What was a reason for God to sacrifice His Son?

[hobelim]

I can testify that the Holy Spirit resides in me.

You might want to triple check what exactly it is that has taken up residence inside you.

"This he told me is the curse which goes out over all the land; for by the writing on one side every thief shall be swept clean away, and by the writing on the other every perjurer shall be swept clean away. I have sent it out the Lord of Hosts has said, and it will ENTER the house of the thief and the house of the man who has perjured himself in my name. It will stay inside that house and demolish it, timbers and stones, and all."


If there is a spirit inside of you telling you that God is three persons in one being, Jesus was fully human and fully God, and that defying the laws of God and turning to something made by human hands that has no life for spiritual life is the way to eternal life, it ain't holy or of God.


Now I don't doubt that you have been convinced that you are having a spiritual experience because you perceive something INSIDE guiding you and I agree that you are having a spiritual experience.

Its just not a very good one..

 

[ding]

I'm not sure how you could have arrived at that conclusion since I have explained it to you at least a dozen times.

Are you sure that you aren't the one playing games, Taz?

Reference a post of yours where you claim to have explained it to me.

Use the search feature. That's what that is for.

I did, I found nothing. Your move.

Your failure is not my problem.

It's official, you have nothing. Go back to bed, that might help.

Says the one who believes life must be a bowl of cherries.

 

[ding]

I can testify that the Holy Spirit resides in me.

You might want to triple check what exactly it is that has taken up residence inside you.

"This he told me is the curse which goes out over all the land; for by the writing on one side every thief shall be swept clean away, and by the writing on the other every perjurer shall be swept clean away. I have sent it out the Lord of Hosts has said, and it will ENTER the house of the thief and the house of the man who has perjured himself in my name. It will stay inside that house and demolish it, timbers and stones, and all."


If there is a spirit inside of you telling you that God is three persons in one being, Jesus was fully human and fully God, and that defying the laws of God and turning to something made by human hands that has no life for spiritual life is the way to eternal life, it ain't holy or of God.


Now I don't doubt that you have been convinced that you are having a spiritual experience because you perceive something INSIDE guiding you and I agree that you are having a spiritual experience.

Its just not a very good one..

Would you like subordinate Christianity, Mohamed?

 

[Taz]

I can testify that the Holy Spirit resides in me.

You might want to triple check what exactly it is that has taken up residence inside you.

"This he told me is the curse which goes out over all the land; for by the writing on one side every thief shall be swept clean away, and by the writing on the other every perjurer shall be swept clean away. I have sent it out the Lord of Hosts has said, and it will ENTER the house of the thief and the house of the man who has perjured himself in my name. It will stay inside that house and demolish it, timbers and stones, and all."


If there is a spirit inside of you telling you that God is three persons in one being, Jesus was fully human and fully God, and that defying the laws of God and turning to something made by human hands that has no life for spiritual life is the way to eternal life, it ain't holy or of God.


Now I don't doubt that you have been convinced that you are having a spiritual experience because you perceive something INSIDE guiding you and I agree that you are having a spiritual experience.

Its just not a very good one..

Would you like subordinate Christianity, Mohamed?

HOB, ASK DINGBAT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DIE. HE HAS NO ANSWER.

Btw hob, what do YOU think happens to us when we die?

 

[Taz]

Reference a post of yours where you claim to have explained it to me.

Use the search feature. That's what that is for.

I did, I found nothing. Your move.

Your failure is not my problem.

It's official, you have nothing. Go back to bed, that might help.

I have everything. You are the one who has nothing, Taz.

I'll tell you what, let's compromise.

You admit that you cannot believe in God's existence as long as deformed babies, cancer, death and suffering exist and then I will explain it to you.... again.

How's that?

Too late, it's already official that you have nothing. Move on.

 

[kjw47]

yes 34,000 religions claiming to be Christian--one is-1Cor 1:10)-- The teachings of Jesus prove who is who.

In other words, yours is the only right one here.

Learn what Jesus actually taught, apply what Jesus actually taught. Then you can see.

You're a Jehovah's Witness, huh.
What Does the Bible Say About Cross?

