What the national polls say about a 2020 Trump vs. Biden race.

And what did the polling data show in 2016? Dumbass.

And what did the polling data show in 2018? Dumbass.

A sudden change in the USA today poll on the approval of trump. Now nearly tied

Look at the average of all the polls and you'll see the trouble Trump is in. Look below:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval


Wrong it's the same as 2016 and trump won easily


The same 5 states


Trump has brought the jobs to those 5

So trump will win easily

Trump did not win easily in 2016. He lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes. His margins of victory in the states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were each bellow 1%. A combined 77,000 votes got him over the top in those three states, a small amount considering the number of people voting in those states.

Nothing is the same as 2016 because this time Trump is the incumbent. He is losing to Biden in polls of Michigan and Wisconsin right now. An average of 42.5% approval is poor for a President trying to be re-elected. Whatever jobs he is alleged to have created in those states, its not helping him at all. Most people want Trump out of the White House. Given that most people want Trump gone, its unlikely he will be able to find a way to stay beyond January 20, 2021.

Sure, with all the terrific candidates the Democrats are bringing to the table? And in case you haven't heard, so far, Biden is not running.
 
Okay I didn’t understand this post at all until I saw the rewards for it. Apparently there’s a market to rank this stuff as funny, so incredibly low hanging fruit. Not a substantial market, but enough of one to keep weird shit alive like this.



But in all honesty how could you not watch this shit and not have you’re predator defense systems not engage? I feel like I have to separate joe from every one of these kids with a punch to the face. At least trump kept it to pornstars. Like you can just sense the parents trying to intervene but be conflicted by it being joe Biden. Yea trump had his pussy grabber comments, but joe is getting waaaaay to friendly with children here. There’s no other word for it but creepy. Show me another politician who acts like this around kids and I’ll drop it being creepy. And then I’ll throw in a million. This shit is wrong


Trump was accused of sexual assault by over a dozen women. Trump accurately described engaging in sexual assault of women in a tape recording of a conversation he had with Billy Bush. Trump divorced and cheated on his first two wives. He has cheated on his third wife and illegally used his money to pay them to keep silent. His Lawyer, Cohen, is going to jail partly for this crime. Once Trump is not President, he will be facing jail time for this crime as well. Both Cohen and David Pecker of the national enquire are on record saying that Trump ordered the payments to keep women who he cheated on his wife with silent in order to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. That's against the law and Michael Cohen is going to jail for it since he helped arrange the payments.

Has Joe Biden done any of that? Nope. Sorry, but Biden wins this game easily. Most Women did not vote for Trump in 2016. Even more women will be voting against Trump in 2020.

Those dozen women haven’t evolved into anything, and this was during the me too movement I believe, or at least around the same time. Trump was clearly being bragodacious with the pussy grabber comments. For trump to face jail time, you’d have to prove he never paid hush money to women before he was running, do you honestly think he didn’t? Even then this is a murky area of is it a campaign expenditure, especially since the last time someone was charged with paying hush money he was acquitted, that was John Edwards. Paying hush money is no where near being against the law, which is why NDA’s exist. Cohen is also going to jail for other reasons too, and pretty much absolved trump if everything in his testimony and then just attacked his character. How is it I am explaining all this to you months and years after the fact? I notice you also didn’t say shit about Russia collusion, fancy that. That’s all I heard about for two fucking years. Now it looks like a clear abuse of power to run surveillance on someone using one source of oppo research that at the time was deemed at the very least highly suspect. So suspect CNN didn’t even touch it.

Biden on the other hand is on camera. He’s being super creepy on camera. He’s being creepy with 13 year old girls. He’s playing with and smelling their hair. He’s whispering in their ear how pretty they are. I want someone to watch that and try to tell me that the girls and their parents don’t look very uncomfortable at all. You can see pictures of his hands on where their breasts would be if they were developed. Yea Biden is fucking creepy. It hasn’t been just one moment you can explain away as just an awkward exchange. It’s a half dozen exchanges of him being fucking creepy. He was setting off warning bells with the parents and the girls. You can see a dad rush over to give him a handshake to insert himself in the creepiness. You can see a mom just grilling the fuck out of him while he’s being creepy. And you hear the camera man say dads gonna ge close by as a half joke when Biden asked for a photo with just the girl. Why would someone make that joke?

