What is the goal of capitalism?

[Orangecat]

Dream on. This isn’t a free market capitalist system. It’s crony capitalism or better yet, quasi Fascism. Wake up!

That’s what losers usually say. We are free to define our own success. If you’re unhappy, that’s on you.

 

[Mexicano]

And if they don't want to do the job the state assigns them? What then? Don't dodge. Do they still get free shit?

Even in communist dictatorships jobs are not assigned. People choose from the available pool of state jobs. I know this from direct experience because I visited Cuba.

 

[dblack]

Even in communist dictatorships jobs are not assigned. People choose from the available pool of state jobs. I know this from direct experience because I visited Cuba.

Ok, but that's just kicking the can. What if they find none of the jobs offered by the state appealing? What if they take one of those jobs, but don't work as hard as the state thinks they should?

 

[gipper]

Is that what matters to you?

Yes, understanding your whiney claim matters to me.

You fail to see the fatal flaws in a system that grants enormous wealth

Who are the 3 billionaires? How was their wealth "granted" to them?

Bezos, Musk, and Gates. Ever heard of them? They all have multiple government contracts granted them because they own the uniparty. All aren’t regulated because they own the regulators. Hence they kill any competition before it threatens them. They are granted wonderful tax advantages and credits. In fact, they often pay little to nothing in income taxes. And on and on…

 

[gipper]

That’s what losers usually say. We are free to define our own success. If you’re unhappy, that’s on you.

You’re the loser but too stupid to know it. Your support of a failed system in which you stupidly think all get a fair shot at success, makes you a dumb sucker.

 

[Mexicano]

Ok, but that's just kicking the can. What if they find none of the jobs offered by the state appealing? What if they take one of those jobs, but don't work as hard as the state thinks they should?

I guess the goal is to have a highly industrialized society where hobbies and leisure are the norm and jobs are the exception.
Some jobs will still exist: researcher, engineer, urban planner, but most of the hard work can be done by machines, just as most goods are transported by machines with minimal human intervention ( in trains and ships, trucks are another matter).
The hard part is planning the production and coupling it with innovation : you need the consumption history of every person during several years to have a good planning. And innovation is hard enough for private firms: create a prototype , produce at low scale , then scale up by replacing old machines and bringing in new production lines.

 

[dblack]

I guess the goal is ...

I guess you're just ignoring the question.

 

[Mexicano]

I guess you're just ignoring the question.

The answer depends on whether the country is industrialized ( like China ) or not ( like Cuba).
1) If it is industrialized
1a) If the state decides it doesn't want to have an idle population, you will be poor.
2a) If the state decides it is ok to have an idle population, you will probably receive free healthcare , education and some basic income.
2) If it is not industrialized, you either work or you will be poor and live from the charity and good-will of your family and neighbors, until they get tired of helping you.

 

[Orangecat]

You’re the loser but too stupid to know it. Your support of a failed system in which you stupidly think all get a fair shot at success, makes you a dumb sucker.

Simmer down, moron. No need to get all triggered.

 

[dblack]

The answer depends on whether the country is industrialized ( like China ) or not ( like Cuba).
1) If it is industrialized
1a) If the state decides it doesn't want to have an idle population, you will be poor.
2a) If the state decides it is ok to have an idle population, you will probably receive free healthcare , education and some basic income.
2) If it is not industrialized, you either work or you will be poor and live from the charity and good-will of your family and neighbors, until they get tired of helping you.

So not a lot different than now, except that instead of a multitude of employers, and the right to work for yourself, we have one corporation employing everyone, and you're not allowed to work for yourself. Does that sound right?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Bezos, Musk, and Gates. Ever heard of them? They all have multiple government contracts granted them because they own the uniparty. All aren’t regulated because they own the regulators. Hence they kill any competition before it threatens them. They are granted wonderful tax advantages and credits. In fact, they often pay little to nothing in income taxes. And on and on…

Bezos, Musk, and Gates. Ever heard of them? They all have multiple government contracts granted them because they own the uniparty.

They got the contracts before they were billionaires or after?
What percentage of their wealth were these contracts?

 

[Red Front]

I guess the goal is to have a highly industrialized society where hobbies and leisure are the norm and jobs are the exception.
Some jobs will still exist: researcher, engineer, urban planner, but most of the hard work can be done by machines, just as most goods are transported by machines with minimal human intervention ( in trains and ships, trucks are another matter).
The hard part is planning the production and coupling it with innovation : you need the consumption history of every person during several years to have a good planning. And innovation is hard enough for private firms: create a prototype , produce at low scale , then scale up by replacing old machines and bringing in new production lines.

