Zone1 What to Do with Gaza?

[rosends]

Reality doesn't align with your fantasy that Israel isn't occupying Palestinian lands and isn't an apartheid state. The whole world that has a conscience and at least half a brain knows that's the case.

Thank you for putting my words in such large and bold fonts so more people can see them! You still don't actually understand what occupation and apartheid are and mean so you keep posting the same silliness. But thanks for the PR!

Hamas exists because violence is the only language ZioNazis like you understand and appreciate.

So you admit that Hamas' charge is to be violent. Great.

Palestinians are defending themselves against the Zionist terrorist state of "Israel" that is occupying their lands, murdering their people and dehumanizing them.

More errors on your part. Israel was not in Gaza when Hamas invaded Israel and murdered civilians.

There's no proof that Hamas now has anyone operating within the hospital or that there's a "Hamas headquarters" there in the building or under it.

Well, there is, but you refuse to accept that it exists.

Even if in the past that was the case it doesn't imply that it is still the situation today.

But the current video shows that it IS the case.

Chilling footage shows Hamas operating out of 2 Gaza hospitals, says Israel — as troops prepare to invade area

“If it weren’t enough that we exposed a tunnel under the hospital, the terrorists also shot at our soldiers from within the hospital,” an Israeli Defense Forces spokesman said Sunday.

nypost.com

Practically everything that comes out of your Israeli "Hasbara Department" is BULLSHIT.

Ah, so if you don't like the source you just deny everything. Got it.

Oct 7th didn't happen in a vacuum.

True -- it has to be contextualized within the light of October 6, right? On October 6, there was peace. There's your context for an invasion and murders.

You occupy their lands,

Untrue.

dehumanize and murder them,

untrue but constantly adorable.

The Israeli infrastructure around Gaza, including the Kibuttzim serves the purpose of oppressing and killing Palestinians.

Not exactly .

It serves the Israeli military, many Israeli soldiers live in those communities. You're a colonialist, racist, settler society, that has been imprisoning the people of Gaza in a giant concentration camp, an open-air prison for over a decade, then you wonder why Oct 7th happened? Your denial of the Israeli occupation and colonial project only ensures the violence continues. You're never going to eliminate Hamas by bombing Gaza to the ground and killing civilians.

You really know nothing but have been guzzling the kool-aid for a while, it seems.

Israel has been bombing Gaza for over a decade. The current genocidal bombing campaign isn't new, this has happened in the past at a smaller scale. In 2021, in 2018, 2014, 2009....etc. Major bombing operations have killed hundreds, even over a thousand civilians.

Have you correlated any of that with rockets fired from Gaza? Or do you think they were random and capricious actions by Israel?

You control the water, electricity, all supplies, the air, the sea, and everything around Gaza.

Not actually true, but why confuse you with facts. Did you know that the water that comes from Israel is just 13 percent of the water supply? Of course you don't.

The people aren't allowed to leave and return, without getting an almost impossible to obtain permit.

Have you spoken to Egypt about that? Have you tried bombing them or invading and killing their civilians? That might convince them.

Then you wonder why Oct 7th?

Nope, I don't wonder. I understand vile hatred against Israel.

Keep deluding yourself thinking it's permissible to slaughter civilians under the circumstances Israel is in.

Keep spouting in ignorance.

Not when a government is illegally occupying land and those who are being occupied defend themselves.

Since that isn't the case, why mention it?

Your Zionist apartheid state is an illegal colonial project and hence doesn't have the same rights as other sovereign states.

As you are in no position of any authority to make this pronouncement, I'll just giggle at it as I giggle at your other stupidity.

You missed the point. The Israelis would not kill thousands of Jews in a hospital to kill a few Hamas fighters or to destroy Hamas facilities.

You missed the point. The Gaza population has remained silent and the Israeli population wouldn't.

If the circumstances didn't allow Israelis to leave the hospital or the location where Hamas is operating underground or secretly embedded among the Jews, the Israeli government wouldn't sacrifice hundreds, or thousands of Jewish lives to kill a few Hamas fighters. You know that, but since the civilians in Gaza are "goyim", you slaughter them.

Since you know nothing, your presumptions amount to nothing.

Women and children throwing rocks at Hamas?

Right -- they are only trained to throw them at Israelis. Did you have any other lies and errors you wanted to post, yet again?

 

[alang1216]

All of it.
There's no necessary relationship between building Jewish settlements in the West Bank and removing all the Arabs from Israel.

