What is our obligation to the poor?

[Avatar4321]

State solutions to feeding the poor do indeed work, as we have seen in the West.

They have not made the poor less fed, so, no, such solutions do not make the matter worse.

A program tied to a works component and a jobs training component would be better.

We could debate state solutions until we are blue in the face, they don't eliminate our obligation to do something

 

[Avatar4321]

I think the poor need to try to not be poor. Or if you are poor and have kids your goal should be to get your kids out of poverty. Which means they shouldn't have kids till they are no longer poor.

The next generation of poor chose to be poor. They did it to themselves. No reason a person has to be poor in America unless he or she has children.

You wrote this 5 years ago. Anyone poor who read this back then, what have they done in the last 5 years to better themselves?

Do you believe it would be better to not be born at all than to be born poor?

No

Good answer. Better to have a shot, than no shot at all. Of course you are arguing for people to not have kids because their kids might end up being poor. That is your argument, right?

Yes. But I'm not concerned about the person that was never born because his or her mom was smart enough to take birth control until she could afford to have children.

Are you saying poor people shouldn't worry about being able to afford kids they should have as many as they can for the sake of giving those kids a shot at life?

Im not talking abortion. I'm talking about abstinence or birth control.

Now you tell me, what is your obligation to the poor? If your answer is none then shouldn't poor people think before they breed? Having and raising a kid is a big deal. They don't just raise themselves. So what is the Poor's obligation?

If people waited to afford kids, there wouldn't be many kids being born because it is human nature to push those things beyond the cognitive horizon. You meet your goals, now you have to set new goals. Money should not be the driver. Love should. Everything works itself out. They should have as many as they can afford to love.

Obligation to the poor should be handled in concentric circles. Family, friends, church, community, local government and federal government in that order.

Most people aren't thinking about affording children when they are in the process of creating them

 

[Avatar4321]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I believe that electing officials who have empathy for the poor, aged, infirm and children is to do the work for the many not the few, as implied in the scripture; I also believe that the Callous Conservative set lacks empathy and lives by, I got mine, fuck the rest of you. The evidence is loud and clear by too many on this message board.

How does having empathy for the poor take care of them? I can have empathy till the cows come home but unless I'm doing something no one is being fed. I'd much rather see callous doing something to help than someone with empathy outsourcing their responsibility to a bureaucrat

 

[Wry Catcher]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I believe that electing officials who have empathy for the poor, aged, infirm and children is to do the work for the many not the few, as implied in the scripture; I also believe that the Callous Conservative set lacks empathy and lives by, I got mine, fuck the rest of you. The evidence is loud and clear by too many on this message board.

How does having empathy for the poor take care of them? I can have empathy till the cows come home but unless I'm doing something no one is being fed. I'd much rather see callous doing something to help than someone with empathy outsourcing their responsibility to a bureaucrat

Another spin that won't turn. Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

 

[ding]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I think the poor need to try to not be poor. Or if you are poor and have kids your goal should be to get your kids out of poverty. Which means they shouldn't have kids till they are no longer poor.

The next generation of poor chose to be poor. They did it to themselves. No reason a person has to be poor in America unless he or she has children.

You wrote this 5 years ago. Anyone poor who read this back then, what have they done in the last 5 years to better themselves?

Do you believe it would be better to not be born at all than to be born poor?

No

Good answer. Better to have a shot, than no shot at all. Of course you are arguing for people to not have kids because their kids might end up being poor. That is your argument, right?

Yes. But I'm not concerned about the person that was never born because his or her mom was smart enough to take birth control until she could afford to have children.

Are you saying poor people shouldn't worry about being able to afford kids they should have as many as they can for the sake of giving those kids a shot at life?

Im not talking abortion. I'm talking about abstinence or birth control.

Now you tell me, what is your obligation to the poor? If your answer is none then shouldn't poor people think before they breed? Having and raising a kid is a big deal. They don't just raise themselves. So what is the Poor's obligation?

How much money does one need to afford a child? How are we going to enforce this standard. I'm all about personal responsibility and accountability. I just don't know how you can force people to be responsible and accountable. Do you? You tell me what their obligation is. I don't know what their obligation is. I only know what my obligation is. It's not like you can make them be responsible, right?

 

[ding]

State solutions to feeding the poor do indeed work, as we have seen in the West.

They have not made the poor less fed, so, no, such solutions do not make the matter worse.

A program tied to a works component and a jobs training component would be better.

What do you mean they work? Do they lower the number of people who are poor? Do they get people off poverty?

