What is the goal of capitalism?

[rupol2000]

Corporate control over the working fund, economic coercion. The same as communism.

 

[rupol2000]

The main lie of economists is that such forms of corporatism as capitalism and communism are different from each other. It's a lie.

Communism is really different from anarchocapitalism, Reaganomics and trickle down, but Keynesianism is a mild form of Marxism.

 

[Red Front]

Capitalism allows you to set up your manufacturing business in America. So you're welcome to reopen one of those factories.

Society shouldn't allow capitalists to do whatever they want, at the expense of working class people. Our country needs a robust manufacturing base and if capitalism can't deliver then we need to establish laws that will keep factories and jobs here at home.

 

[Red Front]

Corporate control over the working fund, economic coercion. The same as communism.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "corporate control over the working fund, economic coercion" and how that is communism?

 

[Robert W]

Society shouldn't allow capitalists to do whatever they want, at the expense of working class people. Our country needs a robust manufacturing base and if capitalism can't deliver then we need to establish laws that will keep factories and jobs here at home.

Who is Society? When Biden tried to kill off our oil firms, is he society?

 

[rupol2000]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "corporate control over the working fund, economic coercion" and how that is communism?

The proletarians have no ownership or control over the means of production, so they are forced to sell their labor power on the terms of the corporations.

 

[rupol2000]

and how that is communism?

Communism is a form of corporatism

 

[Red Front]

Who is Society? When Biden tried to kill off our oil firms, is he society?

Society is the electorate, the American people. Unfortunately, since the wealthy capitalist elites own the media and have practically all of Washington in their pockets, the status quo will continue until social unrest becomes unmanageable and the whole system collapses. Advanced automation and artificial intelligence, are going to hasten this process, by creating extreme unemployment and scarcity for most working-class Americans.

 

[Red Front]

The proletarians have no ownership or control over the means of production, so they are forced to sell their labor power on the terms of the corporations.

They're forced by necessity to rent their labor power (lives) to a capitalist eight, or ten. twelve+ hours daily. Between 1950 and the early 80s, at least 1/3rd (35%) of the American workforce was unionized. Today it's only about 6%. Without unions, there's not much leverage for the average worker, to effectively negotiate his or her terms of employment with powerful employers.

In the future, due to advanced automation and AI, wage labor will be eliminated and society will adopt a non-profit, worker-owned, and democratically run cooperative system of production.

 

[rupol2000]

hey're forced by necessity to rent their labor power (lives) to a capitalist eight, or ten. twelve+ hours daily. Between 1950 and the early 80s, at least 1/3rd (35%) of the American workforce was unionized. Today it's only about 6%. Without unions, there's not much leverage for the average worker, to effectively negotiate his or her terms of employment with powerful employers.

In the future, due to advanced automation and AI, wage labor will be eliminated and society will adopt a non-profit, worker-owned, and democratically run cooperative system of production.

All this is empty chatter. If the working class does not have the property they will be used.

By the way, trade unions in the socialist camp never worked, it was a fiction. There was nothing but names there, they did not fight corporations and did not achieve the interests of the workers.

 

[rupol2000]

In the future, due to advanced automation and AI

We have been hearing these tales for about 100 years, humanity is turning into autistic stupid cattle. A kind of religion for the illiterate masses.

If progress has been made anywhere, it is in the US, where corporate appetite controls still work.

It was in the USA that computers, AI and high technologies were developed. In a country where communists and corporations were looked at like shit.

 

[Red Front]

We have been hearing these tales for about 100 years, humanity is turning into autistic stupid cattle. A kind of religion for the illiterate masses.

If progress has been made anywhere, it is in the US, where corporate appetite controls still work.

It was in the USA that computers, AI and high technologies were developed. In a country where communists and corporations were looked at like shit.

Most of that modern technology was funded, researched, and developed by the US government, not the private sector. Even the internet, was originally ARPANET, a computer communications network created for the US Department Of Defense. It wasn't capitalism that created that technology but socialism.

Advanced automation and AI is replacing wage-labor, and when that occurs, we have no other choice but to adopt a non-profit system of production i.e. socialism.

 

[rupol2000]

Most of that modern technology was funded, researched, and developed by the US government, not the private sector. Even the internet, was originally ARPANET, a computer communications network created for the US Department Of Defense. It wasn't capitalism that created that technology but socialism.

That is, the US government, the Pentagon and Silicon Valley is "socialism"?

Technologies were developed in the context of the Monroe Doctrine, some of them were funded by the government to protect Freedom and Competition in the world. Some of the projects were from interested investors.

The communists were only capable of stealing these technologies.

 

[rupol2000]

Advanced automation and AI is replacing wage-labor, and when that occurs, we have no other choice but to adopt a non-profit system of production i.e. socialism.

Tell that to the Chinese who hand-pick iPhones for food.

 

[Red Front]

All this is empty chatter. If the working class does not have the property they will be used.

By the way, trade unions in the socialist camp never worked, it was a fiction. There was nothing but names there, they did not fight corporations and did not achieve the interests of the workers.

I'm referring to the United States, so why are you referring to other countries? In Western Europe, labor unions are much more prevalent than here in the US. In the golden age of our economy, between 1950 and the early 1980s, about 35% of the US workforce was unionized, now it's down to 6%.

Working class people, especially among our youth are waking up and not allowing capitalists to abuse and use them. They are unionizing. As I mentioned, advanced automation technology and AI, are going to free the working class from capitalism within the next twenty years or so. The demise of capitalism is inevitable due to advanced automation and AI.

 

[Red Front]

That is, the US government, the Pentagon and Silicon Valley is "socialism"?

Technologies were developed in the context of the Monroe Doctrine, some of them were funded by the government to protect Freedom and Competition in the world. Some of the projects were from interested investors.

The communists were only capable of stealing these technologies.

America stole technology from Europe in order to industrialize itself. Anyways, here in America, intelligent robots and artificial intelligence are going to eliminate wage-labor, hence capitalism is going to go the way of the dodo. Enjoy.

 

[rupol2000]

I'm referring to the United States, so why are you referring to other countries?

Communists have nothing to do with trade unions, this is the idea of anarchists and progressives. The communists never had real trade unions. Communism is slavery. Slaves have no right to fight against slave owners

In the golden age of our economy, between 1950 and the early 1980s, about 35% of the US workforce was unionized, now it's down to 6%.

There were no golden years in Europe, you just plundered third countries and continue to do so. All you were capable of was building brothels, alcoholism and violence against Ukrainian children. All your technology comes from America, in 1861 northern Europeans sat in the mud and were shameful slaves

 

[Red Front]

Tell that to the Chinese who hand-pick iPhones for food.

 

[Red Front]

Communists have nothing to do with trade unions, this is the idea of anarchists and progressives. The communists never had real trade unions. Communism is slavery. Slaves have no right to fight against slave owners

There were no golden years in Europe, you just plundered third countries and continue to do so. All you were capable of was building brothels, alcoholism and violence against Ukrainian children. All your technology comes from America, in 1861 northern Europeans sat in the mud and were shameful slaves

 

[rupol2000]

America stole technology from Europe

Including Betsy's star on the EU flag?
Don't shame yourself.
Europe still looks like a backward barracks, and in the US in the 1900s, Fords were already driving and skyscrapers pierced the sky.

I despise stupid slaves from Europe.

Only Danubian Europeans and French are worthy of respect, they came from the Free