What the science says

[Toddsterpatriot]

Photons released in the Sun's core, moving randomly, take over 170,000 years to get to the radiative zone of the Sun.

Really?...According to Ian, photons cease to exist when they contact matter and impart their energy to it...how might a photon move around in the interior of the sun for 170,000 years and not contact any matter

Just as photons emitted by the Earth's surface, that would take a tiny fraction of a second to reach space, absent a greenhouse gas to absorb and re-emit them, take much longer to finally leave the atmosphere.

They take just a tiny fraction of a second with an atmosphere as well...the atmosphere does not slow the theoretical particles to a speed less than the speed of light.

According to Ian, photons cease to exist when they contact matter and impart their energy to it

Sounds good to me. Do you disagree?

 

[IanC]

When a photon is absorbed by CO2, the CO2 heats up.

By how much...what temperature does it reach...and how hot would it have to get in order to effect the temperature of the 900,600 other molecules that happen to be surrounding it?

The atmosphere is a huge reservoir of stored energy. Part of it in kinetic energy, the speed of the molecules; part of it in potential energy, mostly the height of the molecule in the gravity field.

Molecular collisions are constantly redistributing the amount potential/kinetic energy for any one molecule.

Temperature is the measurement of average kinetic speed of the molecules in any one specific volume. Temperature does not measure total energy just the speed.

A CO2 molecule that absorbs a photon increases its potential energy (ignoring the tiny exchange of momentum which is the basis of entropy). This potential energy is added to total energy which is then redistributed via molecular collisions, on average partially to kinetic energy AKA temperature.

SSDD thinks photons measure the temperature of their destination. But that is only a portion of the total energy. How can the photon derive the total energy to make sure it is only going from high energy to lower energy? A slower moving molecule higher up in the gravity field can easily have more total energy than a faster moving but lower one. SSDD is wacko.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

When a photon is absorbed by CO2, the CO2 heats up.

By how much...what temperature does it reach...and how hot would it have to get in order to effect the temperature of the 900,600 other molecules that happen to be surrounding it?

The atmosphere is a huge reservoir of stored energy. Part of it in kinetic energy, the speed of the molecules; part of it in potential energy, mostly the height of the molecule in the gravity field.

Molecular collisions are constantly redistributing the amount potential/kinetic energy for any one molecule.

Temperature is the measurement of average kinetic speed of the molecules in any one specific volume. Temperature does not measure total energy just the speed.

A CO2 molecule that absorbs a photon increases its potential energy (ignoring the tiny exchange of momentum which is the basis of entropy). This potential energy is added to total energy which is then redistributed via molecular collisions, on average partially to kinetic energy AKA temperature.

SSDD thinks photons measure the temperature of their destination. But that is only a portion of the total energy. How can the photon derive the total energy to make sure it is only going from high energy to lower energy? A slower moving molecule higher up in the gravity field can easily have more total energy than a faster moving but lower one. SSDD is wacko.

So you're also in the "Photons move at random without regard to heat differential" school of physics. Interesting

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When a photon is absorbed by CO2, the CO2 heats up.

By how much...what temperature does it reach...and how hot would it have to get in order to effect the temperature of the 900,600 other molecules that happen to be surrounding it?

The atmosphere is a huge reservoir of stored energy. Part of it in kinetic energy, the speed of the molecules; part of it in potential energy, mostly the height of the molecule in the gravity field.

Molecular collisions are constantly redistributing the amount potential/kinetic energy for any one molecule.

Temperature is the measurement of average kinetic speed of the molecules in any one specific volume. Temperature does not measure total energy just the speed.

A CO2 molecule that absorbs a photon increases its potential energy (ignoring the tiny exchange of momentum which is the basis of entropy). This potential energy is added to total energy which is then redistributed via molecular collisions, on average partially to kinetic energy AKA temperature.

SSDD thinks photons measure the temperature of their destination. But that is only a portion of the total energy. How can the photon derive the total energy to make sure it is only going from high energy to lower energy? A slower moving molecule higher up in the gravity field can easily have more total energy than a faster moving but lower one. SSDD is wacko.

So you're also in the "Photons move at random without regard to heat differential" school of physics. Interesting

How do you think photons move?

 

[IanC]

When a photon is absorbed by CO2, the CO2 heats up.

By how much...what temperature does it reach...and how hot would it have to get in order to effect the temperature of the 900,600 other molecules that happen to be surrounding it?

The atmosphere is a huge reservoir of stored energy. Part of it in kinetic energy, the speed of the molecules; part of it in potential energy, mostly the height of the molecule in the gravity field.

