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Really? How much of a lie is the thousands of square miles already burned in wild fires this year, and we have at least two more months of fire season to go. How about the fires in Europe and Turkey? How about the floods in Europe, the middle East, and Asia? How much is that going to cost us and them in infrastructure that we do not build because we are replacing the infrastructure that was destroyed by extreme weather events.Well, those denying made made climate change are as bad as those saying man made climate change is a massive problem.
Really we should just be trying to live in balance with our world, the climate change agenda on both sides is irritating in that they often peddle lies.
Really? I don't understand that graph? Again, China's present output of GHG's is less than ours was 100 years ago according to the graph. And if they can start reducing their output within the next ten years, their total output will be only a small fraction of our total output.You didn't understand the chart at all which unsurprising since it isn't what you think it is.
To help your catch up on the current emissions output which is different from that chart you don't understand:
China CO2 emissions
(Mt CO2)
1990 2005 2017
2,397.048 6,263.064 10,877.218
2017 percent of the emissions 1990-2017 emission increase change
29.34% 353.8%
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Unites States CO2 emissions
(Mt CO2)
1990 2005 2017
5,085.897 5,971.571 5,107.393
2017 percent of the emissions 1990-2017 emission increase change
13.77% 0.4%
Ha ha, as you can see, China is now double America for yearly CO2 emissions, America has stabilized to near a flat trend since 1990.
You are not a smart man....
Once again I have to point out that I am a free thinking Independent, not a MAGA supporter, not a Republican.
Really? How much of a lie is the thousands of square miles already burned in wild fires this year, and we have at least two more months of fire season to go. How about the fires in Europe and Turkey? How about the floods in Europe, the middle East, and Asia? How much is that going to cost us and them in infrastructure that we do not build because we are replacing the infrastructure that was destroyed by extreme weather events.
Worldwide fires have declined since 2000 a fact you have ignored repeatedly:Really? How much of a lie is the thousands of square miles already burned in wild fires this year, and we have at least two more months of fire season to go. How about the fires in Europe and Turkey? How about the floods in Europe, the middle East, and Asia? How much is that going to cost us and them in infrastructure that we do not build because we are replacing the infrastructure that was destroyed by extreme weather events.
Really? I don't understand that graph? Again, China's present output of GHG's is less than ours was 100 years ago according to the graph. And if they can start reducing their output within the next ten years, their total output will be only a small fraction of our total output.
There is a science called paleoclimatology. Yes, we do know pretty well what the climate would have been had we not added massive amounts of GHG's to the atmosphere.The "lie" or whatever you want to call it is that we simply don't know what the climate would be had we not industrialized.
We know from the 100,000 year cycle that temperatures rise and fall NATURALLY.
Which means wildfires come NATURALLY, and floods and all of that.
There is a science called paleoclimatology. Yes, we do know pretty well what the climate would have been had we not added massive amounts of GHG's to the atmosphere.
Some fancy lying there, old boy. If you look at the area actually burned, there is a vastly different story. It has only been in the last six years that we have been seeing years with 10 million acres burned. 2020, 2017, and 2015. And the years before 2000, it was a rate year that exceeded 5 million acres burned.
There is a science called paleoclimatology. Yes, we do know pretty well what the climate would have been had we not added massive amounts of GHG's to the atmosphere.
No, the effect is low today since most of the CO2 warm forcing effect has dropped rapidly since 1880, meanwhile the temperature changes in the Holocene is large while co2 changes are very small:
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Here is another chart
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Sources for the chart:
Climate History
www.scotese.com
No visible connection between CO2 and temperature changes over time.
www.theguardian.com
Lurch fuckin' Kerry?!?
The never-had-a-real-job gigolo asshole, who flys around on a private jet and sails a gazillion-dollar yacht?!?
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Apparently you know very little about the Milankovitch Cycles.Problem is this.
We can look at the data we have. It's accurate to a certain extent.
Global Warming Natural Cycle — OSS Foundation
The idea that Global Warming is a natural cycle is well understood from paleo data covering the past 1 million years. Is there a difference between current climate, and the natural cycle? For the past million years the natural climate has oscillated between warm periods and ice ages. This...ossfoundation.us
Here has a graph.
The last high CO2/temperature up and down lasted from 140,000 years ago to 90,000 years ago. So we see a period of 50,000 years where CO2/temperatures go from low to high and then back to low. 50,000 years. That's a long time.
