What is White Supremacy?

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Whites were killing each other in Europe. STFU protectionist.

Unrelated information, Mr Deflection.

No, it's related. Why travel the ocean blue to kill strangers when Europeans were having so much fun killing their neighbors?

1.They didn't kill strangers except in self-defense. Most Indians never laid eyes on a white person. Most interracial relations were peaceful, including thousands of Indian-white marriages.


2. The arrival of Europeans was the best thing that ever happened to American Indians. Go ask them if they would like to give up living in buildings with indoor plumbing, electricity, heat and AC, TV, stereos, computers, etc, and go back to living like their stone age ancestors.

ROTFLMFAO! That may be a contender for the most stupid post of the month!

Well..maybe I should ask the literal millions of native Americans that died due to the diseases that the Europeans brought with them?

Deaths Caused by Diseases Among the Native Americans in the 18th Century | Synonym

"European explorers to the Americas between the 15th and 19th centuries brought several diseases with them that proved deadly to the native population. Diseases such as smallpox, influenza and measles killed approximately 90 percent of the Native American population. The indigenous people did not have any previous exposure to these deadly diseases, and had no natural immunity. Sometimes the illnesses spread after direct contact with European settlers, often resulting in deadly outbreaks that decimated entire villages.


Why Native Americans Didn't Wipe Out Europeans With Diseases

"While estimates vary, approximately 20-50 million people are believed to have lived in the Americas shortly before Europeans arrived. Around 95% of them were killed by European diseases."

 

[protectionist]

Why would you have any trouble getting jobs, when you're black, and can get AA ?

This is how you sound: "Why would you have any trouble getting [blank] when you're disabled and can get social security/disability benefits?"

People don't "get" AA.

Often, "people" don't get AA, when only blacks do. In some cases, other non-whites do, and women do. But blacks always can get it.

Anyone who gets it, does it unscrupuously, knowing many others are unfairly being denied. It is similar to theft.

 

[protectionist]

. There are more whites in poverty in America than all non-whites combined . This was true even long before AA came along.

Then why do you keep blaming black people for all of the ills that presently plague white Americans? And YOU?

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4. Reparations should be paid to white victims of AA, and maybe a very small, very old group of Jim Crow victims.

These should all be paid from lawsuits, and the perpetrators of AA and Jim Crow, not the govt.

Apparently you don't understand how lawsuits work nor how our government operates. The "perpetrators of AA and Jim Crow" - that would be the government that you just indicated should be excluded. They're the ones who drafted and passed the laws and then enforced the discriminatory policies, practices and statutes.

But just to humor me, how would you determine who and how someone has been harmed by affirmative action? Damages can't be paid unless you can show how you were harmed, that the act that caused the harm is unlawful and that affirmative action was the proximate cause of said harm

In law, a proximate cause is an event sufficiently related to an injury that the courts deem the event to be the cause of that injury. There are two types of causation in the law: cause-in-fact, and proximate (or legal) cause.
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Say for example, you apply for a managerial job and you were competing against a black female and she has a masters degree while you have a bachelors. The employer prefers that the candidate have a master although it's not a requirement. They select her over you. From what I know of you, you would probably claim you were being discriminated against because they hired a black female who in your mind only got where she did because of affirmative action's alleged "unfair" advantage, when in actuality, she was more educated and met the requirements that they desired, not required.

So tell me how you would prove that you were racially discriminated against in this scenario due to affirmative action.

I blame all those who create, push, and support AA, no matter what color they are. I also blame those who willingly receive it.

Instead, they could do what I have always done. Don't fill out the questionnaire. Have some integrity and pride.

 

[protectionist]

. There are more whites in poverty in America than all non-whites combined . This was true even long before AA came along.

Then why do you keep blaming black people for all of the ills that presently plague white Americans? And YOU?

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4. Reparations should be paid to white victims of AA, and maybe a very small, very old group of Jim Crow victims.

These should all be paid from lawsuits, and the perpetrators of AA and Jim Crow, not the govt.

Apparently you don't understand how lawsuits work nor how our government operates. The "perpetrators of AA and Jim Crow" - that would be the government that you just indicated should be excluded. They're the ones who drafted and passed the laws and then enforced the discriminatory policies, practices and statutes.

But just to humor me, how would you determine who and how someone has been harmed by affirmative action? Damages can't be paid unless you can show how you were harmed, that the act that caused the harm is unlawful and that affirmative action was the proximate cause of said harm

In law, a proximate cause is an event sufficiently related to an injury that the courts deem the event to be the cause of that injury. There are two types of causation in the law: cause-in-fact, and proximate (or legal) cause.
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Say for example, you apply for a managerial job and you were competing against a black female and she has a masters degree while you have a bachelors. The employer prefers that the candidate have a master although it's not a requirement. They select her over you. From what I know of you, you would probably claim you were being discriminated against because they hired a black female who in your mind only got where she did because of affirmative action's alleged "unfair" advantage, when in actuality, she was more educated and met the requirements that they desired, not required.

