What Makes Poor People Poor? - Special Segment

[danielpalos]

Benefits like food stamps, housing, healthcare help to support them
Benefits like job training, low cost business loans, educational grants help to rise out of poverty

No poor person has ever done better by taking benefits away

What have Republicans done to help the poor other than build more prisons?

how would you know since its never been done

but what we do know for a fact is the majority of those that receive them never get out

and it also is not the job of the feds to steal from the majority and give to a minority

is time the communities step up and help their neighbors not the feds by stealing

Generational welfare is the exception

It is the job of the Government to help those who need help

but its hurting more than it helps,,,thats not the general welfare

all welfare is best if its from the community and not from the feds,,,they fuck up everything they touch

No way is helping people survive hurting them

Nowhere in the world have poor people done better by taking away basic sustenance

Taking money from me, my employees, and my neighbors isn't helping me, or us. I care about me, and mine. Not every other sorry bastard with a sob story...

you can afford it.

 

[Papageorgio]

how are those benefits helping the poor???

so far its done more harm than good and prolonged their suffering,

its time they learn to live or die by their own accord ;like the rest of the world does

Benefits like food stamps, housing, healthcare help to support them
Benefits like job training, low cost business loans, educational grants help to rise out of poverty

No poor person has ever done better by taking benefits away

What have Republicans done to help the poor other than build more prisons?

how would you know since its never been done

but what we do know for a fact is the majority of those that receive them never get out

and it also is not the job of the feds to steal from the majority and give to a minority

is time the communities step up and help their neighbors not the feds by stealing

Generational welfare is the exception

It is the job of the Government to help those who need help

When are they going to start helping? So far all government does is enable them to stay poor.

Means testing does that.

Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is more market friendly and cost effective.

Already proven that you have no cure, so please quit trolling.

 

[Papageorgio]

how are those benefits helping the poor???

so far its done more harm than good and prolonged their suffering,

its time they learn to live or die by their own accord ;like the rest of the world does

Benefits like food stamps, housing, healthcare help to support them
Benefits like job training, low cost business loans, educational grants help to rise out of poverty

No poor person has ever done better by taking benefits away

What have Republicans done to help the poor other than build more prisons?

how would you know since its never been done

but what we do know for a fact is the majority of those that receive them never get out

and it also is not the job of the feds to steal from the majority and give to a minority

is time the communities step up and help their neighbors not the feds by stealing

Generational welfare is the exception

It is the job of the Government to help those who need help

When are they going to start helping? So far all government does is enable them to stay poor.

They also provide educational assistance, jobs programs, small business loans

All voluntary, all do not get people back work and all have a failure rate that is higher than the success rate. So apparently those that claim to need help only want certian help, not real help.

 

[Vastator]

how would you know since its never been done

but what we do know for a fact is the majority of those that receive them never get out

and it also is not the job of the feds to steal from the majority and give to a minority

is time the communities step up and help their neighbors not the feds by stealing

Generational welfare is the exception

It is the job of the Government to help those who need help

but its hurting more than it helps,,,thats not the general welfare

all welfare is best if its from the community and not from the feds,,,they fuck up everything they touch

No way is helping people survive hurting them

Nowhere in the world have poor people done better by taking away basic sustenance

Taking money from me, my employees, and my neighbors isn't helping me, or us. I care about me, and mine. Not every other sorry bastard with a sob story...

you can afford it.

I decide what I can afford. Not you. My money is my business, and none of yours.

 

[danielpalos]

Benefits like food stamps, housing, healthcare help to support them
Benefits like job training, low cost business loans, educational grants help to rise out of poverty

No poor person has ever done better by taking benefits away

What have Republicans done to help the poor other than build more prisons?

how would you know since its never been done

but what we do know for a fact is the majority of those that receive them never get out

and it also is not the job of the feds to steal from the majority and give to a minority

is time the communities step up and help their neighbors not the feds by stealing

Generational welfare is the exception

It is the job of the Government to help those who need help

When are they going to start helping? So far all government does is enable them to stay poor.

Means testing does that.

Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is more market friendly and cost effective.

Already proven that you have no cure, so please quit trolling.

that is the cure. solving for that market recognizable phenomena.

 

[danielpalos]

Benefits like food stamps, housing, healthcare help to support them
Benefits like job training, low cost business loans, educational grants help to rise out of poverty

No poor person has ever done better by taking benefits away

What have Republicans done to help the poor other than build more prisons?

how would you know since its never been done

but what we do know for a fact is the majority of those that receive them never get out

and it also is not the job of the feds to steal from the majority and give to a minority

is time the communities step up and help their neighbors not the feds by stealing

Generational welfare is the exception

It is the job of the Government to help those who need help

When are they going to start helping? So far all government does is enable them to stay poor.

They also provide educational assistance, jobs programs, small business loans

All voluntary, all do not get people back work and all have a failure rate that is higher than the success rate. So apparently those that claim to need help only want certian help, not real help.

real help solves for real problems.