Every protestant bible was translated from Catholicism translating. No originals remained when the protestants translated. Altered(removal of Gods personal name. And errors to fit false council teachings. Those translations teach 2 different gods because of the errors. Paul explains who God is at 1 Corinthians 8:6-- One God to all the Father.

You're a Jehovah's Witness. Right?

Yes, the teachings of Jesus point to the JW teachers being correct.

 

[BS Filter]

In other words, yours is the only right one here.

Learn what Jesus actually taught, apply what Jesus actually taught. Then you can see.

You're a Jehovah's Witness, huh.
What Does the Bible Say About Cross?

Every protestant bible was translated from Catholicism translating. No originals remained when the protestants translated. Altered(removal of Gods personal name. And errors to fit false council teachings. Those translations teach 2 different gods because of the errors. Paul explains who God is at 1 Corinthians 8:6-- One God to all the Father.

You're a Jehovah's Witness. Right?

Yes, the teachings of Jesus point to the JW teachers being correct.

I disagree. Let's examine Revelation chapter one. Who is speaking in verse 8?

 

[kjw47]

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

That's the problem with the Catholic church. A Christian church should follow Scripture.

Mark 7:13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

Matthew 15:1-9 1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" 3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.' 5But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is 'devoted to God,' 6they are not to 'honor their father or mother' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8"'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'"

Without the Tradition that was passed down orally there would be no scripture.

human rules= cross, statues, icons, graven images in the churches and homes. None mentioned in the bible to use. Easter-Christmas--not in the bible.

You don't love Jesus, you hate Catholics. You and Hobelim are cut from the same cloth.

The New Testament repeatedly ascribes to Jesus titles and activities that are elsewhere reserved for God alone. For example, the single most common title given to Jesus in the New Testament is “Lord” (kurios) (e.g. Rom 10:9; 1 Cor 1:7). This is the Greek equivalent of Yahweh, the most sacred name for God in the Old Testament. So too, the Bible teaches that God alone is judge and creator, yet Jesus is depicted in these roles in the New Testament (Col 1:16). Similarly, Yahweh alone is said to be “the alpha and the omega” and “the beginning and the end” (Isa. 44:6), yet Jesus says this of himself in the New Testament (Rev. 22:13).

You better check the facts--In the OT Every single spot--LORD or GOD all capitols is an alteration by the will of satan, the removal of Gods personal name--YHWH is not Lord as you are told--YHWH is called Sovereign lord--Jesus never was--Your religions outright refuse to put Gods name back and condemned the ones who did. pure darkness
I don't hate catholics--I hate the lies they are misleading others with. There are major errors in every trinity translation on earth to mislead.

 

[kjw47]

That is strange--Peter clearly taught--Jesus has a God-his Father( 1Peter 1:3)-- so the teachers that followed his line--teach that truth as well.

"The New Testament is very clear that Jesus was a full human being. He had to grow in wisdom (Lk 2:52) and learn obedience by going through trials, just like every other human being (Heb. 5:8). He grew hungry and tired, like the rest of us. He experienced the same range of emotions as the rest of us and was tempted in all the ways we are (Heb 4:15). He was, in other words, made like us “in every way” (Heb 2:17). Jesus was a full human being. In fact, all indications are that Jesus still is a full human being, albeit in a resurrected and transformed state.

At the same time, the New Testament also clearly teaches us that Jesus is God. John tells us that, while no one has ever seen God as he is in himself, the Word (Jesus), who is himself God, has made him known (Jn. 1:18). Similarly, in his epistle he refers to the Son of God as “the true God” (I Jn 5:20). Along the same lines, Paul refers to Jesus as “God over all” (Rom. 9:5) and “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) while Thomas calls Jesus “Lord” and “God,” and Jesus commends him for his faith (Jn. 20:28)...."

Was Jesus Fully Human and Fully God? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

That is strange--Peter clearly taught--Jesus has a God-his Father( 1Peter 1:3)-- so the teachers that followed his line--teach that truth as well.