So tell me how you would prove that you were racially discriminated against in this scenario due to affirmative action.

I'm talking about the people, in or out of the govt who make AA happen. Not everybody in the govt supports it, and certainly not the American people, as a whole.

There are records of who was given favors of AA and who wasn'.t. Whatever the victims didn't get indicates the degree of harm. In my case, the harm was 40 years of being deprived of a career, plus 5 years of college down the drain. Add to that numerous jobs lost.

One way of doing it, to simplify , is just grant every white person an equal slice of however much money could be garnished from the perpetrators.

 

[protectionist]

You were not quoted out of context. I will let other posters decide that.

You misquoted her. Your entire position is false.

I don't have time for your racist idiocy tonight. You are a slave to hatred, slavery, and stupidity. You've made your own Hell on earth and seem to love to wallow in self pity and blame for everybody but yourself for your failures in life.

You are the racist here buddy. I'm not the on posting lunacy about how America was founded for one specific race and how constitutional amendments are legal. You're the one who has made your own Hell on earth and seem to love to wallow in self pity and blame for everybody but yourself for your failures in life.

I built 3 sucessful organizations and retired from that work at age 52. If I have failed then success does not exist, boy. What I am doing is speaking truth and you can't handle it. You're the one that hates. You see Junior, for as long as you have studied that crazy shit, I have studied white racism. In fact, that's required learning in the black community. You are the example of the 21st century white supremacist and the only tool you have is gaslighting. That's why you're here arguing a hate filled argument and claim I'm the racist for exposing you for what you are.

And I am going to continue.

I just saw a Chinese girl on the Dr. Phil Show expose people like you.


They called her a racist too for simply quoting the facts. The facts are facts. They have no agenda. You do. The first Naturalization Act says what it says. If you've wasted that much of your life fretting over racism, you wasted your life.

I worked in immigration law for six years, working for the prosecution side, defense side, expert witness, and working with undocumented foreigners with peripheral problems (like getting payment plans set up to pay their doctor bills.) When I cite the facts, Trump's people are equally sure that I am a race traitor, negrophilist, leftist, etc.

But, like I told you. I don't give a shit who believes what. I can tell people the truth and that's it. Your hatred is becoming contagious and should a race war break out, you will be responsible for much of the carnage.

You're not too retired or doing so good. You won't meet me face to face and talk skeet before a live audience. If you took your circus show on the road, you wouldn't have an audience any more.

Except you aren't quoting the facts and you're the one with an agenda. I think I know what my personal situation is. You are the one with the circus son, and I've been on TV/Radio. I have been able to bring suburban whites into the middle of the hood so they can understand what damage racism has caused. If we ever debate, I'm going to school you. Because you're a clown trying to peddle race baited garbage the constitution was ratified to end. Unalienable rights can't be taken and all the government did was insure everybody, not just whites, were able to enjoy those rights. There are not two classes, nothing you said was true.

How about if I bring YOU into my local VA hospital, so you can see what damage your AA racism has done ?

You wanna do that ? Never too late for someone to "school" you.

 

[protectionist]

Just because the 14th Amendment is in the Constitution does not mean it passed constitutional muster. Government has the power to declare things legal, but they do not always have the authority.

Normally your question here would be off topic; however, if nullified, the 14th Amendment would have far reaching racial implications that would have to be dealt with by applying other legal doctrines and case law. The links I provide show that the 14th Amendment is illegal because the process was not followed that allows an amendment to become law.

PRIOR to the 14th Amendment becoming law, the people had unalienable Rights. The courts determined that those Rights were inherent, God given, natural, absolute, above the law, and not subject to alienation. Legal dictionaries defined the word unalienable as not subject to alienation. The government could not take those Rights. Period. End of story. In a famous gun control case, the United States Supreme Court ruled in one of their first rulings:

"The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."
United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876)

In other words, the Constitution does not grant Rights; it merely guarantees them. Unalienable Rights predate the Constitution. But the United States Supreme Court illegally legislated from the bench and created another branch of law to circumvent the absolute nature of unalienable Rights. My links prove, unequivocally, that the 14th Amendment unequivocally created two classes of citizenship: Preamble Citizens and 14th Amendment citizens.

Fourteenth Amendment citizens are only guaranteed privileges and immunities. We sometimes refer to these as "rights," but they are not unalienable Rights. "Rights" are merely grants by the government. Unalienable Rights are the codification of that part of the Declaration of Independence which reads:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-"

In order to circumvent the law, the United States Supreme Court began using a synonym for unalienable. It is inalienable. Then the United States Supreme Court defined the word inalienable this way:

(Inalienable) Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. Morrison v. State, Mo. App., 252 S.W.2d 97, 101.

Notice that unalienable Rights cannot be aliened. Inalienable "Rights" all of a sudden could be aliened if you consented. This changed the origin of the Right. You cannot forfeit an unalienable Right (for example, you do not have a Right to kill yourself. The Right to Life was given by a Creator (your God, whomever you deem that to be.) The government dropped the word unalienable from its legal lexicon (it's no longer a word in Black's Law Dictionary despite that the word unalienable appears in the official version of the Declaration of Independence.) The government laid claim to being the grantor of all your "rights." How did that impact my life?

