What Makes Poor People Poor? - Special Segment

[Ame®icano]

Democrats: a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that the other rich people are the reason they're poor.

Democrats support raising taxes on the wealthy, even themselves if they are wealthy
Rich Republicans vote to slash their own taxes and cut benefits to the poor

how are those benefits helping the poor???

so far its done more harm than good and prolonged their suffering,

its time they learn to live or die by their own accord ;like the rest of the world does

Benefits like food stamps, housing, healthcare help to support them
Benefits like job training, low cost business loans, educational grants help to rise out of poverty

No poor person has ever done better by taking benefits away

What have Republicans done to help the poor other than build more prisons?

I completely disagree with you.

I can think of several direct examples where people clearly did better when benefits were removed.

You have to understand that there is a mindset that effects long term results.

The number one factor in you moving up from where you are in life, is you yourself being willing to change, to adapt, to grow, and to climb up from where you are.

If you as an individual, believe that it is the job of someone else, or the job of society, to move you up from where you are.... then what reason do you have to put in the effort to change, or to improve yourself? Why should you have to work towards making a better life, if it is societies job to do that for you?

Of course you have no reason to put in your own effort if it is some other persons job to improve your life.

But if you wake up in the morning, and realize that it is 100% your job to improve your life, and absolutely no one is going to improve your life for you, suddenly you have motivation to do what you need to do.

Now if you doubt this, I can give you dozens of examples.

I think likely the most telling of all examples was when I worked at the homeless shelter. During the tour, they explained that people are only allowed to stay there for a specific amount of time, and then they must leave.

They found that if people were allowed to stay indefinitely, then they ended up not doing anything to get a job and find their own apartment. If they had a set time limit, people would join their free job placement program, and get the free training programs.

Why? Because they knew it was up to them to move up. Not up to the shelter to take care of them for life.

Now if a charity organization can figure out what is best for people.... I think you can see how this applies to society at large.

And if you need a more direct example, look at the welfare reform of the 1990s. Welfare reform reduced people living off of welfare by 50%. Welfare rolls went from 13 Million to under 5 Million.

What happened to all those people? They got jobs, and the economy improved.

Goals or having others set goals seem to be the catalyst for all of us. How many times to you see people get jobs as their unemployment is set to expire, or a guy loses his job and creates a new business.

There is a guy in our city that was at the mission, down on his luck, drinking and was at the bottom. he set some goals and now in a few short years has several furniture stores and gives back to the community.

Desperation is a great motivator and works more often than not.

The welfare queens in the US are not desperate, and their only motivation is to stay on welfare.

 

[Andylusion]

Being poor is a problem for said poor person. Not a problem for our republic. Every nation will always have poor people. That will never change no matter how much money you collectivist/socialists steal...

lol. why blame the poor. the rich are the ones getting richer faster.

I didn't blame them. I said it's their problem. Don't make your problems, my problems.

it is our problem; providing for the general welfare is a general power.

It's only my problem in regard to my money being taken against my will, and misused. General welfare, never meant food stamp welfare, or relief from occupying the bottom rind of the wealth ladder...

It is not taken against your will
You get to vote for candidates who support your views

Your problem is nobody else wants an anarchist

Huh? Really? So if we vote to take your home.... and hey, we voted... so we can evict you, and put homeless people in your house.... you would be on here saying your house wasn't taken against your will because you voted?

You are an idiot again. Dumbest asinine logic from left-wingers.

If you ever had your property confiscated from you, the way you support taking property from others... you would never support such a system.

This is why all the 1970s hippies came back capitalists. They actually tried to live out their ideology. They went and lived in communes... found out it sucked like hell, and came back Capitalists.

Only mindless fools who have ever lived under the ideology they proclaim, still think it's a great idea.

That's why you see the Cuban exiles in Florida are all Ronald Reagan Conservatives, and their children are all Socialist Democrats. Their parents all lived out what socialism is like, and see how much it sucked. Their children sit around thinking Socialism is great only because they never lived it.

This is why you are seeing this influx of all these Venezuelans, that are all generally on the right-wing. Because eating the family dog to survive, sucks.

 

[Ame®icano]

Already proven that you have no cure, so please quit trolling.

that is the cure. solving for that market recognizable phenomena.

Again, it isn't sustainable and you have given no support to your theory that it is. Again, prove it, quite simple even for you.