Oh, I don't know about that. I think making the Palestinians even more of a minority with ever decreasing political power and at the same time making their daily lives harder and harder would be an excellent incentive for them to leave.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Oh, I don't know about that.

That's sad.

 

[surada]

And they are right.

The point is that Palestinians are not allowed to return home.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Thank you for putting my words in such large and bold fonts so more people can see them! You still don't actually understand what occupation and apartheid are and mean so you keep posting the same silliness. But thanks for the PR!

So you admit that Hamas' charge is to be violent. Great.

More errors on your part. Israel was not in Gaza when Hamas invaded Israel and murdered civilians.

Well, there is, but you refuse to accept that it exists.

But the current video shows that it IS the case.

Chilling footage shows Hamas operating out of 2 Gaza hospitals, says Israel — as troops prepare to invade area

“If it weren’t enough that we exposed a tunnel under the hospital, the terrorists also shot at our soldiers from within the hospital,” an Israeli Defense Forces spokesman said Sunday.

nypost.com

Ah, so if you don't like the source you just deny everything. Got it.

True -- it has to be contextualized within the light of October 6, right? On October 6, there was peace. There's your context for an invasion and murders.

Untrue.

untrue but constantly adorable.

Not exactly .


You really know nothing but have been guzzling the kool-aid for a while, it seems.

Have you correlated any of that with rockets fired from Gaza? Or do you think they were random and capricious actions by Israel?

Not actually true, but why confuse you with facts. Did you know that the water that comes from Israel is just 13 percent of the water supply? Of course you don't.

Have you spoken to Egypt about that? Have you tried bombing them or invading and killing their civilians? That might convince them.

Nope, I don't wonder. I understand vile hatred against Israel.

Keep spouting in ignorance.

Since that isn't the case, why mention it?

As you are in no position of any authority to make this pronouncement, I'll just giggle at it as I giggle at your other stupidity.

You missed the point. The Gaza population has remained silent and the Israeli population wouldn't.

Since you know nothing, your presumptions amount to nothing.

Right -- they are only trained to throw them at Israelis. Did you have any other lies and errors you wanted to post, yet again?

Not actually true, but why confuse you with facts. Did you know that the water that comes from Israel is just 13 percent of the water supply? Of course you don't.

" Prior to this war, the water situation in Gaza was already dire. The World Health Organization said that Gaza’s water supply was unable to meet the minimum requirement for daily per capita water consumption."

“At least 95% of the freshwater (from the aquifer) is either inaccessible or not drinkable,” said Jordan Fischbach, director of planning and policy research at The Water Institute and author of a report on the public health impacts of Gaza’s water crisis in 2018.

" As a result, the Coastal Aquifer — the primary source of Gaza’s water — is essentially out of commission. Residents of Gaza are now left with only about 20% of their needs filled. But those sources have also proven to be unreliable.

The first are the pipelines, which were built with funding from international humanitarian aid. The pipelines run from Israel-controlled fresh aquifers and the water is paid for by the Palestinian National Authority (PA) in the West Bank. These are the pipelines that Israel stopped sending water from following Hamas’ attack on Israeli civilians.

But even in the best of times, the pipelines only supply around 10% of the water demand in Gaza. Attili from the Palestinian National Authority said that the water is combined with some of the unsafe brackish water in order to increase volume.

The second source of water are small-scale desalination plants, which turn seawater into potable water, but they rely on electricity to run.

Usually they provide another 10% of Gaza’s water, but when Israel halted the importation of fuel and shut down electricity transmission into Gaza, these plants stopped running too.

However, even when electricity and fuel are available, over one-third of plants are not monitored, maintained, or officially regulated. “A number of construction materials, fuel and other things you would need to build and power drinking and wastewater facilities are considered ‘dual use.’” said Fischbach, meaning they could also be used to build weapons. “These are types of materials that are restricted by both Egyptian and Israeli authorities.”

A 2021 study showed that 79% of desalination plants are unlicensed and 12% of water samples tested showed dangerous contamination levels.

“Desalination is necessary to get anything even close to drinking water quality and only a fraction of [desalination plants] are actually licensed and monitored” said Fischbach. “Many of them are producing water that we would still consider below drinking water quality.”

