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The demand coming from the liberals ,er Unions, might go over easier were it not for the work product funded by tax payer dollars , being so substandard
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How dare you sir, how dare you I say. How dare you to inject honest facts. Not hpyer, fixedlies soundbites, but facts.
You must know by now that ConJobs, Repugs and Teabaggers hate facts.
100 cents of every dollar for WI state workers' pensions paid for by the state workers themselves | Corrente
Would you let them keep their own pensions then?
Guess what they already do.
Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.
How can that be? Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages as pensions when they retire rather than take immediately in cash. The same is true with the health care plan. If this were not so a serious crime would be taking place, the gift of public funds rather than payment for services.
INteresting story that relates. My brother worked for a school district that, on the average, paid the teachers between $5-8k lower than the other districts in the area. However, their health benefits were 100% covered, something no other district did. The district pointed out that distinction to all new hirees. Well, since then, the teachers have taken on more and more of the co-pays, etc. and are footing (out of pocket) more and more of the health care costs to the point that they are now comparable to the other districts in the area. Has their pay gone up to compensate? Hell no. They've taken cuts and are getting non-pay furlough days this year. And his district has a record surplus of money for "raining days".
How dare you sir, how dare you I say. How dare you to inject honest facts. Not hpyer, fixedlies soundbites, but facts.
You must know by now that ConJobs, Repugs and Teabaggers hate facts.
Fuckbrain, if you had any intelligence you'd understand that EVERY PENNY of compensation that goes to the public workers, regardless of what it is called - pensions, health care, striaght salary, etc. - ALL comes from the taxpayer.
ALL OF IT.
How one labels the compensation is irrelevent, it is all taxpayer funded, period. Conservatives and tea partiers don't dislike facts, they just don't like brainless liberal/far left monkeys like you...
How dare you sir, how dare you I say. How dare you to inject honest facts. Not hpyer, fixedlies soundbites, but facts.
You must know by now that ConJobs, Repugs and Teabaggers hate facts.
Fuckbrain, if you had any intelligence you'd understand that EVERY PENNY of compensation that goes to the public workers, regardless of what it is called - pensions, health care, striaght salary, etc. - ALL comes from the taxpayer.
ALL OF IT.
How one labels the compensation is irrelevent, it is all taxpayer funded, period. Conservatives and tea partiers don't dislike facts, they just don't like brainless liberal/far left monkeys like you...
wow teabagger such words from an IDIOT. Your right the pay and benefits come from the tax payer and it was agreed to be paid in such a manner as using part of the pay to do certain things other than take it in cash. Now to come back and try to somehow blame the workers for the problems of the state and how they funded their obligations is BS.
It would be like you buy a car and getting a service agreement which you paid for as part of the car, only to have me come back three years from now and say hey it's costing us too much for the repairs so we need you to pick up some of the cost that we agreed to provide you.
YOU SIR ARE ONE DUMBASS, and if you want 100,000 workers to do the work you need done, you seem to think it's ntheir fault that you fell on hard times and they suddenly are worth less, and then you havfe the right to inswult them as you ask for their forgiveness of what you made promises about.
Fuckbrain, if you had any intelligence you'd understand that EVERY PENNY of compensation that goes to the public workers, regardless of what it is called - pensions, health care, striaght salary, etc. - ALL comes from the taxpayer.
ALL OF IT.
How one labels the compensation is irrelevent, it is all taxpayer funded, period. Conservatives and tea partiers don't dislike facts, they just don't like brainless liberal/far left monkeys like you...
wow teabagger such words from an IDIOT. Your right the pay and benefits come from the tax payer and it was agreed to be paid in such a manner as using part of the pay to do certain things other than take it in cash. Now to come back and try to somehow blame the workers for the problems of the state and how they funded their obligations is BS.
It would be like you buy a car and getting a service agreement which you paid for as part of the car, only to have me come back three years from now and say hey it's costing us too much for the repairs so we need you to pick up some of the cost that we agreed to provide you.
YOU SIR ARE ONE DUMBASS, and if you want 100,000 workers to do the work you need done, you seem to think it's their fault that you fell on hard times and they suddenly are worth less, and then you have the right to insult them as you ask for their forgiveness of what you made promises about.
The demand coming from the liberals ,er Unions, might go over easier were it not for the work product funded by tax payer dollars , being so substandard
wow teabagger such words from an IDIOT. Your right the pay and benefits come from the tax payer and it was agreed to be paid in such a manner as using part of the pay to do certain things other than take it in cash. Now to come back and try to somehow blame the workers for the problems of the state and how they funded their obligations is BS.
It would be like you buy a car and getting a service agreement which you paid for as part of the car, only to have me come back three years from now and say hey it's costing us too much for the repairs so we need you to pick up some of the cost that we agreed to provide you.
YOU SIR ARE ONE DUMBASS, and if you want 100,000 workers to do the work you need done, you seem to think it's their fault that you fell on hard times and they suddenly are worth less, and then you have the right to insult them as you ask for their forgiveness of what you made promises about.
I'm so sick and tired of your same old right wing tea bagging conservative BS.
Your just like your daddy Rush but the difference is he at least makes 50 million a year telling everyone how they are overpaid and under worked.
Just because one of you says something doesn't mean that it now become the truth and you can now discuss it as fact when we all know its conservative BS.