The government gets to interfere in my religion, telling me what I can and cannot believe, taxing my beliefs according to the government's acceptance of my tenets of faith.

The government has determined the value of my life and how I'm allowed to defend it, while, at the same time telling me it's my responsibility to defend my individual life and the cops only protect society as a whole.

When the National ID / REAL ID Act was passed, it mandated the Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number" and the government now claims I'm their property (a slave) and they monitor my every movement 24 / 7 / 365, either approving or disapproving of my every move within this country. AND they subject us to the unconstitutional income tax (a plank from the Communist Manifesto) in order to maintain control. The government likes to call this the equal protection of the laws (14th Amendment language.)

I'd continue on, but posts need to have a limit. I've already exceeded mine, but will give you more examples if those are not good enough.

Fourteenth Amendment citizens are only guaranteed privileges and immunities. We sometimes refer to these as "rights," but they are not unalienable Rights. "Rights" are merely grants by the government. Unalienable Rights are the codification of that part of the Declaration of Independence which reads:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-"

There is a lot to unpack in your comment and I don't have time right now to give it the indepth consideration I want but I will at least start with this.

According to the dictionaries I've reviewed, inalienable and unalienable have the same meaning

inalienable
adjective
not transferable to another or not capable of being taken away or denied; not alienable:

unalienable
adjective
not transferable to another or not capable of being taken away or denied; inalienable:
Inherent in the U.S. Constitution is the belief that all people are born with an unalienable right to freedom.
Definition of unalienable | Dictionary.com​

Natural rights which are rights we each have just by virtue of having been born, are endowed by our Creator and cannot be legislatively taken, although they can be infringed upon, are what I believe the unalienable rights mentioned in the Declaration of Independence to which you refer. Among them are the right to life, to liberty and to defend one's life.

And while the first ten amendmentts to the U.S. Constitution, collectively referred to as the Bill of Rights acknowledges and enumerates specific rights which the government is prohibited from violating in regards to the "People of the United States" these prohibitions do not apply only to natural or unalienable rights.

For example, the 5th amendment of the U.S. Constitution stipulates that the government may not deprive anyone of their life, liberty or property without due process of the law. This amendment would seem to uphold the original assertion that life and liberty in the very least are the natural/unalienable rights referred to in the Declaration of Independence and shall not be infringed.

On the other hand, I cannot recall ever seeing an argument made that the right to a speedy trial, to face one's accusors, etc. mandated by the 6th amendment is a Creator endowed natural inalienable right that shall not be infringed. I believe a variety of our national security codes and statutes very effectively infringe upon this right. The same can be said for the 1st Amendment's right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. These are not natural Creator endowed rights, they are rights guaranteed by our Constitution. Same for the right to vote via the 24th amendment.

Anyway getting back to the 14th amendment so I can get some sleep, as you already know, the 14th amendment was passed primarily to remedy the SCOTUS Dred Scott decision which stated that people of African descent could not be citizens even if they were freedmen and had never been slaves. For the adults who were brought here there was no path to citizenship however the 14th amendment gave those people of African descent who were born in the United States, even if they were originally born into slavery, a path to citizenship.

On July 28, 1868, the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution was ratified. The amendment grants citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States" which included former slaves who had just been freed after the Civil War.​

So how is citizenship an inalienable natural Creator given right? No one has a natural Creator given right to be an American citizen, it's a Constitutional right.

Citizen is the status of a person recognized under the custom or law as being a legal member of a sovereign state or belonging to a nation. The idea of citizenship has been defined as the capacity of individuals to defend their rights in front of the governmental authority. A person may have multiple citizenships.​

You have expressed that if you could have your way the 14th amendment would be recinded. If so, you would get rid of (deport) all people who were born here but who are not white as the original founders wanted?

I would deport all those who were born here whose parents were not citizens. That is how the 14th amendment was meant to be.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

You misquoted her. Your entire position is false.

I don't have time for your racist idiocy tonight. You are a slave to hatred, slavery, and stupidity. You've made your own Hell on earth and seem to love to wallow in self pity and blame for everybody but yourself for your failures in life.

You are the racist here buddy. I'm not the on posting lunacy about how America was founded for one specific race and how constitutional amendments are legal. You're the one who has made your own Hell on earth and seem to love to wallow in self pity and blame for everybody but yourself for your failures in life.

I built 3 sucessful organizations and retired from that work at age 52. If I have failed then success does not exist, boy. What I am doing is speaking truth and you can't handle it. You're the one that hates. You see Junior, for as long as you have studied that crazy shit, I have studied white racism. In fact, that's required learning in the black community. You are the example of the 21st century white supremacist and the only tool you have is gaslighting. That's why you're here arguing a hate filled argument and claim I'm the racist for exposing you for what you are.

