What is the most destructive Conservative policy in the US today?

[Mac1958]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
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well the question then becomes if the vast majority are functioning fine within it, what are you advocating should be changed to help those who are not? i've never met a conservative who refused to help someone in need. never.

but i've met a lot of people who get tired of helping people who never seem to learn nor help themselves.

To steal a line from another poster a while back, you could consider it social insurance against electoral revolution.

These people vote, and the angrier they get, the bigger the eventual changes. So unless and until that right is taken away, this is the reality.
.

how many people are we talking about?

in a generic sense - people don't care about the extremes for any extended period of time. look back through history - it doesn't happen. it's how far that extreme gets before people just stop caring and move onto another topic / concern that gets to be the issue.

all that is happening is not *too* different than the late 60s. the difference is we see all these extremes every day and the groups/crowds marching in anger to where ever it is they think they need to go today. but we grew out of those times and moved onto disco unfortunately.

shudder.

are we in a dire fight for our traditional government today? maybe. but it's more to me the left trying to make everything socialism and saying "no we're not". the intentional confusion isn't helping and yes, dragging things out.

donald is dragging this out also by the way he handles it. however maybe his style was needed to stop the move to socialism. if hillary won i shudder to think what a progressive socialist agenda would bring. in that light i'm glad donald won. if his collateral damage is what it takes to keep us from going to socialism, great. his biggest accomplishment to me then.

today we're hearing of people leaving when agenda driven issues push things to politics. school students simply got up and left when others made it about gun control and political. people quite honestly can only take so much and no one is ever as passionate about the issues you are AS YOU. no one. to expect that is to be disappointed quite often.

but when we see several hundred or even thousand people marching in anger, great. what DON'T we see? we DON'T see the millions of americans in the middle simply tired of all this crap. tired of the arguing. tired of having to hate people to be cool. that is extreme and that simply does not last in time.

it can't.

os yes, i see a lot of angry people on tv and in social media. it's our fascination to share these and go LOOK HERE AT THE ANGER!!! just like it used to be fashionable to do SJW on hambre or poached lions but we don't hear people do that much these days. random events happen that yes get further apart but each time they happen, they remind of us where we are.

but look where we're going.

still not perfect these days and i do wish people on both sides would stop their personal jihad against the other side and simply listen to good ideas that is needed for the country.

we've got a rough few years ahead as the counter investigations now take place and the left screams FOUL!!! and i'm sure, obstructs "justice". but if nothing was found on trump and we see a lot of litter left behind where our own government employees may have broken the law. if it is proven, prosecute and move on.

we're living in an extreme. but i don't believe it will be the death of the country but maybe it is a growing pain into moving from a traditional white based populate to a melting pot of ideas where we all learn to use the best of the cultures to continue to create our own.

or we can kill each other for being different.

strange choices to make in life at times i suppose.

and i said "emotional insurance" not social.

I guess my answer to your question, "how many people are we talking about?", I'd say quite a few. And then there are all those who support them, who think that the fact that these people don't function as well in a capitalist society shouldn't consign them to being left behind. How does that add up electorally?

If there's enough people in that category, their vote could completely change the direction of the country. So I guess the next question might be, is it really worth it to go for all or nothing, or is buying some insurance against it a better idea? I'd vote for the latter. I really don't see the point of all or nothing.
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[Blues Man]

The conservative view of....I got mine, screw everyone else

Not unlike the liberal view that you worked harder than me and have more now give it to me

 

[Norman]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
.

Open borders is without a doubt, the worst policy they have enacted. Being completely without balls is a other fault. These are not men, they are clowns. Oh well, at least they are not openly evil like the left.

I also want to respond to your criticism. First of all, what you are describing is not a policy, but a mindset. I can't read the minds of conservatives, but I have high doubts that they hold that mindset. The republican mindset is that the people should help themselves, but of course not all people can do that.

As far as the left behind people go, sure we can take care of them. The provision is that their numbers don't increase every year, in which case no force in the world can solve the issue. Since politics are put before facts, the discussion is fruitless, no party gives a shit about these people in other way than to advance their own agenda. Democrats want more of them to the point of destroying the entire system, and republicans... well who cares they don't get anything done anyway.

TL;DR Never strive to be a victim, you might just get what you ask for.

 

[Moonglow]

What annoys me the most is how they lie about being for smaller less intrusive govt. yet keep the police state to execute the drug war which is oppressive and they want to drug test everyone including children at school.

