What the science says

[Toddsterpatriot]

High enough to violate the laws of physics.
SSDD can explain further.

Going from cooler to warmer, as you propose, clearly violates Newton's Second Law

Photons don't measure the temperature of their surroundings before "deciding to be emitted".
That would violate the laws of physics.

If what you say is true, then photons have an only a 50% probability of radiating away from the Sun.

The high-energy photons (gamma rays) released in fusion reactions take indirect paths to the Sun's surface. According to current models, random scattering from free electrons in the solar radiative zone (the zone within 75% of the solar radius, where heat transfer is by radiation) sets the photon diffusion time scale (or "photon travel time") from the core to the outer edge of the radiative zone at about 170,000 years. From there they cross into the convective zone (the remaining 25% of distance from the Sun's center), where the dominant transfer process changes to convection, and the speed at which heat moves outward becomes considerably faster.[12]

Solar core - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What point were you trying to make?

Atmosphere can significantly slow the escape of photons to space.

 

[jc456]

Going from cooler to warmer, as you propose, clearly violates Newton's Second Law

Photons don't measure the temperature of their surroundings before "deciding to be emitted".
That would violate the laws of physics.

If what you say is true, then photons have an only a 50% probability of radiating away from the Sun.

The high-energy photons (gamma rays) released in fusion reactions take indirect paths to the Sun's surface. According to current models, random scattering from free electrons in the solar radiative zone (the zone within 75% of the solar radius, where heat transfer is by radiation) sets the photon diffusion time scale (or "photon travel time") from the core to the outer edge of the radiative zone at about 170,000 years. From there they cross into the convective zone (the remaining 25% of distance from the Sun's center), where the dominant transfer process changes to convection, and the speed at which heat moves outward becomes considerably faster.[12]

Solar core - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What point were you trying to make?

Atmosphere can significantly slow the escape of photons to space.

so again, where's the earth hot spot in the atmosphere?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Photons don't measure the temperature of their surroundings before "deciding to be emitted".
That would violate the laws of physics.

If what you say is true, then photons have an only a 50% probability of radiating away from the Sun.

The high-energy photons (gamma rays) released in fusion reactions take indirect paths to the Sun's surface. According to current models, random scattering from free electrons in the solar radiative zone (the zone within 75% of the solar radius, where heat transfer is by radiation) sets the photon diffusion time scale (or "photon travel time") from the core to the outer edge of the radiative zone at about 170,000 years. From there they cross into the convective zone (the remaining 25% of distance from the Sun's center), where the dominant transfer process changes to convection, and the speed at which heat moves outward becomes considerably faster.[12]

Solar core - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What point were you trying to make?

Atmosphere can significantly slow the escape of photons to space.

so again, where's the earth hot spot in the atmosphere?

Ask someone who gives a shit.

 

[jc456]

If what you say is true, then photons have an only a 50% probability of radiating away from the Sun.

The high-energy photons (gamma rays) released in fusion reactions take indirect paths to the Sun's surface. According to current models, random scattering from free electrons in the solar radiative zone (the zone within 75% of the solar radius, where heat transfer is by radiation) sets the photon diffusion time scale (or "photon travel time") from the core to the outer edge of the radiative zone at about 170,000 years. From there they cross into the convective zone (the remaining 25% of distance from the Sun's center), where the dominant transfer process changes to convection, and the speed at which heat moves outward becomes considerably faster.[12]

Solar core - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What point were you trying to make?

Atmosphere can significantly slow the escape of photons to space.

so again, where's the earth hot spot in the atmosphere?

Ask someone who gives a shit.

I know you don't. Cause you can't back up your math chart with empirical evidence. You have two positions and neither can be proved.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The high-energy photons (gamma rays) released in fusion reactions take indirect paths to the Sun's surface. According to current models, random scattering from free electrons in the solar radiative zone (the zone within 75% of the solar radius, where heat transfer is by radiation) sets the photon diffusion time scale (or "photon travel time") from the core to the outer edge of the radiative zone at about 170,000 years. From there they cross into the convective zone (the remaining 25% of distance from the Sun's center), where the dominant transfer process changes to convection, and the speed at which heat moves outward becomes considerably faster.[12]

Solar core - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What point were you trying to make?

Atmosphere can significantly slow the escape of photons to space.

so again, where's the earth hot spot in the atmosphere?

Ask someone who gives a shit.

I know you don't. Cause you can't back up your math chart with empirical evidence. You have two positions and neither can be proved.

The chart was based on instrument measurements of downward long wave radiation.

I'm sorry you only understand every third word.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Going from cooler to warmer, as you propose, clearly violates Newton's Second Law

Photons don't measure the temperature of their surroundings before "deciding to be emitted".
That would violate the laws of physics.

If what you say is true, then photons have an only a 50% probability of radiating away from the Sun.

The high-energy photons (gamma rays) released in fusion reactions take indirect paths to the Sun's surface. According to current models, random scattering from free electrons in the solar radiative zone (the zone within 75% of the solar radius, where heat transfer is by radiation) sets the photon diffusion time scale (or "photon travel time") from the core to the outer edge of the radiative zone at about 170,000 years. From there they cross into the convective zone (the remaining 25% of distance from the Sun's center), where the dominant transfer process changes to convection, and the speed at which heat moves outward becomes considerably faster.[12]

Solar core - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What point were you trying to make?

Atmosphere can significantly slow the escape of photons to space.

What does that have to do with your "photons move randomly without regard to hear differential" theory

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Photons don't measure the temperature of their surroundings before "deciding to be emitted".
That would violate the laws of physics.

If what you say is true, then photons have an only a 50% probability of radiating away from the Sun.