Correction: I watched it again, it’s not the cameraman who says dads gonna stand by pretty close, it’s the DAD saying it. Clearly he doesn’t perceive Biden as harmless.


Michael Cohen is going to a jail, that is a fact! He is going to jail for doing something Trump told him to do. Trump get be brought up on the same charges because he is currently President. Once Trump is not President, he will face jail time for the same things as a Michael Cohen. David Pecker is also a witness to this, but he got an immunity deal. After Trump loses the 2020 election and leaves the White House on January 20, 2021, the clock will start ticking on when he will be sent to the slammer for the same things that Cohen will soon be serving time for. You can't say it was NOT illegal or NOT a crime, because it Cohen was already found guilty for it and will be serving Jail time for it!


Wrong. Paying the bimbos is not a crime. The fact that Cohen chose to plead guilty to it was simple stupidity.
It does not affect Trump, see what Dershowitz says:

Dershowitz: Candidate Entitled To Pay Hush Money, Committed No Election Crime

Cohen gets all of 3-years (actually 2) in prison for five counts of tax fraud and one count of making false statements to a bank.


Yep, you can always find a lawyer out there that will claim someone is innocent. Fact, Cohen is going to jail in part for what he did for Trump. Does not matter the amount of time that he is serving in jail. Jail is Jail. Trump will be facing the possibility of jail when he leaves the White House on January 20, 2021.

But please, continue to twist and contort yourself in the pathetic attempt of defending our child President, Donald Trump.


Please read my post again. Cohen went to jail for his crimes, not Trump's. I provided a link to prove my point. If you can't prove your "fact", that Cohen got time for paying the bimbos, thanks for playing. After 2-years of investigation by the Special Counsel Trump was proven innocent. Please show respect for your president.
Dershowitz: Candidate Entitled To Pay Hush Money, Committed No Election Crime
 
And what did the polling data show in 2016? Dumbass.

And what did the polling data show in 2018? Dumbass.

A sudden change in the USA today poll on the approval of trump. Now nearly tied

Look at the average of all the polls and you'll see the trouble Trump is in. Look below:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval


Wrong it's the same as 2016 and trump won easily


The same 5 states


Trump has brought the jobs to those 5

So trump will win easily

Trump did not win easily in 2016. He lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes. His margins of victory in the states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were each bellow 1%. A combined 77,000 votes got him over the top in those three states, a small amount considering the number of people voting in those states.

Nothing is the same as 2016 because this time Trump is the incumbent. He is losing to Biden in polls of Michigan and Wisconsin right now. An average of 42.5% approval is poor for a President trying to be re-elected. Whatever jobs he is alleged to have created in those states, its not helping him at all. Most people want Trump out of the White House. Given that most people want Trump gone, its unlikely he will be able to find a way to stay beyond January 20, 2021.
Biden has probably the best shot to beat trump, but I seriously doubt Biden will win the nomination. Does have the intersectional cred and isn’t socialist enough
 
And what did the polling data show in 2016? Dumbass.

And what did the polling data show in 2018? Dumbass.

A sudden change in the USA today poll on the approval of trump. Now nearly tied

Look at the average of all the polls and you'll see the trouble Trump is in. Look below:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval


Wrong it's the same as 2016 and trump won easily


The same 5 states


Trump has brought the jobs to those 5

So trump will win easily

Trump did not win easily in 2016. He lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes. His margins of victory in the states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were each bellow 1%. A combined 77,000 votes got him over the top in those three states, a small amount considering the number of people voting in those states.

Nothing is the same as 2016 because this time Trump is the incumbent. He is losing to Biden in polls of Michigan and Wisconsin right now. An average of 42.5% approval is poor for a President trying to be re-elected. Whatever jobs he is alleged to have created in those states, its not helping him at all. Most people want Trump out of the White House. Given that most people want Trump gone, its unlikely he will be able to find a way to stay beyond January 20, 2021.
The electoral vote is what wins or loses an election

Trump won easily

And he has helped those swing states greatly so he has 202O Wrapped up
 
Oh, wait until Biden starts giving speeches and interviews again. Then let's see what the numbers look like.
 