 

[Blues Man]

What annoys me the most is how they lie about being for smaller less intrusive govt. yet keep the police state to execute the drug war which is oppressive and they want to drug test everyone including children at school.

The republicans are a big government party and always have been.

 

[BluesLegend]

The worst conservative policy...absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel. Any thoughts?

Government is run by a bunch of stupid corrupt morons, we don't need more of that.

 

[iceberg]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
.

well the question then becomes if the vast majority are functioning fine within it, what are you advocating should be changed to help those who are not? i've never met a conservative who refused to help someone in need. never.

but i've met a lot of people who get tired of helping people who never seem to learn nor help themselves.

To steal a line from another poster a while back, you could consider it social insurance against electoral revolution.

These people vote, and the angrier they get, the bigger the eventual changes. So unless and until that right is taken away, this is the reality.
.

how many people are we talking about?

in a generic sense - people don't care about the extremes for any extended period of time. look back through history - it doesn't happen. it's how far that extreme gets before people just stop caring and move onto another topic / concern that gets to be the issue.

all that is happening is not *too* different than the late 60s. the difference is we see all these extremes every day and the groups/crowds marching in anger to where ever it is they think they need to go today. but we grew out of those times and moved onto disco unfortunately.

shudder.

are we in a dire fight for our traditional government today? maybe. but it's more to me the left trying to make everything socialism and saying "no we're not". the intentional confusion isn't helping and yes, dragging things out.

donald is dragging this out also by the way he handles it. however maybe his style was needed to stop the move to socialism. if hillary won i shudder to think what a progressive socialist agenda would bring. in that light i'm glad donald won. if his collateral damage is what it takes to keep us from going to socialism, great. his biggest accomplishment to me then.

today we're hearing of people leaving when agenda driven issues push things to politics. school students simply got up and left when others made it about gun control and political. people quite honestly can only take so much and no one is ever as passionate about the issues you are AS YOU. no one. to expect that is to be disappointed quite often.

but when we see several hundred or even thousand people marching in anger, great. what DON'T we see? we DON'T see the millions of americans in the middle simply tired of all this crap. tired of the arguing. tired of having to hate people to be cool. that is extreme and that simply does not last in time.

it can't.

os yes, i see a lot of angry people on tv and in social media. it's our fascination to share these and go LOOK HERE AT THE ANGER!!! just like it used to be fashionable to do SJW on hambre or poached lions but we don't hear people do that much these days. random events happen that yes get further apart but each time they happen, they remind of us where we are.

but look where we're going.

still not perfect these days and i do wish people on both sides would stop their personal jihad against the other side and simply listen to good ideas that is needed for the country.

we've got a rough few years ahead as the counter investigations now take place and the left screams FOUL!!! and i'm sure, obstructs "justice". but if nothing was found on trump and we see a lot of litter left behind where our own government employees may have broken the law. if it is proven, prosecute and move on.

we're living in an extreme. but i don't believe it will be the death of the country but maybe it is a growing pain into moving from a traditional white based populate to a melting pot of ideas where we all learn to use the best of the cultures to continue to create our own.

or we can kill each other for being different.

strange choices to make in life at times i suppose.

and i said "emotional insurance" not social.

I guess my answer to your question, "how many people are we talking about?", I'd say quite a few. And then there are all those who support them, who think that the fact that these people don't function as well in a capitalist society shouldn't consign them to being left behind. How does that add up electorally?

If there's enough people in that category, their vote could completely change the direction of the country. So I guess the next question might be, is it really worth it to go for all or nothing, or is buying some insurance against it a better idea? I'd vote for the latter. I really don't see the point of all or nothing.
.

well i don't function in a socialist one - so now what?

people born here have not known "socialism". people who come here, well they know where they're going i suppose. if you want that type of gov move to a country that has it.

as for feeling lost in life or like we don't belong somewhere, welcome to being human.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The worst conservative policy...absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel. Any thoughts?

Government is run by a bunch of stupid corrupt morons, we don't need more of that.

...but enough about the Democrats!

 

[Mac1958]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
.

well the question then becomes if the vast majority are functioning fine within it, what are you advocating should be changed to help those who are not? i've never met a conservative who refused to help someone in need. never.

but i've met a lot of people who get tired of helping people who never seem to learn nor help themselves.

To steal a line from another poster a while back, you could consider it social insurance against electoral revolution.

