What makes Israel so special?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel is an apartheid state. We should give em the cold shoulder instead of all kinds of money that finances those squatters.
We do it because the Israelites stir up shit in the ME, given us an excuse to spend some of our bloated "defense"budget.

We should give em the cold shoulder instead of all kinds of money that finances those squatters.

I agree, we need to cut off those terrorist Arab squatters.

 

[Hector12]

In other words - a U.S. outpost - on stolen land.

Israel is not stolen. Israel is on land paid for and conquered from Arabs who wanted to kill all the Jews there.

 

[Kruska]

Keep defending subhumans who decapitate babies Lakhota

Who made an absolute minority of Muslims and Palestinians to become "sub-humans" in the first place? right, Israel and the USA
You are a Nazi inspired moron - bye bye.

 

[Hector12]

BS Filter said:
God gave that a land to Hebrews thousands of years ago

Got proof of ownership?

This is what the Koran says abut the right of the Children of Israel to the Land of Israel:

Surah V:20 And (remember) when Moses said unto his people: O my people! Remember Allah’s favoour unto you, how he placed among you Prophets, and He made you kings, and gave you that (which) He gave not to any (other) creatures. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely ye turn back as losers.

Surah XVII:104 And we said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land, but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass, we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.


This is what the Bible has to say about the right of the Jews to the land of Israel:

Genesis 12:6-7 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

Genesis 13:14-15 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

 

[Kruska]

Israel is not stolen.

Off course it is.

Israel is on land paid for

What did Israel pay? and to whom?

and conquered from Arabs who wanted to kill all the Jews there.

Factually it was Jewish terrorists like Haganah, Palmach, Irgun and the Stern gang, who murdered British and Arabs first.
That there were also actions by Palestinian-Arabs killing Jewish people - only upon the Balfour declaration, is certainly correct.

The Palestinian Arabs were never asked nor involved in any discussions when Britain simply decided to grant a Jewish homeland in Palestine, allocating areas to Jews, that had been settled by Palestinian-Arabs since 2000 years!!! That's how the whole shit got started.

AFTER the Israelis defeated the Arab legion in 1949 and had occupied Palestinian-Arab lands - militant Palestinian-Arab groups such as Fatah (founded in the early 50'ies) vowed to kill all the Jews or drive them out. Try to get your history straight.

 

[Hector12]

Off course it is.

What did Israel pay? and to whom?

Factually it was Jewish terrorists like Haganah, Palmach, Irgun and the Stern gang, who murdered British and Arabs first.
That there were also actions by Palestinian-Arabs killing Jewish people - only upon the Balfour declaration, is certainly correct.

The Palestinian Arabs were never asked nor involved in any discussions when Britain simply decided to grant a Jewish homeland in Palestine, allocating areas to Jews, that had been settled by Palestinian-Arabs since 2000 years!!! That's how the whole shit got started.

AFTER the Israelis defeated the Arab legion in 1949 and had occupied Palestinian-Arab lands - militant Palestinian-Arab groups such as Fatah (founded in the early 50'ies) vowed to kill all the Jews or drive them out. Try to get your history straight.

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During the beginning of the twentieth century Jewish settlers to what became Israel bought land form the Turkish land lords who owned it. Very few Palestinians owned the land they live on.

 

[Kruska]

BS Filter said:
God gave that a land to Hebrews thousands of years ago




This is what the Koran says abut the right of the Children of Israel to the Land of Israel:

Surah V:20 And (remember) when Moses said unto his people: O my people! Remember Allah’s favoour unto you, how he placed among you Prophets, and He made you kings, and gave you that (which) He gave not to any (other) creatures. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely ye turn back as losers.

Surah XVII:104 And we said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land, but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass, we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.


This is what the Bible has to say about the right of the Jews to the land of Israel:

Genesis 12:6-7 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

Genesis 13:14-15 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

No one with common sense and modern education gives a shit about what the self-written Jewish Bible, the NT or the self-written Muslim Koran says/states in regards to Israel - aka the "Promised land" or the "Holy Land". Manipulated religion and cults, is what got a hundreds of millions of people on this plant killed.