 

[danielpalos]

Generational welfare is the exception

It is the job of the Government to help those who need help

but its hurting more than it helps,,,thats not the general welfare

all welfare is best if its from the community and not from the feds,,,they fuck up everything they touch

No way is helping people survive hurting them

Nowhere in the world have poor people done better by taking away basic sustenance

Taking money from me, my employees, and my neighbors isn't helping me, or us. I care about me, and mine. Not every other sorry bastard with a sob story...

you can afford it.

I decide what I can afford. Not you. My money is my business, and none of yours.

the power to tax is delegated to Congress. they have the authority to solve the problems of our republic.

 

[Vastator]

but its hurting more than it helps,,,thats not the general welfare

all welfare is best if its from the community and not from the feds,,,they fuck up everything they touch

No way is helping people survive hurting them

Nowhere in the world have poor people done better by taking away basic sustenance

Taking money from me, my employees, and my neighbors isn't helping me, or us. I care about me, and mine. Not every other sorry bastard with a sob story...

you can afford it.

I decide what I can afford. Not you. My money is my business, and none of yours.

the power to tax is delegated to Congress. they have the authority to solve the problems of our republic.

And I as a voter, can vote against using my money to support the poor. And do.
I can also shrink my taxable income footprint in order to give less, as I see that it's being misappropriated. And do...

 

[Papageorgio]

I am against all corporate welfare, always have been. Now who are the rich that are too big to fail? I am not sure why you won't answer the simple questions, you seem to have trouble accounting for your words.

keeping up with terminology. unlike the right wing.

Too big to fail - Wikipedia

Still can’t answer the question? Who specifically are the rich that are too big to fail? Come on, name them, you claim they exist however you can’t name them?

the one percent. tax cut economics merely favors the rich at the expense of the Poor.

Can you name them or they some imaginary creature you dreamed up?

I gave you some references. It is up to you. Why blame the Poor.

You gave me absolutely nothing, you are claiming that the rich are too big to fail, your references are for corporate welfare and for the 2008 TARP, which had nothing to do with people and had everything to do with big banks and car manufacturers that should have been allowed to fail. So you blaming the rich is just a cop out for you to again be lazy.

I never blamed the poor, it is just your way of trying to change the subject because you realized you have been schooled.

 

[Vastator]

but its hurting more than it helps,,,thats not the general welfare

all welfare is best if its from the community and not from the feds,,,they fuck up everything they touch

No way is helping people survive hurting them

Nowhere in the world have poor people done better by taking away basic sustenance

Taking money from me, my employees, and my neighbors isn't helping me, or us. I care about me, and mine. Not every other sorry bastard with a sob story...

you can afford it.

I decide what I can afford. Not you. My money is my business, and none of yours.

the power to tax is delegated to Congress. they have the authority to solve the problems of our republic.

Being poor is a problem for said poor person. Not a problem for our republic. Every nation will always have poor people. That will never change no matter how much money you collectivist/socialists steal...

 

[Papageorgio]

but its hurting more than it helps,,,thats not the general welfare

all welfare is best if its from the community and not from the feds,,,they fuck up everything they touch

No way is helping people survive hurting them

Nowhere in the world have poor people done better by taking away basic sustenance

IF ITS BASIC THEN THEY CAN DO IT THEMSELVES

and like I said it would work better at a local level ,,and it would also be legal

Providing for the general welfare is a general power.

you keep repeating that,,,but the record is clear it harms the country nmore than it helps

what record is clear where? the right wing tells plenty of stories.

You seem to tell pretty good lies, why blame others and not include your lies?

 

[Papageorgio]

IF ITS BASIC THEN THEY CAN DO IT THEMSELVES

and like I said it would work better at a local level ,,and it would also be legal

Providing for the general welfare is a general power.

you keep repeating that,,,but the record is clear it harms the country nmore than it helps

what record is clear where? the right wing tells plenty of stories.

the fact that we have generational welfare that has produced millions of bastard children of single mothers that have no hope of a good life

with a more localized system those people have a better chance

misguided morals? it was a simple economic problem.

Throwing money at problems without a plan does not solve the issue, just expands the problem and causes further government greed.

 

[Papageorgio]

how would you know since its never been done

but what we do know for a fact is the majority of those that receive them never get out

and it also is not the job of the feds to steal from the majority and give to a minority

is time the communities step up and help their neighbors not the feds by stealing

Generational welfare is the exception

It is the job of the Government to help those who need help

When are they going to start helping? So far all government does is enable them to stay poor.

Means testing does that.

Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is more market friendly and cost effective.

Already proven that you have no cure, so please quit trolling.

that is the cure. solving for that market recognizable phenomena.

Again, it isn't sustainable and you have given no support to your theory that it is. Again, prove it, quite simple even for you.

 

[Papageorgio]

how would you know since its never been done

but what we do know for a fact is the majority of those that receive them never get out

and it also is not the job of the feds to steal from the majority and give to a minority

is time the communities step up and help their neighbors not the feds by stealing

Generational welfare is the exception

It is the job of the Government to help those who need help

When are they going to start helping? So far all government does is enable them to stay poor.

