What is the goal of capitalism?

[gipper]

If you don't have any numbers, how can you prove your claim?

You’d think all Americans would find this appalling…We live in a capitalist country where 3 billionaires hoard more wealth than the entire bottom half of the population yet folks are afraid of socialism?! You might want to start being afraid of capitalism because it’s causing record levels of inequality, homelessness, and despair.

We’re coming to the end of capitalism. This is why it’s referred to as late stage capitalism.

 

[gipper]

Your assumption is wrong. Keeping people on poverty wages, dependent on government subsidies is more expensive than employing them. Both economically and socially it's more expensive.



Infrastructure development and a host of other tasks which I've already mentioned and you conveniently ignore. The supply of needed goods and services translates into less poverty, less social instability, more peace, freedom, and better health. etc. Poverty is devastating. When people don't have enough to meet their basic needs, it creates chaos in their lives and in their environment (crime, substance abuse, incarceration, broken families, bad health). Making sure everyone has a job that allows them to meet their needs, acquire a valuable skill, and an education, stimulates economic growth. It's good for everyone.



Airlines aren't nationalized or run by the government. They can become pilots in the military or in some othe government agency. Yes indeed. With training, some of them could do that. How is that hilarious? There are many jobs they can do, I already provided a list.

Capitalists would have to compete with the government to attract and keep workers, and that's good. Higher wages for everyone. They want a desperate working class, that will accept whatever horrible terms are offered to them by their wealthy, powerful employers.

How in the world can a nation generate a national debt exceeding $31 trillion yet have large segments of it’s population suffering in or near poverty? This proves without a doubt we are living in a failed state operating under a failed system.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You’d think all Americans would find this appalling…We live in a capitalist country where 3 billionaires hoard more wealth than the entire bottom half of the population yet folks are afraid of socialism?! You might want to start being afraid of capitalism because it’s causing record levels of inequality, homelessness, and despair.

We’re coming to the end of capitalism. This is why it’s referred to as late stage capitalism.

We live in a capitalist country where 3 billionaires hoard more wealth than the entire bottom half of the population

Hoarding it? Like Scrooge McDuck?

 

[gipper]

We live in a capitalist country where 3 billionaires hoard more wealth than the entire bottom half of the population

Hoarding it? Like Scrooge McDuck?

Is that all you’ve got?

 

[Red Front]

Let me repeat. Whoever needs a job, gets a job. If ten million people need jobs, they get one.

And how much do each of these "jobs" cost?

Our country has plenty of money, to invest in people and our nation's infrastructure.

Especially when you don't care about inflation and print trillions for your fake jobs.

These jobs cost nothing in the long run, because those who work them, are producing goods and services, stimulating the economy, and allowing it to function properly, without gross inequality, abject poverty, and all of the expensive social ills that accompany it. People work and produce, build, deliver..etc, and they also spend money.

Your profits as a capitalist are unsustainable when we do it your way because blind market forces adjust to supply and demand, without caring or addressing the problem of people losing their jobs, and ruining their lives, due to the irrational, chaotic fluctuations of your beloved "free market". The "invisible hand" of your "free market" doesn't give a shit, about anyone.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

For every prospective new American Business (and there can be some) we need to cut off some foreign trade deal of equal size at the same time. There needs to be both a push and a pull to turn this economy around. If we add two new manufacturing entities in the US but add 10 new Chinese ones at the same time that just doesn't cut the mustard. We have made ourselves dependent on China and it's not a case of just cutting it off it has to be a slow and gradual pull out that doesn't tear our roots in the process. A less aggressive and more covert and subtle approach to what Trump was doing would probably be the most practical approach.

Trump was working on that problem.

 

[Red Front]

We live in a capitalist country where 3 billionaires hoard more wealth than the entire bottom half of the population

Hoarding it? Like Scrooge McDuck?

There should be an income cap of 10 million yearly and an asset cap of 100 million. No billionaires, they have too much power and undermine democracy.

• 
  Greater Economic Equality: Such caps would directly address wealth and income inequality by preventing the accumulation of extreme wealth. This would lead to a more balanced distribution of resources in society, reducing poverty and other social ills.
• Limiting Economic Power: Excessive wealth often translates into disproportionate political power and influence. By capping wealth, society could ensure a more democratic political system in which power is not overly concentrated.
• Fairness: It could be argued that no individual needs more than $10 million a year to live comfortably, so any income beyond that could be seen as excessive and could be redistributed for the benefit of society as a whole.
• Resources for Public Services: The funds collected from capping income could be used to invest in public services such as healthcare, education, and social security, improving the quality of life for all citizens.

 

[Red Front]

Is that all you’ve got?

He's a self-deluded sociopath.

 

[gipper]

There should be an income cap of 10 million yearly and an assert cap of 100 million. No billionaires, they have too much power and undermine democracy.

• 
  Greater Economic Equality: Such caps would directly address wealth and income inequality by preventing the accumulation of extreme wealth. This would lead to a more balanced distribution of resources in society, reducing poverty and other social ills.
• Limiting Economic Power: Excessive wealth often translates into disproportionate political power and influence. By capping wealth, society could ensure a more democratic political system in which power is not overly concentrated.
• Fairness: It could be argued that no individual needs more than $10 million a year to live comfortably, so any income beyond that could be seen as excessive and could be redistributed for the benefit of society as a whole.
• Resources for Public Services: The funds collected from capping income could be used to invest in public services such as healthcare, education, and social security, improving the quality of life for all citizens.

