What kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed?

[Pilot1]

Bad things happen in good neighborhoods and good areas. It's just an insurance policy. Why should people accept being a potential victim of violent crime?

 

[Blues Man]

Actually the reverse is true. We need them to protect ourselves, our families, and our property from desperate fucked up people who refuse to accept the results of an election. And for druggies, muggers, rapists, car-jackers, home-invaders, robbers, terrorists, and other left-wingers.

how many times have you used your guns ag

You can discuss them all you want but there is no justification needed and if you actually believe there is no justification needed then there is no need to comment on anyone's reason for doing anything that is legal

you seem so confused about discussion forums. The whole point of them is to discuss things.

So if we both agree that unicorns do not exist how much time do you want to waste discussing unicorns?

if there was thread about unicorns I would expect them to be discussed. That is not the topic of this thread

Neither is the topic the reason people own guns

well, yeah actually it is. did you happen to read the title of the thread?

Not how I take it.

I take it as the question being posed is if America is as violent as the gun control people say it is why would they be against law abiding people carrying guns for protection

Maybe the OP can weigh in on this to clear it up

 

[M14 Shooter]

Not how I take it.
I take it as the question being posed is if America is as violent as the gun control people say it is why would they be against law abiding people carrying guns for protection
Maybe the OP can weigh in on this to clear it up

The question demonstrates the dishonesty of the anti-gun loons who, out one side of their mouth, will tell us gun violence is so bad we need to further restrict the rights of the law abiding, and out the other side, tell us there's no reason for you to have/own/carry a gun for your own protection, and if you want to, you're a paranoid nutcase.

You will note -none- of the anti-gun loons have addressed this question

 

[Pilot1]

The Democrats, Media and Education have brainwashed many people into thinking all guns are bad and that they cause violence on their own.

The end game is purely to disarm the law abiding to create more dependency on government and hence more government control.

Politicians and government bureaucrats hate that we can legally own guns and potentially resist their over bearing power.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Democrats, Media and Education have brainwashed many people into thinking all guns are bad and that they cause violence on their own.
The end game is purely to disarm the law abiding to create more dependency on government and hence more government control.

The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.

 

[dannyboys]

The ONLY places in the US where 'gun-violence' is endemic is in inner city negro/latino populated shit holes where virtually every gun is illegal.
Normal decent people NEVER EVER go into these shitholes! NEVER!!!!!
99.9% of legal gun owners possess/carry guns to defend themselves against the fucking drug addicts/gang bangers who go into decent neighborhoods to commit crimes.

 

[Crepitus]

That's a dumb excuse. What are the chances of getting into deadly trouble a gun can save you from in suburban America? Especially if you are untrained in it's use? I'd be willing to bet you are more likely to be struck by lighting or hit by a bus.

It only takes one time.

Better to be prepared than not.

There is little or no chance my house will burn down but that doesn't mean I let my insurance lapse.

...and The country is getting more and more socialist. That brings out desperate fucked up people

Gun nuts are generally desperate fucked up people.

You mean violent people… Firearms have nothing to do with it

Spoken like a black belt in stupid.

'Ol Rusty could stupid for the Olympics.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You're the coward. That decision is for you to make.

Actually, no. It takes a certain amount of bravery for a man to take upon himself the responsibility for his own personal safety, and the safety of his loved ones.

A true "coward" would be those like yourself, who would rather become a murder victim than to protect themselves and their family members. History is full of cowards who had neither the tools nor the inclination to survive, and it's pretty obvious that you are of the same mindset.

If you are afraid to face the world without being armed 24/7, you are a coward.

I do not think that coward is the correct word for either side of the discussion.

I own a couple guns, do not carry, open or concealed unless I am going to shoot them. Have no need nor desire to have a firearm on my person at all times. Not because I am afraid of guns nor people who carry them, I just do not see the point at this place in my life.

But by the same token, I know a lot of people that are armed just about everywhere they go, to them slipping on their gun is no different than putting on their belt or shoes. None of them do it out of fear, anymore than locking your door in your car is done out of fear.

There are reasonable times to be armed, but if anyone feels the need to be armed 24/7, and they are not a cop, military, or have a special reason to feel threatened, they are either nuts or a coward.

I don't feel a "need" to be armed. I carry because I can, because I like to, because it pisses gun-hating morons off to no end, and because you can't do anything about it.

because it pisses gun-hating morons off to no end says it all. And you just made it to the gunnutter rating with that.

 

[Crepitus]

It only takes one time.

Better to be prepared than not.

There is little or no chance my house will burn down but that doesn't mean I let my insurance lapse.

...and The country is getting more and more socialist. That brings out desperate fucked up people

Gun nuts are generally desperate fucked up people.