It is quite sustainable. A positive multiplier effect and automatic stabilization of our economy, along with enabling more tax revenue to be raised and more demand to be created. Grow our economy we must, as much as we want.

Been there done that, I'm not interested in your lies, again you troll.

you understand nothing about economics. higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

Where, in Venezuela?

 

[progressive hunter]

Being poor is a problem for said poor person. Not a problem for our republic. Every nation will always have poor people. That will never change no matter how much money you collectivist/socialists steal...

lol. why blame the poor. the rich are the ones getting richer faster.

I didn't blame them. I said it's their problem. Don't make your problems, my problems.

it is our problem; providing for the general welfare is a general power.

It's only my problem in regard to my money being taken against my will, and misused. General welfare, never meant food stamp welfare, or relief from occupying the bottom rind of the wealth ladder...

It is not taken against your will
You get to vote for candidates who support your views

Your problem is nobody else wants an anarchist

if its not against my will then why is the gun pointed at my head
and thats why we are not a democracy,,,

 

[Papageorgio]

Can you name them or they some imaginary creature you dreamed up?

I gave you some references. It is up to you. Why blame the Poor.

You gave me absolutely nothing, you are claiming that the rich are too big to fail, your references are for corporate welfare and for the 2008 TARP, which had nothing to do with people and had everything to do with big banks and car manufacturers that should have been allowed to fail. So you blaming the rich is just a cop out for you to again be lazy.

I never blamed the poor, it is just your way of trying to change the subject because you realized you have been schooled.

tax cut economics is socialized income redistribution that benefits the richest the most.

Why is that?

they can purchase the most influence with their capital under our form of capitalism.

That wasn't my question, my question is why do they benefit most from tax cuts? I'm benefiting from tax cuts and I am not a 1%er.

 

[Vastator]

Being poor is a problem for said poor person. Not a problem for our republic. Every nation will always have poor people. That will never change no matter how much money you collectivist/socialists steal...

lol. why blame the poor. the rich are the ones getting richer faster.

I didn't blame them. I said it's their problem. Don't make your problems, my problems.

it is our problem; providing for the general welfare is a general power.

It's only my problem in regard to my money being taken against my will, and misused. General welfare, never meant food stamp welfare, or relief from occupying the bottom rind of the wealth ladder...

It is not taken against your will
You get to vote for candidates who support your views

Your problem is nobody else wants an anarchist

Yeah... Sure chief... And a woman's not a victim, if she's offered the chance to choose who starts the gang rape... Lol...

 

[Papageorgio]

you keep repeating that,,,but the record is clear it harms the country nmore than it helps

what record is clear where? the right wing tells plenty of stories.

You seem to tell pretty good lies, why blame others and not include your lies?

i resort to the fewest fallacies; unlike those of the opposing view.

So you admit to lying, that's what I thought.

dear, you obviously can't handle resorting to the fewest fallacies.

You lied and admitted it, all your crying won't change your word.

 

[progressive hunter]

I gave you some references. It is up to you. Why blame the Poor.

You gave me absolutely nothing, you are claiming that the rich are too big to fail, your references are for corporate welfare and for the 2008 TARP, which had nothing to do with people and had everything to do with big banks and car manufacturers that should have been allowed to fail. So you blaming the rich is just a cop out for you to again be lazy.

I never blamed the poor, it is just your way of trying to change the subject because you realized you have been schooled.

tax cut economics is socialized income redistribution that benefits the richest the most.

Why is that?

they can purchase the most influence with their capital under our form of capitalism.

That wasn't my question, my question is why do they benefit most from tax cuts? I'm benefiting from tax cuts and I am not a 1%er.

try looking at the increase in costs and your tax cut doesnt mean anything

 

[danielpalos]

Democrats support raising taxes on the wealthy, even themselves if they are wealthy
Rich Republicans vote to slash their own taxes and cut benefits to the poor

how are those benefits helping the poor???

so far its done more harm than good and prolonged their suffering,

its time they learn to live or die by their own accord ;like the rest of the world does

Benefits like food stamps, housing, healthcare help to support them
Benefits like job training, low cost business loans, educational grants help to rise out of poverty

No poor person has ever done better by taking benefits away

What have Republicans done to help the poor other than build more prisons?