They also provide educational assistance, jobs programs, small business loans

All voluntary, all do not get people back work and all have a failure rate that is higher than the success rate. So apparently those that claim to need help only want certain help, not real help.

real help solves for real problems.

Then talk with your buddy rightwinger, because he is claiming it does work.

 

[Andylusion]

Democrats: a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that the other rich people are the reason they're poor.

Democrats support raising taxes on the wealthy, even themselves if they are wealthy
Rich Republicans vote to slash their own taxes and cut benefits to the poor

how are those benefits helping the poor???

so far its done more harm than good and prolonged their suffering,

its time they learn to live or die by their own accord ;like the rest of the world does

Benefits like food stamps, housing, healthcare help to support them
Benefits like job training, low cost business loans, educational grants help to rise out of poverty

No poor person has ever done better by taking benefits away

What have Republicans done to help the poor other than build more prisons?

I completely disagree with you.

I can think of several direct examples where people clearly did better when benefits were removed.

You have to understand that there is a mindset that effects long term results.

The number one factor in you moving up from where you are in life, is you yourself being willing to change, to adapt, to grow, and to climb up from where you are.

If you as an individual, believe that it is the job of someone else, or the job of society, to move you up from where you are.... then what reason do you have to put in the effort to change, or to improve yourself? Why should you have to work towards making a better life, if it is societies job to do that for you?

Of course you have no reason to put in your own effort if it is some other persons job to improve your life.

But if you wake up in the morning, and realize that it is 100% your job to improve your life, and absolutely no one is going to improve your life for you, suddenly you have motivation to do what you need to do.

Now if you doubt this, I can give you dozens of examples.

I think likely the most telling of all examples was when I worked at the homeless shelter. During the tour, they explained that people are only allowed to stay there for a specific amount of time, and then they must leave.

They found that if people were allowed to stay indefinitely, then they ended up not doing anything to get a job and find their own apartment. If they had a set time limit, people would join their free job placement program, and get the free training programs.

Why? Because they knew it was up to them to move up. Not up to the shelter to take care of them for life.

Now if a charity organization can figure out what is best for people.... I think you can see how this applies to society at large.

And if you need a more direct example, look at the welfare reform of the 1990s. Welfare reform reduced people living off of welfare by 50%. Welfare rolls went from 13 Million to under 5 Million.

What happened to all those people? They got jobs, and the economy improved.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Low logic is the answer

But the highest logics goes for balance and not vast wealth

These highest of all wisdom people are trump supporters

 

[danielpalos]

No way is helping people survive hurting them

Nowhere in the world have poor people done better by taking away basic sustenance

Taking money from me, my employees, and my neighbors isn't helping me, or us. I care about me, and mine. Not every other sorry bastard with a sob story...

you can afford it.

I decide what I can afford. Not you. My money is my business, and none of yours.

the power to tax is delegated to Congress. they have the authority to solve the problems of our republic.

And I as a voter, can vote against using my money to support the poor. And do.
I can also shrink my taxable income footprint in order to give less, as I see that it's being misappropriated. And do...

this is what you are voting for: U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[danielpalos]

keeping up with terminology. unlike the right wing.

Too big to fail - Wikipedia

Still can’t answer the question? Who specifically are the rich that are too big to fail? Come on, name them, you claim they exist however you can’t name them?

the one percent. tax cut economics merely favors the rich at the expense of the Poor.

Can you name them or they some imaginary creature you dreamed up?

I gave you some references. It is up to you. Why blame the Poor.

You gave me absolutely nothing, you are claiming that the rich are too big to fail, your references are for corporate welfare and for the 2008 TARP, which had nothing to do with people and had everything to do with big banks and car manufacturers that should have been allowed to fail. So you blaming the rich is just a cop out for you to again be lazy.

I never blamed the poor, it is just your way of trying to change the subject because you realized you have been schooled.

tax cut economics is socialized income redistribution that benefits the richest the most.

 

[danielpalos]

No way is helping people survive hurting them

Nowhere in the world have poor people done better by taking away basic sustenance

Taking money from me, my employees, and my neighbors isn't helping me, or us. I care about me, and mine. Not every other sorry bastard with a sob story...

you can afford it.

I decide what I can afford. Not you. My money is my business, and none of yours.

the power to tax is delegated to Congress. they have the authority to solve the problems of our republic.

Being poor is a problem for said poor person. Not a problem for our republic. Every nation will always have poor people. That will never change no matter how much money you collectivist/socialists steal...

lol. why blame the poor. the rich are the ones getting richer faster.

 

[Vastator]

Taking money from me, my employees, and my neighbors isn't helping me, or us. I care about me, and mine. Not every other sorry bastard with a sob story...

you can afford it.

I decide what I can afford. Not you. My money is my business, and none of yours.

the power to tax is delegated to Congress. they have the authority to solve the problems of our republic.

And I as a voter, can vote against using my money to support the poor. And do.
I can also shrink my taxable income footprint in order to give less, as I see that it's being misappropriated. And do...

this is what you are voting for: U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

You realize that that debt is never going to be repaid right?