Actually the reverse is true. We need them to protect ourselves, our families, and our property from desperate fucked up people who refuse to accept the results of an election. And for druggies, muggers, rapists, car-jackers, home-invaders, robbers, terrorists, and other left-wingers.

how many times have you used your guns ag

this is true. but when you put your reasons on a public forum, they are then fair game for discussion.

people seem so confused about discussion forums.

There is no reason needed to do anything that is legal or is a right

this is true. but when you put your reasons on a public forum, they are then fair game for discussion.

people seem so confused about discussion forums

You can discuss them all you want but there is no justification needed and if you actually believe there is no justification needed then there is no need to comment on anyone's reason for doing anything that is legal

you seem so confused about discussion forums. The whole point of them is to discuss things.

So if we both agree that unicorns do not exist how much time do you want to waste discussing unicorns?

So his reasons don't exist?

 

[Crepitus]

Sorry, but if you think you need to be armed at a little girl's soft ball game, you're nuts.

You never know...

Two Dads Get In a Bloody Brawl Over Daughter's Softball Game

Yep. A gun would have come in real handy there.

It's a shame nobody got shot and sent to the morgue that day.

A simple brawl doesn't necessitate a shooting. That's why I carry pepper spray and a boot knife. If those don't get the point across, then out comes the pistol.

What a scary world, eh?

Not really all that scary if you're prepared for whatever might happen.

You carry pepper spray, a knife, and a pistol.

Paranoia is a hell of a thing huh?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And add guns to that brawl and what happens?

Yea...dead people...dead kids

Blame the individuals not the firearm

Exactly. Gun nuts are scary. Most of them that I know, and I know a lot, would benefit from the Barney rule. Allow them one bullet, but they have to keep it in their shirt pocket.

Lol
It’s best if you stay in your safe space...

I'm not afraid to step off of my porch without being armed. You are not. It's obvious who the coward is.

I live in rural America… We don’t have the violence that urban America encourages

You also don't have the numbers of people per square mile either. The more people per square mile, the more gun regulation is needed. You can be as stupid as you want to be if you are the only one around. But be stupid around a large group and there has to be some protections against stupidity built in.

One size doesn't fit all.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You carry pepper spray, a knife, and a pistol.
Paranoia is a hell of a thing huh?

If gun violence doesn't rise to a level where the average person is paranoid for carrying a firearm for self-defense, why do we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If you are afraid to face the world without being armed 24/7, you are a coward.

I do not think that coward is the correct word for either side of the discussion.

I own a couple guns, do not carry, open or concealed unless I am going to shoot them. Have no need nor desire to have a firearm on my person at all times. Not because I am afraid of guns nor people who carry them, I just do not see the point at this place in my life.

But by the same token, I know a lot of people that are armed just about everywhere they go, to them slipping on their gun is no different than putting on their belt or shoes. None of them do it out of fear, anymore than locking your door in your car is done out of fear.

There are reasonable times to be armed, but if anyone feels the need to be armed 24/7, and they are not a cop, military, or have a special reason to feel threatened, they are either nuts or a coward.

I don't know anyone who sleeps with their gun on them so in reality no one is armed 24/7

It seems one person on this forum said they have a gun in a slot on their headboard...so that is pretty darn 24/7

I hollowed out an old radio and it now sits on my headboard with my Glock inside of it. I can retrieve the firearm very quickly if needed.

But I don’t need to carry when i go to the grocery store. I’ve no hero fantasies.

And there isn't a court in the nation that says you can't have that gun in that clock as long as that clock is in your home. Heller V DC.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If you are afraid to face the world without being armed 24/7, you are a coward.

I do not think that coward is the correct word for either side of the discussion.

I own a couple guns, do not carry, open or concealed unless I am going to shoot them. Have no need nor desire to have a firearm on my person at all times. Not because I am afraid of guns nor people who carry them, I just do not see the point at this place in my life.

But by the same token, I know a lot of people that are armed just about everywhere they go, to them slipping on their gun is no different than putting on their belt or shoes. None of them do it out of fear, anymore than locking your door in your car is done out of fear.

There are reasonable times to be armed, but if anyone feels the need to be armed 24/7, and they are not a cop, military, or have a special reason to feel threatened, they are either nuts or a coward.

I don't feel a "need" to be armed. I carry because I can, because I like to, because it pisses gun-hating morons off to no end, and because you can't do anything about it.

Got it. You're an idiot.

It seems more to me that you're the idiot who can't do anything about my exercising my right to carry a firearm.

And what's all the idiocy about "common sense gun control"? We al ready have common sense gun control. It's called the "four basic rules of firearms safety."

1. There's no such thing as an "unloaded" firearm. Treat every firearms as if it were loaded.

2. Never point a firearm at anything you don't intend to destroy.

3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.