I completely disagree with you.

I can think of several direct examples where people clearly did better when benefits were removed.

You have to understand that there is a mindset that effects long term results.

The number one factor in you moving up from where you are in life, is you yourself being willing to change, to adapt, to grow, and to climb up from where you are.

If you as an individual, believe that it is the job of someone else, or the job of society, to move you up from where you are.... then what reason do you have to put in the effort to change, or to improve yourself? Why should you have to work towards making a better life, if it is societies job to do that for you?

Of course you have no reason to put in your own effort if it is some other persons job to improve your life.

But if you wake up in the morning, and realize that it is 100% your job to improve your life, and absolutely no one is going to improve your life for you, suddenly you have motivation to do what you need to do.

Now if you doubt this, I can give you dozens of examples.

I think likely the most telling of all examples was when I worked at the homeless shelter. During the tour, they explained that people are only allowed to stay there for a specific amount of time, and then they must leave.

They found that if people were allowed to stay indefinitely, then they ended up not doing anything to get a job and find their own apartment. If they had a set time limit, people would join their free job placement program, and get the free training programs.

Why? Because they knew it was up to them to move up. Not up to the shelter to take care of them for life.

Now if a charity organization can figure out what is best for people.... I think you can see how this applies to society at large.

And if you need a more direct example, look at the welfare reform of the 1990s. Welfare reform reduced people living off of welfare by 50%. Welfare rolls went from 13 Million to under 5 Million.

What happened to all those people? They got jobs, and the economy improved.

Goals or having others set goals seem to be the catalyst for all of us. How many times to you see people get jobs as their unemployment is set to expire, or a guy loses his job and creates a new business.

There is a guy in our city that was at the mission, down on his luck, drinking and was at the bottom. he set some goals and now in a few short years has several furniture stores and gives back to the community.

Desperation is a great motivator and works more often than not.

The welfare queens in the US are not desperate, and their only motivation is to stay on welfare.

Means testing does that. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed is much more cost effective and market friendly.

 

[danielpalos]

that is the cure. solving for that market recognizable phenomena.

Again, it isn't sustainable and you have given no support to your theory that it is. Again, prove it, quite simple even for you.

It is quite sustainable. A positive multiplier effect and automatic stabilization of our economy, along with enabling more tax revenue to be raised and more demand to be created. Grow our economy we must, as much as we want.

Been there done that, I'm not interested in your lies, again you troll.

you understand nothing about economics. higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

Where, in Venezuela?

any first world economy; we can Never compete on Cheap labor with the rest of the less developed world.

 

[danielpalos]

I gave you some references. It is up to you. Why blame the Poor.

You gave me absolutely nothing, you are claiming that the rich are too big to fail, your references are for corporate welfare and for the 2008 TARP, which had nothing to do with people and had everything to do with big banks and car manufacturers that should have been allowed to fail. So you blaming the rich is just a cop out for you to again be lazy.

I never blamed the poor, it is just your way of trying to change the subject because you realized you have been schooled.

tax cut economics is socialized income redistribution that benefits the richest the most.

Why is that?

they can purchase the most influence with their capital under our form of capitalism.

That wasn't my question, my question is why do they benefit most from tax cuts? I'm benefiting from tax cuts and I am not a 1%er.

those public policies which favor those with the most capital; it is currently being financed at the Peoples' expense on the Peoples' Debt.

 

[danielpalos]

what record is clear where? the right wing tells plenty of stories.

You seem to tell pretty good lies, why blame others and not include your lies?

i resort to the fewest fallacies; unlike those of the opposing view.

So you admit to lying, that's what I thought.

dear, you obviously can't handle resorting to the fewest fallacies.

You lied and admitted it, all your crying won't change your word.

i don't need to lie. i understand the topics i argue.

 

[Ame®icano]

how are those benefits helping the poor???

so far its done more harm than good and prolonged their suffering,

its time they learn to live or die by their own accord ;like the rest of the world does

Benefits like food stamps, housing, healthcare help to support them
Benefits like job training, low cost business loans, educational grants help to rise out of poverty

No poor person has ever done better by taking benefits away

What have Republicans done to help the poor other than build more prisons?

I completely disagree with you.

I can think of several direct examples where people clearly did better when benefits were removed.

You have to understand that there is a mindset that effects long term results.