 

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[Toddsterpatriot]

Off course it is.

What did Israel pay? and to whom?

Factually it was Jewish terrorists like Haganah, Palmach, Irgun and the Stern gang, who murdered British and Arabs first.
That there were also actions by Palestinian-Arabs killing Jewish people - only upon the Balfour declaration, is certainly correct.

The Palestinian Arabs were never asked nor involved in any discussions when Britain simply decided to grant a Jewish homeland in Palestine, allocating areas to Jews, that had been settled by Palestinian-Arabs since 2000 years!!! That's how the whole shit got started.

AFTER the Israelis defeated the Arab legion in 1949 and had occupied Palestinian-Arab lands - militant Palestinian-Arab groups such as Fatah (founded in the early 50'ies) vowed to kill all the Jews or drive them out. Try to get your history straight.

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Why does the 1947 map consider Ottoman land to be Palestinian?
Why does the 1949-1967 map consider Jordanian and Egyptian land to be Palestinian?

 

[Kruska]

During the beginning of the twentieth century Jewish settlers to what became Israel bought land form the Turkish land lords who owned it. Very few Palestinians owned the land they live on.

What does this have to do with the State of Israel? - nothing. If (as I "a German") have privately bought land in Colorado - so Colorado and the USA now belong to me? and to Germany or what?

See e.g. the Dutch settlers trading the land to build New Amsterdam for whatever, with the locals living there. As such New Amsterdam doesn't belong to Holland - unless the Indians unknowingly sold off their land to the Dutch Government. Since there was no Israel government before 1948 - previous Jewish owned land, therefore is simply private owned land that belongs to a Jewish person, with e.g. a Russian or German passport, or being recognized as a local resident of Palestine.

In the past 2000 years - the vast and absolute majority were Palestinian-Arabs. If someone came in as a conqueror such as the Mameluke's, Baghdad and Damask caliphates, Crusaders, Mongols, Ottomans, British and French - land ownership and therefore, "maybe" affected private land ownership was simply rearranged.

And this was clearly also taken into account - when the British allocated dozens of mini portions of land to be the Jewish Homeland !! New Jewish immigrants settling on land that either already belonged to Jewish people or due to a majority of Jews living at a certain place the British allocated additional Palestinian-Arab owned land, in which the Palestinian-Arabs never had a say. - Take a look onto the map I had already provided. and again.
It is absolutely obvious that the British NEVER intended to create an Israel. But a Palestine State, inhabited with Palestinian-Arabs and Jewish people. Who were supposed/expected to form and run a unified government and State. (factually an Utopia).

Ben-Gurion and the Zionist circles had recognized this Utopia already in the 20'ies, so had the Palestinian-Arabs, e.g. the Palestinian-Arab Mufti of Jerusalem. Only due to the holocaust, a huge -never expected/envisioned number of Jewish people - set out for this far too small and economically unsustainable patch-work home land. The British realized the problem of the thus rising violence - therefore factually stopping/forbidding Jewish immigrants to enter.

The Zionist Jews had a huge advantage over the Palestinian-Arabs - a united and internationally recognized Jewish council - something the Palestinian-Arabs never had - and maybe even more important, thousands of WW2 battle experienced Jews that had formerly served with the Allied armies.

Ben-Gurion naturally realized this Utopia and wanted an own Jewish State. That the Jewish patch-work territories could never form a realistic territorial nation that would be economically sustainable was also obvious to him. Therefore using his terror aka militia organizations to forcefully annex Palestinian-Arab lands or to simply intimidate them to leave. The attack by the Arab legion - aka Arab League only slowed down the Zionist ambitions. Their factual ambition since 1920 was always clear - drive out the Palestinian-Arabs if they are not willing to be ruled by a Jewish State.

NONE of the above aforementioned civilizations or nations displaced and drove of the Palestinian-Arabs from their lands - only the new State of Israel did that, until today. See the colonization/settlement and forceful displacement of the local population in the later USA. - exactly the same procedure.

