Medved and Hewitt, the women are all on board with the destruction of this country by not providing deterrents to come here. The invaders are winning to the point Trump is even giving in.

I'd hate to be alive in this country 50 years or so from today; a socialist, communist nightmare that the folks are creating today. But like the frog in the pot of cold water on the stove....................

You are supporting a dictator who is ruining our country right now.

Nope, he's trying to save it. That's why we voted him in. All we can do now is hope he devises new and stronger border protections TO save this country. Next budget, the wall should not be negotiable. Let the commies shutdown the government if they want.

An when hasn't a tyrant claimed he's trying to save the country. What a leader is trying to do often is less important than the methods he's using.