New FXN poll has Biden 47% and Trump 40%. OK, put Biden up and lets get to it!
 
New FXN poll has Biden 47% and Trump 40%. OK, put Biden up and lets get to it!
Biden would lose many supporters of the ones he beats and lose badly in the general election 2020

Its not about Biden as much as Trump needs to get more presidential. Bashing John McCain, whining about Mueller, the Budget Deficit, his constant lying & exaggerating, how he plays the Mueller report, all affects voters. He really needs to learn how to be president before he gets booted in 2020.

Here are the Trump promises that the dems will say Trump did not keep: (and my replies in blue font)
1. He told you he’d cut your taxes, and that the super-rich like him would pay more. You bought it. But his 2017 tax law has done the opposite. By 2027, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, the richest 1 percent will have received 83 percent of the tax cut and the richest 0.1 percent, 60 percent of it. But more than half of all Americans — 53 percent — will pay more in taxes. As Trump told his wealthy friends at Mar-a-Lago just days after the tax bill became law, “You all just got a lot richer.”
OK #1, I agree with this. The top rate should have been raised.

2. He promised that the average family would see a $4,000 pay raise because of the tax law. You bought it. But real wages for most Americans are lower today than they were before the tax law went into effect. This is a lie, real wages are increasing

3. He promised to close special interest loopholes that have been so good for Wall Street investors but unfair to American workers, especially the notorious “carried interest” loophole for private-equity, hedge fund, and real estate partners. You bought it. But the new tax law kept the “carried interest” loophole. A lie, Congress makes Laws

4. He promised to bring an end to Kim Jong-Un’s nuclear program. You bought it. Kim Jong-Un hasn’t denuclearized. Work in-progress, he's doing better than any prior admin

5. He told you he’d repeal Obamacare and replace it with something “beautiful,” including “insurance for everybody.” You bought it. But he didn’t repeal and he didn’t replace. (Just as well: His plan would have knocked at least 24 million Americans off health insurance, including many of you.) Instead, he’s doing what he can to cut it back and replace it with nothing. According to the Commonwealth Fund, about 4 million Americans have lost health insurance in the last two years. McCain did this not Trump

6. He told you he wouldn’t “cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.” You bought it. But now he’s planning such cuts in order to deal with the ballooning deficit created, in part, by the new tax law for corporations and the rich. The House and Senate create the Budget, not Trump

7. He promised to protect anyone with pre-existing conditions. You bought it. But in June, his Justice Department told a federal court it would no longer defend provisions of Obamacare that protect patients with pre-existing conditions. Attorney General Jeff Sessions said the decision was made with Trump’s approval. Healthcare was what the dems ran on in 2018, so its their responsibility. Fix it.

8. He said he’d build a “wall” across the southern border.You believed him. But there’s no wall. Yes there is a wall, it is being built, I'd have Mexico pay for it by adding a fee on "remittances"

9. He told you he’d invest $1 trillion in our nation’s crumbling infrastructure. You bought it. But after his giant tax cut for corporations and millionaires, there’s no money left for infrastructure. OK #2, Agree, lets see if the dems Budget includes any infrastructure spending

10. He said he’d drain the Washington swamp. You bought it. But he’s brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history, to make laws that will enrich their businesses, and he’s filled departments and agencies with former lobbyists, lawyers and consultants who are crafting new policies for the same industries they recently worked for. Disagree, Trump is creating jobs in the US, not getting bribed to move jobs overseas. Navarro and Lightheizer are doing an outstanding job of re-negotiating trade deals in favor of the US instead of China. Check out Hunter Biden's China and Ukraine deals before calling Trump's deals "swampy".

11. He promised to re-institute a five-year ban on all executive branch officials lobbying the government for five years after they leave government.” You bought it. But the five-year ban he signed applies only to lobbying one’s former agency, not the government as a whole, and it doesn’t stop former officials from becoming lobbyists. Inside baseball, meh

12. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape. You bought it. But he has created the most dysfunctional, back-stabbing White House in modern history, and has already fired and replaced so many assistants that people there barely know who’s in charge of what. The WH is fine, not thrilled about Jared's security clearance, but otherwise the WH is functioning well.

