What pronouns should teachers in government schools use?

[kaz]

You realize I said in the OP I vote for that the kid asks politely and the teacher honors their wish? Obviously you didn't notice that

Yeah, I'm not debating you, just giving my opinion.

OK, fair enough. We are on a very argumentative board, it would help if you made that a little clearer. Note that I am doing option 2 and making a request only

I didn't call you an asshole and make fun of your grammar, did I?

My opinion doesn't really fit into the poll. I think the use of adopting neutral or transgendered pronouns should be more structured. I don't think the best idea is for the kid to ask the teacher to call them this or that. It should be up to the parents, possibly meeting with the teacher and principal, Dean whatever to ensure everyone is on the same page. To protect the student as well as the teacher.

Now, if a teacher is purposefully harassing a kid by using the incorrect pronouns, making fun of them or otherwise treating them in anyway that is not respectful as any other kid then they should face consequences up to termination. Nobody is guaranteed a job when acting like an asshole.

Do you realize that most girls like being girls and most boys like being boys? Why sanitize life for them and make them automatons by denying recognition of their gender?

I have two girls, they love being girls, they don't want to be called gender neutral pronouns

Yes, the vast majority, what's your point?

That you're advocating the minority at the expense of the majority in a school funded by taxpayers.

That's not reasonable.

I thought that was intuitively obvious.

I'm advocating the teacher assume the majority, but for those not in the majority they should politely ask for something different and if so the teacher should give it to them.

You're advocating the teacher focus on a tiny fraction of students

 

[HappyJoy]

Conservatives should homeschool their children.

Not a bad idea.

No sense having them in institutions where people are confused about what they are.

Yes, my full answer would be that there should be no such thing as government schools. And private schools should make these decisions themselves.

Still, you can't discuss every issue on every subject.

My point is trying to separate the political from the personal. My views politically are very different from my views of just being polite to someone who is polite to me. To me otherwise is just reinforcing the political intolerance in this country that is destroying us

They have these things called private schools, parents can enroll their kids into them anytime they feel like their personal political agenda isn't being taken seriously because some kid on the playground born a boy wants to be called she/her.

Right, private schools are an entirely different animal. It's up to them.

What is your point?

That's my point. Public schools are more or less going to act and treat it's students as the public wishes. This means transgendered children will more often than not be treated with respect and the pronouns used will respect that.

Don't like it and you live in an area that isn't freaked out about trans people then maybe private or homeschooling will be best for your child. Not you specifically but anyone.

You realize I said in the OP I vote for that the kid asks politely and the teacher honors their wish? Obviously you didn't notice that

Yeah, I'm not debating you, just giving my opinion.

OK, fair enough. We are on a very argumentative board, it would help if you made that a little clearer. Note that I am doing option 2 and making a request only

I didn't call you an asshole and make fun of your grammar, did I?

My opinion doesn't really fit into the poll. I think the use of adopting neutral or transgendered pronouns should be more structured. I don't think the best idea is for the kid to ask the teacher to call them this or that. It should be up to the parents, possibly meeting with the teacher and principal, Dean whatever to ensure everyone is on the same page. To protect the student as well as the teacher.

Now, if a teacher is purposefully harassing a kid by using the incorrect pronouns, making fun of them or otherwise treating them in anyway that is not respectful as any other kid then they should face consequences up to termination. Nobody is guaranteed a job when acting like an asshole.

Do you realize that most girls like being girls and most boys like being boys? Why sanitize life for them and make them automatons by denying recognition of their gender?

I have two girls, they love being girls, they don't want to be called gender neutral pronouns

Yes, the vast majority, what's your point?

That you're advocating the minority at the expense of the majority in a school funded by taxpayers.

That's not reasonable.

I thought that was intuitively clear

Calling a transgendered kid he/him is unreasonable? It kind of is reasonable. Just like providing wheelchair accessible bathrooms so that a minority of kids have the ability to shit in the toilet is also reasonable.

EDIT: You added this after I posted:
I thought that was intuitively obvious.

I'm advocating the teacher assume the majority, but for those not in the majority they should politely ask for something different and if so the teacher should give it to them.

You're advocating the teacher focus on a tiny fraction of students

I'm not advocating the teacher focus on anything but respecting their students. Some students have special needs to include learning disabilities and physical impairments. Some students have different needs like being trans and simply wanting a little bit of respect. I don't see how calling a trans kid a specific pronoun is putting anyone out.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Conservatives should homeschool their children.