I think feeding the poor sends a message that they can have as many kids as they want. Maybe we should fix anyone who needs help feeding themselves.

Who are the poor people 20 years from now? I say they are fuck ups or children of fuck ups. Do you know what the kids will grow up to be? You guessed it. Future fuck ups.

Let's start calling the poor fuck ups instead of the poor because that's what they are. Either their parents shouldn't have had them or they shouldn't have had kids. Either way I didn't tell them to breed.

I don't have kids. Do you know why? I like having money.

I'm trying to be blunt to make a point Jake. Anyone who gets pregna nt next year did it to themselves. I didn't even get the pleasure of ejaculating so what is my obligation and who's fault is it that people are poor? Poor people are. Why do you defend fuck ups?

Sounds like you are arguing for eugenics.

Nope. It's simple. Don't have kids while you are living in poverty. Can anyone in America get out of poverty? Then anyone can have kids, once they get out of poverty.

If there were no public schools how would poor people afford to pay for private school? So while we have public assistance poor people don't need to worry about feeding their kids just like they don't have to worry about educating them.

You do realize that all over the world people with a much lower standard of living are churning out kids, right? Would you like to implement forced sterilizations and abortions to control the undesirables?

Are they collecting welfare? No one is forcing you to get sterlilized or have an abortion. But if you want that free money you need to get yourself fixed. And if you have another kid you aren't going to get any more money than what you already get now. People are free to do whatever they want.

People in 3rd world countries can raise a kid even though they are poor and they are not asking for welfare or foodstamps.

This thread is about our obligation to the poor. Really I have no obligation to the poor and if they didn't produce poor children we wouldn't have poor people in 20 years. They want to have things they can't afford. Doesn't that bother you?

Like I wrote before, that sounds awfully like eugenics to me.

 

[ding]

Do you believe it would be better to not be born at all than to be born poor?

No

Good answer. Better to have a shot, than no shot at all. Of course you are arguing for people to not have kids because their kids might end up being poor. That is your argument, right?

Yes. But I'm not concerned about the person that was never born because his or her mom was smart enough to take birth control until she could afford to have children.

Are you saying poor people shouldn't worry about being able to afford kids they should have as many as they can for the sake of giving those kids a shot at life?

Im not talking abortion. I'm talking about abstinence or birth control.

Now you tell me, what is your obligation to the poor? If your answer is none then shouldn't poor people think before they breed? Having and raising a kid is a big deal. They don't just raise themselves. So what is the Poor's obligation?

If people waited to afford kids, there wouldn't be many kids being born because it is human nature to push those things beyond the cognitive horizon. You meet your goals, now you have to set new goals. Money should not be the driver. Love should. Everything works itself out. They should have as many as they can afford to love.

Obligation to the poor should be handled in concentric circles. Family, friends, church, community, local government and federal government in that order.

Most people aren't thinking about affording children when they are in the process of creating them

Sure, so what? Maybe they should. It's all fun and games until the dude leaves the lady high and dry.

 

[ding]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I believe that electing officials who have empathy for the poor, aged, infirm and children is to do the work for the many not the few, as implied in the scripture; I also believe that the Callous Conservative set lacks empathy and lives by, I got mine, fuck the rest of you. The evidence is loud and clear by too many on this message board.

How does having empathy for the poor take care of them? I can have empathy till the cows come home but unless I'm doing something no one is being fed. I'd much rather see callous doing something to help than someone with empathy outsourcing their responsibility to a bureaucrat

Another spin that won't turn. Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

Yep, enough to know that San Francisco is experiencing predictable surprises from normalizing their deviances.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I believe that electing officials who have empathy for the poor, aged, infirm and children is to do the work for the many not the few, as implied in the scripture; I also believe that the Callous Conservative set lacks empathy and lives by, I got mine, fuck the rest of you. The evidence is loud and clear by too many on this message board.

How does having empathy for the poor take care of them? I can have empathy till the cows come home but unless I'm doing something no one is being fed. I'd much rather see callous doing something to help than someone with empathy outsourcing their responsibility to a bureaucrat

Another spin that won't turn. Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

Yep, enough to know that San Francisco is experiencing predictable surprises from normalizing their deviances.

Since I was born and raised, attended Grad School and my first job in LE in The City of San Francisco, suppose you tell me what are these "predictable surprises"?

 

[ding]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I believe that electing officials who have empathy for the poor, aged, infirm and children is to do the work for the many not the few, as implied in the scripture; I also believe that the Callous Conservative set lacks empathy and lives by, I got mine, fuck the rest of you. The evidence is loud and clear by too many on this message board.