So much for the past and present.
Present Fact and Problem:

There are around 7 million Jewish people and 2 million Palestinian-Arabs living in Israel and around 14 million Palestinian-Arabs that possess no sovereign homeland. And a lot of people on this Forum believe that both sides should simply keep on murdering and killing each other - especially Israelis killing Palestinian-Arabs. Very sad, utterly sad - at least to me.

 

[Kruska]

Why does the 1947 map consider Ottoman land to be Palestinian?

San Remo Conference - British mandate Palestine in 1920

Why does the 1949-1967 map consider Jordanian and Egyptian land to be Palestinian?

There is no Egyptian land or territory in British Palestine in 1949 - where do you see that?
The Kingdom of Egypt became independent in 1922.

There is no Jordanian land or territory in British Palestine in 1949 - where do you see that?
Former Emirate of Trans-Jordan (part of British Palestine in 1917) became independent as Kingdom of Jordan in 1946.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

San Remo Conference - British mandate Palestine in 1920

There is no Egyptian land or territory in British Palestine in 1949 - where do you see that?
The Kingdom of Egypt became independent in 1922.

There is no Jordanian land or territory in British Palestine in 1949 - where do you see that?
Former Emirate of Trans-Jordan (part of British Palestine in 1917) became independent as Kingdom of Jordan in 1946.

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San Remo Conference - British mandate Palestine in 1920

Where did that give Ottoman land to Arab squatters?

There is no Egyptian land or territory in British Palestine in 1949

Gaza.

There is no Jordanian land or territory in British Palestine in 1949

East Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria.

where do you see that?

Your stupid map.

 

[Kruska]

San Remo Conference - British mandate Palestine in 1920

Where did that give Ottoman land to Arab squatters?

First off all they weren't squatters - but "indigenous people" living on their own land, that was ruled/administered by the Ottoman Empire till the British took effective control of it in 1920. Neither did the Ottomans simpy requisition land that was owned by Jewish people. Just because the Union won the war, doesn't imply that they took over or confiscated private property from people having lived in the former Confederacy and allocated it to Yankees only.

There is no Egyptian land or territory in British Palestine in 1949

Gaza.

Gaza wasn't Egyptian territory in 1920 - nor in 1948/9.

There is no Jordanian land or territory in British Palestine in 1949

East Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria.

It did not belong to the Kingdom of Jordan in 1948/9 - but to British Palestine.

where do you see that?

Your stupid map.

Not the map - but maybe the one who can't read a map. or is able to read up onto history by himself.

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[Toddsterpatriot]

First off all they weren't squatters - but "indigenous people" living on their own land, that was ruled/administered by the Ottoman Empire till the British took effective control of it in 1920. Neither did the Ottomans simpy requisition land that was owned by Jewish people. Just because the Union won the war, doesn't imply that they took over or confiscated private property from people having lived in the former Confederacy and allocated it to Yankees only.

Gaza wasn't Egyptian territory in 1920 - nor in 1948/9.

It did not belong to the Kingdom of Jordan in 1948/9 - but to British Palestine.

Not the map - but maybe the one who can't read a map. or is able to read up onto history by himself.

First off all they weren't squatters - but "indigenous people" living on their own land, that was ruled/administered by the Ottoman Empire till the British took effective control of it in 1920.

They were renting from the Ottomans or squatting on Ottoman land.
If you rent a house and the owner dies, you don't suddenly own the house.

Gaza wasn't Egyptian territory in 1920 - nor in 1948/9.

When did Egypt control Gaza?

It did not belong to the Kingdom of Jordan in 1948/9 - but to British Palestine.

When did Jordan control East Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria?

Not the map

Yes. Your map shows land controlled by Egypt and Jordan as "Palestinian" land.
It was never controlled by "Palestine" as "Palestine" didn't exist under the Ottomans, under the British, under the Egyptians, under the Jordanians or today under the Israelis.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

You are a hopeless moron - bye bye.

Only morons would think that Socialism/Communism would be a good way of life. I know, got to Cuba or Venezuela for a few years, and get back with US on your findings...

