What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[pismoe]

I know your heart is in the right place, Coyote.

My heart is pissed off at the sick attitudes presented here.

---------------------------------- GOOD , as far as families go i am PRO American family and i am pizzed off at the sick unAmerican attitudes of liberal / lefties in this thread Coyote .

 

[Tresha91203]

It's the parent's fault. They know that they are breaking the law.
Many times when US parents break laws their children are put in foster care.

It is not the parents' fault. Trump knows this which is why he is blaming Democrats.

----------------------------- he is blaming 'dems' / YOU because the moochers in cages photos was taken during 'mrobama' time in office Busybee .

Do you have a clue what you are talking about. We are talking about TRUMP'S decision to separate children from their families. Obama did not start it. Quit blaming Obama for everything.

TRUMP: Look, we are going to start enforcing our laws. We've got to get a handle on this. No more catch and release B.S.. Fair warning, If you cross our border illegally, you will be detained. Since we are going to start enforcing our laws, Congress might look at this f'ed up part separating families that's been going on a long time and doesn't seem to be working. Lawmakers need to fix that part.

MSM: Trump is threatening to rip apart innocent families because he hates brown people and children. Here's a photo of caved children under another administration to add drama.

SHEEP: Trump is kidnapping and caging children!

Fact: Sessions has instituted a new policy of removing children from all illegal border crossers.

RWMedia: But Obama did it.

Strange Observation: the number of children being separated is so huge there aren’t enough places for them and HHS has no budget to House them.

Question: ....but didn’t Obama do it?

Political talking point scorecard 10.

Families zero.

The new policy is to enforce the law. Trump is asking for a fix to this part of the law. Since we won't be ignoring our laws anymore, can we focus on fixing this part of the law, the one before Trump, that even be disagrees with?

 

[Yousaidwhat]

You are punishing the children

Their parents are punishing those children, and putting them in harm's way, to reap benefits the the parents are not entitled to.

Actually, many are attempting to either escape extreme poverty or violence to better their own lives but your way sounds so much more dismissive and palatable.

If it is so dire and imperative then they should have sought asylum the minute they crossed the Mexican border.

 

[Coyote]

You cannot house children in adult detention centers. It is common sense.

They used to put everybody together years ago in Florida but they wound up with kids being sexually assaulted.

They managed to keep families together before...now suddenly they cant? Has there been an sudden increase in crimes against these children that they can not stay with their mothers?

They haven't housed children with adults for a long time. This isn't something Trump implemented. He was complaining about it, in fact, and drawing attention to the fact that, due to the law, that's what happens.

Trump criticizes separating families at the border, despite his administration's support for policy that could lead to separation - CNNPolitics

It was happening under Obama, but it wasn't an issue then. It's a humanitarian crisis under Trump, though.

Because they kept children with their mothers while awaiting their hearing. That is new.

I believe you are wrong. There were no mothers in the 2014 photos I saw. Do you have a link?

Do you mean the photos currently being circulated again of huge numbers of children in crowded conditions? 2014 saw a flood of unaccompanied minors Surge in unaccompanied child immigrants spurs White House reaction

The children traveled unaccompanied by parents.

 

[deltex1]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

The solution is not to bear the burden created by political leaders in other countries. The solution is to kill those leaders until the correct ones are chosen.

 

[tycho1572]

They used to put everybody together years ago in Florida but they wound up with kids being sexually assaulted.

They managed to keep families together before...now suddenly they cant? Has there been an sudden increase in crimes against these children that they can not stay with their mothers?

They haven't housed children with adults for a long time. This isn't something Trump implemented. He was complaining about it, in fact, and drawing attention to the fact that, due to the law, that's what happens.

Trump criticizes separating families at the border, despite his administration's support for policy that could lead to separation - CNNPolitics

It was happening under Obama, but it wasn't an issue then. It's a humanitarian crisis under Trump, though.

Because they kept children with their mothers while awaiting their hearing. That is new.

I believe you are wrong. There were no mothers in the 2014 photos I saw. Do you have a link?

Do you mean the photos currently being circulated again of huge numbers of children in crowded conditions? 2014 saw a flood of unaccompanied minors Surge in unaccompanied child immigrants spurs White House reaction

The children traveled unaccompanied by parents.

It’s sad that democrats keep inviting them in while not telling them about our laws.

 

[tycho1572]

Democrats are giving these people false hope.

 

[Coyote]

It is not the parents' fault. Trump knows this which is why he is blaming Democrats.

----------------------------- he is blaming 'dems' / YOU because the moochers in cages photos was taken during 'mrobama' time in office Busybee .

Do you have a clue what you are talking about. We are talking about TRUMP'S decision to separate children from their families. Obama did not start it. Quit blaming Obama for everything.