And I am going to continue.

I just saw a Chinese girl on the Dr. Phil Show expose people like you.


They called her a racist too for simply quoting the facts. The facts are facts. They have no agenda. You do. The first Naturalization Act says what it says. If you've wasted that much of your life fretting over racism, you wasted your life.

I worked in immigration law for six years, working for the prosecution side, defense side, expert witness, and working with undocumented foreigners with peripheral problems (like getting payment plans set up to pay their doctor bills.) When I cite the facts, Trump's people are equally sure that I am a race traitor, negrophilist, leftist, etc.

But, like I told you. I don't give a shit who believes what. I can tell people the truth and that's it. Your hatred is becoming contagious and should a race war break out, you will be responsible for much of the carnage.

You're not too retired or doing so good. You won't meet me face to face and talk skeet before a live audience. If you took your circus show on the road, you wouldn't have an audience any more.

Except you aren't quoting the facts and you're the one with an agenda. I think I know what my personal situation is. You are the one with the circus son, and I've been on TV/Radio. I have been able to bring suburban whites into the middle of the hood so they can understand what damage racism has caused. If we ever debate, I'm going to school you. Because you're a clown trying to peddle race baited garbage the constitution was ratified to end. Unalienable rights can't be taken and all the government did was insure everybody, not just whites, were able to enjoy those rights. There are not two classes, nothing you said was true.

How about if I bring YOU into my local VA hospital, so you can see what damage your AA racism has done ?

You wanna do that ? Never too late for someone to "school" you.

I go to the V.A. hospital every month..The care is excellent---if any there used AA to get the education needed..it worked--if any were hired via AA practices...we, the Vets, benefited. The fact is, that minority hiring practices in the Federal Govt. have done a lot of good..and provided thousands of jobs to people that historically have been shut out of the process. You no likkee? Who cares?

Unlike what you said..I do believe that it is too late to school you--you will die ignorant.

 

[protectionist]

I started my own business on practically nothing and built it up, and was successful that way.

I started by own business on practically nothing and built it up, and was successful that way.

But now you work in some kind of job doing computer work, for which you have certs from Microsoft, right ?

 

[protectionist]

The only thing you have established is your perverted, malicious willingness to throw millions of people under the bus, to greedily grab whatever you can get.

You are very strange and it sounds like you're becoming afraid of me

Good.

YOU sound very strange, with an uncanny ability to fail to understand things ...aka Stupid.

 

[protectionist]

There is nothing supreme about white ppl. Any time one race, ie whites, who have been afforded the red carpet treatment by virtue of skin color, since this country's conception, still struggles to maintain a good life for themselves, is not supreme, but rather pathetic. White ppl have been free their whole lives and you don't have your shit together by now, blame nobody but your votes and yourselves.

The only thing supreme about white ppl, is the fast food order I get from Taco Bell.

Oh God!
Who left the cage door open ?

 

[protectionist]

There is nothing supreme about white ppl. Any time one race, ie whites, who have been afforded the red carpet treatment by virtue of skin color, since this country's conception, still struggles to maintain a good life for themselves, is not supreme, but rather pathetic. White ppl have been free their whole lives and you don't have your shit together by now, blame nobody but your votes and yourselves.

The only thing supreme about white ppl, is the fast food order I get from Taco Bell.

Welcome back sister.

"Sister" ? I thought that ghetto beast was a man. Well, racism has no sex boundaries.

 

[protectionist]

That did happen, by JFK, and again in 1965, by LBJ. You can't change history.

That's true..no matter how hard YOU try.

JFK coined the phrase of Affirmative Action in an Executive Order. LBJ mandated AA in hiring practices by Federal contractors--in 1965, after the civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed. AA took another decade to firmly take hold. It is an fact that White women probably benefited more than Black men. It is also a fact that most minorities had a shot at AA. It is also a fact that many minorities were able to get an education, enter professions such as medicine and the law--that might have not done so. Again, women, and particularly women of color...greatly benefited.

IMO..those sort of things are the only reparations that really even count

Anyone who thinks that white men are the victims of racism in this country is either a fool or attempting to pursue a revisionist and racist agenda. I guess that one could be both.
White victim-hood is pathetic..and an excuse for losers to find a reason they can live with for their failures.

Timeline of Affirmative Action Milestones

You are absolutely clueless. Read my posts in this thread and learn.

LMAO. If anything, he will "learn" how backward your logic is, and how "clueless" you are.

How backward, dishonest, dishonorable, and pathetic YOU are, needing and relying on AA.

I'm retired and don't personally need it, and it never benefitted me, but as long as backward thinking, socially inept, nutjobs like you, who would favor turning back time to the pre civil rights era still exist, future generations of minorities and females need protection from those like you.

Current and future generations of whites (including women,) need protection from racist criminals like you.

 

[protectionist]

There is nothing supreme about white ppl. Any time one race, ie whites, who have been afforded the red carpet treatment by virtue of skin color, since this country's conception, still struggles to maintain a good life for themselves, is not supreme, but rather pathetic. White ppl have been free their whole lives and you don't have your shit together by now, blame nobody but your votes and yourselves.