These people vote, and the angrier they get, the bigger the eventual changes. So unless and until that right is taken away, this is the reality.
.

how many people are we talking about?

in a generic sense - people don't care about the extremes for any extended period of time. look back through history - it doesn't happen. it's how far that extreme gets before people just stop caring and move onto another topic / concern that gets to be the issue.

all that is happening is not *too* different than the late 60s. the difference is we see all these extremes every day and the groups/crowds marching in anger to where ever it is they think they need to go today. but we grew out of those times and moved onto disco unfortunately.

shudder.

are we in a dire fight for our traditional government today? maybe. but it's more to me the left trying to make everything socialism and saying "no we're not". the intentional confusion isn't helping and yes, dragging things out.

donald is dragging this out also by the way he handles it. however maybe his style was needed to stop the move to socialism. if hillary won i shudder to think what a progressive socialist agenda would bring. in that light i'm glad donald won. if his collateral damage is what it takes to keep us from going to socialism, great. his biggest accomplishment to me then.

today we're hearing of people leaving when agenda driven issues push things to politics. school students simply got up and left when others made it about gun control and political. people quite honestly can only take so much and no one is ever as passionate about the issues you are AS YOU. no one. to expect that is to be disappointed quite often.

but when we see several hundred or even thousand people marching in anger, great. what DON'T we see? we DON'T see the millions of americans in the middle simply tired of all this crap. tired of the arguing. tired of having to hate people to be cool. that is extreme and that simply does not last in time.

it can't.

os yes, i see a lot of angry people on tv and in social media. it's our fascination to share these and go LOOK HERE AT THE ANGER!!! just like it used to be fashionable to do SJW on hambre or poached lions but we don't hear people do that much these days. random events happen that yes get further apart but each time they happen, they remind of us where we are.

but look where we're going.

still not perfect these days and i do wish people on both sides would stop their personal jihad against the other side and simply listen to good ideas that is needed for the country.

we've got a rough few years ahead as the counter investigations now take place and the left screams FOUL!!! and i'm sure, obstructs "justice". but if nothing was found on trump and we see a lot of litter left behind where our own government employees may have broken the law. if it is proven, prosecute and move on.

we're living in an extreme. but i don't believe it will be the death of the country but maybe it is a growing pain into moving from a traditional white based populate to a melting pot of ideas where we all learn to use the best of the cultures to continue to create our own.

or we can kill each other for being different.

strange choices to make in life at times i suppose.

and i said "emotional insurance" not social.

I guess my answer to your question, "how many people are we talking about?", I'd say quite a few. And then there are all those who support them, who think that the fact that these people don't function as well in a capitalist society shouldn't consign them to being left behind. How does that add up electorally?

If there's enough people in that category, their vote could completely change the direction of the country. So I guess the next question might be, is it really worth it to go for all or nothing, or is buying some insurance against it a better idea? I'd vote for the latter. I really don't see the point of all or nothing.
.

well i don't function in a socialist one - so now what?

people born here have not known "socialism". people who come here, well they know where they're going i suppose. if you want that type of gov move to a country that has it.

as for feeling lost in life or like we don't belong somewhere, welcome to being human.

This all exists along a continuum. We're not one or the other. The point is finding the most agreeable place on the continuum as possible.

If this is going to be all or nothing, that's fine, it just doesn't HAVE to be.
.

 

[Oddball]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
.

For me, it's not a specific policy but the overall myth that they're significantly different from the democrats, whom they claim to oppose.

Forget how they talk and campaign, look at how they act.

The best example in somewhat recent history was in the aftermath of 9/11™...The first knee-jerk reaction was to vastly expand the reach and growth of The State; an action that they would decry as foolish, wasteful, and unnecessary in virtually any other context.....Yet there they were, creating an entirely new cabinet-level bureaucracy (DHS), enacting the Orwellian-ly dubbed "Patriot Act", expanding the powers of the domestic police state to absurd levels (FISA), creating a defacto national ID (Real ID), and turning the airports into operations that are nearly indistinguishable from the intake sections at the local jail with the TSA.

Their cynical bluster to the contrary notwithstanding, the GOP simply loves them some big gubmint.

 

[iceberg]

well the question then becomes if the vast majority are functioning fine within it, what are you advocating should be changed to help those who are not? i've never met a conservative who refused to help someone in need. never.

but i've met a lot of people who get tired of helping people who never seem to learn nor help themselves.

To steal a line from another poster a while back, you could consider it social insurance against electoral revolution.