 

[Kruska]

First off all they weren't squatters - but "indigenous people" living on their own land, that was ruled/administered by the Ottoman Empire till the British took effective control of it in 1920.

They were renting from the Ottomans or squatting on Ottoman land.
If you rent a house and the owner dies, you don't suddenly own the house.

Who ever stated that the Palestinian-Arabs all rented? even if those who rented, who states that they didn't rent from another Palestinian-Arab? The Ottomans controlled their Empire - they didn't own the land of the Empire, does the US government own all the land in the USA?

Gaza wasn't Egyptian territory in 1920 - nor in 1948/9.

When did Egypt control Gaza?

They "controlled" it upon the Israeli/Arab war in 1948/49, they never owned it - don't you know how to google?

It did not belong to the Kingdom of Jordan in 1948/9 - but to British Palestine.

When did Jordan control East Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria?

They "controlled" it upon the Israeli/Arab war in 1948/49, they never owned it - don't you know how to google?

"Palestine" didn't exist under the Ottomans, under the British, under the Egyptians, under the Jordanians or today under the Israelis.

How ignorant are you?
It was officially termed - British Mandate for PALESTINE are you too dumb to look onto a map? see post # 112
Post #111 shows the Partition plan of Palestine in 1947 = Green Palestinian-Arab Land / White Jewish land.

And that Partition Plan was opposed by the Arab league - since at the time around 80% of the population were Palestinian-Arabs who would have only received 50% of British Palestine.

 

[Hector12]

There are around 7 million Jewish people and 2 million Palestinian-Arabs living in Israel and around 14 million Palestinian-Arabs that possess no sovereign homeland. And a lot of people on this Forum believe that both sides should simply keep on murdering and killing each other - especially Israelis killing Palestinian-Arabs. Very sad, utterly sad - at least to me.

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That map delights me. It shows that the Jews are gradually pushing the Palestinians out.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who ever stated that the Palestinian-Arabs all rented? even if those who rented, who states that they didn't rent from another Palestinian-Arab? The Ottomans controlled their Empire - they didn't own the land of the Empire, does the US government own all the land in the USA?

They "controlled" it upon the Israeli/Arab war in 1948/49, they never owned it - don't you know how to google?

They "controlled" it upon the Israeli/Arab war in 1948/49, they never owned it - don't you know how to google?

How ignorant are you?
It was officially termed - British Mandate for PALESTINE are you too dumb to look onto a map? see post # 112
Post #111 shows the Partition plan of Palestine in 1947 = Green Palestinian-Arab Land / White Jewish land.

And that Partition Plan was opposed by the Arab league - since at the time around 80% of the population were Palestinian-Arabs who would have only received 50% of British Palestine.

Who ever stated that the Palestinian-Arabs all rented?

The ones that weren't renters were squatters.

They "controlled" it upon the Israeli/Arab war in 1948/49

The Palestinian government didn't control Gaza? Weird.

They "controlled" it upon the Israeli/Arab war in 1948/49

The Palestinian government didn't control East Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria?? Weird.

It was officially termed - British Mandate for PALESTINE

Right. But there was no nation of Palestine.

Post #111 shows the Partition plan of Palestine in 1947 = Green Palestinian-Arab Land / White Jewish land.

The plan the Arabs rejected?

And that Partition Plan was opposed by the Arab league - since at the time around 80% of the population were Palestinian-Arabs who would have only received 50% of British Palestine.

Jordan is much more than 50%.
And if they'd accepted the partition plan, they'd have gotten more than 50% of the rest.
It seems they have much, much less now than what they were offered. Idiots.

 

[Ringo]

The Italian embassy published a photo on its social network X page in which they illuminated the Arch of Titus in Rome with the flag of Israel and the Jewish Star of David. By doing so, the Italian authorities wanted to show "support for Israel against Hamas and Palestinian militants."

However, one has yet to find a less favorable historical location for such an action: the Arch of Titus was erected by his brother, Emperor Domitian, to commemorate Rome's victory over the rebellious Jews and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Many Jews regard those events as an act of genocide.