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how could they even have thought this bill would work when we had about 15 trillion in debt? this is like going on a 4 million dollar vacation with one thousand in your pocket and charging the rest.
and the primary thing we kept hearing from advocates, but it covered pre-exsisting condidtions, then the host says, yah, But Who Pays For It? they may as well had answered, "The Middle Class Pays" F the Middle Class, they all got too much money anwyay.how could they even have thought this bill would work when we had about 15 trillion in debt? this is like going on a 4 million dollar vacation with one thousand in your pocket and charging the rest.
I think the idea was based on good intentions. Unfortunately for the country the thing was passed with only liberal support. As we all know the outcome of anything liberal is always the opposite of the stated intent and we are seeing that now.
I am all for everyone having access to healthcare.
I think most people should have a stake in the game.
I think making the health care we receive affordable is the ultimate goal. You know, like back in the olden days when you could afford to pay the hospital for delivering your baby. Now it would bankrupt a lot of people.
and the primary thing we kept hearing from advocates, but it covered pre-exsisting condidtions, then the host says, yah, But Who Pays For It? they may as well had answered, "The Middle Class Pays" F the Middle Class, they all got too much money anwyay.how could they even have thought this bill would work when we had about 15 trillion in debt? this is like going on a 4 million dollar vacation with one thousand in your pocket and charging the rest.
I think the idea was based on good intentions. Unfortunately for the country the thing was passed with only liberal support. As we all know the outcome of anything liberal is always the opposite of the stated intent and we are seeing that now.
I am all for everyone having access to healthcare.
I think most people should have a stake in the game.
I think making the health care we receive affordable is the ultimate goal. You know, like back in the olden days when you could afford to pay the hospital for delivering your baby. Now it would bankrupt a lot of people.
but wouldnt single payer have to pass thru congress first? oopshow could they even have thought this bill would work when we had about 15 trillion in debt? this is like going on a 4 million dollar vacation with one thousand in your pocket and charging the rest.
Liberals are fine with failure, look the liberals goal is 100% single payer government healthcare where every last person in the US is forced to pay into it and liberals control all that money and our healthcare system. That my friend is how you grow big government.
but wouldnt single payer have to pass thru congress first? oopshow could they even have thought this bill would work when we had about 15 trillion in debt? this is like going on a 4 million dollar vacation with one thousand in your pocket and charging the rest.
Liberals are fine with failure, look the liberals goal is 100% single payer government healthcare where every last person in the US is forced to pay into it and liberals control all that money and our healthcare system. That my friend is how you grow big government.
This is the only fair conclusion as we come close to the decision of what to do about subsidies. Let the states who don't want anything to do with Obama-Care proceed with Republican plan to allow anyone to buy policies within or over state lines. Pretty much just bring back the health-care system we had before the democrats screwed it up big time!!
What is the problem of just making Obama-Care Optional?
The individual mandate isn't being debated at all in the Supreme Court, that was back in 2012 and it was already ruled constitutional.
The system we had before was a complete mess, especially for people who couldn't get access to coverage due to pre-existing conditions. The reason for the individual mandate (A right wing Heritage Foundation idea...) is to avoid a death spiral of just having sick, disabled people buying insurance and driving insurance companies bankrupt since they can't turn them down anymore. It's also a tax against people who gamble their health and then just rely on ER care to fix any problems, costing taxpayers money anyway.
Me thinks the threat of losing all of a person's life saving in the case of an accident or sickness is enough of a mandate to buy insurance, just like all other insurances. What I think should have been done is as much as possible for cost containment. And not doing it so most people are on medicaid or medicare and the government dictates prices. That only drives the cost up for everyone else.
It actually is debatable if the mandate is redundant if you make the insurance affordable, but it's understandable that the risk is there nonetheless.
My opinion, it is not debatable. I certainly would not leave an escape clause that allows someone to skate until they are sick then just buy in.
the idea would of worked if we had full employment! they passed the bill when we already had about 15/20 per-cent unemployed and small businesses shutting down at an alarming rate. so where would the money come from in the middle of the Obama-Recession?how could they even have thought this bill would work when we had about 15 trillion in debt? this is like going on a 4 million dollar vacation with one thousand in your pocket and charging the rest.
I think the idea was based on good intentions. Unfortunately for the country the thing was passed with only liberal support. As we all know the outcome of anything liberals is always the opposite of the stated intent and we are seeing that now.
I am all for everyone having access to healthcare.
I think most people should have a stake in the game.