Molecular collisions are constantly redistributing the amount potential/kinetic energy for any one molecule.

Temperature is the measurement of average kinetic speed of the molecules in any one specific volume. Temperature does not measure total energy just the speed.

A CO2 molecule that absorbs a photon increases its potential energy (ignoring the tiny exchange of momentum which is the basis of entropy). This potential energy is added to total energy which is then redistributed via molecular collisions, on average partially to kinetic energy AKA temperature.

SSDD thinks photons measure the temperature of their destination. But that is only a portion of the total energy. How can the photon derive the total energy to make sure it is only going from high energy to lower energy? A slower moving molecule higher up in the gravity field can easily have more total energy than a faster moving but lower one. SSDD is wacko.

So you're also in the "Photons move at random without regard to heat differential" school of physics. Interesting

Photons are emitted according to the internal conditions of the emitters. Not outside influences.

Is there any other schools of physics? Link me up.

 

[IanC]

Photons released in the Sun's core, moving randomly, take over 170,000 years to get to the radiative zone of the Sun.

Really?...According to Ian, photons cease to exist when they contact matter and impart their energy to it...how might a photon move around in the interior of the sun for 170,000 years and not contact any matter

Just as photons emitted by the Earth's surface, that would take a tiny fraction of a second to reach space, absent a greenhouse gas to absorb and re-emit them, take much longer to finally leave the atmosphere.

They take just a tiny fraction of a second with an atmosphere as well...the atmosphere does not slow the theoretical particles to a speed less than the speed of light.

According to Ian, photons cease to exist when they contact matter and impart their energy to it

Sounds good to me. Do you disagree?

A slight clarification is in order. Photons can be refracted , reflected, etc. They don't have to be absorbed. But any changes to the quality of photons only happens in the presence of matter. Photons have no influence on other photons in the absence of matter.

 

[SSDD]

So you're also in the "Photons move at random without regard to heat differential" school of physics. Interesting

He is quite sure that the whole "neither heat nor energy move spontaneously from cool to warm" is just a loosely held guideline and not a rigid law of nature....which is what one must believe if one is to buy into the warmist religion.

 

[SSDD]

A slight clarification is in order. Photons can be refracted , reflected, etc. They don't have to be absorbed. But any changes to the quality of photons only happens in the presence of matter. Photons have no influence on other photons in the absence of matter.

So let me ask you, since you seem to be on a first name basis with these theoretical particles....do you believe as toddster states that a photon can rattle around in the sun for 170,000 years before finally escaping the sun?

 

[IanC]

A slight clarification is in order. Photons can be refracted , reflected, etc. They don't have to be absorbed. But any changes to the quality of photons only happens in the presence of matter. Photons have no influence on other photons in the absence of matter.

So let me ask you, since you seem to be on a first name basis with these theoretical particles....do you believe as toddster states that a photon can rattle around in the sun for 170,000 years before finally escaping the sun?

I was under the impression that it was about a million years from reading Gamow as a kid. Presumably there have been refinements since then.

 

[SSDD]

Not an answer...but then, you have really taken to the shuck and jive wholeheartedly lately...so no actual answer was really expected.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

When a photon is absorbed by CO2, the CO2 heats up.

By how much...what temperature does it reach...and how hot would it have to get in order to effect the temperature of the 900,600 other molecules that happen to be surrounding it?

The atmosphere is a huge reservoir of stored energy. Part of it in kinetic energy, the speed of the molecules; part of it in potential energy, mostly the height of the molecule in the gravity field.

Molecular collisions are constantly redistributing the amount potential/kinetic energy for any one molecule.

Temperature is the measurement of average kinetic speed of the molecules in any one specific volume. Temperature does not measure total energy just the speed.

A CO2 molecule that absorbs a photon increases its potential energy (ignoring the tiny exchange of momentum which is the basis of entropy). This potential energy is added to total energy which is then redistributed via molecular collisions, on average partially to kinetic energy AKA temperature.

SSDD thinks photons measure the temperature of their destination. But that is only a portion of the total energy. How can the photon derive the total energy to make sure it is only going from high energy to lower energy? A slower moving molecule higher up in the gravity field can easily have more total energy than a faster moving but lower one. SSDD is wacko.

So you're also in the "Photons move at random without regard to heat differential" school of physics. Interesting

How do you think photons move?

From warmer to cool. With respect to much in physics, we're living in Flatlands. There's a lot that happens around us that we don't understand, don't have access to and just assume 97% of it is made of forces we invented to get the numbers to work.

