What is the most destructive Conservative policy in the US today?

[depotoo]

Neo-con is very subjective. It’s meaning warps through time.

One of the biggest lies ever told is money buys happiness. Happiness comes from within. The second is government can cure ones woes.
Third biggest lie is conservatives don’t want to help those that truly can’t help themselves.

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
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Are we talking Conservatives or neo-Cons?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

One of the biggest lies ever told is money buys happiness. Happiness comes from within.

While money does not buy happiness, it sure does help.

I have been dirt poor to where all we had to eat for dinner was popcorn, I have laid in bed at night wondering how I was going to make it to work the next day since I was just about out of gas and did not get paid for 4 days. I do not look back on those times with happiness, other than to be happy I no longer have to live that life.

 

[Indeependent]

Neo-con is very subjective. It’s meaning warps through time.

One of the biggest lies ever told is money buys happiness. Happiness comes from within. The second is government can cure ones woes.
Third biggest lie is conservatives don’t want to help those that truly can’t help themselves.

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
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Are we talking Conservatives or neo-Cons?

The few neo-Cons I have even spoken to suffer from greed and avarice with no regard to anyone else, oftentimes including family members.

 

[Indeependent]

One of the biggest lies ever told is money buys happiness. Happiness comes from within.

While money does not buy happiness, it sure does help.

I have been dirt poor to where all we had to eat for dinner was popcorn, I have laid in bed at night wondering how I was going to make it to work the next day since I was just about out of gas and did not get paid for 4 days. I do not look back on those times with happiness, other than to be happy I no longer have to live that life.

Was it due to legislation gleefully passed by self-serving politicians or was it an unavoidable circumstance?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yes, yes, we’re all familiar with Accounting “Rules”, which are artificially intended to cover up spending money one does not have.
I’m talking reality.

I am talking reality as well. If my debt gets smaller each month, then I am not engaged in deficit spending. Why is this such a hard concept for you?

You must have a shit ton of debt if you think the only way to live is via spending more money than you make, perhaps that is also why you are so bitter.

Zero debt (thankfully).
When I bought my house, I created debt.
When many kids go to college, they create debt.
Few businesses are not in a debt cycle.

Accounting “Laws” are artificial concepts meant to create the illusion of success.

yet you seem to think it is impossible to function without deficit spending. Why is that?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
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Perhaps the greatest failure of the American Political Right, a fatal flame-out spanning seven plus decades, is/was its collective nonchalance in believing it could fight back the tide of the Leftist culture war with minimal effort i.e. its belief that the American People would inherently choose to do the right thing, and perhaps its assumption the ideological domination of nearly every last institute of higher learning by Marxist/ postmodernist inspired philosophies wasn't so big of a deal. The problem: at our psychological core we all are little more than children who when offered the chance to defy our parents without repercussion or serious punishment will almost always do just that. Thus the deception of radical Leftism which tempts our populace with such opportunities of defiance of ancient tradition has made countless miles of cultural change inroads without much resistance from any level or sector of our civilization.

If Marx is correct, unbridled Capitalism will lead to Communism.

Marx is not correct.

Marx is correct in regards to most nations.
South of the Border as a prime example.

fraud, corruption, and theft =/= capitalism

 

[Harpy Eagle]

One of the biggest lies ever told is money buys happiness. Happiness comes from within.

While money does not buy happiness, it sure does help.

I have been dirt poor to where all we had to eat for dinner was popcorn, I have laid in bed at night wondering how I was going to make it to work the next day since I was just about out of gas and did not get paid for 4 days. I do not look back on those times with happiness, other than to be happy I no longer have to live that life.

Was it due to legislation gleefully passed by self-serving politicians or was it an unavoidable circumstance?

It was due to poor life choices.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
.