"The New Testament is very clear that Jesus was a full human being. He had to grow in wisdom (Lk 2:52) and learn obedience by going through trials, just like every other human being (Heb. 5:8). He grew hungry and tired, like the rest of us. He experienced the same range of emotions as the rest of us and was tempted in all the ways we are (Heb 4:15). He was, in other words, made like us “in every way” (Heb 2:17). Jesus was a full human being. In fact, all indications are that Jesus still is a full human being, albeit in a resurrected and transformed state.

At the same time, the New Testament also clearly teaches us that Jesus is God. John tells us that, while no one has ever seen God as he is in himself, the Word (Jesus), who is himself God, has made him known (Jn. 1:18). Similarly, in his epistle he refers to the Son of God as “the true God” (I Jn 5:20). Along the same lines, Paul refers to Jesus as “God over all” (Rom. 9:5) and “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) while Thomas calls Jesus “Lord” and “God,” and Jesus commends him for his faith (Jn. 20:28)...."

Was Jesus Fully Human and Fully God? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

That's the problem with the Catholic church. A Christian church should follow Scripture.

Mark 7:13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

Matthew 15:1-9 1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" 3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.' 5But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is 'devoted to God,' 6they are not to 'honor their father or mother' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8"'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'"

How many passages do you read in Church on Sunday?

0-- I don't go to a church

 

[kjw47]

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

That's the problem with the Catholic church. A Christian church should follow Scripture.

Mark 7:13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

Matthew 15:1-9 1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" 3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.' 5But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is 'devoted to God,' 6they are not to 'honor their father or mother' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8"'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'"

Without the Tradition that was passed down orally there would be no scripture.

Scripture was inspired by the Holy Spirit, not tradition. Read the Scriptures I provided regarding tradition and meditate on them.

And kept alive through Tradition. You seem to think all there ever was were scriptures. That just isn't the case. There is much much more to it. The fact that you would rather argue with me about it is revealing.

I state fact--I do not argue.

 

[kjw47]

Then he has you, lock, stock and barrel.

No, there is no trace of Satan in me...

If there was I would be freaking out about the end of the world like you.

All that know the true God and his son, knows100%--the teachings of Jesus prove the JW teachers are correct, It is a very sad reality= Few know what Jesus taught
In EVERY church on earth the teachers are paid to teach that religions brand of dogmas, very little of what Jesus taught.

I am not freaking out about it, The bible says the coming of Gods kingdom is good news. Those living in fear are the ones who do not think so.

You do not even know what Jesus taught if you believe that the world is about to be destroyed literally and then recreated according to your anal delusions while professing to believe that he already returned last century and only 144000 JW's noticed as if wars instead of peace and your aberrant behavior instead of sanity were proof of it.

Looks like Satan, I mean, whoever filled your head with all of that trash, has you lock stock and barrel.

We don't believe what you wrote.
144,000 go to heaven-Rev 14:3
The great multitude will be brought through Har-mageddon on the earth( Prov 2:21-22, Matt 24:22)-----
Jesus promised the EARTH to the great multitude-Matt 5:5)--The psalmist knew that truth as well-Psalm 37:9-11,29

Ugh...lol... Ok, so where are these 144,000 JW virgins and what is the new song that they learn to sing? Do you even know what that means? And if they go wherever the lamb goes, where are they now? Not in kingdom hall. I looked. Not a virgin in sight.

Not for nothing but you really sound hysterical.

You guys should stick to dropping off pamphlets. And enough with the door to door already. You might have better luck winning over converts if you never said anything...


That dead fish look in your eyes, irrational blubbering, and toothy smile is a dead give away.

The virgin thing was symbolism--Peter is a member--he was married thus not virgin to a woman--proving it is symbolism. Virgin to participating in Govts and false religions.
Jesus began the door to door work- Luke 10, Acts 20:20)-- all that actually know him know it already.
Your last statement just irrational blabbering.

 

[kjw47]

No, there is no trace of Satan in me...

If there was I would be freaking out about the end of the world like you.

All that know the true God and his son, knows100%--the teachings of Jesus prove the JW teachers are correct, It is a very sad reality= Few know what Jesus taught
In EVERY church on earth the teachers are paid to teach that religions brand of dogmas, very little of what Jesus taught.