A lot of the planning and innovation will also come from advanced AI. The current AI that we have today, is designing products and even inventing brand-new technology.

 

[Red Front]

Bezos, Musk, and Gates. Ever heard of them? They all have multiple government contracts granted them because they own the uniparty.

They got the contracts before they were billionaires or after?
What percentage of their wealth were these contracts?

Bezos got hundreds of thousands of dollars from his parents to start Google. Most people get a coffee mug from their parents and some blankets for their new apartment, not hundreds of thousands of dollars to start a business. More, without all of the government-protected patents, that allowed Bezos to corner the market and establish his monopoly, Amazon would've had to compete with many other companies. It wouldn't be the giant it is today. Much of the core technology that Bezos is using was first developed by the US government.

 

[Red Front]

So not a lot different than now, except that instead of a multitude of employers, and the right to work for yourself, we have one corporation employing everyone, and you're not allowed to work for yourself. Does that sound right?

The right to go hungry? How many workers have the resources to start a business and risk their savings? Anyways, capitalism is based on capitalists exploiting human labor like parasites, imposing their agenda without consulting with the people who do all of the work. There's no democracy in the capitalist workplace. Why would you defend that type of system of production, being that you are a champion of freedom? Aren't you a defender of liberty? You defend a system that reduces human beings to wage slaves and machinery.

 

[Red Front]

You’re the loser but too stupid to know it. Your support of a failed system in which you stupidly think all get a fair shot at success, makes you a dumb sucker.

They're brainwashed by their masters to chase the carrot, which will supposedly turn them into pompous, wealthy elite parasites as well.

 

[Mexicano]

So not a lot different than now, except that instead of a multitude of employers, and the right to work for yourself, we have one corporation employing everyone, and you're not allowed to work for yourself. Does that sound right?

Well, not one corporation strictly speaking. Each state owned enterprise has its own balance sheet and P&L statements. You could say there will be one "holding".
Personally I think the state should not monopolize all activities just those that are essential to sustain households and ensure industrial development:
a) Healthcare
b) Basic Education
c) Grain production
d) Urban planning and housing
e) Banking
f) Electricity and Energy.
g) Water management

The rest can stay in the private sector.

 

[Red Front]

Well, not one corporation strictly speaking. Each state owned enterprise has its own balance sheet and P&L statements. You could say there will be one "holding".
Personally I think the state should not monopolize all activities just those that are essential to sustain households and ensure industrial development:
a) Healthcare
b) Basic Education
c) Grain production
d) Urban planning and housing
e) Banking
f) Electricity and Energy.
g) Water management

The rest can stay in the private sector.

Until we are forced by automation and AI to adopt a resource-based economy, without markets or money. That's inevitable provided we don't get in the way of human progress to save capitalism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Bezos got hundreds of thousands of dollars from his parents to start Google. Most people get a coffee mug from their parents and some blankets for their new apartment, not hundreds of thousands of dollars to start a business. More, without all of the government-protected patents, that allowed Bezos to corner the market and establish his monopoly, Amazon would've had to compete with many other companies. It wouldn't be the giant it is today. Much of the core technology that Bezos is using was first developed by the US government.

Bezos got hundreds of thousands of dollars from his parents to start Google.

He started Google AND Amazon? Holy shit!!!

More, without all of the government-protected patents, that allowed Bezos to corner the market and establish his monopoly,

What does he have a monopoly on, any specifics?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, not one corporation strictly speaking. Each state owned enterprise has its own balance sheet and P&L statements. You could say there will be one "holding".
Personally I think the state should not monopolize all activities just those that are essential to sustain households and ensure industrial development:
a) Healthcare
b) Basic Education
c) Grain production
d) Urban planning and housing
e) Banking
f) Electricity and Energy.
g) Water management

The rest can stay in the private sector.

Did you open your state bank checking and savings account yet?

 

[Mexicano]

A lot of the planning and innovation will also come from advanced AI. The current AI that we have today, is designing products and even inventing brand-new technology.

We hope so. And we also hope governments start to embrace AI for economic projections and planning. In general economist do poorly for predicting economic outcomes.