13. He told you he’d “bring down drug prices” by negotiating “like crazy” with drug companies. You bought it. But he hasn’t. OK, #3, drug prices are a tough nut, the US pays for most drug research, congress needs to step in and help too. Trump can't write an EO and fix drug prices. It needs to be Congress.

14. He told you he’d “stop foreign lobbyists from raising money for American elections.” You bought it. But foreign lobbyists are still raising money for American elections. You mean like Hunter Biden? This is a swamp issue

15. He promised “six weeks of paid maternity leave to any mother with a newborn child whose employer does not provide the benefit.” You bought it. But the giant tax cut for corporations and the rich doesn’t leave any money for this. The giant tax cut for Corporations should have provided money for this, pass a fucking Law.

16. He said he’d create tax-free dependent care savings accounts for younger and elderly dependents, and have the government match contributions low-income families put into their savings accounts. You bought it. He’s done neither. I don't remember this one, need a link

17. He said that on Day One he’d label China a “currency manipulator.” You bought it. But then he declared China is not a currency manipulator. Still negotiating with China, better than the prior admins

18. He said he “won’t bomb Syria.” You bought it. Then he bombed Syria. A lie, I remember him saying he'd bomb the shit out of Syria/ISIS.

19. After pulling out of the Paris accord, he said he’d negotiate a better deal on the environment. You bought it. There have been no negotiations. I don't recall Trump saying anything on the environment, but the Paris deal was stupid, why should the US pay $Trillions?

20. He promised that the many women who accused him of sexual misconduct “will be sued after the election is over.” You bought it. He hasn’t sued them, presumably because he doesn’t want the truth to come out. Dead issue.

21. He said he would not be a president who took vacations, and criticized Barack Obama for taking too many vacations. You bought it. But since becoming President, he has spent a quarter of his days at one of his golf properties. So what? He's doing more than any prior president

22. He vowed to “push colleges to cut the skyrocketing cost of tuition.” You believed him. But he hasn’t. Instead, he’s made it easier for for-profit college to defraud students. It takes Laws, congress needs to act. Colleges need to co-sign student loans.

23. He said he’d force companies to keep jobs in America, and that there would be consequences for companies that shipped jobs abroad, especially government contractors. You believed him. Never before in U.S. history have federal contractors sent so many jobs overseas. There have been no consequences. Trump is working hard to keep jobs in the US, more than Obama who said "those jobs are not coming back".

24. He promised to end DACA. Then in January 2018 promised that “DACA recipients should not to be concerned… We’re going to solve the problem,” then he reversed himself again and vowed to end the program by March, 2018. Currently, the federal courts have stayed any action on it. The democrats won't deal, so DACA kids are illegal, so what?

25. He promised to revive the struggling coal industry and bring back lost coal mining jobs. You bought it. But coal is still losing customers as utilities turn to natural gas and renewable power. Trump is selling coal overseas, at least some miners are working

26. He promised to protect American steel jobs. You bought it. His tariffs on steel have protected some steel jobs. But industries that use steel – like automakers and construction – now have to pay more for the steel they use, with the result that their jobs are threatened. The Trade Partnership projects that 400,000 jobs will be lost among steel and aluminum users. The US steel industry is thriving, after almost going away forever. Thanks Trump!

27. He said he’d make America safer. You believed him. But mass shootings keep rising, and Trump has failed to pass effective gun control legislation. After 17 died in Parkland, Florida, Trump promised “immediate action” on gun safety in schools, but has done nothing. Trump wants armed staff, so pass laws.

28. He promised to make two- and four-year colleges more affordable. You bought it. But Trump’s most recent budget contains deep cuts in aid for low-income and first-generation college students, reduces Federal Work Study, and eliminates the 50-year-old Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant program, which goes to more than a million poor college kids each year. Need to have colleges co-sign student loans and use their endowment funds

29. He promised to eliminate the federal deficit and bring down the debt. You bought it. Yet due to his massive tax cut mostly for corporations and the rich, and his military spending, the deficit is set to rise to $1 trillion, and the debt has ballooned to more than $21 trillion. OK #4, his tax cut did not grow the economy as Kudlow promised, Trump needs at least 3% GDP growth to get to no Deficit, it looks like 2% is the norm. Need Congress to raise the top tax rate. I'd also add a 3% Fed sales tax.