SOURCE:

Gaza Has Never Had Enough Water

A deep dive into the origins of its water crisis

heatmap.news

"In Gaza, some 90-95 percent of the water supply is contaminated and unfit for human consumption. Israel does not allow water to be transferred from the West Bank to Gaza, and Gaza’s only fresh water resource, the Coastal Aquifer, is insufficient for the needs of the population and is being increasingly depleted by over-extraction and contaminated by sewage and seawater infiltration."

SOURCE:

The Occupation of Water

The legacy of Israel’s 50-year occupation of the Palestinian territories has been systematic human rights violations on a mass scale. One of its consequences is the impact of Israel’s discriminatory policies on Palestinians’ access to clean and safe water.

www.amnesty.org

"Gaza normally gets its water supplies from a combination of sources, including a pipeline from Israel, desalination plants on the Mediterranean Sea and wells. Those supplies were slashed when Israel cut off water, along with the fuel and electricity that power water and sewage plants, in the wake of the Hamas attacks."

As I said, Israel controls and is responsible for, the deplorable, depleted water conditions in Gaza. If Gaza wasn't under Israeli control and blockade, water access and quality, would be much better than what it currently is. You can pretend otherwise, but anyone who studies the issue with an open mind will detect your disingenuous sophistry. Your flippant denial of the crimes Israel is continuously committing against the Palestinians only convinces your fellow ZioFascists. They're the only ones who appreciate your hasbara bullshit.

Have you correlated any of that with rockets fired from Gaza? Or do you think they were random and capricious actions by Israel?

The Israeli government officials already explicitly stated that there aren't any innocents in Gaza. Your claim that all of the devastation in Gaza is due to Hamas firing rockets from all of those buildings is ridiculous and without a shred of evidence. I already showed how the entrance of the Qatari Hospital was bombed, killing dozens of civilians, because the Israelis identified a hole in the ground next to the hospital as an entrance/exit of a Hamas tunnel. Journalists did a bit of research and identified that hole as a water tank and well. Hamas doesn't have entrances and exits of its tunnels like that in the open. This is the type of "intel' that the Israelis are relying on to justify their leveling of apartment buildings and whole neighborhoods full of civilians. Nothing you say will ever justify that shit. Nothing.

Have you spoken to Egypt about that? Have you tried bombing them or invading and killing their civilians? That might convince them.
Nope, I don't wonder. I understand vile hatred against Israel. Keep spouting in ignorance. Since that isn't the case, why mention it? As you are in no position of any authority to make this pronouncement, I'll just giggle at it as I giggle at your other stupidity.

Your ZioNazi ass won't be giggling when you realize how much anti-Semiticism your Zionist apartheid state has created through its genocide in Gaza.

You missed the point. The Gaza population has remained silent and the Israeli population wouldn't.

You continue to miss the point. It doesn't matter who "remains silent" or shouts "hamas! hamas!", Israel wouldn't slaughter thousands of its civilians to kill a few Hamas fighters. There's zero evidence that Israel has killed any Hamas fighters with their genocidal bombing campaign, all we have are dead civilians. Children, women, the elderly, and men who had nothing to do with Hamas.

Since you know nothing, your presumptions amount to nothing. Right -- they are only trained to throw them at Israelis. Did you have any other lies and errors you wanted to post, yet again?

No lies, everything I present is well supported by the evidence. Israeli occupiers deserve stones to be thrown at them.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The hole in the ground isn't a Hamas tunnel and you have no evidence that Hamas is using Qatari or Shifa hospitals as their "headquarters".

It's a water tank, not a Hamas tunnel. There's no evidence of any Hamas there.​

As I said, lift the occupation, stop taking Palestinian lands and dehumanizing Palestinians, and there will be no Hamas. You don't have a right to commit genocide in Gaza trying to destroy Hamas. Hamas will never be destroyed with such bombing operations, you will just create more Hamas. You're recruiting and growing Hamas.

 

[irosie91]

" Prior to this war, the water situation in Gaza was already dire. The World Health Organization said that Gaza’s water supply was unable to meet the minimum requirement for daily per capita water consumption."

“At least 95% of the freshwater (from the aquifer) is either inaccessible or not drinkable,” said Jordan Fischbach, director of planning and policy research at The Water Institute and author of a report on the public health impacts of Gaza’s water crisis in 2018.

" As a result, the Coastal Aquifer — the primary source of Gaza’s water — is essentially out of commission. Residents of Gaza are now left with only about 20% of their needs filled. But those sources have also proven to be unreliable.