4. Be sure of of your target and what's beyond it. Bullets can travel up to a mile or more.

That's "common sense" gun control.

You already made the gunnutter list. You don't have to keep reinforcing it.

 

[Blues Man]

...and The country is getting more and more socialist. That brings out desperate fucked up people

Gun nuts are generally desperate fucked up people.

Actually the reverse is true. We need them to protect ourselves, our families, and our property from desperate fucked up people who refuse to accept the results of an election. And for druggies, muggers, rapists, car-jackers, home-invaders, robbers, terrorists, and other left-wingers.

how many times have you used your guns ag

There is no reason needed to do anything that is legal or is a right

this is true. but when you put your reasons on a public forum, they are then fair game for discussion.

people seem so confused about discussion forums

You can discuss them all you want but there is no justification needed and if you actually believe there is no justification needed then there is no need to comment on anyone's reason for doing anything that is legal

you seem so confused about discussion forums. The whole point of them is to discuss things.

So if we both agree that unicorns do not exist how much time do you want to waste discussing unicorns?

So his reasons don't exist?

There is no reason needed to exercise any right or to participate in any legal activity. Gator agreed with that statement yet he still wants to beat the subject to death

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I do not think that coward is the correct word for either side of the discussion.

I own a couple guns, do not carry, open or concealed unless I am going to shoot them. Have no need nor desire to have a firearm on my person at all times. Not because I am afraid of guns nor people who carry them, I just do not see the point at this place in my life.

But by the same token, I know a lot of people that are armed just about everywhere they go, to them slipping on their gun is no different than putting on their belt or shoes. None of them do it out of fear, anymore than locking your door in your car is done out of fear.

There are reasonable times to be armed, but if anyone feels the need to be armed 24/7, and they are not a cop, military, or have a special reason to feel threatened, they are either nuts or a coward.

I don't know anyone who sleeps with their gun on them so in reality no one is armed 24/7

It seems one person on this forum said they have a gun in a slot on their headboard...so that is pretty darn 24/7

I hollowed out an old radio and it now sits on my headboard with my Glock inside of it. I can retrieve the firearm very quickly if needed.

But I don’t need to carry when i go to the grocery store. I’ve no hero fantasies.

It's not that you "don't need" to carry, you can't. Not without a permit, which you don't have. Most likely you're one of those prohibited people who has a criminal background, possibly a felon and a pothead.

So anyone that doesn't feel the need to be ready for the Apocalypse is a criminal that can't get a license to carry, right? Spoken like a true gunnutter. You already got your sooper secrit gunnutter decoder ring back, you don't have to keep proving your worth of it to the rest of us.

 

[Blues Man]

You never know...

Two Dads Get In a Bloody Brawl Over Daughter's Softball Game

Yep. A gun would have come in real handy there.

It's a shame nobody got shot and sent to the morgue that day.

A simple brawl doesn't necessitate a shooting. That's why I carry pepper spray and a boot knife. If those don't get the point across, then out comes the pistol.

What a scary world, eh?

Not really all that scary if you're prepared for whatever might happen.

You carry pepper spray, a knife, and a pistol.

Paranoia is a hell of a thing huh?

Pepper spray is nonlethal so use it first
If pepper spray doesn't work the use the pistol
If the pistol doesn't work the knife is a last resort

 

[Crepitus]

The Democrats, Media and Education have brainwashed many people into thinking all guns are bad and that they cause violence on their own.
The end game is purely to disarm the law abiding to create more dependency on government and hence more government control.

The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.

I'm so tired of hearing that line of bullshit. You and your AR are not a match for a single squad of semi-retired national gaurdsmen. If the big evil government decides to come for you you are done, and it doesn't matter haw many semiautomatic rifles you have.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.

I'm so tired of hearing that line of bullshit. You and your AR at not a match for a single squad of semi-retired national gaurdsmen. If the big evil government decides to come for you you are done, and it doesn't matter haw many semiautomatic rifles you have.

Funny how you do not argue against the premise.
Thanks for the confirmation.

Now tell us:
If gun violence doesn't rise to a level where the average person is paranoid for carrying a firearm for self-defense, why do we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms?

 

[Blues Man]

The Democrats, Media and Education have brainwashed many people into thinking all guns are bad and that they cause violence on their own.
The end game is purely to disarm the law abiding to create more dependency on government and hence more government control.

The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.

I'm so tired of hearing that line of bullshit. You and your AR are not a match for a single squad of semi-retired national gaurdsmen. If the big evil government decides to come for you you are done, and it doesn't matter haw many semiautomatic rifles you have.

So you think people in the military wouldn't rebel against the government for any reason?