 

[IanC]

Not an answer...but then, you have really taken to the shuck and jive wholeheartedly lately...so no actual answer was really expected.

Not an answer? I said 1,000,000 years instead of 170,000 years. But based on old calculations. Still in the same order of magnitude.

Are you saying less? Or more? Based on what exactly? Gut feelings?

 

[IanC]

So you're also in the "Photons move at random without regard to heat differential" school of physics. Interesting

He is quite sure that the whole "neither heat nor energy move spontaneously from cool to warm" is just a loosely held guideline and not a rigid law of nature....which is what one must believe if one is to buy into the warmist religion.

Statistical thermodynamics actually explain why the macro features of the SLOT work. Individual atomic interactions are not governed by the Laws of the macroscopic world, the macroscopic Laws are determined by the statistical mechanics of atomic events. There is no mechanism that controls atomic events other than the internal conditions of the individual particles involved.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When a photon is absorbed by CO2, the CO2 heats up.

By how much...what temperature does it reach...and how hot would it have to get in order to effect the temperature of the 900,600 other molecules that happen to be surrounding it?

The atmosphere is a huge reservoir of stored energy. Part of it in kinetic energy, the speed of the molecules; part of it in potential energy, mostly the height of the molecule in the gravity field.

Molecular collisions are constantly redistributing the amount potential/kinetic energy for any one molecule.

Temperature is the measurement of average kinetic speed of the molecules in any one specific volume. Temperature does not measure total energy just the speed.

A CO2 molecule that absorbs a photon increases its potential energy (ignoring the tiny exchange of momentum which is the basis of entropy). This potential energy is added to total energy which is then redistributed via molecular collisions, on average partially to kinetic energy AKA temperature.

SSDD thinks photons measure the temperature of their destination. But that is only a portion of the total energy. How can the photon derive the total energy to make sure it is only going from high energy to lower energy? A slower moving molecule higher up in the gravity field can easily have more total energy than a faster moving but lower one. SSDD is wacko.

So you're also in the "Photons move at random without regard to heat differential" school of physics. Interesting

How do you think photons move?

From warmer to cool. With respect to much in physics, we're living in Flatlands. There's a lot that happens around us that we don't understand, don't have access to and just assume 97% of it is made of forces we invented to get the numbers to work.

From warmer to cool.

Any backup for your claim?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

By how much...what temperature does it reach...and how hot would it have to get in order to effect the temperature of the 900,600 other molecules that happen to be surrounding it?

The atmosphere is a huge reservoir of stored energy. Part of it in kinetic energy, the speed of the molecules; part of it in potential energy, mostly the height of the molecule in the gravity field.

Molecular collisions are constantly redistributing the amount potential/kinetic energy for any one molecule.

Temperature is the measurement of average kinetic speed of the molecules in any one specific volume. Temperature does not measure total energy just the speed.

A CO2 molecule that absorbs a photon increases its potential energy (ignoring the tiny exchange of momentum which is the basis of entropy). This potential energy is added to total energy which is then redistributed via molecular collisions, on average partially to kinetic energy AKA temperature.

SSDD thinks photons measure the temperature of their destination. But that is only a portion of the total energy. How can the photon derive the total energy to make sure it is only going from high energy to lower energy? A slower moving molecule higher up in the gravity field can easily have more total energy than a faster moving but lower one. SSDD is wacko.

So you're also in the "Photons move at random without regard to heat differential" school of physics. Interesting

How do you think photons move?

From warmer to cool. With respect to much in physics, we're living in Flatlands. There's a lot that happens around us that we don't understand, don't have access to and just assume 97% of it is made of forces we invented to get the numbers to work.

From warmer to cool.

Any backup for your claim?

Yes. About 50% of the time, the pot of water on the stove cools down the flames that were trying to make it boil, it's annoying but it's in line with your laws of physics

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The atmosphere is a huge reservoir of stored energy. Part of it in kinetic energy, the speed of the molecules; part of it in potential energy, mostly the height of the molecule in the gravity field.

Molecular collisions are constantly redistributing the amount potential/kinetic energy for any one molecule.

Temperature is the measurement of average kinetic speed of the molecules in any one specific volume. Temperature does not measure total energy just the speed.

A CO2 molecule that absorbs a photon increases its potential energy (ignoring the tiny exchange of momentum which is the basis of entropy). This potential energy is added to total energy which is then redistributed via molecular collisions, on average partially to kinetic energy AKA temperature.