I am not freaking out about it, The bible says the coming of Gods kingdom is good news. Those living in fear are the ones who do not think so.

You do not even know what Jesus taught if you believe that the world is about to be destroyed literally and then recreated according to your anal delusions while professing to believe that he already returned last century and only 144000 JW's noticed as if wars instead of peace and your aberrant behavior instead of sanity were proof of it.

Looks like Satan, I mean, whoever filled your head with all of that trash, has you lock stock and barrel.

We don't believe what you wrote.
144,000 go to heaven-Rev 14:3
The great multitude will be brought through Har-mageddon on the earth( Prov 2:21-22, Matt 24:22)-----
Jesus promised the EARTH to the great multitude-Matt 5:5)--The psalmist knew that truth as well-Psalm 37:9-11,29

Ugh...lol... Ok, so where are these 144,000 JW virgins and what is the new song that they learn to sing? Do you even know what that means? And if they go wherever the lamb goes, where are they now? Not in kingdom hall. I looked. Not a virgin in sight.

Not for nothing but you really sound hysterical.

You guys should stick to dropping off pamphlets. And enough with the door to door already. You might have better luck winning over converts if you never said anything...


That dead fish look in your eyes, irrational blubbering, and toothy smile is a dead give away.

It is sad to watch you spew your hatred of others.

I haven't said a hateful word against the humans who are being mislead, I say them against satans teachers who they are listening to-2Cor 11:12-15) He makes it look very good and loving to the mortal heart. The same is with the image of the beast. It looks very good and loving to the mortal heart.

 

[kjw47]

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

So you believe that about 6000 years ago GOD showed up and plunked Adam and Eve down into a beautiful garden. You are in serious need of mental help pal.

The only other alternative offered is that a big bang occurred--Where trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of atoms shot out in utter confusion yet all landed perfectly to make all of creation= not in a gazillion years.

No, just 13.8 billions years it took.

told to you by the men who misuse science to the core. They have polluted, the air, land, water, food. huge hole in the ozone layer causing havoc weather all over the earth. Many suffering because of it. 20 trillion in debt--The men who think they are intelligent are leading all of us into a deep pit. Gods kingdom is mankinds only remaining hope.

No, it can be proven by anyone with the right tools. Science hasn't polluted the earth, overpopulation has. That's man's fault. Before man came along, there was no pollution.

God's Kingdom is nothing but a fantasy, do you have any actual proof that it exists? And don't simply quote the bible, it's not proof.

technology is destroying everything. Its made everybody lazy, the young have 0 hope. The unborn will be born into a world and country-20 trillion in debt before they are born, every stick owned. The world is falling apart at a disasterous rate. Gods kingdom is the only hope that remains.

 

[kjw47]

You have confused the story of genesis, the creation of heaven and earth, with the beginning of the universe.

The story of genesis has absolutely nothing whatever to do with whatever may have caused the beginning of the universe or solar system..

Look, everyone of you biblers has a different interpretation of it, I've seen you guys arguing about different meanings... Like seriously, how do you know that your interpretation is the right one? Where's the beef?

yes 34,000 religions claiming to be Christian--one is-1Cor 1:10)-- The teachings of Jesus prove who is who.

In other words, yours is the only right one here.

Learn what Jesus actually taught, apply what Jesus actually taught. Then you can see.

None of you believers here can agree on what Jesus taught. Anyways, it's all hearsay.

All true followers agree.

 

[BS Filter]

Look, everyone of you biblers has a different interpretation of it, I've seen you guys arguing about different meanings... Like seriously, how do you know that your interpretation is the right one? Where's the beef?

yes 34,000 religions claiming to be Christian--one is-1Cor 1:10)-- The teachings of Jesus prove who is who.

In other words, yours is the only right one here.

Learn what Jesus actually taught, apply what Jesus actually taught. Then you can see.

None of you believers here can agree on what Jesus taught. Anyways, it's all hearsay.

All true followers agree.

Who is speaking in Revelation chapter one verse 8?