The high-energy photons (gamma rays) released in fusion reactions take indirect paths to the Sun's surface. According to current models, random scattering from free electrons in the solar radiative zone (the zone within 75% of the solar radius, where heat transfer is by radiation) sets the photon diffusion time scale (or "photon travel time") from the core to the outer edge of the radiative zone at about 170,000 years. From there they cross into the convective zone (the remaining 25% of distance from the Sun's center), where the dominant transfer process changes to convection, and the speed at which heat moves outward becomes considerably faster.[12]

Solar core - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What point were you trying to make?

Atmosphere can significantly slow the escape of photons to space.

What does that have to do with your "photons move randomly without regard to hear differential" theory

Photons released in the Sun's core, moving randomly, take over 170,000 years to get to the radiative zone of the Sun.

Just as photons emitted by the Earth's surface, that would take a tiny fraction of a second to reach space, absent a greenhouse gas to absorb and re-emit them, take much longer to finally leave the atmosphere.

 

[jc456]

What point were you trying to make?

Atmosphere can significantly slow the escape of photons to space.

so again, where's the earth hot spot in the atmosphere?

Ask someone who gives a shit.

I know you don't. Cause you can't back up your math chart with empirical evidence. You have two positions and neither can be proved.

The chart was based on instrument measurements of downward long wave radiation.

I'm sorry you only understand every third word.

sure it was. How?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Atmosphere can significantly slow the escape of photons to space.

so again, where's the earth hot spot in the atmosphere?

Ask someone who gives a shit.

I know you don't. Cause you can't back up your math chart with empirical evidence. You have two positions and neither can be proved.

The chart was based on instrument measurements of downward long wave radiation.

I'm sorry you only understand every third word.

sure it was. How?

Radiometer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[jc456]

so again, where's the earth hot spot in the atmosphere?

Ask someone who gives a shit.

I know you don't. Cause you can't back up your math chart with empirical evidence. You have two positions and neither can be proved.

The chart was based on instrument measurements of downward long wave radiation.

I'm sorry you only understand every third word.

sure it was. How?

Radiometer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dude, you can post that until hell freezes over. It can't capture downwelling signals, it measures heat and not IR

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ask someone who gives a shit.

I know you don't. Cause you can't back up your math chart with empirical evidence. You have two positions and neither can be proved.

The chart was based on instrument measurements of downward long wave radiation.

I'm sorry you only understand every third word.

sure it was. How?

Radiometer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dude, you can post that until hell freezes over. It can't capture downwelling signals, it measures heat and not IR

it measures heat and not IR

What's the difference?
Why can't it measure IR?

 

[jc456]

I know you don't. Cause you can't back up your math chart with empirical evidence. You have two positions and neither can be proved.

The chart was based on instrument measurements of downward long wave radiation.

I'm sorry you only understand every third word.

sure it was. How?

Radiometer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dude, you can post that until hell freezes over. It can't capture downwelling signals, it measures heat and not IR

it measures heat and not IR

What's the difference?
Why can't it measure IR?

Cause it doesn't measure IR

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The chart was based on instrument measurements of downward long wave radiation.

I'm sorry you only understand every third word.

sure it was. How?

Radiometer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dude, you can post that until hell freezes over. It can't capture downwelling signals, it measures heat and not IR

it measures heat and not IR

What's the difference?
Why can't it measure IR?

Cause it doesn't measure IR

Cause it doesn't measure IR

Radiometer, instrument for detecting or measuring radiant energy. The term is applied in particular to devices used to measure infrared radiation.

radiometer | instrument

DERP!

 

[SSDD]

When a photon is absorbed by CO2, the CO2 heats up.

By how much...what temperature does it reach...and how hot would it have to get in order to effect the temperature of the 900,600 other molecules that happen to be surrounding it?

 

[SSDD]

Atmosphere can significantly slow the escape of photons to space.

So theoretical photons travel at less than the speed of light in the atmosphere?

 

[SSDD]

The chart was based on instrument measurements of downward long wave radiation.

The instrument doing the measuring was cooled to a temperature lower than that of the atmosphere...therefore it wasn't measuring back radiation...it was just measuring energy moving from the warmer atmosphere to the cooler instrument..

 

[SSDD]

Photons released in the Sun's core, moving randomly, take over 170,000 years to get to the radiative zone of the Sun.

Really?...According to Ian, photons cease to exist when they contact matter and impart their energy to it...how might a photon move around in the interior of the sun for 170,000 years and not contact any matter

Just as photons emitted by the Earth's surface, that would take a tiny fraction of a second to reach space, absent a greenhouse gas to absorb and re-emit them, take much longer to finally leave the atmosphere.

They take just a tiny fraction of a second with an atmosphere as well...the atmosphere does not slow the theoretical particles to a speed less than the speed of light.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When a photon is absorbed by CO2, the CO2 heats up.

By how much...what temperature does it reach...and how hot would it have to get in order to effect the temperature of the 900,600 other molecules that happen to be surrounding it?

By how much...what temperature does it reach

That would depend on the temperature it started at and the energy of the photon it absorbed.
Do we agree that it would "heat up"?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Atmosphere can significantly slow the escape of photons to space.

So theoretical photons travel at less than the speed of light in the atmosphere?

Why would you feel that?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The chart was based on instrument measurements of downward long wave radiation.

The instrument doing the measuring was cooled to a temperature lower than that of the atmosphere...therefore it wasn't measuring back radiation...it was just measuring energy moving from the warmer atmosphere to the cooler instrument..

The instrument doing the measuring was cooled to a temperature lower than that of the atmosphere...therefore it wasn't measuring back radiation

What is your definition of back radiation?