The first are the pipelines, which were built with funding from international humanitarian aid. The pipelines run from Israel-controlled fresh aquifers and the water is paid for by the Palestinian National Authority (PA) in the West Bank. These are the pipelines that Israel stopped sending water from following Hamas’ attack on Israeli civilians.

But even in the best of times, the pipelines only supply around 10% of the water demand in Gaza. Attili from the Palestinian National Authority said that the water is combined with some of the unsafe brackish water in order to increase volume.

The second source of water are small-scale desalination plants, which turn seawater into potable water, but they rely on electricity to run.

Usually they provide another 10% of Gaza’s water, but when Israel halted the importation of fuel and shut down electricity transmission into Gaza, these plants stopped running too.

However, even when electricity and fuel are available, over one-third of plants are not monitored, maintained, or officially regulated. “A number of construction materials, fuel and other things you would need to build and power drinking and wastewater facilities are considered ‘dual use.’” said Fischbach, meaning they could also be used to build weapons. “These are types of materials that are restricted by both Egyptian and Israeli authorities.”

A 2021 study showed that 79% of desalination plants are unlicensed and 12% of water samples tested showed dangerous contamination levels.

“Desalination is necessary to get anything even close to drinking water quality and only a fraction of [desalination plants] are actually licensed and monitored” said Fischbach. “Many of them are producing water that we would still consider below drinking water quality.”

SOURCE:

Gaza Has Never Had Enough Water

A deep dive into the origins of its water crisis

heatmap.news

"In Gaza, some 90-95 percent of the water supply is contaminated and unfit for human consumption. Israel does not allow water to be transferred from the West Bank to Gaza, and Gaza’s only fresh water resource, the Coastal Aquifer, is insufficient for the needs of the population and is being increasingly depleted by over-extraction and contaminated by sewage and seawater infiltration."

SOURCE:

The Occupation of Water

The legacy of Israel’s 50-year occupation of the Palestinian territories has been systematic human rights violations on a mass scale. One of its consequences is the impact of Israel’s discriminatory policies on Palestinians’ access to clean and safe water.

www.amnesty.org

"Gaza normally gets its water supplies from a combination of sources, including a pipeline from Israel, desalination plants on the Mediterranean Sea and wells. Those supplies were slashed when Israel cut off water, along with the fuel and electricity that power water and sewage plants, in the wake of the Hamas attacks."

As I said, Israel controls and is responsible for, the deplorable, depleted water conditions in Gaza. If Gaza wasn't under Israeli control and blockade, water access and quality, would be much better than what it currently is. You can pretend otherwise, but anyone who studies the issue with an open mind will detect your disingenuous sophistry. Your flippant denial of the crimes Israel is continuously committing against the Palestinians only convinces your fellow ZioFascists. They're the only ones who appreciate your hasbara bullshit.



The Israeli government officials already explicitly stated that there aren't any innocents in Gaza. Your claim that all of the devastation in Gaza is due to Hamas firing rockets from all of those buildings is ridiculous and without a shred of evidence. I already showed how the entrance of the Qatari Hospital was bombed, killing dozens of civilians, because the Israelis identified a hole in the ground next to the hospital as an entrance/exit of a Hamas tunnel. Journalists did a bit of research and identified that hole as a water tank and well. Hamas doesn't have entrances and exits of its tunnels like that in the open. This is the type of "intel' that the Israelis are relying on to justify their leveling of apartment buildings and whole neighborhoods full of civilians. Nothing you say will ever justify that shit. Nothing.




Your ZioNazi ass won't be giggling when you realize how much anti-Semiticism your Zionist apartheid state has created through its genocide in Gaza.



You continue to miss the point. It doesn't matter who "remains silent" or shouts "hamas! hamas!", Israel wouldn't slaughter thousands of its civilians to kill a few Hamas fighters. There's zero evidence that Israel has killed any Hamas fighters with their genocidal bombing campaign, all we have are dead civilians. Children, women, the elderly, and men who had nothing to do with Hamas.



No lies, everything I present is well supported by the evidence. Israeli occupiers deserve stones to be thrown at them.

Israel is under no LEGAL obligation to supply water to Gaza-----or moral obligation. Where is EGYPT?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Israel is under no LEGAL obligation to supply water to Gaza-----or moral obligation. Where is EGYPT?

And the rest of the Arab community?
Oh wait... they don't want anything to do with the Palestinians, either.

 

[irosie91]

And the rest of the Arab community?
Oh wait... they don't want anything to do with the Palestinians, either.

what is "the rest of the arab community"?
does it include Syria?