I think making the health care we receive affordable is the ultimate goal. You know, like back in the olden days when you could afford to pay the hospital for delivering your baby. Now it would bankrupt a lot of people.
its going down anyway, when we hit 20 trillion in debt, obama care goes down the toilet.but wouldnt single payer have to pass thru congress first? oopshow could they even have thought this bill would work when we had about 15 trillion in debt? this is like going on a 4 million dollar vacation with one thousand in your pocket and charging the rest.
Liberals are fine with failure, look the liberals goal is 100% single payer government healthcare where every last person in the US is forced to pay into it and liberals control all that money and our healthcare system. That my friend is how you grow big government.
Don't be too sure, Obama has already made law, Congress seems more then happy to keep giving him more power.
is there any particular day?or do we just wait for the decsion?The SCOTUS is not suppose to make law. To do as you ask they would need to send it back to Congress, at least in my opinion.
The Court will strike down Obama's illegal payments to people on the federal exchanges.
Obama will demand a "clean bill" that restores those subsidies.
The GOP will cavil, carp, debate, bitch, piss, and moan. And then do what he wants. Because it's just easier.
What they ought to do is put the subsidies in but take out all the other crap, like the mandates, the guaranteed issue and the other crap. And allow policies to be sold across state lines.
WTF? Do you understand the economics of drug production?The Court will strike down Obama's illegal payments to people on the federal exchanges.
Obama will demand a "clean bill" that restores those subsidies.
The GOP will cavil, carp, debate, bitch, piss, and moan. And then do what he wants. Because it's just easier.
What they ought to do is put the subsidies in but take out all the other crap, like the mandates, the guaranteed issue and the other crap. And allow policies to be sold across state lines.
And rein in the drug companies.
What is the problem of just making Obama-Care Optional?
The individual mandate isn't being debated at all in the Supreme Court, that was back in 2012 and it was already ruled constitutional.
The system we had before was a complete mess, especially for people who couldn't get access to coverage due to pre-existing conditions. The reason for the individual mandate (A right wing Heritage Foundation idea...) is to avoid a death spiral of just having sick, disabled people buying insurance and driving insurance companies bankrupt since they can't turn them down anymore. It's also a tax against people who gamble their health and then just rely on ER care to fix any problems, costing taxpayers money anyway.
Me thinks the threat of losing all of a person's life saving in the case of an accident or sickness is enough of a mandate to buy insurance, just like all other insurances. What I think should have been done is as much as possible for cost containment. And not doing it so most people are on medicaid or medicare and the government dictates prices. That only drives the cost up for everyone else.
It actually is debatable if the mandate is redundant if you make the insurance affordable, but it's understandable that the risk is there nonetheless.
My opinion, it is not debatable. I certainly would not leave an escape clause that allows someone to skate until they are sick then just buy in.
They can't, you can only purchase insurance with the exchanges during the open enrollment period.
WTF? Do you understand the economics of drug production?The Court will strike down Obama's illegal payments to people on the federal exchanges.
Obama will demand a "clean bill" that restores those subsidies.
The GOP will cavil, carp, debate, bitch, piss, and moan. And then do what he wants. Because it's just easier.
What they ought to do is put the subsidies in but take out all the other crap, like the mandates, the guaranteed issue and the other crap. And allow policies to be sold across state lines.
And rein in the drug companies.
but wouldnt single payer have to pass thru congress first? oopshow could they even have thought this bill would work when we had about 15 trillion in debt? this is like going on a 4 million dollar vacation with one thousand in your pocket and charging the rest.
Liberals are fine with failure, look the liberals goal is 100% single payer government healthcare where every last person in the US is forced to pay into it and liberals control all that money and our healthcare system. That my friend is how you grow big government.
i wonder how many people have to die before they repeal this thingbut wouldnt single payer have to pass thru congress first? oopshow could they even have thought this bill would work when we had about 15 trillion in debt? this is like going on a 4 million dollar vacation with one thousand in your pocket and charging the rest.
Liberals are fine with failure, look the liberals goal is 100% single payer government healthcare where every last person in the US is forced to pay into it and liberals control all that money and our healthcare system. That my friend is how you grow big government.
Yes, hence creating a crisis and chaos with Obamacare.
OK so the answer is No, you dont understand the ecoomics of it.WTF? Do you understand the economics of drug production?The Court will strike down Obama's illegal payments to people on the federal exchanges.
Obama will demand a "clean bill" that restores those subsidies.
The GOP will cavil, carp, debate, bitch, piss, and moan. And then do what he wants. Because it's just easier.
What they ought to do is put the subsidies in but take out all the other crap, like the mandates, the guaranteed issue and the other crap. And allow policies to be sold across state lines.
And rein in the drug companies.
I do understand that the same drugs in Canada and Mexico cost a whole lot less. I also understand that Obama went behind closed doors to make a deal with the drug companies. So yeah I think I see what went on.