The truth is getting the middle class to fight over what some other middle class people get is just distraction to the real ills we have. Greed, fraud, and laws that protect those at the top that allows them to use their wealth in a manner that 80% of can't and will never be able to. So one group of workers makes 20% more than another group, big fucking deal esp since the group thats willing to work for less must not think they are worth more.
the top ceo's in the country average 550 times what their employees make, maybe thats what the governors idea is, if he can cut wages he might get a raise.
Good for you .
why should you be allowed to take your employees benifits away because of your profit line?
It's still ALL taxpayer monies, no matter how many shell games you want to play with it.Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.
How can that be? Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages – as pensions when they retire – rather than take immediately in cash.
When my neighbor who was an employee for Sprint became an employee( through a buyout) of Ericsson, the Sprint pension was wiped out and all workers pension "banks" were converted to 401k's with NO matching funds from the company..When your employer gives the money for your 401k to one of his suppliers in the form of a discount because he likes them is that fair?
Should he have any contractural right to keep paying your benifits and 401 K matching he promised you?
Or can should he by law have the right to just strip you of those parts of your agreed upon compensation?
Simple...Public worker wages and benefits are finally being challenged as excessive. The politicians who for decades were there to protect those wages and benefits are no longer in office.Why does being a public sector worker make you a second class citizen with fewer working rights?
So now you have employees who cant afford to go to the Dr?
I guess even your employees benifited from the health care bill huh?
Do you hate them having that benifit?
I am not aware of any employee who cannot go to a Dr. They don't pay my premium and I don't pay theirs.
I believe all of my employees have private coverage, so I doubt they have seen any benefit from the Law. I am not aware of any employee who supports the Law, and I have several dozen employees. They are paid fairly, and well.
My business would not be where it is without my employees. My employees would not be where they are without my business. We're all fine with that arrangement, even if you aren't.
Individual health insurance policies are easy to get and not that expensive if you're 25 years old with no history of health problems. But add 25 years, ulcers and high blood pressure, a wife recovering from breast cancer and two kids. It's a whole different story.This is going to make TM's head explode:
When I made the decision to cancel our group policy, my insurance premiums went down. WAY down. Under our corporate policy, I had lesser benefits, and a higher premium than I do as an individual holding a private, family policy. My benefits are actually slightly better now, even though I am personally paying LESS money.
Ironically, when it became cost ineffective to carry a corporate policy, my only option was to indirectly increase my personal income.
Only in America!!!!
100 cents of every dollar for WI state workers' pensions paid for by the state workers themselves | Corrente
Would you let them keep their own pensions then?
Guess what they already do.
Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.
How can that be? Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages as pensions when they retire rather than take immediately in cash. The same is true with the health care plan. If this were not so a serious crime would be taking place, the gift of public funds rather than payment for services.
INteresting story that relates. My brother worked for a school district that, on the average, paid the teachers between $5-8k lower than the other districts in the area. However, their health benefits were 100% covered, something no other district did. The district pointed out that distinction to all new hirees. Well, since then, the teachers have taken on more and more of the co-pays, etc. and are footing (out of pocket) more and more of the health care costs to the point that they are now comparable to the other districts in the area. Has their pay gone up to compensate? Hell no. They've taken cuts and are getting non-pay furlough days this year. And his district has a record surplus of money for "raining days".
tax.com: Really Bad Reporting in Wisconsin: Who 'Contributes' to Public Workers' Pensions?
Source article for the OP's post.
After reading it, all this article does is play word games with the pension plans shown. The basic premise is that state employee compensation is a single negotiated package. In that negotiation is the base salary of the worker, the cost of health care, and the cost of the pension. The article's premise is that since the pension contribution is part of the compenstation package, it is therefore the employee's money, and therefore they fund thier own pension.
While true on the surface, the article ignores several points. Point 1 is that all the money comes from the taxpayer, as the employee works for the government, and the government is paid for by taxes. Point 2 is that it does not really go into the breakdowns of how much the splits are.
There is also no mention of how solvent the pension plan is based upon this system, and if the state is required to make contributions above and beyond those mandated by the contracts.
How dare you sir, how dare you I say. How dare you to inject honest facts. Not hpyer, fixedlies soundbites, but facts.
You must know by now that ConJobs, Repugs and Teabaggers hate facts.
Fuckbrain, if you had any intelligence you'd understand that EVERY PENNY of compensation that goes to the public workers, regardless of what it is called - pensions, health care, striaght salary, etc. - ALL comes from the taxpayer.
ALL OF IT.
How one labels the compensation is irrelevent, it is all taxpayer funded, period. Conservatives and tea partiers don't dislike facts, they just don't like brainless liberal/far left monkeys like you...
wow teabagger such words from an IDIOT. Your right the pay and benefits come from the tax payer and it was agreed to be paid in such a manner as using part of the pay to do certain things other than take it in cash. Now to come back and try to somehow blame the workers for the problems of the state and how they funded their obligations is BS.
It would be like you buy a car and getting a service agreement which you paid for as part of the car, only to have me come back three years from now and say hey it's costing us too much for the repairs so we need you to pick up some of the cost that we agreed to provide you.
YOU SIR ARE ONE DUMBASS, and if you want 100,000 workers to do the work you need done, you seem to think it's ntheir fault that you fell on hard times and they suddenly are worth less, and then you havfe the right to inswult them as you ask for their forgiveness of what you made promises about.