These people vote, and the angrier they get, the bigger the eventual changes. So unless and until that right is taken away, this is the reality.
.

how many people are we talking about?

in a generic sense - people don't care about the extremes for any extended period of time. look back through history - it doesn't happen. it's how far that extreme gets before people just stop caring and move onto another topic / concern that gets to be the issue.

all that is happening is not *too* different than the late 60s. the difference is we see all these extremes every day and the groups/crowds marching in anger to where ever it is they think they need to go today. but we grew out of those times and moved onto disco unfortunately.

shudder.

are we in a dire fight for our traditional government today? maybe. but it's more to me the left trying to make everything socialism and saying "no we're not". the intentional confusion isn't helping and yes, dragging things out.

donald is dragging this out also by the way he handles it. however maybe his style was needed to stop the move to socialism. if hillary won i shudder to think what a progressive socialist agenda would bring. in that light i'm glad donald won. if his collateral damage is what it takes to keep us from going to socialism, great. his biggest accomplishment to me then.

today we're hearing of people leaving when agenda driven issues push things to politics. school students simply got up and left when others made it about gun control and political. people quite honestly can only take so much and no one is ever as passionate about the issues you are AS YOU. no one. to expect that is to be disappointed quite often.

but when we see several hundred or even thousand people marching in anger, great. what DON'T we see? we DON'T see the millions of americans in the middle simply tired of all this crap. tired of the arguing. tired of having to hate people to be cool. that is extreme and that simply does not last in time.

it can't.

os yes, i see a lot of angry people on tv and in social media. it's our fascination to share these and go LOOK HERE AT THE ANGER!!! just like it used to be fashionable to do SJW on hambre or poached lions but we don't hear people do that much these days. random events happen that yes get further apart but each time they happen, they remind of us where we are.

but look where we're going.

still not perfect these days and i do wish people on both sides would stop their personal jihad against the other side and simply listen to good ideas that is needed for the country.

we've got a rough few years ahead as the counter investigations now take place and the left screams FOUL!!! and i'm sure, obstructs "justice". but if nothing was found on trump and we see a lot of litter left behind where our own government employees may have broken the law. if it is proven, prosecute and move on.

we're living in an extreme. but i don't believe it will be the death of the country but maybe it is a growing pain into moving from a traditional white based populate to a melting pot of ideas where we all learn to use the best of the cultures to continue to create our own.

or we can kill each other for being different.

strange choices to make in life at times i suppose.

and i said "emotional insurance" not social.

I guess my answer to your question, "how many people are we talking about?", I'd say quite a few. And then there are all those who support them, who think that the fact that these people don't function as well in a capitalist society shouldn't consign them to being left behind. How does that add up electorally?

If there's enough people in that category, their vote could completely change the direction of the country. So I guess the next question might be, is it really worth it to go for all or nothing, or is buying some insurance against it a better idea? I'd vote for the latter. I really don't see the point of all or nothing.
.

well i don't function in a socialist one - so now what?

people born here have not known "socialism". people who come here, well they know where they're going i suppose. if you want that type of gov move to a country that has it.

as for feeling lost in life or like we don't belong somewhere, welcome to being human.

This all exists along a continuum. We're not one or the other. The point is finding the most agreeable place on the continuum as possible.

If this is going to be all or nothing, that's fine, it just doesn't HAVE to be.
.

the bigger point is not everyone will be happy at any given time.

law of diminishing returns.

i'll agree it doesn't have to be but i don't see the left being reasonable any time soon. yes this is generic in nature and yes, points to the left. but they're the ones who demanded an investigation and are now refuting it cause it didn't give them what they want. instead. it uncovered a loto f missteps along the way that will come back to them.

or at least should.

 

[Mac1958]

To steal a line from another poster a while back, you could consider it social insurance against electoral revolution.

These people vote, and the angrier they get, the bigger the eventual changes. So unless and until that right is taken away, this is the reality.
.

how many people are we talking about?

in a generic sense - people don't care about the extremes for any extended period of time. look back through history - it doesn't happen. it's how far that extreme gets before people just stop caring and move onto another topic / concern that gets to be the issue.

all that is happening is not *too* different than the late 60s. the difference is we see all these extremes every day and the groups/crowds marching in anger to where ever it is they think they need to go today. but we grew out of those times and moved onto disco unfortunately.

shudder.

are we in a dire fight for our traditional government today? maybe. but it's more to me the left trying to make everything socialism and saying "no we're not". the intentional confusion isn't helping and yes, dragging things out.

donald is dragging this out also by the way he handles it. however maybe his style was needed to stop the move to socialism. if hillary won i shudder to think what a progressive socialist agenda would bring. in that light i'm glad donald won. if his collateral damage is what it takes to keep us from going to socialism, great. his biggest accomplishment to me then.