Demleftists should not have children.

 

[HappyJoy]

Conservatives should homeschool their children.

Demleftists should not have children.

I agree, Matt Gaetz shouldn't be around them and this guy has no business letting them off the hook.

Hmm, which one am I talking about?

 

[kaz]

Conservatives should homeschool their children.

Not a bad idea.

No sense having them in institutions where people are confused about what they are.

Yes, my full answer would be that there should be no such thing as government schools. And private schools should make these decisions themselves.

Still, you can't discuss every issue on every subject.

My point is trying to separate the political from the personal. My views politically are very different from my views of just being polite to someone who is polite to me. To me otherwise is just reinforcing the political intolerance in this country that is destroying us

They have these things called private schools, parents can enroll their kids into them anytime they feel like their personal political agenda isn't being taken seriously because some kid on the playground born a boy wants to be called she/her.

Right, private schools are an entirely different animal. It's up to them.

What is your point?

That's my point. Public schools are more or less going to act and treat it's students as the public wishes. This means transgendered children will more often than not be treated with respect and the pronouns used will respect that.

Don't like it and you live in an area that isn't freaked out about trans people then maybe private or homeschooling will be best for your child. Not you specifically but anyone.

You realize I said in the OP I vote for that the kid asks politely and the teacher honors their wish? Obviously you didn't notice that

Yeah, I'm not debating you, just giving my opinion.

OK, fair enough. We are on a very argumentative board, it would help if you made that a little clearer. Note that I am doing option 2 and making a request only

I didn't call you an asshole and make fun of your grammar, did I?

My opinion doesn't really fit into the poll. I think the use of adopting neutral or transgendered pronouns should be more structured. I don't think the best idea is for the kid to ask the teacher to call them this or that. It should be up to the parents, possibly meeting with the teacher and principal, Dean whatever to ensure everyone is on the same page. To protect the student as well as the teacher.

Now, if a teacher is purposefully harassing a kid by using the incorrect pronouns, making fun of them or otherwise treating them in anyway that is not respectful as any other kid then they should face consequences up to termination. Nobody is guaranteed a job when acting like an asshole.

Do you realize that most girls like being girls and most boys like being boys? Why sanitize life for them and make them automatons by denying recognition of their gender?

I have two girls, they love being girls, they don't want to be called gender neutral pronouns

Yes, the vast majority, what's your point?

That you're advocating the minority at the expense of the majority in a school funded by taxpayers.

That's not reasonable.

I thought that was intuitively clear

Calling a transgendered kid he/him is unreasonable? It kind of is reasonable. Just like providing wheelchair accessible bathrooms so that a minority of kids have the ability to shit in the toilet is also reasonable.

EDIT: You added this after I posted:
I thought that was intuitively obvious.

I'm advocating the teacher assume the majority, but for those not in the majority they should politely ask for something different and if so the teacher should give it to them.

You're advocating the teacher focus on a tiny fraction of students

I'm not advocating the teacher focus on anything but respecting their students. Some students have special needs to include learning disabilities and physical impairments. Some students have different needs like being trans and simply wanting a little bit of respect. I don't see how calling a trans kid a specific pronoun is putting anyone out.

"Calling a transgendered kid he/him is unreasonable?"

I CLEARLY did not say that. What discussion are you reading? I can't believe you even said that. Do you have memory issues? We've been discussing this for a while now? Seriously, do you?

 

[HappyJoy]

Conservatives should homeschool their children.

Not a bad idea.

No sense having them in institutions where people are confused about what they are.

Yes, my full answer would be that there should be no such thing as government schools. And private schools should make these decisions themselves.

Still, you can't discuss every issue on every subject.

My point is trying to separate the political from the personal. My views politically are very different from my views of just being polite to someone who is polite to me. To me otherwise is just reinforcing the political intolerance in this country that is destroying us

They have these things called private schools, parents can enroll their kids into them anytime they feel like their personal political agenda isn't being taken seriously because some kid on the playground born a boy wants to be called she/her.

Right, private schools are an entirely different animal. It's up to them.

What is your point?

That's my point. Public schools are more or less going to act and treat it's students as the public wishes. This means transgendered children will more often than not be treated with respect and the pronouns used will respect that.