Our current uptick started about 20,000 years ago, helping humans grow because the Earth got warmer. So if we take what happened about 100,000 years ago, we're only 2/5th of the way through this process.
The one before that started 245,000 years ago, to about 220,000 years ago. That's 25,000 years or HALF the time of the one that came after it. So, we'd be near the end of that one.
The one before that started at 330,000 years ago and lasted to 260,000 years ago, or 70,000 years. We'd not even be 1/4 the way through that one.
That one had temperatures much higher than they currently are. The one after has temperatures about the current level, the one after that was HIGHER than our current temperatures.
AND we don't know if the 100,000 year cycle has finished or not.
climate.nasa.gov
Apparently you know very little about the Milankovitch Cycles.
"In the last few months, a number of questions have come in asking if NASA has attributed Earth’s recent warming to changes in how Earth moves through space around the Sun: a series of orbital motions known as Milankovitch cycles."
Why Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles Can't Explain Earth's Current Warming - NASA Science
In the last few months, a number of questions have come in asking if NASA has attributed Earth’s recent warming to changes in how Earth moves through space around the Sun: a series of orbital motions known as Milankovitch cycles. What cycles, you ask? Milankovitch cycles include the shape of...
I hate to break it to you, however, when it comes to polluting nations, the United States is a distant 84th out of 106. We are nowhere near where we used to be. The Clean Air Act, Catalytic Converters, Clean Water Act, National Resources Defense Council, NIH Green Procurement Program and Toxic Substances Control Act, among other programs have significantly reduced our negative impact environmentally. We aren't perfect, but we are a lot better than 83 other nations and the bottom line is that humans aren't perfect. You might try complaining to the other 83 nations governments.China is a developing country. The US has pumped out far more pollution than China in its history, and per capita produces way more even now.
China is also developing a lot of ways of cleaning up the environment way earlier than the US ever did in its developmental history.
I hate to break it to you, however, when it comes to polluting nations, the United States is a distant 84th out of 106. We are nowhere near where we used to be. The Clean Air Act, Catalytic Converters, Clean Water Act, National Resources Defense Council, NIH Green Procurement Program and Toxic Substances Control Act, among other programs have significantly reduced our negative impact environmentally. We aren't perfect, but we are a lot better than 83 other nations and the bottom line is that humans aren't perfect. You might try complaining to the other 83 nations governments.
Yes. The GDP per capita of China is between $10,000 and $12,000 a year, depending on where you look. Meaning that a poorer person in China is probably going to be earning like $5,000 a year.
The US on the other hand is between $63,000 and $68,000
China put stuff on Mars because they're a huge country that is developing and has decided it needs to go into showy things like going to Mars.
China has parts of the country that are moving towards first world status. Shanghai, Beijing, first and perhaps second tier cities have a level of life that is up there with the US's, but then it has lots of poor people, it doesn't have much of a welfare state, if China suffered right now, it'd have a much bigger impact because of its developing status. It's a second world country that is developing fast.
It has stolen a lot of stuff to get it to Mars, it's amazing what you can do with theft. The US did it too. Got to the Moon by taking stuff from the Soviets, the Nazis etc.
What lies, if any, do you believe have been "peddled" by the IPCC?Well, those denying made made climate change are as bad as those saying man made climate change is a massive problem.
Really we should just be trying to live in balance with our world, the climate change agenda on both sides is irritating in that they often peddle lies.
China is a developing country. The US has pumped out far more pollution than China in its history, and per capita produces way more even now.
China is also developing a lot of ways of cleaning up the environment way earlier than the US ever did in its developmental history.
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https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/what’s-hottest-earth-has-been-“lately”
- A study published in Nature has discovered the annual global temperature today is the warmest of the past 10,000 years.
- Annual temperature is the highest in 10,000 years
New research may resolve a climate ‘conundrum’ across the history of human civilization
The new study also confirms the planet is warming 20 times faster than Earth’s fastest natural climate change
New research may resolve a climate âconundrumâ across the history of human civilization | Dana Nuccitelli
Dana Nuccitelli: The new study also confirms the planet is warming 20 times faster than Earth’s fastest natural climate change
How about if I ask BOTH China and the US and every other nation on the planet to reduce GHGs? Why is it you don't seem to think that possible Frank?^ Sucking up for Xi!
China is the second richest country and emits nearly TWICE our CO2. Chain yourself to their Embassy to protest and leave us alone