How does having empathy for the poor take care of them? I can have empathy till the cows come home but unless I'm doing something no one is being fed. I'd much rather see callous doing something to help than someone with empathy outsourcing their responsibility to a bureaucrat

Another spin that won't turn. Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

Yep, enough to know that San Francisco is experiencing predictable surprises from normalizing their deviances.

Since I was born and raised, attended Grad School and my first job in LE in The City of San Francisco, suppose you tell me what are these "predictable surprises"?

Lawlessness.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I believe that electing officials who have empathy for the poor, aged, infirm and children is to do the work for the many not the few, as implied in the scripture; I also believe that the Callous Conservative set lacks empathy and lives by, I got mine, fuck the rest of you. The evidence is loud and clear by too many on this message board.

How does having empathy for the poor take care of them? I can have empathy till the cows come home but unless I'm doing something no one is being fed. I'd much rather see callous doing something to help than someone with empathy outsourcing their responsibility to a bureaucrat

Another spin that won't turn. Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

Yep, enough to know that San Francisco is experiencing predictable surprises from normalizing their deviances.

Since I was born and raised, attended Grad School and my first job in LE in The City of San Francisco, suppose you tell me what are these "predictable surprises"?

Lawlessness.

LOL - this singular response takes me back a post or two, let me review my question for you:

Q. "Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

A. Lawlessness??! That's absurd and provides all the evidence necessary to prove not only do you not think, but you are ignorant to the nines.

 

[ding]

How does having empathy for the poor take care of them? I can have empathy till the cows come home but unless I'm doing something no one is being fed. I'd much rather see callous doing something to help than someone with empathy outsourcing their responsibility to a bureaucrat

Another spin that won't turn. Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

Yep, enough to know that San Francisco is experiencing predictable surprises from normalizing their deviances.

Since I was born and raised, attended Grad School and my first job in LE in The City of San Francisco, suppose you tell me what are these "predictable surprises"?

Lawlessness.

LOL - this singular response takes me back a post or two, let me review my question for you:

Q. "Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

A. Lawlessness??! That's absurd and provides all the evidence necessary to prove not only do you not think, but you are ignorant to the nines.

Apparently you are unaware of the deteriorating crime statistics. That's what happens when a city lowers its standard of conduct and fails to hold its citizens accountable.

 

[MaryL]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I am poor, I just want to survive. I see some less fortunate as me living under bridges in the extreme cold, and then I see a bunch of outlander illegal aliens that don't speak English creating these little backwater havens sanctuary cities and displace American poor people, and it breaks my heart. We have to draw the line somewhere. We have to grow a spine and say enough. Or just let it go and pretend it won't hurt YOU.

 

[yiostheoy]

Another spin that won't turn. Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

Yep, enough to know that San Francisco is experiencing predictable surprises from normalizing their deviances.

Since I was born and raised, attended Grad School and my first job in LE in The City of San Francisco, suppose you tell me what are these "predictable surprises"?

Lawlessness.

LOL - this singular response takes me back a post or two, let me review my question for you:

Q. "Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

A. Lawlessness??! That's absurd and provides all the evidence necessary to prove not only do you not think, but you are ignorant to the nines.

Apparently you are unaware of the deteriorating crime statistics. That's what happens when a city lowers its standard of conduct and fails to hold its citizens accountable.

Damm ding you sound like an arrogant immature useless kid so I am putting you on my ignore list. Goodbye. Enjoy Hell when you finally get there.

 

[yiostheoy]

Your obligation to the poor is more than your obligation to give money to a wealthy church.

Exactly. Most people do not grasp this.

It is a misconception that allows several major churches to rake in tons of money from their gullible membership.

 

[ding]

Yep, enough to know that San Francisco is experiencing predictable surprises from normalizing their deviances.

Since I was born and raised, attended Grad School and my first job in LE in The City of San Francisco, suppose you tell me what are these "predictable surprises"?

Lawlessness.

LOL - this singular response takes me back a post or two, let me review my question for you:

Q. "Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

A. Lawlessness??! That's absurd and provides all the evidence necessary to prove not only do you not think, but you are ignorant to the nines.

Apparently you are unaware of the deteriorating crime statistics. That's what happens when a city lowers its standard of conduct and fails to hold its citizens accountable.

Damm ding you sound like an arrogant immature useless kid so I am putting you on my ignore list. Goodbye. Enjoy Hell when you finally get there.

Kid? Thanks.

