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Marx was a couch-crasher that never did a day of work in his life.Funny thing about Marx is that he never made an effort to explain to everyone how the State would ''wither away'' after the ''dictatorship of the proletariat'' commenced.
Relevant reading...
Marx's Theory of Stages: The Withering Away of the State Under Socialism | Mises Institute
Ralph Raico looks at Karl Marx's stages of socialism and finds them wanting.mises.org
He just influenced the whole world through his writings. Academic, intellectual labor, the work of scholars, is extremely valuable to society when it serves the public.Marx was a couch-crasher that never did a day of work in his life.
It's a matter of putting the cart before the horse. It isn't that capitalism or communist is un-American, it's that we should be determining our stance on capitalism and communism from the viewpoint of American values.
Hey man, where that SeaMajor7 was talking about people getting communism pumped into their soft heads? You're
one of those soft-headed motherfuckers that got that done to them in Canada.
No America does NOT and there is no "we".
McCarthy and Skousen were right.
How many of these things have come to fruition since the 1950s? Granted that some are outdated now.
"1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament (by) the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s prombe realitybe realitybe realityise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs of organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
be reality
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the grounds that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Commube realitynist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand (or treat).
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike."
Current Communist Goals (1958) - W. Cleon Skousen
1958 Current Communist Goals, as outlined by W. Cleon Skousen. The following was entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridianwww.latterdayconservative.com
Better off dead than red.
According to history, nothing Marx-related has been beneficial to the human race.He just influenced the whole world through his writings. Academic, intellectual labor, the work of scholars, is extremely valuable to society when it serves the public.
With regard to your thought on "American values,'' we have a very good guide in the Constitution as well as what is widely regard as its blueprint, The Federalist.
Since conservatives and even liberals Etcetera Etcetera from English-speaking countries are terminally brainwashed about socialism and communism, Let's try talking about what happens in the real world in democracies that have communist and socialist parties- every damn time. The Socialists are for fair capitalism with a good safety net and the communists for the state owning all business and industry which means dictatorship and is a total failure.
France Italy and other European countries had communist and socialist parties at the same time, and the socialists always won and the communists disappeared with the Soviet Union and its aid. The US and the UK had socialist parties until World War one and even then they followed that definition. Unfortunately they were against World War One the stupidest war ever, and were banned for it. Eugene Debs look him up he's the American Socialist that was jailed. In France the Socialist leader was assassinated. The UK has always been since the 1600s the most savage capitalist country in the world and they had the English channel so they won. In both battle and Colonialism.
Every country in the modern world is now socialist except for the United States, since you really need health care for all at least to qualify along with democracy. The UK Socialism is on the cheap. And of course they can't call it that because then they would be communists LOL. We have to stop confusing and conflating the two terms. Absolutely ridiculous.
According to history, nothing Marx-related has been beneficial to the human race.
Maybe to commie profs getting a check (from the government) for espousing his bullshit, that's about it.
Yeah, they actually bothered to get the consensus to amend the document.The original U.S. Constitution ratified in 1787, contained provisions that indirectly acknowledged and protected the institution of slavery:
The Constitution, as originally written, thus institutionalized and protected slavery, reflecting the deep divisions and compromises made between the Northern and Southern states.
- Three-Fifths Compromise (Article I, Section 2, Clause 3): This clause stipulated that for purposes of representation in Congress and taxation, only "three-fifths of all other Persons" would be counted. This was a reference to enslaved African Americans. Contrary to a common misconception, this did not mean that black individuals were considered "three-fifths of a person." Rather, this was a political compromise between Southern and Northern states. Southern states wanted enslaved individuals to count fully for representation purposes (to increase the South's representation in Congress) but not for taxation, while Northern states, where slavery was less prevalent, opposed this. The compromise was to count enslaved individuals as three-fifths of a person for both representation and taxation.
- Fugitive Slave Clause (Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3): This clause required that enslaved individuals who escaped to another state be returned to their owners: "No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall... be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due."
- Slave Trade Clause (Article I, Section 9, Clause 1): This clause prevented Congress from banning the importation of enslaved individuals until 1808, although it allowed for taxation on the importation of such individuals.