Perhaps the greatest failure of the American Political Right, a fatal flame-out spanning seven plus decades, is/was its collective nonchalance in believing it could fight back the tide of the Leftist culture war with minimal effort i.e. its belief that the American People would inherently choose to do the right thing, and perhaps its assumption the ideological domination of nearly every last institute of higher learning by Marxist/ postmodernist inspired philosophies wasn't so big of a deal. The problem: at our psychological core we all are little more than children who when offered the chance to defy our parents without repercussion or serious punishment will almost always do just that. Thus the deception of radical Leftism which tempts our populace with such opportunities of defiance of ancient tradition has made countless miles of cultural change inroads without much resistance from any level or sector of our civilization.

If Marx is correct, unbridled Capitalism will lead to Communism.

Marx is not correct.

Marx is correct in regards to most nations.
South of the Border as a prime example.

fraud, corruption, and theft =/= capitalism

Fraud and corruption are a part of capitalism, as they are a part of humanity. The only goal of capitalism is to make money, everything else is secondary in true capitalism

 

[Indeependent]

Yes, yes, we’re all familiar with Accounting “Rules”, which are artificially intended to cover up spending money one does not have.
I’m talking reality.

I am talking reality as well. If my debt gets smaller each month, then I am not engaged in deficit spending. Why is this such a hard concept for you?

You must have a shit ton of debt if you think the only way to live is via spending more money than you make, perhaps that is also why you are so bitter.

Zero debt (thankfully).
When I bought my house, I created debt.
When many kids go to college, they create debt.
Few businesses are not in a debt cycle.

Accounting “Laws” are artificial concepts meant to create the illusion of success.

yet you seem to think it is impossible to function without deficit spending. Why is that?

I never had a deficit until I bought a house.
I have never met anyone who opened for business, sans wealthy parents or relatives, without a deficit.

 

[Indeependent]

One of the biggest lies ever told is money buys happiness. Happiness comes from within.

While money does not buy happiness, it sure does help.

I have been dirt poor to where all we had to eat for dinner was popcorn, I have laid in bed at night wondering how I was going to make it to work the next day since I was just about out of gas and did not get paid for 4 days. I do not look back on those times with happiness, other than to be happy I no longer have to live that life.

Was it due to legislation gleefully passed by self-serving politicians or was it an unavoidable circumstance?

It was due to poor life choices.

Which are thankfully behind you.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I never had a deficit until I bought a house.
I have never met anyone who opened for business, sans wealthy parents or relatives, without a deficit.

I think you mistake deficit for debt. One can have debt and that debt can be decreasing, thus they are not engaging in deficit spending. Same concept for individuals when we buy a car or a house.

 

[Indeependent]

I never had a deficit until I bought a house.
I have never met anyone who opened for business, sans wealthy parents or relatives, without a deficit.

I think you mistake deficit for debt. One can have debt and that debt can be decreasing, thus they are not engaging in deficit spending. Same concept for individuals when we buy a car or a house.

One can have debt without having a deficit.
When I state deficit I mean lack of funds to eliminate the debt.

 

[depotoo]

Geeesh, all of you claiming capitalism is inherently evil, when it has brought more people out of incessant poverty than any other economic system, are focusing on the few bad apples, rather than the whole. Those bad apples exist in any system, and there are less in capitalism than any other system.

 

[Indeependent]

Geeesh, all of you claiming capitalism is inherently evil, when it has brought more people out of incessant poverty than any other economic system, are focusing on the few bad apples, rather than the whole. Those bad apples exist in any system, and there are less in capitalism than any other system.

Bridled Capitalism works pretty well.

 

[Crepitus]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
.

Their complete and total disregard for law and constitutionality when it suites their agenda.

Not true; both parties pass laws to carry their agendas.
It’s not possible to keep up with the thousands of pages of legislation they vote on.

Never said both parties didn't do it, but don't try to explain it away as "too much to keep track of".

 

[iceberg]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
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well the question then becomes if the vast majority are functioning fine within it, what are you advocating should be changed to help those who are not? i've never met a conservative who refused to help someone in need. never.

but i've met a lot of people who get tired of helping people who never seem to learn nor help themselves.

To steal a line from another poster a while back, you could consider it social insurance against electoral revolution.