 

[Muhammed]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I believe that electing officials who have empathy for the poor, aged, infirm and children is to do the work for the many not the few, as implied in the scripture; I also believe that the Callous Conservative set lacks empathy and lives by, I got mine, fuck the rest of you. The evidence is loud and clear by too many on this message board.

How does having empathy for the poor take care of them? I can have empathy till the cows come home but unless I'm doing something no one is being fed. I'd much rather see callous doing something to help than someone with empathy outsourcing their responsibility to a bureaucrat

I know what you mean. A lot of organizations that claim to help the poor are mostly helping themselves get rich. You need to know which ones are genuine. I give a lot of money to charities who are genuine, like the Freemasons' Shriner's (you know those old guys who drive miniature cars at parades) They do good work. they really help kids who are in very dire circumstances. They pay for expensive reconstructive surgery for kids who have suffered disfiguring burns and other injuries.

I also donate time and money to Beech House. It is a local charitable organization that gives food and shelter to victims of domestic violence. It's a place where a where a woman and her children can go to escape the cycle of domestic violence. Too many women stay in an abusive relationship because they feel like they have no way out. And when kids are involved, matters get even more complicated because the odds are that he will eventually abuse the children too. I not only donate money, I also let clients temporarily (a year or two) stay in some of my houses at no charge while they go to school and train for a new job.

It teaches them to help themselves.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Another spin that won't turn. Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

Yep, enough to know that San Francisco is experiencing predictable surprises from normalizing their deviances.

Since I was born and raised, attended Grad School and my first job in LE in The City of San Francisco, suppose you tell me what are these "predictable surprises"?

Lawlessness.

LOL - this singular response takes me back a post or two, let me review my question for you:

Q. "Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

A. Lawlessness??! That's absurd and provides all the evidence necessary to prove not only do you not think, but you are ignorant to the nines.

Apparently you are unaware of the deteriorating crime statistics. That's what happens when a city lowers its standard of conduct and fails to hold its citizens accountable.

Apparently you're full of shit.

 

[ding]

Yep, enough to know that San Francisco is experiencing predictable surprises from normalizing their deviances.

Since I was born and raised, attended Grad School and my first job in LE in The City of San Francisco, suppose you tell me what are these "predictable surprises"?

Lawlessness.

LOL - this singular response takes me back a post or two, let me review my question for you:

Q. "Don't/can't you people on the Right think?

A. Lawlessness??! That's absurd and provides all the evidence necessary to prove not only do you not think, but you are ignorant to the nines.

Apparently you are unaware of the deteriorating crime statistics. That's what happens when a city lowers its standard of conduct and fails to hold its citizens accountable.

Apparently you're full of shit.

Oh, I am full of shit on a great many things, but you must have been one of the shitty LE's, for you not to know or care what has is going on there now.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I believe that electing officials who have empathy for the poor, aged, infirm and children is to do the work for the many not the few, as implied in the scripture; I also believe that the Callous Conservative set lacks empathy and lives by, I got mine, fuck the rest of you. The evidence is loud and clear by too many on this message board.

How does having empathy for the poor take care of them? I can have empathy till the cows come home but unless I'm doing something no one is being fed. I'd much rather see callous doing something to help than someone with empathy outsourcing their responsibility to a bureaucrat

I know what you mean. A lot of organizations that claim to help the poor are mostly helping themselves get rich. You need to know which ones are genuine. I give a lot of money to charities who are genuine, like the Freemasons' Shriner's (you know those old guys who drive miniature cars at parades) They do good work. they really help kids who are in very dire circumstances. They pay for expensive reconstructive surgery for kids who have suffered disfiguring burns and other injuries.

I also donate time and money to Beech House. It is a local charitable organization that gives food and shelter to victims of domestic violence. It's a place where a where a woman and her children can go to escape the cycle of domestic violence. Too many women stay in an abusive relationship because they feel like they have no way out. And when kids are involved, matters get even more complicated because the odds are that he will eventually abuse the children too. I not only donate money, I also let clients temporarily (a year or two) stay in some of my houses at no charge while they go to school and train for a new job.

It teaches them to help themselves.

Good for you. I give to shelter's for battered women too. I was one of the bureaucrats disrespected by the ignorant; I ran my agencies Domestic Violence Unit, wrote two and co-wrote one grant funded by VAWA administered by the US DOJ and managed the two I wrote. They funded in part or in full public and private personnel and training around our country on the issue of DV and its impact on women, children and communities.

In my spare time my avocation was coaching, baseball primarily but also soccer and basketball. I gave my time and money in terms of driving and equipment and wrote a grant which funded the Challenger Division of LL Baseball in my community.