What the science says

[Wyatt earp]

Wrong again batman. That's the question you wish I asked! Funny

you acctually saying co2 and methane are not greenhouse gases ?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15200469/

Of course they are.
Only idiots who believe in smart photons and don't understand the laws of thermodynamics say otherwise.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15200389/

And something never validated.<~~~~~Ignorant child comment

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15200612/

View attachment 88295

^Here's the validation
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15204496/


Observed? I think not!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15209080/

It is observed. You don't think.
DERP!

Mars atmosphere has 95% C02

You screwed up.

Please explain further.

Its a known fact.

You'll have to be more specific.
How does the fact that the atmosphere of Mars is almost 96% CO2 mean that I screwed up?
I screwed up what? Where did I screw it up?

Please explain further. Be specific.

Its not like Venus...which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

you acctually saying co2 and methane are not greenhouse gases ?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15200469/

Of course they are.
Only idiots who believe in smart photons and don't understand the laws of thermodynamics say otherwise.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15200389/

And something never validated.<~~~~~Ignorant child comment

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15200612/

View attachment 88295

^Here's the validation
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15204496/


Observed? I think not!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15209080/

It is observed. You don't think.
DERP!

Mars atmosphere has 95% C02

You screwed up.

Please explain further.

Its a known fact.

You'll have to be more specific.
How does the fact that the atmosphere of Mars is almost 96% CO2 mean that I screwed up?
I screwed up what? Where did I screw it up?

Please explain further. Be specific.

Its not like Venus...which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02

Right. Mars is not like Venus.
Mars and Venus are not like Earth.

So how did I screw up?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Mars atmosphere has 95% C02

You screwed up.

Please explain further.

Its a known fact.

You'll have to be more specific.
How does the fact that the atmosphere of Mars is almost 96% CO2 mean that I screwed up?
I screwed up what? Where did I screw it up?

Please explain further. Be specific.

Its not like Venus...which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02

Right. Mars is not like Venus.
Mars and Venus are not like Earth.

So how did I screw up?

What common sense and logic blows your mind?

A titanium space craft don't stand a chance landing on venus for more then a few seconds..which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02


Earth has like what .0002 % C02?

Mars atmosphere is made up of 95% C02

And ballons survive in that atmosphere...


Its the density of the C02..

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Please explain further.

Its a known fact.

You'll have to be more specific.
How does the fact that the atmosphere of Mars is almost 96% CO2 mean that I screwed up?
I screwed up what? Where did I screw it up?

Please explain further. Be specific.

Its not like Venus...which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02

Right. Mars is not like Venus.
Mars and Venus are not like Earth.

So how did I screw up?

What common sense and logic blows your mind?

A titanium space craft don't stand a chance landing on venus for more then a few seconds..which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02


Earth has like what .0002 % C02?

Mars atmosphere is made up of 95% C02

And ballons survive in that atmosphere...


Its the density of the C02..

What common sense and logic blows your mind?

No, common sense and logic don't blow my mind.

Earth has like what .0002 % C02?

More like 0.04%

Its the density of the C02

Okay. Back to your original claim.
Where did I screw up?
Be specific.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Its a known fact.

You'll have to be more specific.
How does the fact that the atmosphere of Mars is almost 96% CO2 mean that I screwed up?
I screwed up what? Where did I screw it up?

Please explain further. Be specific.

Its not like Venus...which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02

Right. Mars is not like Venus.
Mars and Venus are not like Earth.

So how did I screw up?

What common sense and logic blows your mind?

A titanium space craft don't stand a chance landing on venus for more then a few seconds..which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02


Earth has like what .0002 % C02?

Mars atmosphere is made up of 95% C02

And ballons survive in that atmosphere...


Its the density of the C02..

What common sense and logic blows your mind?

No, common sense and logic don't blow my mind.

Earth has like what .0002 % C02?

More like 0.04%

Its the density of the C02

Okay. Back to your original claim.
Where did I screw up?
Be specific.

wtf?

You said C02 was a green house gas



Then I produced 3 planets...

We could therotically change mars atmosphere for human life..
No way in hell for venus.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You'll have to be more specific.
How does the fact that the atmosphere of Mars is almost 96% CO2 mean that I screwed up?
I screwed up what? Where did I screw it up?

Please explain further. Be specific.

Its not like Venus...which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02

Right. Mars is not like Venus.
Mars and Venus are not like Earth.

So how did I screw up?

What common sense and logic blows your mind?