today we're hearing of people leaving when agenda driven issues push things to politics. school students simply got up and left when others made it about gun control and political. people quite honestly can only take so much and no one is ever as passionate about the issues you are AS YOU. no one. to expect that is to be disappointed quite often.

but when we see several hundred or even thousand people marching in anger, great. what DON'T we see? we DON'T see the millions of americans in the middle simply tired of all this crap. tired of the arguing. tired of having to hate people to be cool. that is extreme and that simply does not last in time.

it can't.

os yes, i see a lot of angry people on tv and in social media. it's our fascination to share these and go LOOK HERE AT THE ANGER!!! just like it used to be fashionable to do SJW on hambre or poached lions but we don't hear people do that much these days. random events happen that yes get further apart but each time they happen, they remind of us where we are.

but look where we're going.

still not perfect these days and i do wish people on both sides would stop their personal jihad against the other side and simply listen to good ideas that is needed for the country.

we've got a rough few years ahead as the counter investigations now take place and the left screams FOUL!!! and i'm sure, obstructs "justice". but if nothing was found on trump and we see a lot of litter left behind where our own government employees may have broken the law. if it is proven, prosecute and move on.

we're living in an extreme. but i don't believe it will be the death of the country but maybe it is a growing pain into moving from a traditional white based populate to a melting pot of ideas where we all learn to use the best of the cultures to continue to create our own.

or we can kill each other for being different.

strange choices to make in life at times i suppose.

and i said "emotional insurance" not social.

I guess my answer to your question, "how many people are we talking about?", I'd say quite a few. And then there are all those who support them, who think that the fact that these people don't function as well in a capitalist society shouldn't consign them to being left behind. How does that add up electorally?

If there's enough people in that category, their vote could completely change the direction of the country. So I guess the next question might be, is it really worth it to go for all or nothing, or is buying some insurance against it a better idea? I'd vote for the latter. I really don't see the point of all or nothing.
.

well i don't function in a socialist one - so now what?

people born here have not known "socialism". people who come here, well they know where they're going i suppose. if you want that type of gov move to a country that has it.

as for feeling lost in life or like we don't belong somewhere, welcome to being human.

This all exists along a continuum. We're not one or the other. The point is finding the most agreeable place on the continuum as possible.

If this is going to be all or nothing, that's fine, it just doesn't HAVE to be.
.

the bigger point is not everyone will be happy at any given time.

law of diminishing returns.

i'll agree it doesn't have to be but i don't see the left being reasonable any time soon. yes this is generic in nature and yes, points to the left. but they're the ones who demanded an investigation and are now refuting it cause it didn't give them what they want. instead. it uncovered a loto f missteps along the way that will come back to them.

or at least should.

Well, anyone who looks to the government to provide happiness is clearly barking up the wrong tree.

I do think, though, that some of this is attached to ego and tribalism. We're afraid to give an inch.
.

 

[iceberg]

how many people are we talking about?

in a generic sense - people don't care about the extremes for any extended period of time. look back through history - it doesn't happen. it's how far that extreme gets before people just stop caring and move onto another topic / concern that gets to be the issue.

all that is happening is not *too* different than the late 60s. the difference is we see all these extremes every day and the groups/crowds marching in anger to where ever it is they think they need to go today. but we grew out of those times and moved onto disco unfortunately.

shudder.

are we in a dire fight for our traditional government today? maybe. but it's more to me the left trying to make everything socialism and saying "no we're not". the intentional confusion isn't helping and yes, dragging things out.

donald is dragging this out also by the way he handles it. however maybe his style was needed to stop the move to socialism. if hillary won i shudder to think what a progressive socialist agenda would bring. in that light i'm glad donald won. if his collateral damage is what it takes to keep us from going to socialism, great. his biggest accomplishment to me then.

today we're hearing of people leaving when agenda driven issues push things to politics. school students simply got up and left when others made it about gun control and political. people quite honestly can only take so much and no one is ever as passionate about the issues you are AS YOU. no one. to expect that is to be disappointed quite often.

but when we see several hundred or even thousand people marching in anger, great. what DON'T we see? we DON'T see the millions of americans in the middle simply tired of all this crap. tired of the arguing. tired of having to hate people to be cool. that is extreme and that simply does not last in time.

it can't.

