What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are using children as hostages. You are no different than terrorists.

And the left is not???

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Lol god you are stupid. This isn’t hard to figure out. Should we treat someone who steals a candy bar like someone who raped someone? Obviously not. It’s amazing I have to walk you through this.

The cost of just one illegal would buy a shit ton of candy bars.

Oh really. If you look at the top states in which residents receive a healthcare subsidy, they are mostly red states. The states with the lowest per capita income are mostly red states.

Hey dumbass!!!
My state is full of illegals and south of the border invaders....
And of course most of them are on welfare of some sort......oops.
Thanks for making my point.

Most of them are in red states and are white.

Bullshit.
Most are black in the inner cities or brown invaders from south of the border.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

"...those children had arrived alone at the Southwest border — without their parents. Most of them are from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, and were fleeing drug cartels, gang violence and domestic abuse, according to government data." And a lot of them are gang members themselves.

"...the department’s office of refugee resettlement began voluntarily making the calls as a 30-day follow-up to make sure that the children and their sponsors did not require additional services. Those calls, which the office does not view as required, Mr. Hargan said, are now “being used to confuse and spread misinformation.”

In many cases, the statement said, sponsors cannot be reached because “they themselves are illegal aliens and do not want to be reached by federal authorities.”
Did the Trump Administration Separate Immigrant Children From Parents and Lose Them?

The left has trafficked gang members and criminals into the US, and now that they've *disappeared* they want to blame Trump?

Fucking ludicrous.

What happens is people show up with kids that aren't theirs, or that they're using as mules, and we remove the kids for their own safety.

Of course the left doesn't like that. Children are disposable, and are supposed to be used by adults to get over the border. The left embraces trafficking, and is going to squawk when you protect children. They always have.

“As required by law, D.H.S. must protect the best interests of minor children crossing our borders, and occasionally this results in separating children from an adult they are traveling with if we cannot ascertain the parental relationship, or if we think the child is otherwise in danger,”

Hundreds of Immigrant Children Have Been Taken From Parents at U.S. Border

That is so much bullshit and trash like you know it. The Trump people are separating children from their parents. They know it is wrong because they are blaming democrats for it. This is happening more than occasionally.

Got anymore BULLSHIT.

You're a liar. Proved repeatedly, and obvious here.

Child trafficking, slavery...these are the historic accoutrement of the US left.

Being Trump trash automatically makes you a liar. Proven and obvious.

Who introduced slavery to the south. Northern merchants and Republicans.

LOL....so full of shit her eyes are brown and her breath smells like an outhouse.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

its just like the 'anchor baby' deal , mexicans drop an anchor baby and they have the Americans by the nutz . This variation of the mexican taking their kids to the border is , as i say just a variation of dropping an anchor baby . -------------------- as the mexican cries and says , you can't separate 'mamasitas' and widdle baby mexicans Coyote .

So you are fine with taking young children from their parents and throwing them into our foster care system while they await hearings? 700 kids lost in our foster care network or housed in barracks apart from their parents. It's sick but you don't have an issue with it.

It's the parent's fault. They know that they are breaking the law.
Many times when US parents break laws their children are put in foster care.

It is not the parents' fault. Trump knows this which is why he is blaming Democrats.

----------------------------- he is blaming 'dems' / YOU because the moochers in cages photos was taken during 'mrobama' time in office Busybee .

Do you have a clue what you are talking about. We are talking about TRUMP'S decision to separate children from their families. Obama did not start it. Quit blaming Obama for everything.

You stupid clunt!!
That started in the meat puppet faggot era.

 

[OKTexas]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Republicans tend to lack basic empathy for things they don’t directly witness. They don’t have the emotional maturity or complexity of thought for such a thing. As a result, they don’t bother thinking about the well being of kids. They just know brown people have crossed the border and their GOP masters tell them it’s a bad thing.

The parents are responsible for anything that happens to the kids, they put them in the situation.


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Sorry but no. Once they are under our control WE are responsible.

And Sessions told them very clearly what would happen if they came here, we take care of them as best we can. But in the end it falls on the parents, they made the choice to bring them here.


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[HereWeGoAgain]

You might look at my first post in this thread. I don't have to defend anything, it's the law. Don't like it, tell you congresscritters to get off their lazy asses and change it.