When government, media, science, and academia are for sale (as they are in our corrupt capitalist system), what could go wrong?

The distortions are massive yet few speak of them.

 

[gipper]

He's a self-deluded sociopath.

He’s stuck on Adam Smith and doesn’t recognize things have changed since the 18th century.

 

[Red Front]

He’s stuck on Adam Smith and doesn’t recognize things have changed since the 18th century.

He doesn't even agree with Adam Smith. Mr. Smith isn't Libertarian enough for Todd.

 

[dblack]

These jobs cost nothing in the long run, because those who work them, are producing goods and services ...

Why would they bother? What happens if they don't, if they aren't productive? What happens if they don't work as hard as the state thinks they should?

 

[Red Front]

Why would they bother? What happens if they don't, if they aren't productive? What happens if they don't work as hard as the state thinks they should?

There are measures employers can take to inform a worker that they're not doing their jobs correctly or not completing tasks as they should, correcting the problem. If the person is unable to do the job, another job will be found for that person. Unemployed, homeless drug addicts cost society more than those who are employed, housed, clean, and sober. Poverty, crime, incarceration, substance abuse, illnesses, lack of education, unemployment, and homelessness, all of that costs more than simply training people and employing them. Addressing their needs creates a more productive and civil society.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

These jobs cost nothing in the long run, because those who work them, are producing goods and services, stimulating the economy, and allowing it to function properly, without gross inequality, abject poverty, and all of the expensive social ills that accompany it. People work and produce, build, deliver..etc, and they also spend money.

Your profits as a capitalist are unsustainable when we do it your way because blind market forces adjust to supply and demand, without caring or addressing the problem of people losing their jobs, and ruining their lives, due to the irrational, chaotic fluctuations of your beloved "free market". The "invisible hand" of your "free market" doesn't give a shit, about anyone.

These jobs cost nothing in the long run, because those who work them, are producing goods and services, stimulating the economy, and allowing it to function properly,

Government workers, especially unskilled unemployable ones, aren't producing goods and services.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Is that all you’ve got?

Did the 3 steal it from the bottom 50%? How'd they get it?
How are they hoarding it? Where?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There are measures employers can take to inform a worker that they're not doing their jobs correctly or not completing tasks as they should, correcting the problem. If the person is unable to do the job, another job will be found for that person. Unemployed, homeless drug addicts cost society more than those who are employed, housed, clean, and sober. Poverty, crime, incarceration, substance abuse, illnesses, lack of education, unemployment, and homelessness, all of that costs more than simply training people and employing them. Addressing their needs creates a more productive and civil society.

There are measures employers can take to inform a worker that they're not doing their jobs correctly or not completing tasks as they should,

The market already did that. That's why they're unemployable.

Unemployed, homeless drug addicts cost society more than those who are employed, housed, clean, and sober. Poverty, crime, incarceration, substance abuse, illnesses, lack of education, unemployment, and homelessness, all of that costs more than simply training people and employing them.

You should start your own company to employ them. I'm sure you'll be very successful.

 

[dblack]

There are measures employers can take to inform a worker that they're not doing their jobs correctly or not completing tasks as they should, correcting the problem. If the person is unable to do the job, another job will be found for that person. Unemployed, homeless drug addicts cost society more than those who are employed, housed, clean, and sober. Poverty, crime, incarceration, substance abuse, illnesses, lack of education, unemployment, and homelessness, all of that costs more than simply training people and employing them. Addressing their needs creates a more productive and civil society.

And if they don't want to do the job the state assigns them? What then? Don't dodge. Do they still get free shit?

 

[Red Front]

There are measures employers can take to inform a worker that they're not doing their jobs correctly or not completing tasks as they should,

The market already did that. That's why they're unemployable.

Unemployed, homeless drug addicts cost society more than those who are employed, housed, clean, and sober. Poverty, crime, incarceration, substance abuse, illnesses, lack of education, unemployment, and homelessness, all of that costs more than simply training people and employing them.

You should start your own company to employ them. I'm sure you'll be very successful.

The market already did that. That's why they're unemployable.

What do you mean "the market already did that" and that's why they're supposedly unemployable? Be specific.

You should start your own company to employ them. I'm sure you'll be very successful.

The government has the resources to employ and train those who are unemployed.

 

[gipper]

Did the 3 steal it from the bottom 50%? How'd they get it?
How are they hoarding it? Where?

Is that what matters to you? You fail to see the fatal flaws in a system that grants enormous wealth to a few individuals while millions suffer. I know you don’t care about their suffering, but intelligent people do.

 

[Orangecat]

There are measures employers can take to inform a worker that they're not doing their jobs correctly or not completing tasks as they should, correcting the problem. If the person is unable to do the job, another job will be found for that person. Unemployed, homeless drug addicts cost society more than those who are employed, housed, clean, and sober. Poverty, crime, incarceration, substance abuse, illnesses, lack of education, unemployment, and homelessness, all of that costs more than simply training people and employing them. Addressing their needs creates a more productive and civil society.

Sounds like an ant hill, full of mindless insects.