The only thing supreme about white ppl, is the fast food order I get from Taco Bell.

Welcome back sister.

I got permanently kicked off of Twitter....LOLOLOL....hey, your kickin ass and taking names, I like, I like

Glad you're back. Cause you drop bombs and I like that too.

But her bombs blow up in her face..after she drops them on her foot.

 

[protectionist]

I gave a perfect example of the absolute proof that yes, blacks are much better off than whites, with good jobs more so than whites.

Here's 2 more a proof examples: Ho hum.

Bay Pines VA hospital, St. Petersburg FL

Florida Dept of Employment - Job Center, Tampa, FL

Florida is not inclusive of the entire country.

National Department of Labor statistics prove you to be making up lies...yet again.

Labor force characteristics by race and ethnicity, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Just slapping a link down here doesnt
carry any weight. You got something to present, show it.

The proof examples I posted, do carry weight. They are living, breathing proof.

Bureau of labor statistics for the entire country are far more accurate than you making some vague reference to the VA system in Florida and the Florida department of employment, which contained no link to any related information.

Florida is but 1 state in America.

WTH are you smoking?

FALSE! Just the opposite is true. I know as a liberal, you are trained to accept statistics, as if they came from God
Problem is they come from humans, many of whom lie, and present numbers to show what they want. My examples cannot be distortion. If you walk the halls of the VA hospitals, you will see 95% dark-skinned minorities working there. Pure proof of AA discrimination racism, that can't be concealed.

Statistical information is commonly used in gathering a factual argument, you loon, that is not a liberal or conservative practice, and sometimes the truth is painful.

You are continuing to make a very strong case here for your obvious affliction of insanity.

Pulling incoherent statements out of your empty head, about what "you think you see" at your residence in the VA mental ward in Florida as opposed to presenting statistically supported facts based on the ENTIRE country is a monumental testament to your abject stupidity and ignorance.

You need to take your meds and STFU.

So the liberal establishment has you fully programmed into its statistics (always from liberal source) mind set, with a total bypass of visible reality right before your eyes.

We already knew that. Have nice day, robot.

 

[protectionist]

The only thing you have established is your perverted, malicious willingness to throw millions of people under the bus, to greedily grab whatever you can get.

You are very strange and it sounds like you're becoming afraid of me

Good.

Just a side note....Your tribute to the Tuskegee air men is to be commended. A few years ago I saw a documentary celebrating their contributions to the war and was in complete awe of their record of service and how those black heros, those second class citizen, monkeys, coons, etc....flew side by side with white bomber pilots, protected them and never lost one single mission of attack while doing so. They were so good in fact, that white pilots requested them by unit...God bless your grandfather for his service and you should be proud as should all black americans, sir!!

Of course she should be proud of her grandfather, but from what he did, not because he was black. And if she, or you, really wanted to laud his fine service, you could join the military and serve in it for 5 years yourself, like I, and many others have done.

 

[protectionist]

You misquoted her. Your entire position is false.

I don't have time for your racist idiocy tonight. You are a slave to hatred, slavery, and stupidity. You've made your own Hell on earth and seem to love to wallow in self pity and blame for everybody but yourself for your failures in life.

You are the racist here buddy. I'm not the on posting lunacy about how America was founded for one specific race and how constitutional amendments are legal. You're the one who has made your own Hell on earth and seem to love to wallow in self pity and blame for everybody but yourself for your failures in life.

I built 3 sucessful organizations and retired from that work at age 52. If I have failed then success does not exist, boy. What I am doing is speaking truth and you can't handle it. You're the one that hates. You see Junior, for as long as you have studied that crazy shit, I have studied white racism. In fact, that's required learning in the black community. You are the example of the 21st century white supremacist and the only tool you have is gaslighting. That's why you're here arguing a hate filled argument and claim I'm the racist for exposing you for what you are.

And I am going to continue.

I just saw a Chinese girl on the Dr. Phil Show expose people like you.


They called her a racist too for simply quoting the facts. The facts are facts. They have no agenda. You do. The first Naturalization Act says what it says. If you've wasted that much of your life fretting over racism, you wasted your life.

I worked in immigration law for six years, working for the prosecution side, defense side, expert witness, and working with undocumented foreigners with peripheral problems (like getting payment plans set up to pay their doctor bills.) When I cite the facts, Trump's people are equally sure that I am a race traitor, negrophilist, leftist, etc.

But, like I told you. I don't give a shit who believes what. I can tell people the truth and that's it. Your hatred is becoming contagious and should a race war break out, you will be responsible for much of the carnage.

You're not too retired or doing so good. You won't meet me face to face and talk skeet before a live audience. If you took your circus show on the road, you wouldn't have an audience any more.

"Trump's people are equally sure that I am a race traitor, negrophilist, leftist, etc."

You sure about that, chief??