The number one factor in you moving up from where you are in life, is you yourself being willing to change, to adapt, to grow, and to climb up from where you are.

If you as an individual, believe that it is the job of someone else, or the job of society, to move you up from where you are.... then what reason do you have to put in the effort to change, or to improve yourself? Why should you have to work towards making a better life, if it is societies job to do that for you?

Of course you have no reason to put in your own effort if it is some other persons job to improve your life.

But if you wake up in the morning, and realize that it is 100% your job to improve your life, and absolutely no one is going to improve your life for you, suddenly you have motivation to do what you need to do.

Now if you doubt this, I can give you dozens of examples.

I think likely the most telling of all examples was when I worked at the homeless shelter. During the tour, they explained that people are only allowed to stay there for a specific amount of time, and then they must leave.

They found that if people were allowed to stay indefinitely, then they ended up not doing anything to get a job and find their own apartment. If they had a set time limit, people would join their free job placement program, and get the free training programs.

Why? Because they knew it was up to them to move up. Not up to the shelter to take care of them for life.

Now if a charity organization can figure out what is best for people.... I think you can see how this applies to society at large.

And if you need a more direct example, look at the welfare reform of the 1990s. Welfare reform reduced people living off of welfare by 50%. Welfare rolls went from 13 Million to under 5 Million.

What happened to all those people? They got jobs, and the economy improved.

Goals or having others set goals seem to be the catalyst for all of us. How many times to you see people get jobs as their unemployment is set to expire, or a guy loses his job and creates a new business.

There is a guy in our city that was at the mission, down on his luck, drinking and was at the bottom. he set some goals and now in a few short years has several furniture stores and gives back to the community.

Desperation is a great motivator and works more often than not.

The welfare queens in the US are not desperate, and their only motivation is to stay on welfare.

Means testing does that. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed is much more cost effective and market friendly.

"Simply being unemployed" for twenty years, or just lost a job and need temporary help are completely different things.

The later is already covered by the unemployment benefits that are earned while working. You jumping over the fence, and "simply being unemployable", and demanding money for just breathing doesn't benefit anyone but you. No thanks.

 

[danielpalos]

Benefits like food stamps, housing, healthcare help to support them
Benefits like job training, low cost business loans, educational grants help to rise out of poverty

No poor person has ever done better by taking benefits away

What have Republicans done to help the poor other than build more prisons?

I completely disagree with you.

I can think of several direct examples where people clearly did better when benefits were removed.

You have to understand that there is a mindset that effects long term results.

The number one factor in you moving up from where you are in life, is you yourself being willing to change, to adapt, to grow, and to climb up from where you are.

If you as an individual, believe that it is the job of someone else, or the job of society, to move you up from where you are.... then what reason do you have to put in the effort to change, or to improve yourself? Why should you have to work towards making a better life, if it is societies job to do that for you?

Of course you have no reason to put in your own effort if it is some other persons job to improve your life.

But if you wake up in the morning, and realize that it is 100% your job to improve your life, and absolutely no one is going to improve your life for you, suddenly you have motivation to do what you need to do.

Now if you doubt this, I can give you dozens of examples.

I think likely the most telling of all examples was when I worked at the homeless shelter. During the tour, they explained that people are only allowed to stay there for a specific amount of time, and then they must leave.

They found that if people were allowed to stay indefinitely, then they ended up not doing anything to get a job and find their own apartment. If they had a set time limit, people would join their free job placement program, and get the free training programs.

Why? Because they knew it was up to them to move up. Not up to the shelter to take care of them for life.

Now if a charity organization can figure out what is best for people.... I think you can see how this applies to society at large.

And if you need a more direct example, look at the welfare reform of the 1990s. Welfare reform reduced people living off of welfare by 50%. Welfare rolls went from 13 Million to under 5 Million.

What happened to all those people? They got jobs, and the economy improved.

Goals or having others set goals seem to be the catalyst for all of us. How many times to you see people get jobs as their unemployment is set to expire, or a guy loses his job and creates a new business.

There is a guy in our city that was at the mission, down on his luck, drinking and was at the bottom. he set some goals and now in a few short years has several furniture stores and gives back to the community.

Desperation is a great motivator and works more often than not.

The welfare queens in the US are not desperate, and their only motivation is to stay on welfare.