A titanium space craft don't stand a chance landing on venus for more then a few seconds..which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02


Earth has like what .0002 % C02?

Mars atmosphere is made up of 95% C02

And ballons survive in that atmosphere...


Its the density of the C02..

What common sense and logic blows your mind?

No, common sense and logic don't blow my mind.

Earth has like what .0002 % C02?

More like 0.04%

Its the density of the C02

Okay. Back to your original claim.
Where did I screw up?
Be specific.

wtf?

You said C02 was a green house gas



Then I produced 3 planets...

We could therotically change mars atmosphere for human life..
No way in hell for venus.

You said C02 was a green house gas

Yes, CO2 is a green house gas.

Then I produced 3 planets...

Okay.

We could therotically change mars atmosphere for human life..

Yeah, that'd be cool.

No way in hell for venus

Probably not.

So, are you going to explain where I screwed up?
Sometime this century maybe?

 

[Crick]

Its not like Venus...which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02

Right. Mars is not like Venus.
Mars and Venus are not like Earth.

So how did I screw up?

What common sense and logic blows your mind?

A titanium space craft don't stand a chance landing on venus for more then a few seconds..which atmosphere is made up of almost 99% C02


Earth has like what .0002 % C02?

Mars atmosphere is made up of 95% C02

And ballons survive in that atmosphere...


Its the density of the C02..

What common sense and logic blows your mind?

No, common sense and logic don't blow my mind.

Earth has like what .0002 % C02?

More like 0.04%

Its the density of the C02

Okay. Back to your original claim.
Where did I screw up?
Be specific.

wtf?

You said C02 was a green house gas



Then I produced 3 planets...

We could therotically change mars atmosphere for human life..
No way in hell for venus.

You said C02 was a green house gas

Yes, CO2 is a green house gas.

Then I produced 3 planets...

Okay.

We could therotically change mars atmosphere for human life..

Yeah, that'd be cool.

No way in hell for venus

Probably not.

So, are you going to explain where I screwed up?
Sometime this century maybe?

The density of the atmosphere on Venus puts about 911 times as many CO2 molecules per cubic volume in front of a ray of light as does the atmosphere of Mars.

 

[Old Rocks]

Right. They didn't observe the absorbed spectrum. DERP!
You're welcome. Always glad to highlight your idiocy.

Except like providing observed CO2 affects on temperatures, the only highlight is mine. Thanks for playing

The question concerned empirical proof that CO2 and methane were greenhouse gases.
Again, glad to show your idiocy.

Wrong again batman. That's the question you wish I asked! Funny

you acctually saying co2 and methane are not greenhouse gases ?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15200469/

Of course they are.
Only idiots who believe in smart photons and don't understand the laws of thermodynamics say otherwise.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15200389/

And something never validated.<~~~~~Ignorant child comment

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15200612/

View attachment 88295

^Here's the validation
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15204496/


Observed? I think not!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15209080/

It is observed. You don't think.
DERP!

Mars atmosphere has 95% C02

You screwed up.

Damn. You are just plain stupid. The atmosphere of Mars is a near vacuum.

Atmosphere of Mars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The atmosphere of Mars is the layer of gases surrounding Mars. It is composed mostly of carbon dioxide. The atmospheric pressure on the Martian surface averages 600 pascals (0.087 psi; 6.0 mbar), about 0.6% of Earth's mean sea level pressure of 101.3 kilopascals (14.69 psi; 1.013 bar). It ranges from a low of 30 pascals (0.0044 psi; 0.30 mbar) on Olympus Mons's peak to over 1,155 pascals (0.1675 psi; 11.55 mbar) in the depths of Hellas Planitia. This pressure is well below the Armstrong limit for the unprotected human body. Mars's atmospheric mass of 25 teratonnes compares to Earth's 5148 teratonnes with a scale height of about 11 kilometres (6.8 mi) versus Earth's 7 kilometres (4.3 mi).

Atmosphere of Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pressure and thickness
Main article: Atmospheric pressure
The average atmospheric pressure at sea level is defined by the International Standard Atmosphere as 101325 pascals (760.00 Torr; 14.6959 psi; 760.00 mmHg). This is sometimes referred to as a unit of standard atmospheres (atm). Total atmospheric mass is 5.1480×1018 kg (1.135×1019 lb),[25] about 2.5% less than would be inferred from the average sea level pressure and Earth's area of 51007.2 megahectares, this portion being displaced by Earth's mountainous terrain. Atmospheric pressure is the total weight of the air above unit area at the point where the pressure is measured. Thus air pressure varies with location and weather.