However, the Civil War, fought from 1861 to 1865, brought the issue of slavery to the forefront of national politics. The war's conclusion led to significant changes in the Constitution:
These amendments, collectively known as the Reconstruction Amendments, fundamentally transformed the Constitution and the nation, ensuring that slavery was abolished and that formerly enslaved individuals and their descendants had citizenship and the right to vote.
- The 13th Amendment (1865): This amendment abolished slavery throughout the United States: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
- The 14th Amendment (1868): This amendment granted citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States," which included formerly enslaved individuals. It also provided equal protection under the law.
- The 15th Amendment (1870): This amendment prohibited the federal government and each state from denying a citizen the right to vote based on that citizen's "race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
POINT:
AMERICAN VALUES EVOLVE
Just as we have amended the US Constitution in the past, when we modified our values and government policies, there's no reason why we can't change our values and policies today and in the future.
future.
Nobody in the right mind and without a gun to their head is for communism, but that has nothing to do with socialism as it is in the real world at this point. Socialism in every democratic Party and every socialist ever has been for fair capitalism with a good safety net and always democratic....According to history, nothing Marx-related has been beneficial to the human race.
Maybe to commie profs getting a check (from the government) for espousing his bullshit, that's about it.
Nope! The US is going to come out on top again!It gave us an accurate critique of capitalism and the economic system that will replace it in the not-too-distant future. Your grandchildren are going to be socialists. Guaranteed.
If the United States had health care for all, we would be socialist right now. Always a democracy and always for fair capitalism with a good safety net.... Every modern country but us is Socialist.It gave us an accurate critique of capitalism and the economic system that will replace it in the not-too-distant future. Your grandchildren are going to be socialists. Guaranteed.
Ooo! I felt a twinge of Dale there!Yeah, they actually bothered to get the consensus to amend the document.
Fifth columnist Fabians like you debauch and debase the culture, then foist your Marxist crap on the whole by fiat.
STFU you fucking stupid goober doober. There's no way you're American.If the United States had health care for all, we would be socialist right now. To always a democracy and always for fair capitalism with a good safety net.... Every modern country but us is Socialist.
There were amendments to the Constitution to end slavery but Lincoln refused.The original U.S. Constitution ratified in 1787, contained provisions that indirectly acknowledged and protected the institution of slavery:
The Constitution, as originally written, thus institutionalized and protected slavery, reflecting the deep divisions and compromises made between the Northern and Southern states.
- Three-Fifths Compromise (Article I, Section 2, Clause 3): This clause stipulated that for purposes of representation in Congress and taxation, only "three-fifths of all other Persons" would be counted. This was a reference to enslaved African Americans. Contrary to a common misconception, this did not mean that black individuals were considered "three-fifths of a person." Rather, this was a political compromise between Southern and Northern states. Southern states wanted enslaved individuals to count fully for representation purposes (to increase the South's representation in Congress) but not for taxation, while Northern states, where slavery was less prevalent, opposed this. The compromise was to count enslaved individuals as three-fifths of a person for both representation and taxation.
- Fugitive Slave Clause (Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3): This clause required that enslaved individuals who escaped to another state be returned to their owners: "No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall... be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due."
- Slave Trade Clause (Article I, Section 9, Clause 1): This clause prevented Congress from banning the importation of enslaved individuals until 1808, although it allowed for taxation on the importation of such individuals.
However, the Civil War, fought from 1861 to 1865, brought the issue of slavery to the forefront of national politics. The war's conclusion led to significant changes in the Constitution:
These amendments, collectively known as the Reconstruction Amendments, fundamentally transformed the Constitution and the nation, ensuring that slavery was abolished and that formerly enslaved individuals and their descendants had citizenship and the right to vote.
- The 13th Amendment (1865): This amendment abolished slavery throughout the United States: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
- The 14th Amendment (1868): This amendment granted citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States," which included formerly enslaved individuals. It also provided equal protection under the law.
- The 15th Amendment (1870): This amendment prohibited the federal government and each state from denying a citizen the right to vote based on that citizen's "race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
POINT:
AMERICAN VALUES EVOLVE
Just as we have amended the US Constitution in the past, when we modified our values and government policies, there's no reason why we can't change our values and policies today and in the future.
Ooo! I felt a twinge of Dale there!
I have lived in France for two years and Spain for two years and England for two years so I know what I'm talking about, unlike you, Super Dupe.STFU you fucking stupid goober doober. There's no way you're American.
Not Gribble.