os yes, i see a lot of angry people on tv and in social media. it's our fascination to share these and go LOOK HERE AT THE ANGER!!! just like it used to be fashionable to do SJW on hambre or poached lions but we don't hear people do that much these days. random events happen that yes get further apart but each time they happen, they remind of us where we are.

but look where we're going.

still not perfect these days and i do wish people on both sides would stop their personal jihad against the other side and simply listen to good ideas that is needed for the country.

we've got a rough few years ahead as the counter investigations now take place and the left screams FOUL!!! and i'm sure, obstructs "justice". but if nothing was found on trump and we see a lot of litter left behind where our own government employees may have broken the law. if it is proven, prosecute and move on.

we're living in an extreme. but i don't believe it will be the death of the country but maybe it is a growing pain into moving from a traditional white based populate to a melting pot of ideas where we all learn to use the best of the cultures to continue to create our own.

or we can kill each other for being different.

strange choices to make in life at times i suppose.

and i said "emotional insurance" not social.

I guess my answer to your question, "how many people are we talking about?", I'd say quite a few. And then there are all those who support them, who think that the fact that these people don't function as well in a capitalist society shouldn't consign them to being left behind. How does that add up electorally?

If there's enough people in that category, their vote could completely change the direction of the country. So I guess the next question might be, is it really worth it to go for all or nothing, or is buying some insurance against it a better idea? I'd vote for the latter. I really don't see the point of all or nothing.
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well i don't function in a socialist one - so now what?

people born here have not known "socialism". people who come here, well they know where they're going i suppose. if you want that type of gov move to a country that has it.

as for feeling lost in life or like we don't belong somewhere, welcome to being human.

This all exists along a continuum. We're not one or the other. The point is finding the most agreeable place on the continuum as possible.

If this is going to be all or nothing, that's fine, it just doesn't HAVE to be.
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the bigger point is not everyone will be happy at any given time.

law of diminishing returns.

i'll agree it doesn't have to be but i don't see the left being reasonable any time soon. yes this is generic in nature and yes, points to the left. but they're the ones who demanded an investigation and are now refuting it cause it didn't give them what they want. instead. it uncovered a loto f missteps along the way that will come back to them.

or at least should.

Well, anyone who looks to the government to provide happiness is clearly barking up the wrong tree.

I do think, though, that some of this is attached to ego and tribalism. We're afraid to give an inch.
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yep. its as if both sides are afraid to admit they're wrong on 1 point, it will mean they're wrong on everything.

this is the shit you do and go through when you make everything an extreme.

 

[BluesLegend]

The worst conservative policy...absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel. Any thoughts?

Government is run by a bunch of stupid corrupt morons, we don't need more of that.

...but enough about the Democrats!

To be fair I have issue with countless Republicans also.

 

[dblack]

Mocking and calling people names doesn't change hearts & minds. The Left learned that with the election of Trump.

Wait. Strike that. They SHOULD have learned. Obviously they didn't.

Exactly.

 

[BluesLegend]

Well, anyone who looks to the government to provide happiness is clearly barking up the wrong tree.

I do think, though, that some of this is attached to ego and tribalism. We're afraid to give an inch.
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Because if you give these morons in government an inch they take a mile. Thank God for our Constitution and some limits on their power.

 

[Oddball]

Well, anyone who looks to the government to provide happiness is clearly barking up the wrong tree.

I do think, though, that some of this is attached to ego and tribalism. We're afraid to give an inch.
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Because if you give these morons in government an inch they take a mile. Thank God for our Constitution and some limits on their power.

The Constitution has been a dead letter since Woodrow Wilson...Most people can't even tell you the five protected freedoms in the 1st Amendment, let alone delve into the concept of limited powers.

 

[dblack]

If by "conservative", we're referring to the policies of the Republican party, my complaint is essentially the same as my principal complaint with the Democrats. Each seems more than willing to ignore Constitutional limits on government. And they do so blithely, with no recognition that the extra power they're granting government will be available for future governments to abuse.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“What is the most destructive Conservative policy in the US today?”

There are so many it’s impossible to decide.

The right’s unwarranted opposition to the fact of climate change coupled with conservatives’ efforts to gut environmental regulation would be in the top five.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The worst conservative policy...absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel. Any thoughts?

Government is run by a bunch of stupid corrupt morons, we don't need more of that.

...but enough about the Democrats!

To be fair I have issue with countless Republicans also.

As do I, but the number is not 100% like it is with Democrats!

I am praying for an upset in our Republican primary to get rid of a mistake we put in office thinking he would be a good governor, but has proven that he is worse than almost every other Democrat who held the office.