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They aren't convicted and deserve their day in court before their kids are ripped from them and sent halfway across the country. Also, like I said they are doing this with those who legally enter the country as well.

The adults are a flight risk, they stay in detention until their trial or hearing, the courts say the kids can't be held there. Address the law, not me.


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They have in the past, this is a recent change in policy.

So you suggest we keep doing shit that doesn't work, over and over. I think they have a name for that, insanity.


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What does separating children from their families have to do with illegal immigration. NOTHING. So what are you trying to do.

So you want to hold children with the adults that raped the women during their illegal march across our border?
What could possibly go wrong?

 

[OKTexas]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Republicans tend to lack basic empathy for things they don’t directly witness. They don’t have the emotional maturity or complexity of thought for such a thing. As a result, they don’t bother thinking about the well being of kids. They just know brown people have crossed the border and their GOP masters tell them it’s a bad thing.

The parents are responsible for anything that happens to the kids, they put them in the situation.


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Using that logic we could murder the kids in their sleep and completely escape culpability. Your argument is weak.

Many are raped, beaten and yes some killed even before they reach the border. Many are trafficked and sold once they reach the US, brought here by people they aren't even related to. That's why Sessions is insisting on DNA tests, to prove paternity. Many are given to supposed relatives who are illegal themselves, that's why they don't answer when DHS calls to check on the kids. All because the parents or who ever they are are using them hoping to get a free pass to disappear into the population. Sessions isn't giving any more free passes.


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There is no free pass being given by allowing children to stay with parents as they await their hearing. They have always been able to remove children they suspect might not belong to the "parents" but that is not the case here.

Your dear leader issued NTAs to families and cut them loose into the population, most didn't show up for their hearing, that's not happening anymore. The courts won't allow the kids to be detained with their parents, so we find them a place to stay until the case is resolved.


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[koshergrl]

MS13 love the reservations. They like to have half Indian anchor babies out in the hinterlands where they move their victims and drugs back and froth.

 

[Tresha91203]

You cannot house children in adult detention centers. It is common sense.

They used to put everybody together years ago in Florida but they wound up with kids being sexually assaulted.

They managed to keep families together before...now suddenly they cant? Has there been an sudden increase in crimes against these children that they can not stay with their mothers?

They haven't housed children with adults for a long time. This isn't something Trump implemented. He was complaining about it, in fact, and drawing attention to the fact that, due to the law, that's what happens.

Trump criticizes separating families at the border, despite his administration's support for policy that could lead to separation - CNNPolitics

It was happening under Obama, but it wasn't an issue then. It's a humanitarian crisis under Trump, though.

 

[OKTexas]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Republicans tend to lack basic empathy for things they don’t directly witness. They don’t have the emotional maturity or complexity of thought for such a thing. As a result, they don’t bother thinking about the well being of kids. They just know brown people have crossed the border and their GOP masters tell them it’s a bad thing.

The parents are responsible for anything that happens to the kids, they put them in the situation.


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We hold law enforcement to the same standards we hold everyone else. The people who are implementing this policy are responsible and should be held legally liable. Take your trash elsewhere.

Who said they're not?


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[C_Clayton_Jones]

This isn’t difficult to understand:

Follow the law, obey the rule of law – whether one likes it or not or agrees with it or not – until such time as the law is changed via the political or judicial process.

And current law holds that undocumented immigrants are entitled to a presumption of innocence and due process of the law; that adverse action cannot be taken against them until due process has been exhausted, such as taking from them their children.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

God you people are stupid. Her point is about the kids who didn’t choose to be smuggled over the border.

You mean just like the children of incarcerated bank robbers...and how the piece of shit parents forfeited them to the system by way of their own actions?

So you’re equating bank robbers to people who want a better life for their children by crossing a border? God you’re fucking stupid.

The bank robber wants the same thing.

Bank robbery is a felony.

Being here illegally is one misdemeanor count. Parents who have completed their sentence should be reunited with their children.

Then I have a solution to our problem. Make coming here illegal a felony and then take away the kids.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

It's the parent's fault. They know that they are breaking the law.
Many times when US parents break laws their children are put in foster care.

It is not the parents' fault. Trump knows this which is why he is blaming Democrats.