TRUMP: Look, we are going to start enforcing our laws. We've got to get a handle on this. No more catch and release B.S.. Fair warning, If you cross our border illegally, you will be detained. Since we are going to start enforcing our laws, Congress might look at this f'ed up part separating families that's been going on a long time and doesn't seem to be working. Lawmakers need to fix that part.

MSM: Trump is threatening to rip apart innocent families because he hates brown people and children. Here's a photo of caved children under another administration to add drama.

SHEEP: Trump is kidnapping and caging children!

Fact: Sessions has instituted a new policy of removing children from all illegal border crossers.

RWMedia: But Obama did it.

Strange Observation: the number of children being separated is so huge there aren’t enough places for them and HHS has no budget to House them.

Question: ....but didn’t Obama do it?

Political talking point scorecard 10.

Families zero.

The new policy is to enforce the law. Trump is asking for a fix to this part of the law. Since we won't be ignoring our laws anymore, can we focus on fixing this part of the law, the one before Trump, that even be disagrees with?

So a policy of child abuse is now part of the new enforcement of the law and people are going to pretend that the law has no discretionary powers in order to justify this abuse.

So if you are caught jaywalking they can take your children and toss them into foster care because they are only enforcing the law.

 

[koshergrl]

It's the parent's fault. They know that they are breaking the law.
Many times when US parents break laws their children are put in foster care.

It is not the parents' fault. Trump knows this which is why he is blaming Democrats.

----------------------------- he is blaming 'dems' / YOU because the moochers in cages photos was taken during 'mrobama' time in office Busybee .

Do you have a clue what you are talking about. We are talking about TRUMP'S decision to separate children from their families. Obama did not start it. Quit blaming Obama for everything.

TRUMP: Look, we are going to start enforcing our laws. We've got to get a handle on this. No more catch and release B.S.. Fair warning, If you cross our border illegally, you will be detained. Since we are going to start enforcing our laws, Congress might look at this f'ed up part separating families that's been going on a long time and doesn't seem to be working. Lawmakers need to fix that part.

MSM: Trump is threatening to rip apart innocent families because he hates brown people and children. Here's a photo of caved children under another administration to add drama.

SHEEP: Trump is kidnapping and caging children!

Fact: Sessions has instituted a new policy of removing children from all illegal border crossers.

RWMedia: But Obama did it.

Strange Observation: the number of children being separated is so huge there aren’t enough places for them and HHS has no budget to House them.

Question: ....but didn’t Obama do it?

Political talking point scorecard 10.

Families zero.

They aren't FAMILIES. These are TRAFFICKERS who are using children, often children that they have PAID someone to use....to get across the border.

You people insist on conflating TRAFFICKERS with FAMILY. Yes, families of TRAFFICKERS are split up when their victims, who often are their own children, are taken from them for their protection. Apparently you think human trafficking is cool, as long as the traffickers claim some relation to their victims?

 

[pismoe]

with all due respect to Normal Females on the board but what you see in this thread by what i ASSUME to be female posters . Its the reason i will never vote or support MOST women who ever run for high office or simple power over me and my son and daughters and other Americans . These ASSUMED women in this thread are not thoughtful people but are driven by silly emotion . ------------- JUST a comment , just saying .

You mean silly emotions like all illegals should be shot on sight?

----------------------------------------- yeah , i just won't support them . Many are quite silly and emotional as they let their emotions or naivete control them . We are talking about little foreign invader kids in appropriate holding areas and some of these ASSUMED women are going crazy in this thread . Course , the same judgement for the effete and feminized [technically male] male posters Coyote .

 

[koshergrl]

Acceptable to whom? It wouldn't occur to the left to adopt a couple of kids or go down to the Border and assist like some Christian charities do. All illegal aliens are to them is a political tool. The left treats illegal entry into the United States like some PITA project where illegals are considered ignorant animals who migrate and have no concept of child care. The U.S. does it's best to respect human life but the responsibilities fall on the illegal aliens who already risked the lives of children getting to the border.

Bullshit. The children being separated from their parents aren’t “illegal aliens”. They’re refugees legally seeking asylum.

Trump doesn’t want asylum seekers. They’re poor, and they legally entitled to a hearing when they ask for asylum. He can’t just send them back where they came from. So he’s taking their children away to discourage them from coming at all.

This is the most heinous disgusting thing Trump has done.

Asylum Fraud is a huge problem.

And that is what hearings determine. Until then they are not illegal.

Really.

Can you cite that law?

 

[Auld Phart]

"...those children had arrived alone at the Southwest border — without their parents. Most of them are from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, and were fleeing drug cartels, gang violence and domestic abuse, according to government data." And a lot of them are gang members themselves.

"...the department’s office of refugee resettlement began voluntarily making the calls as a 30-day follow-up to make sure that the children and their sponsors did not require additional services. Those calls, which the office does not view as required, Mr. Hargan said, are now “being used to confuse and spread misinformation.”

In many cases, the statement said, sponsors cannot be reached because “they themselves are illegal aliens and do not want to be reached by federal authorities.”
Did the Trump Administration Separate Immigrant Children From Parents and Lose Them?

