What would America be like if the anti-Abortion types win?

[Ambivalent1]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

“What would America be like if the anti-Abortion types win?”

It’s not a matter of if, but when – as it will indeed happen.

For a majority of women there’d be little change, if any – as most of the states will continue to recognize a woman’s right to privacy.

In states controlled by authoritarian Republicans hostile to the right to privacy, the following will likely occur:

Abortion will be criminalized with women and their doctors subject to arrest and prosecution.

Abortion will be ‘illegal’ absent criminal prosecution.

Abortion will remain legal but regulated out of existence by draconian, byzantine, and burdensome regulatory measures.

As to the politics of abortion, it’s a situation where conservatives and Republicans hostile to the right to privacy need to be careful of what they wish for, as the political backlash against Republican politicians will be considerable.

And as is always the case with oppressive laws, the people will find ways to avoid unjust laws or ignore them altogether – laws prohibiting abortion will be no different.

For example, women in Missouri will travel to Illinois to exercise their right to privacy; non-profit funding entities will raise money to pay for women in Louisiana to travel to a free state to exercise their right to privacy; and of course in states where abortion is ‘illegal,’ abortions will continue to be performed, doctors will simply refer to the procedure as something other than ‘abortion.’

The ‘banning’ of abortion will be as much of a debacle as Prohibition; and in time laws ‘banning’ abortion will be repealed via the political process – conservatives hostile to privacy rights will ultimately lose.

Please lay of the estrogen chicken little.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why do you hate black people and them aborted? Are you a eugenists like Hillary?

You realize that made no grammatical sense, right?

Blacks only get more abortions because they don't have as easy access to contraception as white women have...

Sorry about that, but you get my point right?

Easy access to contraceptives????? WTF. Nothing is easier than preventing an unwanted pregnancy. NOTHING!

This is as ignorant as it is wrong.

There is no contraceptive method that is 100 percent effective – women using birth control in good faith still realize unwanted pregnancies.

Whether to have a child or not is solely the decision of a woman and her doctor, not the state.

Government has no authority to compel women to give birth against their will.

 

[Indeependent]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

Thanks for being a proponent of irresponsible sexual intercourse.

 

[gipper]

Why do you hate black people and them aborted? Are you a eugenists like Hillary?

You realize that made no grammatical sense, right?

Blacks only get more abortions because they don't have as easy access to contraception as white women have...

Sorry about that, but you get my point right?

Easy access to contraceptives????? WTF. Nothing is easier than preventing an unwanted pregnancy. NOTHING!

This is as ignorant as it is wrong.

There is no contraceptive method that is 100 percent effective – women using birth control in good faith still realize unwanted pregnancies.

Whether to have a child or not is solely the decision of a woman and her doctor, not the state.

Government has no authority to compel women to give birth against their will.

Typical. I didn’t post that anything was 100%. Dipshit.

 

[Ambivalent1]

I'm curious, who is this "they" that you think will start killing full term babies?

What?
You didn't know that just like there are many soldiers who join the military so that they can legally kill....
There are doctors who enjoy inflicting pain and even death?

There's some REALLY sadistic physicians out there.

Oh bullshit. You watch too much television. I never met even ONE "soldier" who enjoyed "killing".

 

[Conservative65]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

There would be millions more accepting personal responsibility as the proper way to do things instead of killing for convenience. Why do you oppose that?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Why do you hate black people and them aborted? Are you a eugenists like Hillary?

You realize that made no grammatical sense, right?

Blacks only get more abortions because they don't have as easy access to contraception as white women have...

Sorry about that, but you get my point right?

Easy access to contraceptives????? WTF. Nothing is easier than preventing an unwanted pregnancy. NOTHING!

This is as ignorant as it is wrong.

There is no contraceptive method that is 100 percent effective – women using birth control in good faith still realize unwanted pregnancies.

Whether to have a child or not is solely the decision of a woman and her doctor, not the state.

Government has no authority to compel women to give birth against their will.

"This is as ignorant as it is wrong.

There is no contraceptive method that is 100 percent effective – women using birth control in good faith still realize unwanted pregnancies."

So if you don't want to have a baby, use birth control pills, a diaphragm and a condom, then if you get pregnant, you'll know it's the Second Coming.

 

[sealybobo]

Don't want a baby? DON'T GET FUCKED.

Problem solved dipshit.

Kids particularly boys now a days aren’t even having sex. They’re playing video games and vaping

 

[Dragonlady]

I was 1st trimester pro-choice until insane hacks like you made excuses for the ghouls, who are to this this day selling body parts from dismembered aborted fetuses....Now you butchers are carrying the water for infanticide.

Go take your scare story from an irrelevant non-analogous nation and stuff it up your ass.

How are the Phillipines non-Analogous. We practically developed their government and wrote their constitution.

I know a lot of Filipinos, they are the nicest people in the world. But their laws on this topic are goofy, and ones we shouldn't want to copy.

Why do you hate black people and them aborted? Are you a eugenists like Hillary?

You realize that made no grammatical sense, right?

Blacks only get more abortions because they don't have as easy access to contraception as white women have...

Sorry about that, but you get my point right?

Easy access to contraceptives????? WTF. Nothing is easier than preventing an unwanted pregnancy. NOTHING!

I love it when a MAN tells me how easy it is to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. You haven't the vaguest clue and you never will have.

I love it when a woman whines about having miscarriages and then says how great it is that women in her country can kill their children at will.