Means testing does that. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed is much more cost effective and market friendly.

"Simply being unemployed" for twenty years, or just lost a job and need temporary help are completely different things.

The later is already covered by the unemployment benefits that are earned while working. You jumping over the fence, and "simply being unemployable", and demanding money for just breathing doesn't benefit anyone but you. No thanks.

the Law is employment at the will of either party.

it is more cost effective and market friendly than means tested welfare.



we have a naturalization clause not an immigration clause; everyone is a tourist until they qualify for naturalization.

 

[Andylusion]

that is the cure. solving for that market recognizable phenomena.

Again, it isn't sustainable and you have given no support to your theory that it is. Again, prove it, quite simple even for you.

It is quite sustainable. A positive multiplier effect and automatic stabilization of our economy, along with enabling more tax revenue to be raised and more demand to be created. Grow our economy we must, as much as we want.

Been there done that, I'm not interested in your lies, again you troll.

you understand nothing about economics. higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

Where, in Venezuela?

Venezuelans eat rats and dogs as the economy collapses | Daily Mail Online

Absolutely EVERYWHERE in Venezuela.

I'd love to see PETA go down there.

 

[danielpalos]

Again, it isn't sustainable and you have given no support to your theory that it is. Again, prove it, quite simple even for you.

It is quite sustainable. A positive multiplier effect and automatic stabilization of our economy, along with enabling more tax revenue to be raised and more demand to be created. Grow our economy we must, as much as we want.

Been there done that, I'm not interested in your lies, again you troll.

you understand nothing about economics. higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

Where, in Venezuela?

Venezuelans eat rats and dogs as the economy collapses | Daily Mail Online

Absolutely EVERYWHERE in Venezuela.

I'd love to see PETA go down there.

Venezuela is a federal republic. Thank Goodness FDR was a left winger.

 

[Vastator]

Again, it isn't sustainable and you have given no support to your theory that it is. Again, prove it, quite simple even for you.

It is quite sustainable. A positive multiplier effect and automatic stabilization of our economy, along with enabling more tax revenue to be raised and more demand to be created. Grow our economy we must, as much as we want.

Been there done that, I'm not interested in your lies, again you troll.

you understand nothing about economics. higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

Where, in Venezuela?

any first world economy; we can Never compete on Cheap labor with the rest of the less developed world.

Which demonstrates the failure of minimum wage requirments.

 

[danielpalos]

It is quite sustainable. A positive multiplier effect and automatic stabilization of our economy, along with enabling more tax revenue to be raised and more demand to be created. Grow our economy we must, as much as we want.

Been there done that, I'm not interested in your lies, again you troll.

you understand nothing about economics. higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

Where, in Venezuela?

any first world economy; we can Never compete on Cheap labor with the rest of the less developed world.

Which demonstrates the failure of minimum wage requirments.

not for our First World. Labor needs to be able to contribute.

 

[Papageorgio]

Already proven that you have no cure, so please quit trolling.

that is the cure. solving for that market recognizable phenomena.

Again, it isn't sustainable and you have given no support to your theory that it is. Again, prove it, quite simple even for you.

It is quite sustainable. A positive multiplier effect and automatic stabilization of our economy, along with enabling more tax revenue to be raised and more demand to be created. Grow our economy we must, as much as we want.

Been there done that, I'm not interested in your lies, again you troll.

you understand nothing about economics. higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

So we should pay everyone $100 an hour or how about $400 an hour, that would work well wouldn't it?

 

[Papageorgio]

You gave me absolutely nothing, you are claiming that the rich are too big to fail, your references are for corporate welfare and for the 2008 TARP, which had nothing to do with people and had everything to do with big banks and car manufacturers that should have been allowed to fail. So you blaming the rich is just a cop out for you to again be lazy.

I never blamed the poor, it is just your way of trying to change the subject because you realized you have been schooled.

tax cut economics is socialized income redistribution that benefits the richest the most.

Why is that?

they can purchase the most influence with their capital under our form of capitalism.

That wasn't my question, my question is why do they benefit most from tax cuts? I'm benefiting from tax cuts and I am not a 1%er.

those public policies which favor those with the most capital; it is currently being financed at the Peoples' expense on the Peoples' Debt.

Again, you can't answer simple questions? Why does the rich as you claim, benefit most from the tax cuts?