Don't like it and you live in an area that isn't freaked out about trans people then maybe private or homeschooling will be best for your child. Not you specifically but anyone.

You realize I said in the OP I vote for that the kid asks politely and the teacher honors their wish? Obviously you didn't notice that

Yeah, I'm not debating you, just giving my opinion.

OK, fair enough. We are on a very argumentative board, it would help if you made that a little clearer. Note that I am doing option 2 and making a request only

I didn't call you an asshole and make fun of your grammar, did I?

My opinion doesn't really fit into the poll. I think the use of adopting neutral or transgendered pronouns should be more structured. I don't think the best idea is for the kid to ask the teacher to call them this or that. It should be up to the parents, possibly meeting with the teacher and principal, Dean whatever to ensure everyone is on the same page. To protect the student as well as the teacher.

Now, if a teacher is purposefully harassing a kid by using the incorrect pronouns, making fun of them or otherwise treating them in anyway that is not respectful as any other kid then they should face consequences up to termination. Nobody is guaranteed a job when acting like an asshole.

Do you realize that most girls like being girls and most boys like being boys? Why sanitize life for them and make them automatons by denying recognition of their gender?

I have two girls, they love being girls, they don't want to be called gender neutral pronouns

Yes, the vast majority, what's your point?

That you're advocating the minority at the expense of the majority in a school funded by taxpayers.

That's not reasonable.

I thought that was intuitively clear

Calling a transgendered kid he/him is unreasonable? It kind of is reasonable. Just like providing wheelchair accessible bathrooms so that a minority of kids have the ability to shit in the toilet is also reasonable.

EDIT: You added this after I posted:
I thought that was intuitively obvious.

I'm advocating the teacher assume the majority, but for those not in the majority they should politely ask for something different and if so the teacher should give it to them.

You're advocating the teacher focus on a tiny fraction of students

I'm not advocating the teacher focus on anything but respecting their students. Some students have special needs to include learning disabilities and physical impairments. Some students have different needs like being trans and simply wanting a little bit of respect. I don't see how calling a trans kid a specific pronoun is putting anyone out.

"Calling a transgendered kid he/him is unreasonable?"

I CLEARLY did not say that. What discussion are you reading? I can't believe you even said that. Do you have memory issues? We've been discussing this for a while now? Seriously, do you?

What is unreasonable then?

Also, calm down.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Conservatives should homeschool their children.

Demleftists should not have children.

I agree, Matt Gaetz shouldn't be around them and this guy has no business letting them off the hook.

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Hmm, which one am I talking about?

I think people who make decisions based on feelings and emotions instead of common sense and reason are pussies and have no business telling anyone else what to do.
Who do you think I’m talking about?

 

[HappyJoy]

Conservatives should homeschool their children.

Demleftists should not have children.

I agree, Matt Gaetz shouldn't be around them and this guy has no business letting them off the hook.

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Hmm, which one am I talking about?

I think people who make decisions based on feelings and emotions instead of common sense and reason are pussies and have no business telling anyone else what to do.
Who do you think I’m talking about?

You sound like you're talking about yourself.

 

[skews13]

I would not fire teachers or compel speech, but I say the teacher is an ass if they aren't polite to their student and call them at a personal level what they want to be called. That isn't a political position, it's being a decent person.


It's not possible to list EVERY possibility in these polls. If none are perfect, please pick the closest answer to your view and explain in your post.

Virginia school board meeting explodes as members face backlash for suspension of Tanner Cross

Loudoun County teacher Tanner Cross saw an outpouring of support Tuesday as irate parents and educators blasted the school system's decision to suspend him after his comments about gender.

www.foxnews.com

There's no such thing as a government school. All public schools are local, in the districts of the states in which they reside.

What pronouns should teachers use in private indoctrination centers?

How about radical conservative madrassas?

What pronouns do they use in right wing prepper compounds, and militia encampments?

Do they have any clue as to what a pronoun is in those child hostage centers, where children in them only look to escape, when they have the opportunity to?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

There are only two genders. You do not get to chose yours.
You call it like you see it,

The right’s unwarranted hatred of, and contempt for, gay and transgender Americans is pathological and reprehensible.

 

[evenflow1969]

If the teacher wants respect they must give respect, the same for the student.