Greg

When I have given them the facts about immigration, and I have in more in the field experience from all sides than any man alive today, they reject the facts, ignore the evidence and every thread I participate in becomes a shitstorm.

Try telling people that the public is fickle and you cannot criminalize Liberty, they act as if you just raped their 11 year old daughter. Tell them that coming into the United States without papers is not a crime, but a civil violation of the law and they will send death threats to your house. Remind them that it was the right that created the precedent that allowed sanctuary cities and prevented local governments from enforcing federal gun control laws and they either ignore you or send assassins to your home.

Yeah, they've sent people to shoot into my house. For five years I had a stalker that followed me day and night until I put a bounty out on him and it was substantial. So, yeah, I'm sure about what I'm telling you.

BTW, if you leave the right alone, they are advocating enforcing immigration laws that were designed to dilute the white vote and marginalize the whites. All you have to do is remain silent and they will give America away to foreigners. Just make sure they come in "legally" as the right erroneously calls it. But, yeah, I'm sure of it.

When you say "coming into the United States without papers", that sure sounds like you are talking about EWI (entry without inspection). That certainly IS a crime (US Code 8 Section 1325) + its ALSO a civil violation as well. On the crime side of it, violators get 6 months in fed prison, for first offense, and 2 years for each subsequent.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

 

[protectionist]

Just because the 14th Amendment is in the Constitution does not mean it passed constitutional muster. Government has the power to declare things legal, but they do not always have the authority.

Normally your question here would be off topic; however, if nullified, the 14th Amendment would have far reaching racial implications that would have to be dealt with by applying other legal doctrines and case law. The links I provide show that the 14th Amendment is illegal because the process was not followed that allows an amendment to become law.

PRIOR to the 14th Amendment becoming law, the people had unalienable Rights. The courts determined that those Rights were inherent, God given, natural, absolute, above the law, and not subject to alienation. Legal dictionaries defined the word unalienable as not subject to alienation. The government could not take those Rights. Period. End of story. In a famous gun control case, the United States Supreme Court ruled in one of their first rulings:

"The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."
United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876)

In other words, the Constitution does not grant Rights; it merely guarantees them. Unalienable Rights predate the Constitution. But the United States Supreme Court illegally legislated from the bench and created another branch of law to circumvent the absolute nature of unalienable Rights. My links prove, unequivocally, that the 14th Amendment unequivocally created two classes of citizenship: Preamble Citizens and 14th Amendment citizens.

Fourteenth Amendment citizens are only guaranteed privileges and immunities. We sometimes refer to these as "rights," but they are not unalienable Rights. "Rights" are merely grants by the government. Unalienable Rights are the codification of that part of the Declaration of Independence which reads:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-"

In order to circumvent the law, the United States Supreme Court began using a synonym for unalienable. It is inalienable. Then the United States Supreme Court defined the word inalienable this way:

(Inalienable) Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. Morrison v. State, Mo. App., 252 S.W.2d 97, 101.

Notice that unalienable Rights cannot be aliened. Inalienable "Rights" all of a sudden could be aliened if you consented. This changed the origin of the Right. You cannot forfeit an unalienable Right (for example, you do not have a Right to kill yourself. The Right to Life was given by a Creator (your God, whomever you deem that to be.) The government dropped the word unalienable from its legal lexicon (it's no longer a word in Black's Law Dictionary despite that the word unalienable appears in the official version of the Declaration of Independence.) The government laid claim to being the grantor of all your "rights." How did that impact my life?

The government gets to interfere in my religion, telling me what I can and cannot believe, taxing my beliefs according to the government's acceptance of my tenets of faith.

The government has determined the value of my life and how I'm allowed to defend it, while, at the same time telling me it's my responsibility to defend my individual life and the cops only protect society as a whole.

When the National ID / REAL ID Act was passed, it mandated the Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number" and the government now claims I'm their property (a slave) and they monitor my every movement 24 / 7 / 365, either approving or disapproving of my every move within this country. AND they subject us to the unconstitutional income tax (a plank from the Communist Manifesto) in order to maintain control. The government likes to call this the equal protection of the laws (14th Amendment language.)

I'd continue on, but posts need to have a limit. I've already exceeded mine, but will give you more examples if those are not good enough.

Fourteenth Amendment citizens are only guaranteed privileges and immunities. We sometimes refer to these as "rights," but they are not unalienable Rights. "Rights" are merely grants by the government. Unalienable Rights are the codification of that part of the Declaration of Independence which reads:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-"

There is a lot to unpack in your comment and I don't have time right now to give it the indepth consideration I want but I will at least start with this.

According to the dictionaries I've reviewed, inalienable and unalienable have the same meaning

inalienable
adjective
not transferable to another or not capable of being taken away or denied; not alienable:

unalienable
adjective
not transferable to another or not capable of being taken away or denied; inalienable:
Inherent in the U.S. Constitution is the belief that all people are born with an unalienable right to freedom.
Definition of unalienable | Dictionary.com​

Natural rights which are rights we each have just by virtue of having been born, are endowed by our Creator and cannot be legislatively taken, although they can be infringed upon, are what I believe the unalienable rights mentioned in the Declaration of Independence to which you refer. Among them are the right to life, to liberty and to defend one's life.