----------------------------- he is blaming 'dems' / YOU because the moochers in cages photos was taken during 'mrobama' time in office Busybee .

Do you have a clue what you are talking about. We are talking about TRUMP'S decision to separate children from their families. Obama did not start it. Quit blaming Obama for everything.

Obama lost over 4100 children when he was President.

The fact is that it continued under Trump. However we are discussing TRUMP policy of separating children from their families. Obama had nothing to do with it.

It looks like the illegal aliens are trying to use their children as passports

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So, I guess you do believe that the United States can great people like cattle and you have no problem with it. Like I said earlier, they aren't even human to you.

You come here like cattle, you get treated like cattle.

I believe the intoxicated mother, but this isn't about drunk driving. It's quite literally nothing like that at all.

It's exactly like the intoxicated mother. A parent who brings harm to their own children are at fault, not the authorities who are trying to straighten out the mess the parents created.

Separating families for no other reason than to teach them a lesson is irresponsible.

No, giving them a deterrent is the responsible thing to do. Catering to the system abusers is irresponsible.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Dear Democrats,
How many illegal aliens will be enough for you?
Why is 11 million not enough?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Dear Democrats,
How many illegal aliens will be enough for you?
Why is 11 million not enough?

Because they need enough to crate a single-party government. That's been their plans all along. Bring enough of them here so when Democrats get back in power, they can grant blanket citizenship to all illegals. Along with citizenship comes the right to vote.

 

[Dragonlady]

Acceptable to whom? It wouldn't occur to the left to adopt a couple of kids or go down to the Border and assist like some Christian charities do. All illegal aliens are to them is a political tool. The left treats illegal entry into the United States like some PITA project where illegals are considered ignorant animals who migrate and have no concept of child care. The U.S. does it's best to respect human life but the responsibilities fall on the illegal aliens who already risked the lives of children getting to the border.

Bullshit. The children being separated from their parents aren’t “illegal aliens”. They’re refugees legally seeking asylum.

Trump doesn’t want asylum seekers. They’re poor, and they legally entitled to a hearing when they ask for asylum. He can’t just send them back where they came from. So he’s taking their children away to discourage them from coming at all.

This is the most heinous disgusting thing Trump has done.

 

[Doc1]

This isn’t difficult to understand:

Follow the law, obey the rule of law – whether one likes it or not or agrees with it or not – until such time as the law is changed via the political or judicial process.

And current law holds that undocumented immigrants are entitled to a presumption of innocence and due process of the law; that adverse action cannot be taken against them until due process has been exhausted, such as taking from them their children.

Follow the Law, stop them at the border.

 

[tycho1572]

Democrats need to stop encouraging them to illegally cross our boarder. It’s a creul and selfish thing to do.

 

[Tresha91203]

its just like the 'anchor baby' deal , mexicans drop an anchor baby and they have the Americans by the nutz . This variation of the mexican taking their kids to the border is , as i say just a variation of dropping an anchor baby . -------------------- as the mexican cries and says , you can't separate 'mamasitas' and widdle baby mexicans Coyote .

So you are fine with taking young children from their parents and throwing them into our foster care system while they await hearings? 700 kids lost in our foster care network or housed in barracks apart from their parents. It's sick but you don't have an issue with it.

It's the parent's fault. They know that they are breaking the law.
Many times when US parents break laws their children are put in foster care.

It is not the parents' fault. Trump knows this which is why he is blaming Democrats.

----------------------------- he is blaming 'dems' / YOU because the moochers in cages photos was taken during 'mrobama' time in office Busybee .

Do you have a clue what you are talking about. We are talking about TRUMP'S decision to separate children from their families. Obama did not start it. Quit blaming Obama for everything.

TRUMP: Look, we are going to start enforcing our laws. We've got to get a handle on this. No more catch and release B.S.. Fair warning, If you cross our border illegally, you will be detained. Since we are going to start enforcing our laws, Congress might look at this f'ed up part separating families that's been going on a long time and doesn't seem to be working. Lawmakers need to fix that part.

MSM: Trump is threatening to rip apart innocent families because he hates brown people and children. Here's a photo of caved children under another administration to add drama.

SHEEP: Trump is kidnapping and caging children!