SSDD thinks photons measure the temperature of their destination. But that is only a portion of the total energy. How can the photon derive the total energy to make sure it is only going from high energy to lower energy? A slower moving molecule higher up in the gravity field can easily have more total energy than a faster moving but lower one. SSDD is wacko.

So you're also in the "Photons move at random without regard to heat differential" school of physics. Interesting

How do you think photons move?

From warmer to cool. With respect to much in physics, we're living in Flatlands. There's a lot that happens around us that we don't understand, don't have access to and just assume 97% of it is made of forces we invented to get the numbers to work.

From warmer to cool.

Any backup for your claim?

Yes. About 50% of the time, the pot of water on the stove cools down the flames that were trying to make it boil, it's annoying but it's in line with your laws of physics

Yes.

Excellent. Can't wait for you to post some.

 

[Brambo]

The atmosphere is a huge reservoir of stored energy. Part of it in kinetic energy, the speed of the molecules; part of it in potential energy, mostly the height of the molecule in the gravity field.

Molecular collisions are constantly redistributing the amount potential/kinetic energy for any one molecule.

Temperature is the measurement of average kinetic speed of the molecules in any one specific volume. Temperature does not measure total energy just the speed.

A CO2 molecule that absorbs a photon increases its potential energy (ignoring the tiny exchange of momentum which is the basis of entropy). This potential energy is added to total energy which is then redistributed via molecular collisions, on average partially to kinetic energy AKA temperature.

SSDD thinks photons measure the temperature of their destination. But that is only a portion of the total energy. How can the photon derive the total energy to make sure it is only going from high energy to lower energy? A slower moving molecule higher up in the gravity field can easily have more total energy than a faster moving but lower one. SSDD is wacko.

So you're also in the "Photons move at random without regard to heat differential" school of physics. Interesting

How do you think photons move?

From warmer to cool. With respect to much in physics, we're living in Flatlands. There's a lot that happens around us that we don't understand, don't have access to and just assume 97% of it is made of forces we invented to get the numbers to work.

From warmer to cool.

Any backup for your claim?

Yes. About 50% of the time, the pot of water on the stove cools down the flames that were trying to make it boil, it's annoying but it's in line with your laws of physics

Bwahahaah you guys are fucking metaphysics RETARDS!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you're also in the "Photons move at random without regard to heat differential" school of physics. Interesting

How do you think photons move?

From warmer to cool. With respect to much in physics, we're living in Flatlands. There's a lot that happens around us that we don't understand, don't have access to and just assume 97% of it is made of forces we invented to get the numbers to work.

From warmer to cool.

Any backup for your claim?

Yes. About 50% of the time, the pot of water on the stove cools down the flames that were trying to make it boil, it's annoying but it's in line with your laws of physics

Bwahahaah you guys are fucking metaphysics RETARDS!

That's funny, coming from the guy who thinks pumped-storage is being used in Iowa wind power systems.

 

[Brambo]

How do you think photons move?

From warmer to cool. With respect to much in physics, we're living in Flatlands. There's a lot that happens around us that we don't understand, don't have access to and just assume 97% of it is made of forces we invented to get the numbers to work.

From warmer to cool.

Any backup for your claim?

Yes. About 50% of the time, the pot of water on the stove cools down the flames that were trying to make it boil, it's annoying but it's in line with your laws of physics

Bwahahaah you guys are fucking metaphysics RETARDS!

That's funny, coming from the guy who thinks pumped-storage is being used in Iowa wind power systems.

There are 3 electrical grids in the US and all of them are interconnected.

When Wind energy generation is greater than load to its customers they transmit energy to pumped storage. The pumped storage isn't IN IOWA.

Holocaust Deniers...you guys are so stupid.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

From warmer to cool. With respect to much in physics, we're living in Flatlands. There's a lot that happens around us that we don't understand, don't have access to and just assume 97% of it is made of forces we invented to get the numbers to work.

From warmer to cool.

Any backup for your claim?

Yes. About 50% of the time, the pot of water on the stove cools down the flames that were trying to make it boil, it's annoying but it's in line with your laws of physics

Bwahahaah you guys are fucking metaphysics RETARDS!

That's funny, coming from the guy who thinks pumped-storage is being used in Iowa wind power systems.

There are 3 electrical grids in the US and all of them are interconnected.

When Wind energy generation is greater than load to its customers they transmit energy to pumped storage. The pumped storage isn't IN IOWA.

Holocaust Deniers...you guys are so stupid.

Wind energy in Iowa powers pumped storage somewhere else in the country?

Tell me more!!!

A link would be nice, fucktard.