These people vote, and the angrier they get, the bigger the eventual changes. So unless and until that right is taken away, this is the reality.
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how many people are we talking about?

in a generic sense - people don't care about the extremes for any extended period of time. look back through history - it doesn't happen. it's how far that extreme gets before people just stop caring and move onto another topic / concern that gets to be the issue.

all that is happening is not *too* different than the late 60s. the difference is we see all these extremes every day and the groups/crowds marching in anger to where ever it is they think they need to go today. but we grew out of those times and moved onto disco unfortunately.

shudder.

are we in a dire fight for our traditional government today? maybe. but it's more to me the left trying to make everything socialism and saying "no we're not". the intentional confusion isn't helping and yes, dragging things out.

donald is dragging this out also by the way he handles it. however maybe his style was needed to stop the move to socialism. if hillary won i shudder to think what a progressive socialist agenda would bring. in that light i'm glad donald won. if his collateral damage is what it takes to keep us from going to socialism, great. his biggest accomplishment to me then.

today we're hearing of people leaving when agenda driven issues push things to politics. school students simply got up and left when others made it about gun control and political. people quite honestly can only take so much and no one is ever as passionate about the issues you are AS YOU. no one. to expect that is to be disappointed quite often.

but when we see several hundred or even thousand people marching in anger, great. what DON'T we see? we DON'T see the millions of americans in the middle simply tired of all this crap. tired of the arguing. tired of having to hate people to be cool. that is extreme and that simply does not last in time.

it can't.

os yes, i see a lot of angry people on tv and in social media. it's our fascination to share these and go LOOK HERE AT THE ANGER!!! just like it used to be fashionable to do SJW on hambre or poached lions but we don't hear people do that much these days. random events happen that yes get further apart but each time they happen, they remind of us where we are.

but look where we're going.

still not perfect these days and i do wish people on both sides would stop their personal jihad against the other side and simply listen to good ideas that is needed for the country.

we've got a rough few years ahead as the counter investigations now take place and the left screams FOUL!!! and i'm sure, obstructs "justice". but if nothing was found on trump and we see a lot of litter left behind where our own government employees may have broken the law. if it is proven, prosecute and move on.

we're living in an extreme. but i don't believe it will be the death of the country but maybe it is a growing pain into moving from a traditional white based populate to a melting pot of ideas where we all learn to use the best of the cultures to continue to create our own.

or we can kill each other for being different.

strange choices to make in life at times i suppose.

and i said "emotional insurance" not social.

 

[depotoo]

Geeesh, all of you claiming capitalism is inherently evil, when it has brought more people out of incessant poverty than any other economic system, are focusing on the few bad apples, rather than the whole. Those bad apples exist in any system, and there are less in capitalism than any other system.

Bridled Capitalism works pretty well.

What is the actual definition of bridled caplitalism?
When has the government been morally upright? Government works for its own benefit, under the guise of being morally upright. And that is how they suck you in.

 

[Indeependent]

Geeesh, all of you claiming capitalism is inherently evil, when it has brought more people out of incessant poverty than any other economic system, are focusing on the few bad apples, rather than the whole. Those bad apples exist in any system, and there are less in capitalism than any other system.

Bridled Capitalism works pretty well.

What is the actual definition of bridled caplitalism?
When has the government been morally upright? Government works for its own benefit, under the guise of being morally upright. And that is how they suck you in.

Not the way GW led the nation.

 

[depotoo]

Reacting through emotion rather than through pragmatic solutions.
Some things he did right, others not so much.

Geeesh, all of you claiming capitalism is inherently evil, when it has brought more people out of incessant poverty than any other economic system, are focusing on the few bad apples, rather than the whole. Those bad apples exist in any system, and there are less in capitalism than any other system.

Bridled Capitalism works pretty well.

What is the actual definition of bridled caplitalism?
When has the government been morally upright? Government works for its own benefit, under the guise of being morally upright. And that is how they suck you in.

Not the way GW led the nation.

 

[Oddball]

Any thoughts?

The military industrial complex.

~S~

Both teams feed and profit from that beast.