 

[M14 Shooter]

what is "the rest of the arab community"?
does it include Syria?

Syria is part of the Arab World, so yes.

 

[irosie91]

Syria is part of the Arab World, so yes.

I don't think that Syria is in a position to help Gaza with water

 

[M14 Shooter]

I don't think that Syria is in a position to help Gaza with water

It can provide funding.

 

[irosie91]

It can provide funding.

SYRIA? nope----not in good shape financially

 

[Deadstick]

"Every Jew in the world has the unrestricted right to immigrate to Israel and become an Israeli citizen. Individuals born within the country receive Israeli citizenship at birth if at least one parent is a citizen."

Well then - she's right. She has the right to live there.
What was your point?

Does that also include the psychotic settlers in the west bank? and the Palestinians don't have the right of return from where they were driven out, that's my point.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Does that also include the psychotic settlers in the west bank?

If they are Jews, then yes.

and the Palestinians don't have the right of return from where they were driven out,

Are they Jews? Then no.

that's my point.

When people start talking "Right of Return" for all the Germans forcibly removed from their homes to in other countries to Germany and Austria, I'll worry about it.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Israel is under no LEGAL obligation to supply water to Gaza-----or moral obligation. Where is EGYPT?

It is morally obligated if it doesn't allow Gaza to have a port or airport, or to conduct its own affairs, establishing agreements with the PA in the West Bank for access to water resources or prohibit Gaza from importing the necessary machinery and parts to properly desalinate seawater and sanitize the water supply. Gaza should be permitted to generate its own electricity without it being under the control of the Israeli government and should be able to import what it needs via its seaports, airports, or land. The Israelis are responsible for the deplorable conditions in Gaza when they don't allow the Palestinian authorities to properly manage their communities.

 

[irosie91]

Does that also include the psychotic settlers in the west bank? and the Palestinians don't have the right of return from where they were driven out, that's my point.

depends on the circumstances----contrary to that which you learn in the mosque the fact is that Jews were driven out of the West Bank by arabs. Before 1948 there was actually land OWNED by jews, Obtained by purchase there as opposed to the SQUATTER arabs who lived there. East Jerusalem was not OWNED by arabs simply because BURAQ---muhummad's flying horse took a dump there.
According to islamic law---MUSLIMS raped and pillaged and murdered in the city SDEROT----so now---ALLAH SAYS they OWN IT

 

[TruthNotBS]

If they are Jews, then yes.

Are they Jews? Then no.

When people start talking "Right of Return" for all the Germans forcibly removed from their homes to in other countries to Germany and Austria, I'll worry about it.

The Palestinian Arabs are going to free Palestine from the river to the sea and kick your zionist asses off the land. Good riddance.

 

[irosie91]

It is morally obligated if it doesn't allow Gaza to have a port or airport, or to conduct its own affairs, establishing agreements with the PA in the West Bank for access to water resources or prohibit Gaza from importing the necessary machinery and parts to properly desalinate seawater and sanitize the water supply. Gaza should be permitted to generate its own electricity without it being under the control of the Israeli government and should be able to import what it needs via its seaports, airports, or land. The Israelis are responsible for the deplorable conditions in Gaza when they don't allow the Palestinian authorities to properly manage their communities.

Embargoes on hostile nations become legal when the hostilities are directed against JEWS---according to the FILTH OF CONSTANTINE's Justinian "LAW" BDS is an embargo too making all complaints MOOT

 

[TruthNotBS]

depends on the circumstances----contrary to that which you learn in the mosque the fact is that Jews were driven out of the West Bank by arabs. Before 1948 there was actually land OWNED by jews, Obtained by purchase there as opposed to the SQUATTER arabs who lived there. East Jerusalem was not OWNED by arabs simply because BURAQ---muhummad's flying horse took a dump there.
According to islamic law---MUSLIMS raped and pillaged and murdered in the city SDEROT----so now---ALLAH SAYS they OWN IT

Only 6% of the land was owned by Jews and 90% of that Jewish land was owned by Jewish organizations, not individuals. Jewish terrorists were blowing shit up before 1948:

The Irgun and Hagana(Jewish terrorists) were murdering Palestinians. ​

The Zionists intended to take all of the land for themselves. You can read their literature and the transcripts of their meetings. They were planning the transfer of Palestinian Arabs from their villages to Gaza and other locations, way before 1948. The Nikbah occurred due to Jewish terrorists, murdering Palestinians.