At sea level, the atmospheric pressure on Earth is about 14 1/2 psi. On Mars, average is about 0.087 psi. That is not far from a hard vacuum. That is why Mars is a very cold planet.

 

[jc456]

Mars atmosphere has 95% C02

You screwed up.

Please explain further.

Your position is challenged and you keep posting modeled shit not observed. Any millennium eh?

Your position is challenged

Which position of mine is being challenged?

Observed

Observed what?

Exactly

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Please explain further.

Your position is challenged and you keep posting modeled shit not observed. Any millennium eh?

Your position is challenged

Which position of mine is being challenged?

Observed

Observed what?

Exactly

Exactly.

 

[IanC]

Your position is challenged and you keep posting modeled shit not observed. Any millennium eh?

Your position is challenged

Which position of mine is being challenged?

Observed

Observed what?

Exactly

Exactly.

Let's try a different tactic. Your graph shows that 10 micron surface IR radiation directly escapes into space. If we injected a GHG into the atmosphere that absorbed that radiation does anyone doubt that the atmosphere would warm up from extra retained energy and reduced energy loss to space?

This is the same scenario as CO2 trapping 15 micron IR. It obviously makes a difference.

 

[jc456]

Your position is challenged

Which position of mine is being challenged?

Observed

Observed what?

Exactly

Exactly.

Let's try a different tactic. Your graph shows that 10 micron surface IR radiation directly escapes into space. If we injected a GHG into the atmosphere that absorbed that radiation does anyone doubt that the atmosphere would warm up from extra retained energy and reduced energy loss to space?

This is the same scenario as CO2 trapping 15 micron IR. It obviously makes a difference.

You all crack me up, can't produce one observed CO2 affects temperature. Thanks

Maybe you can post that chart again, the one that has nothing to do with observed temperatures

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Observed

Observed what?

Exactly

Exactly.

Let's try a different tactic. Your graph shows that 10 micron surface IR radiation directly escapes into space. If we injected a GHG into the atmosphere that absorbed that radiation does anyone doubt that the atmosphere would warm up from extra retained energy and reduced energy loss to space?

This is the same scenario as CO2 trapping 15 micron IR. It obviously makes a difference.

You all crack me up, can't produce one observed CO2 affects temperature. Thanks

You don't understand the absorption spectrum I posted?
Well, that's certainly a shocker!

 

[jc456]

Observed what?

Exactly

Exactly.

Let's try a different tactic. Your graph shows that 10 micron surface IR radiation directly escapes into space. If we injected a GHG into the atmosphere that absorbed that radiation does anyone doubt that the atmosphere would warm up from extra retained energy and reduced energy loss to space?

This is the same scenario as CO2 trapping 15 micron IR. It obviously makes a difference.

You all crack me up, can't produce one observed CO2 affects temperature. Thanks

You don't understand the absorption spectrum I posted?
Well, that's certainly a shocker!

And you can't post observed temperatures affected by CO2. So big deal!

And that indeed is derp!

 

[Crick]

jc, do you actually not understand that graphic? Your response is always that you want temperature data. You can get some from Arrhenius experiment over a century back. That graphic is a measure of the energy from solar radiation that CO2 absorbs versus the frequency of that radiation. It shows that CO2 absorbs a large chunk of infrared light (radiant heat) that is not absorbed by any other gases in the atmosphere (like water vapor, methane and others). Please tell us whether or not your understand that point.

 

[jc456]

jc, do you actually not understand that graphic? Your response is always that you want temperature data. You can get some from Arrhenius experiment over a century back. That graphic is a measure of the energy from solar radiation that CO2 absorbs versus the frequency of that radiation. It shows that CO2 absorbs a large chunk of infrared light (radiant heat) that is not absorbed by any other gases in the atmosphere (like water vapor, methane and others). Please tell us whether or not your understand that point.

I want a post of captured CO2 and the temperature. Here's the temperature with 280 and here's the temperature with 400. The added 120 PPM. How much warmer does 120 PPM of CO2 make the surface from your nonsense belief. Zippola bubba. Zippola. It's called observed temperature increase. Where is it? Got any? If you don't, why not bite the bullet and just say you ain't got it? Why is that so hard for you? I recall you posting up just the link for IPCC AR5 report. You know, the one that doesn't have any of that there? come now s0n, post it up for me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Exactly

Exactly.

Let's try a different tactic. Your graph shows that 10 micron surface IR radiation directly escapes into space. If we injected a GHG into the atmosphere that absorbed that radiation does anyone doubt that the atmosphere would warm up from extra retained energy and reduced energy loss to space?