 

[kjw47]

Learn what Jesus actually taught, apply what Jesus actually taught. Then you can see.

You're a Jehovah's Witness, huh.
What Does the Bible Say About Cross?

Every protestant bible was translated from Catholicism translating. No originals remained when the protestants translated. Altered(removal of Gods personal name. And errors to fit false council teachings. Those translations teach 2 different gods because of the errors. Paul explains who God is at 1 Corinthians 8:6-- One God to all the Father.

You're a Jehovah's Witness. Right?

Yes, the teachings of Jesus point to the JW teachers being correct.

I disagree. Let's examine Revelation chapter one. Who is speaking in verse 8?

Yes lets--Rev 1:1--no need to go past this--The blind have been reading it for nearly 1750 years yet cannot understand English--A revelation to Jesus Christ given to him by God.--- 2 beings--one is God the giver--one is not God the receiver. = Fact.

 

[kjw47]

yes 34,000 religions claiming to be Christian--one is-1Cor 1:10)-- The teachings of Jesus prove who is who.

In other words, yours is the only right one here.

Learn what Jesus actually taught, apply what Jesus actually taught. Then you can see.

None of you believers here can agree on what Jesus taught. Anyways, it's all hearsay.

All true followers agree.

Who is speaking in Revelation chapter one verse 8?

Jehovah is speaking in Chapter 8--3 speak in revelation--Jehovah, Jesus and John. The darkness cannot tell who is who.

 

[hobelim]

No, there is no trace of Satan in me...

If there was I would be freaking out about the end of the world like you.

All that know the true God and his son, knows100%--the teachings of Jesus prove the JW teachers are correct, It is a very sad reality= Few know what Jesus taught
In EVERY church on earth the teachers are paid to teach that religions brand of dogmas, very little of what Jesus taught.

I am not freaking out about it, The bible says the coming of Gods kingdom is good news. Those living in fear are the ones who do not think so.

You do not even know what Jesus taught if you believe that the world is about to be destroyed literally and then recreated according to your anal delusions while professing to believe that he already returned last century and only 144000 JW's noticed as if wars instead of peace and your aberrant behavior instead of sanity were proof of it.

Looks like Satan, I mean, whoever filled your head with all of that trash, has you lock stock and barrel.

We don't believe what you wrote.
144,000 go to heaven-Rev 14:3
The great multitude will be brought through Har-mageddon on the earth( Prov 2:21-22, Matt 24:22)-----
Jesus promised the EARTH to the great multitude-Matt 5:5)--The psalmist knew that truth as well-Psalm 37:9-11,29

Ugh...lol... Ok, so where are these 144,000 JW virgins and what is the new song that they learn to sing? Do you even know what that means? And if they go wherever the lamb goes, where are they now? Not in kingdom hall. I looked. Not a virgin in sight.

Not for nothing but you really sound hysterical.

You guys should stick to dropping off pamphlets. And enough with the door to door already. You might have better luck winning over converts if you never said anything...


That dead fish look in your eyes, irrational blubbering, and toothy smile is a dead give away.

The virgin thing was symbolism--Peter is a member--he was married thus not virgin to a woman--proving it is symbolism. Virgin to participating in Govts and false religions.
Jesus began the door to door work- Luke 10, Acts 20:20)-- all that actually know him know it already.
Your last statement just irrational blabbering.

Jesus sent his disciples town to town with a specific teaching about how to correctly understand and conform to the instruction in the divine commands that leads to the fulfillment of the promise of eternal life and acceptance into a higher realm of intelligences, even while still living on earth, to all those who actually do it.

You go door to door blubbering about something else.

 

[hobelim]

Would you like subordinate Christianity

Heavens no, Alexander.

Those who lead into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword"

I am a very patient man....

 

[hobelim]

Btw hob, what do YOU think happens to us when we die?

According to all of the available evidence some people start panicking about judgment day, going to hell, and the imminent end of the world. Some people start wanking off in public to naked pictures of kangaroos.

The netherworld if full to the brim with a cacophony of shrieking people in agony saying and doing bizarre things.

Either way, the dead can't see each other. They only see what they want to see.

They don't know that they are dead.