And while the first ten amendmentts to the U.S. Constitution, collectively referred to as the Bill of Rights acknowledges and enumerates specific rights which the government is prohibited from violating in regards to the "People of the United States" these prohibitions do not apply only to natural or unalienable rights.

For example, the 5th amendment of the U.S. Constitution stipulates that the government may not deprive anyone of their life, liberty or property without due process of the law. This amendment would seem to uphold the original assertion that life and liberty in the very least are the natural/unalienable rights referred to in the Declaration of Independence and shall not be infringed.

On the other hand, I cannot recall ever seeing an argument made that the right to a speedy trial, to face one's accusors, etc. mandated by the 6th amendment is a Creator endowed natural inalienable right that shall not be infringed. I believe a variety of our national security codes and statutes very effectively infringe upon this right. The same can be said for the 1st Amendment's right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. These are not natural Creator endowed rights, they are rights guaranteed by our Constitution. Same for the right to vote via the 24th amendment.

Anyway getting back to the 14th amendment so I can get some sleep, as you already know, the 14th amendment was passed primarily to remedy the SCOTUS Dred Scott decision which stated that people of African descent could not be citizens even if they were freedmen and had never been slaves. For the adults who were brought here there was no path to citizenship however the 14th amendment gave those people of African descent who were born in the United States, even if they were originally born into slavery, a path to citizenship.

On July 28, 1868, the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution was ratified. The amendment grants citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States" which included former slaves who had just been freed after the Civil War.​

So how is citizenship an inalienable natural Creator given right? No one has a natural Creator given right to be an American citizen, it's a Constitutional right.

Citizen is the status of a person recognized under the custom or law as being a legal member of a sovereign state or belonging to a nation. The idea of citizenship has been defined as the capacity of individuals to defend their rights in front of the governmental authority. A person may have multiple citizenships.​

You have expressed that if you could have your way the 14th amendment would be recinded. If so, you would get rid of (deport) all people who were born here but who are not white as the original founders wanted?

I posted credible court citations that have authority in the courts. I'm well aware of what laymen claim. I told you that the COURTS reinterpreted the words unalienable and inalienable and showed it HOW it was corrupted.

It's impossible to give you a college education in a few paragraphs on the Internet and you would not look up the links even if I left them for you. But, you know what. If I did not have something worth considering I would not be waking up to 30 alerts every morning over stuff I posted on this board. If it had no merit, people would ignore me. The resistance to the truth is all the validation I need to figure it out: people like you live in fear.

And, no, we won't be deporting anyone. You cannot criminalize Liberty. We can limit citizenship and we don't have to finance the lifestyles of those who come here and don't fend for themselves. I can think case law and our established customs will handle most of your other unfounded fears.

Illegal aliens are being deported every day.

 

[protectionist]

Like it or not, the United States was founded for the white people. Nobody has a problem with slavery unless they can blame the whites. Forget the fact that the Constitution began phasing out slavery AND it under British rule that blacks were made slaves. How many times have you advocated punishing the British, the slavers and / or the blacks how sold their brethren into slavery?

I neither like or don't..it is history and it is a data point. No one is advocating punishing anyone..they are advocating addressing historical wrongs--in a variety of ways. I would point out that the British were also the first nation to outlaw slavery--and the first nation to aggressively attempt to end the slave trade by conducting vigorous and effective naval patrols and interdiction's.

Every ethical person has a problem with slavery..whether or not the 'whites' can be blamed. Jefferson and company were groping in the dark...attempting to codify the philosophical underpinnings of our nation, but actions DO speak louder than words.....and equality may be a right....but it is one that has not yet been attained.

I'm curious..as to where in the original Constitution..do you find this, 'phasing out of slavery' that you refer to?

How interesting that you speak of "whites" when talking about blame for slavery, when the particular whites who engaged in it, were only a tiny % of those living in only one section of the US.

Idiot..i was quoting you!
You said...

"Like it or not, the United States was founded for the white people. Nobody has a problem with slavery unless they can blame the whites."

To which I responded..."Every ethical person has a problem with slavery..whether or not the 'whites' can be blamed."

If you want to talk about blaming...well...who benefited from slavery? Whose economy was based on slave labor? What percentage of the GNP of the Southern States was slave-based? Supply and demand, after all, right? I don't blame people long dead for our problems today. I acknowledge their part in the making of our nation, warts and all--but blame? Blame is for people like you..who perpetuate the underlying poison of racism..with subtle and not so subtle spinnings of the truth..in order to justify their continuing sense of victim-hood.

Not a quote of me. SHOW it. Then apologize, you clumsy oaf.

As for who is perpetuating racism, you are, and your grabby, racist buddies here who all support Affirmative Action, while you mock its victims.

Blame ? It's for you.