The problem is, that it appears that in order for a teacher to “give respect” to students these days, that it requires a 6,000 page political correctness manual and a junior G Man decoder ring just to do it.

“Excuse me student, In order for me to give you some respect I’ll first need you to send me that memo regarding what your preferred pronoun is for TODAY.”

Students who believe they are female should wear pink stars, students who believe they are male should wear blue stars, and students think they are both should wear green stars.


Solve the whole problem

Well no it doesn't. Some of them want to be called by plural forms of pronouns. I think we should all try to be respectful of one another but the pronoun thing is getting to a point where being respectful for this type of individual preference is more than one can remember. It's to much.

 

[evenflow1969]

I would not fire teachers or compel speech, but I say the teacher is an ass if they aren't polite to their student and call them at a personal level what they want to be called. That isn't a political position, it's being a decent person.


It's not possible to list EVERY possibility in these polls. If none are perfect, please pick the closest answer to your view and explain in your post.

Virginia school board meeting explodes as members face backlash for suspension of Tanner Cross

Loudoun County teacher Tanner Cross saw an outpouring of support Tuesday as irate parents and educators blasted the school system's decision to suspend him after his comments about gender.

www.foxnews.com

Requiring individualized pronoun usage for each child is to much to ask. Try to be respectful of wishes but no one can memorize all the names plus preferred pronoun usage and incorporate into speech with out error. It is asking to much.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I would not fire teachers or compel speech, but I say the teacher is an ass if they aren't polite to their student and call them at a personal level what they want to be called. That isn't a political position, it's being a decent person.


It's not possible to list EVERY possibility in these polls. If none are perfect, please pick the closest answer to your view and explain in your post.

Virginia school board meeting explodes as members face backlash for suspension of Tanner Cross

Loudoun County teacher Tanner Cross saw an outpouring of support Tuesday as irate parents and educators blasted the school system's decision to suspend him after his comments about gender.

www.foxnews.com

It's a political position to redefine "polite" as "playing into whatever delusion someone wants to impose on others".

It is not impolite to be biologically and grammatically correct; it is impolite to demand that others be incorrect to suit you.

You'll show that kid, huh! Now that's polite!

Aren't you there to teach, not to make political points to each other?

What is wrong with calling he a she? Maybe the kids will say wow, these people aren't asses like my parents, I want to be more like them. You're not going to give them that message by being rude to them

First of all, school - like any other occasion in which humans interact with each other - is about more than just academics. It would be even if left-wingers didn't keep trying to make it about their agenda. It is also about learning social behavior and boundaries. I recall school as containing a lot of hard and not-very-pleasant lessons in that regard. So yeah, the kid can and should learn that his personal wishes don't create a corresponding obligation in others, right up there with the lessons about personal responsibility and meeting expectations.

Second of all, what is wrong with "calling he a she" is that he is NOT a she. It's not my job in life - and certainly would not be my job if I were a teacher - to be nicer than anyone's parents, nor am I stupid enough to think that caving in to ridiculous demands under the mistaken impression that it's "nice" to do so is magically going to convince people to agree with my views, particularly when I'm hiding those very views by being "nice" and behaving in opposition to them.

Third, I continue to be offended by your attempts to force arbitrary parameters of "Doing what I think should be done is what is nice, and doing what I don't think should be done is rude" onto the conversation. You are not advocating "nice" or "polite"; you're advocating being a craven milksop who goes along with whatever you're told to do in hopes of being liked. It is no more rude to tell little Johnny, "You are a boy, and I will refer to you as such" than it is to tell him, "Your homework was due today, and I will not accept it late." Life's tough, wear a helmet.

As a teacher, why is it your job to fight with the kid about whether they should be called he or she rather than giving them an education?

Excuse me, but who said "fight with the kid" other than you? Once again, you attempt to arbitrarily force YOUR perceoption of things onto me as reality, and once again I reject it, just as I reject some confused kid trying to force HIS perceptions onto me.

And your straw man of "giving in to his demand that I pretend reality is something it isn't means giving him an education" tells me you didn't read a single word of my post in your rush to "respond" to it by squawking out your repetitious monologue.

I don't waste my time on .

Celilie: "Second of all, what is wrong with "calling he a she" is that he is NOT a she. It's not my job in life - and certainly would not be my job if I were a teacher"

Did you finally have a point to make? Because it's still not obvious by your post.