30. He said he’d release his taxes. “I’m under a routine audit and it’ll be released, and as soon as the audit is finished it will be released,” he promised during the campaign. You bought it. He still hasn’t released his taxes. Is he still being audited? Also heard that Congress can get them, so get them
 
And what did the polling data show in 2018? Dumbass.

A sudden change in the USA today poll on the approval of trump. Now nearly tied

Look at the average of all the polls and you'll see the trouble Trump is in. Look below:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval


Wrong it's the same as 2016 and trump won easily


The same 5 states


Trump has brought the jobs to those 5

So trump will win easily

Trump did not win easily in 2016. He lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes. His margins of victory in the states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were each bellow 1%. A combined 77,000 votes got him over the top in those three states, a small amount considering the number of people voting in those states.

Nothing is the same as 2016 because this time Trump is the incumbent. He is losing to Biden in polls of Michigan and Wisconsin right now. An average of 42.5% approval is poor for a President trying to be re-elected. Whatever jobs he is alleged to have created in those states, its not helping him at all. Most people want Trump out of the White House. Given that most people want Trump gone, its unlikely he will be able to find a way to stay beyond January 20, 2021.
Biden has probably the best shot to beat trump, but I seriously doubt Biden will win the nomination. Does have the intersectional cred and isn’t socialist enough

I actually think Biden will win the Democratic nomination the same way Trump won the Republican nomination. Biden has a strong plurality of support in a crowded field, just like Trump did with the Republicans in 2015-2016. It was a shock to see Trump win the Republican nomination, but you can see how he did it. The crowded field divided the opposition to his nomination. By the time the field narrowed, he had basically won the nomination.
Name recognition, a strong plurality of the vote, plus a crowded field.
 
New polls are in for the BIDEN VS TRUMP matchup:

FOX NEWS GENERAL ELECTION POLL MARCH 24:

BIDEN: 47%

TRUMP: 40%

Damn, Biden has a 7 point lead over a Trump in a FOX NEWS poll!


EMERSON IOWA POLL March 25, 2019:

Biden: 53%

Trump: 47%

Trump beat Hillary Clinton in this state in 2016 by 10 points, now he is down by 6 against Biden. Biden was the only Democratic candidate to beat Trump in this poll for Iowa besides Sanders who won by 2 points.
 
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FOX NEWS POLL ON THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT March 17-20:

BIDEN: 31%

SANDERS: 23%

HARRIS: 8%

O'Rourke: 8%

WARREN: 4%

BOOKER: 4%

Gillibrand: 2%

Klobuchar: 1%

Buttigieg: 1%

Castro: 1%

Inslee: 1%
 
LOL - should we have the Dems pick a candidate and then see that candidate debate before looking at useless polls?
 
New polls are in for the BIDEN VS TRUMP matchup:

FOX NEWS GENERAL ELECTION POLL MARCH 24:

BIDEN: 47%

TRUMP: 40%

Damn, Biden has a 7 point lead over a Trump in a FOX NEWS poll!


EMERSON IOWA POLL March 25, 2019:

Biden: 53%

Trump: 47%

Trump beat Hillary Clinton in this state in 2016 by 10 points, now he is down by 6 against Biden. Biden was the only Democratic candidate to beat Trump in this poll for Iowa besides Sanders who won by 2 points.

Looks good for Biden so far, lets see if Trump knows how to become more presidential, mend fences, and build a winning coalition for 2020.
 
LOL - should we have the Dems pick a candidate and then see that candidate debate before looking at useless polls?

Well, you don't have to look at them, but you do.

Plus debates, the three that might happen, will have little if any impact on the election. Most people have already formed their opinion about Trump and its not good. There is not going to be a lot of undecided people for this election.
 