You..Porter..same ole..same ole. But sure..sorry for getting the wrong racist idiot. Still...it was your comrade in supremacy that brought up blame..and you just ran with it.

You just tripped again. I don't run with other posters' words. I've been here 6 years, and have hundreds of OPs on record + over 30,000 posts.

 

[protectionist]

Whites were killing each other in Europe. STFU protectionist.

Unrelated information, Mr Deflection.

No, it's related. Why travel the ocean blue to kill strangers when Europeans were having so much fun killing their neighbors?

1.They didn't kill strangers except in self-defense. Most Indians never laid eyes on a white person. Most interracial relations were peaceful, including thousands of Indian-white marriages.


2. The arrival of Europeans was the best thing that ever happened to American Indians. Go ask them if they would like to give up living in buildings with indoor plumbing, electricity, heat and AC, TV, stereos, computers, etc, and go back to living like their stone age ancestors.

ROTFLMFAO! That may be a contender for the most stupid post of the month!

Well..maybe I should ask the literal millions of native Americans that died due to the diseases that the Europeans brought with them?

Deaths Caused by Diseases Among the Native Americans in the 18th Century | Synonym

"European explorers to the Americas between the 15th and 19th centuries brought several diseases with them that proved deadly to the native population. Diseases such as smallpox, influenza and measles killed approximately 90 percent of the Native American population. The indigenous people did not have any previous exposure to these deadly diseases, and had no natural immunity. Sometimes the illnesses spread after direct contact with European settlers, often resulting in deadly outbreaks that decimated entire villages.


Why Native Americans Didn't Wipe Out Europeans With Diseases

"While estimates vary, approximately 20-50 million people are believed to have lived in the Americas shortly before Europeans arrived. Around 95% of them were killed by European diseases."

Damn fool. I was talking about American Indians living today. Your deflection konked out.

 

[protectionist]

I don't have time for your racist idiocy tonight. You are a slave to hatred, slavery, and stupidity. You've made your own Hell on earth and seem to love to wallow in self pity and blame for everybody but yourself for your failures in life.

You are the racist here buddy. I'm not the on posting lunacy about how America was founded for one specific race and how constitutional amendments are legal. You're the one who has made your own Hell on earth and seem to love to wallow in self pity and blame for everybody but yourself for your failures in life.

I built 3 sucessful organizations and retired from that work at age 52. If I have failed then success does not exist, boy. What I am doing is speaking truth and you can't handle it. You're the one that hates. You see Junior, for as long as you have studied that crazy shit, I have studied white racism. In fact, that's required learning in the black community. You are the example of the 21st century white supremacist and the only tool you have is gaslighting. That's why you're here arguing a hate filled argument and claim I'm the racist for exposing you for what you are.

And I am going to continue.

I just saw a Chinese girl on the Dr. Phil Show expose people like you.


They called her a racist too for simply quoting the facts. The facts are facts. They have no agenda. You do. The first Naturalization Act says what it says. If you've wasted that much of your life fretting over racism, you wasted your life.

I worked in immigration law for six years, working for the prosecution side, defense side, expert witness, and working with undocumented foreigners with peripheral problems (like getting payment plans set up to pay their doctor bills.) When I cite the facts, Trump's people are equally sure that I am a race traitor, negrophilist, leftist, etc.

But, like I told you. I don't give a shit who believes what. I can tell people the truth and that's it. Your hatred is becoming contagious and should a race war break out, you will be responsible for much of the carnage.

You're not too retired or doing so good. You won't meet me face to face and talk skeet before a live audience. If you took your circus show on the road, you wouldn't have an audience any more.

Except you aren't quoting the facts and you're the one with an agenda. I think I know what my personal situation is. You are the one with the circus son, and I've been on TV/Radio. I have been able to bring suburban whites into the middle of the hood so they can understand what damage racism has caused. If we ever debate, I'm going to school you. Because you're a clown trying to peddle race baited garbage the constitution was ratified to end. Unalienable rights can't be taken and all the government did was insure everybody, not just whites, were able to enjoy those rights. There are not two classes, nothing you said was true.

How about if I bring YOU into my local VA hospital, so you can see what damage your AA racism has done ?

You wanna do that ? Never too late for someone to "school" you.

I go to the V.A. hospital every month..The care is excellent---if any there used AA to get the education needed..it worked--if any were hired via AA practices...we, the Vets, benefited. The fact is, that minority hiring practices in the Federal Govt. have done a lot of good..and provided thousands of jobs to people that historically have been shut out of the process. You no likkee? Who cares?

Unlike what you said..I do believe that it is too late to school you--you will die ignorant.

AA hiring is not a matter of ignorance or knowledge. It is a matter of morality. Right vs wrong.

You are on the side of racist discrimination against whites. You are a lowdown, racist pig, and that's about all there is to it. Now go crawl back under your rock.

Secondly, I would say that some of the VA care is good, some isn't. One thing is sure. It doesn't help the quality of care to have 90% of doctors et al being hired by skin color, rather than qualification. Duh!