This is the same scenario as CO2 trapping 15 micron IR. It obviously makes a difference.

You all crack me up, can't produce one observed CO2 affects temperature. Thanks

You don't understand the absorption spectrum I posted?
Well, that's certainly a shocker!

And you can't post observed temperatures affected by CO2. So big deal!

And that indeed is derp!

And you can't post observed temperatures affected by CO2.

Feel free to ask a warmer for that.
I'm just glad I could get you to understand what "greenhouse gas" means.
Or not.

 

[jc456]

Exactly.

Let's try a different tactic. Your graph shows that 10 micron surface IR radiation directly escapes into space. If we injected a GHG into the atmosphere that absorbed that radiation does anyone doubt that the atmosphere would warm up from extra retained energy and reduced energy loss to space?

This is the same scenario as CO2 trapping 15 micron IR. It obviously makes a difference.

You all crack me up, can't produce one observed CO2 affects temperature. Thanks

You don't understand the absorption spectrum I posted?
Well, that's certainly a shocker!

And you can't post observed temperatures affected by CO2. So big deal!

And that indeed is derp!

And you can't post observed temperatures affected by CO2.

Feel free to ask a warmer for that.
I'm just glad I could get you to understand what "greenhouse gas" means.
Or not.

dude, no such thing, just remember that. It's either 'A' or 'B'. You can't seem to explain it or prove it. Greenhouses create humidity and that warms the greenhouse with the plastic or glass enclosure. I look up at the sky and I don't see a dome.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Let's try a different tactic. Your graph shows that 10 micron surface IR radiation directly escapes into space. If we injected a GHG into the atmosphere that absorbed that radiation does anyone doubt that the atmosphere would warm up from extra retained energy and reduced energy loss to space?

This is the same scenario as CO2 trapping 15 micron IR. It obviously makes a difference.

You all crack me up, can't produce one observed CO2 affects temperature. Thanks

You don't understand the absorption spectrum I posted?
Well, that's certainly a shocker!

And you can't post observed temperatures affected by CO2. So big deal!

And that indeed is derp!

And you can't post observed temperatures affected by CO2.

Feel free to ask a warmer for that.
I'm just glad I could get you to understand what "greenhouse gas" means.
Or not.

dude, no such thing, just remember that. It's either 'A' or 'B'. You can't seem to explain it or prove it. Greenhouses create humidity and that warms the greenhouse with the plastic or glass enclosure. I look up at the sky and I don't see a dome.

dude, no such thing,

Absorption spectrum still over your head?
Is that because CO2 doesn't absorb IR?
Or it does, but magically only re-emits to space, because...smart photons?

Greenhouses create humidity

Greenhouses are glass or plastic. They don't "create humidity".

and that warms the greenhouse with the plastic or glass enclosure.

Why would humidity "warm the greenhouse"?

 

[jc456]

You all crack me up, can't produce one observed CO2 affects temperature. Thanks

You don't understand the absorption spectrum I posted?
Well, that's certainly a shocker!

And you can't post observed temperatures affected by CO2. So big deal!

And that indeed is derp!

And you can't post observed temperatures affected by CO2.

Feel free to ask a warmer for that.
I'm just glad I could get you to understand what "greenhouse gas" means.
Or not.

dude, no such thing, just remember that. It's either 'A' or 'B'. You can't seem to explain it or prove it. Greenhouses create humidity and that warms the greenhouse with the plastic or glass enclosure. I look up at the sky and I don't see a dome.

dude, no such thing,

Absorption spectrum still over your head?
Is that because CO2 doesn't absorb IR?
Or it does, but magically only re-emits to space, because...smart photons?

Greenhouses create humidity

Greenhouses are glass or plastic. They don't "create humidity".

and that warms the greenhouse with the plastic or glass enclosure.

Why would humidity "warm the greenhouse"?

Greenhouses are glass or plastic. They don't "create humidity".

I'll go with this one:

Greenhouse Humidity Control | Relative Humidity Control | Cropking
"Plants not only contain a large proportion of water, they move large volumes of water through their tissues. Although water is used in photosynthesis, most of the water taken in by a plant is used in transpiration. That is, the water is taken in by the roots and evaporated through the leaves into the air. This process cools the plant. The relative humidity in the air can affect the flow of water through the plant: the higher the relative humidity, the more slowly transpiration occurs. If environmental changes that affect the transpiration rate are rapid enough, plant tissue damage can occur."