Here is all the national polling data I could find on potential Trump vs. Biden race in 2020 starting from the latest poll going back in time.

February 16, 2019 - Emerson Poll - Biden 55% Trump 45% - Biden +10

January 22, 2019 - PPP Poll - Biden 53% Trump 41% - Biden +12

June 13, 2018 - PPP Poll - Biden 53% Trump 39% - Biden +14

March 27, 2018 - PPP Poll - Biden 56% Trump 39% - Biden +17

February 14, 2018 - PPP Poll - Biden 51% Trump 42% - Biden +9

January 23, 2018 - CNN Poll - Biden 57% Trump 40% - Biden +17

December 14, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 40% - Biden +14

October 31, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 56% Trump 38% - Biden +18

October 16, 2017 - Emerson Poll - Biden 51% Trump 42% - Biden +9

September 28, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 53% Trump 40% - Biden +13

August 23, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 51% Trump 39% - Biden +12

July 18, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 39% - Biden +15

June 12, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 41% - Biden +13

May 16, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 40% - Biden +14

April 20, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 40% - Biden +14

March 30, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 40% - Biden +14


When you average the margin of victory in the 16 polls, Biden beats Trump on average by 13.5 points, just 6 points less from a total overwhelming landslide when it comes to electoral Presidential politics.

Trumps percentages in these head to head races, around 40%, match his average approval rating over the past two years in the GALLUP poll.
This must be from the same people who said clinton would win you guys plan on screwing bernie again
 
LOL - should we have the Dems pick a candidate and then see that candidate debate before looking at useless polls?

Well, you don't have to look at them, but you do.

Plus debates, the three that might happen, will have little if any impact on the election. Most people have already formed their opinion about Trump and its not good. There is not going to be a lot of undecided people for this election.

Great. Then why even hold an election? Let's give Biden the crown now. :290968001256257790-final:
 
Here is all the national polling data I could find on potential Trump vs. Biden race in 2020 starting from the latest poll going back in time.

February 16, 2019 - Emerson Poll - Biden 55% Trump 45% - Biden +10

January 22, 2019 - PPP Poll - Biden 53% Trump 41% - Biden +12

June 13, 2018 - PPP Poll - Biden 53% Trump 39% - Biden +14

March 27, 2018 - PPP Poll - Biden 56% Trump 39% - Biden +17

February 14, 2018 - PPP Poll - Biden 51% Trump 42% - Biden +9

January 23, 2018 - CNN Poll - Biden 57% Trump 40% - Biden +17

December 14, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 40% - Biden +14

October 31, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 56% Trump 38% - Biden +18

October 16, 2017 - Emerson Poll - Biden 51% Trump 42% - Biden +9

September 28, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 53% Trump 40% - Biden +13

August 23, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 51% Trump 39% - Biden +12

July 18, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 39% - Biden +15

June 12, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 41% - Biden +13

May 16, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 40% - Biden +14

April 20, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 40% - Biden +14

March 30, 2017 - PPP Poll - Biden 54% Trump 40% - Biden +14


When you average the margin of victory in the 16 polls, Biden beats Trump on average by 13.5 points, just 6 points less from a total overwhelming landslide when it comes to electoral Presidential politics.

Trumps percentages in these head to head races, around 40%, match his average approval rating over the past two years in the GALLUP poll.

Hillary should be the one running again since she still leads by 20 points.
Thats only when shes drunk and falling down
 
LOL - should we have the Dems pick a candidate and then see that candidate debate before looking at useless polls?

Well, you don't have to look at them, but you do.

Plus debates, the three that might happen, will have little if any impact on the election. Most people have already formed their opinion about Trump and its not good. There is not going to be a lot of undecided people for this election.

LMAO!!!!

Millions of people switched their presidential votes in 2016
Let’s begin with the basics. The 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study conducted a large sample poll and found that 6.7 million Trump voters said they voted for Barack Obama in 2012 and 2.7 million Clinton voters said they voted for Mitt Romney in 2016. In other words, about 11 percent of Trump voters say they were Obama voters four years earlier and about 4 percent of Clinton voters say they were Romney voters four years earlier.

Swing voters are extremely real
 

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