The left has trafficked gang members and criminals into the US, and now that they've *disappeared* they want to blame Trump?

Fucking ludicrous.

What happens is people show up with kids that aren't theirs, or that they're using as mules, and we remove the kids for their own safety.

Of course the left doesn't like that. Children are disposable, and are supposed to be used by adults to get over the border. The left embraces trafficking, and is going to squawk when you protect children. They always have.

“As required by law, D.H.S. must protect the best interests of minor children crossing our borders, and occasionally this results in separating children from an adult they are traveling with if we cannot ascertain the parental relationship, or if we think the child is otherwise in danger,”

Hundreds of Immigrant Children Have Been Taken From Parents at U.S. Border

That is so much bullshit and trash like you know it. The Trump people are separating children from their parents. They know it is wrong because they are blaming democrats for it. This is happening more than occasionally.

Got anymore BULLSHIT.

They know it is wrong because they are blaming democrats for it.

Couldn't possibly be because it started under Obama, could it?

You know that is garbage. Even Trump supporters don't buy that.

Maybe you should look it up.

 

[Coyote]

Democrats are giving these people false hope.

This should not be a partisan issue. No one is saying open up the borders and let them all in. This is a specific policy carried out to an unnecessary and abusive extreme that most damages those who have the least control over their destinies.

 

[koshergrl]

Democrats are giving these people false hope.

This should not be a partisan issue. No one is saying open up the borders and let them all in. This is a specific policy carried out to an unnecessary and abusive extreme that most damages those who have the least control over their destinies.

Yes well until now, even the left has pretended to be anti-human trafficking.

Apparently they've changed. Probably because it's a respected profession among muslims and MS13.

 

[Coyote]

What happens is people show up with kids that aren't theirs, or that they're using as mules, and we remove the kids for their own safety.

Of course the left doesn't like that. Children are disposable, and are supposed to be used by adults to get over the border. The left embraces trafficking, and is going to squawk when you protect children. They always have.

“As required by law, D.H.S. must protect the best interests of minor children crossing our borders, and occasionally this results in separating children from an adult they are traveling with if we cannot ascertain the parental relationship, or if we think the child is otherwise in danger,”

Hundreds of Immigrant Children Have Been Taken From Parents at U.S. Border

Did you miss the word “occasionally”? I have no issue with removing a child from someone suspected of not being family or trafficking. But as pointed out, it happens occasionally.

100% is not occasional.

 

[Norman]

Democrats are giving these people false hope.

This should not be a partisan issue. No one is saying open up the borders and let them all in. This is a specific policy carried out to an unnecessary and abusive extreme that most damages those who have the least control over their destinies.

This is precisely letting any one of them in who has a child shield. Which will be everyone if such stupidity is allowed to happen.

 

[Kondor3]

...The United States is also separating families for those legally seeking asylum...

That right? Tough luck.

...Plus, many immigrants are escaping extreme poverty or violence...

Not our problem... it's theirs... let 'em "escape" into some OTHER country for once, and stay-the-hell outta mine.

...Time to send what message?...

That the United States is for American Citizens, that America now enforces its laws and borders, and that if you come here illegally, you and your family do so at your own risk.

...That the United States doesn't care about family values now that the family values party is in control?

That the United States is for American Citizens, that America now enforces its laws and borders, and that if you come here illegally, you and your family do so at your own risk.

 

[tycho1572]

Democrats are giving these people false hope.

This should not be a partisan issue. No one is saying open up the borders and let them all in. This is a specific policy carried out to an unnecessary and abusive extreme that most damages those who have the least control over their destinies.

You’re still equating that pic from the obama years to Trump.

Here’s a woman who understands the importance of having immigration laws. Her husband was recently deported.....


I blame democrats for that.

 

[koshergrl]

What happens is people show up with kids that aren't theirs, or that they're using as mules, and we remove the kids for their own safety.

Of course the left doesn't like that. Children are disposable, and are supposed to be used by adults to get over the border. The left embraces trafficking, and is going to squawk when you protect children. They always have.

“As required by law, D.H.S. must protect the best interests of minor children crossing our borders, and occasionally this results in separating children from an adult they are traveling with if we cannot ascertain the parental relationship, or if we think the child is otherwise in danger,”

Hundreds of Immigrant Children Have Been Taken From Parents at U.S. Border

Did you miss the word “occasionally”? I have no issue with removing a child from someone suspected of not being family or trafficking. But as pointed out, it happens occasionally.

100% is not occasional.

Actually, it happens a lot.

And you are pretending that when it happens, it's Trump splitting up families.

That's the lie the traffickers want everybody to believe.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

My heart is pissed off at the sick attitudes presented here.

It doesn't get much sicker than wanting to flood the developed world with primitive misogynists and then laughing when they rape the children of the lands they have entered and want to take over. .