Joe, there were similar problems when abortion was banned in Romania. There were orphanages filled with thousands of unwanted babies when communism fell. Americans tried adopting these children, but many of them suffered from attachment disorder, because they had never known a loving caring relationship with another human being.

Women spoke of being fearful of reprisals if they miscarried. Especially if the woman was single or for whom the pregnancy wasn't really a "blessed event". Those miscarriages were treated as especially suspicious. I had two early miscarriages, and was emotionally devasted when they happened. But I had family and friends who supported me, and a doctor who assured me my next pregnancy would go better. I can't imagine losing a child in this manner and then being too frightened to even seek medical treatment for the miscarriage.

First the hopelessly flawed comparison of with an isolated island nation, now we're going to trot out Romania under Soviet rule?!?

OK....It's safe to say that you ghoulish undertakers are out of any sane arguments.....I'm out of this mess.

Romania.....ROFLMAO!

I'm pro-choice, and my choice was to not have an abortion. But I was also never in the position of being single and pregnant, or unemployed and not knowing how I will support my children. My one and only experience with genetic testing, which could only be done after 20 weeks of gestation, with the results taking a further 4 weeks, showed a heathly normal baby girl, so I have never been in a position where I wouldn't have been able to continue the pregnancy.

The one thing I have learned is that the 4 between genetic testing and results was the most stressful I've never known. The doctor warned me in advance that if the results weren't good, they'd need our decision immediately, since I'd already be at 24 weeks. Third trimester abortions are the ones which are medically advised or necessary. These are women who wanted to have a baby, who were overjoyed at the news, and now must face not having a child at all. I was never faced with that decision, for which I am enternally grateful.

 

[sealybobo]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

There would be millions more accepting personal responsibility as the proper way to do things instead of killing for convenience. Why do you oppose that?

Because life isn’t so precious I think a woman who’s newly pregnant can’t get an abortion if she wants one.

We don’t need her to have the kid. She won’t do a good job raising the kid. And you don’t like programs that pay for those kids.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

To have any meaningful impact, your post depends on readers to sympathize with those who would savagely murder innocent children in cold blood, and for the risks that they might face as a consequence for doing so.

F••• that. Anyone who would willingly have part in such a murder deserves to die, at least as horribly as the victim of such a murderer dies. Murderers are among the lowest of subhuman filth, and those who murder the most innocent and defenseless of children are the lowest among them.

It is, of course, never a surprise to find you openly siding with such savage murderous subhuman filth.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The problem here is what are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to actually save the "babies"? What the Philippines show is that banning abortion doesn't work. They have almost as many abortions per capita than we do. They do this knowing they are breaking the law and they MIGHT EVEN DIE or be seriously injured.

If you try to rob a bank, then you are breaking the law and you MIGHT EVEN DIE or be seriously injured. What sympathy am I supposed to have for you in that circumstance?

 

[Conservative65]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

There would be millions more accepting personal responsibility as the proper way to do things instead of killing for convenience. Why do you oppose that?

Because life isn’t so precious I think a woman who’s newly pregnant can’t get an abortion if she wants one.

We don’t need her to have the kid. She won’t do a good job raising the kid. And you don’t like programs that pay for those kids.

We need her to practice personal responsibility and killing something for convenience isn't responsible.

What about those that do have the kids. Why should taxpayers a woman told to butt out of her choice be forced by the government she says should stay out of her business when that happen? If what she does isn't my business, when she chooses something she can't afford, it isn't my responsibility.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

What I find so bloody amazing, as well as so damn hypocritical are these "small government" types, predominately males, being so fixated on controlling various aspects of a woman's vagina to the point of an obsession. Then in the next breath, these same control freaks claim their damn guns should all be unfettered from any control under law.

An abortion of a non-viable fetus denies the POTENTIAL for a living being. A gun shot through the head or heart of any person ENDS the life of a living being. Time to end this fucking hypocrisy. Women are not chattel and weapons don't enhance your manhood, fools.

None of us “‘small government’ types, predominately [sic] males” defend any “right” to end the life of any living human being, except under extremely drastic circumstances. And even if you could rationally pin on us, every last bit of the death and destruction that can in any way be attributed to the use of firearms and our adherence to the Second Amendment and the right which it affirms, it is nothing compared to the deaths that you defend via abortion.

 

[Dragonlady]

What I find so bloody amazing, as well as so damn hypocritical are these "small government" types, predominately males, being so fixated on controlling various aspects of a woman's vagina to the point of an obsession. Then in the next breath, these same control freaks claim their damn guns should all be unfettered from any control under law.

An abortion of a non-viable fetus denies the POTENTIAL for a living being. A gun shot through the head or heart of any person ENDS the life of a living being. Time to end this fucking hypocrisy. Women are not chattel and weapons don't enhance your manhood, fools.

None of us “‘small government’ types, predominately [sic] males” defend any “right” to end the life of any living human being, except under extremely drastic circumstances. And even if you could rationally pin on us, every last bit of the death and destruction that can in any way be attributed to the use of firearms and our adherence to the Second Amendment and the right which it affirms, it is nothing compared to the deaths that you defend via abortion.

Oh the drama! If you want to make abortion go away, do something about the poverty that causes it.

Would that you cared about living breathing children as much as you care for those in the womb.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Correct.

Which goes to the fact that conservatives are not ‘small government.’

Conservatives are fundamentally authoritarian – they seek to compel conformity and punish dissent.

Their unwarranted hostility toward privacy rights is proof of that, where conservatives work to increase the size and power of the state at the expense of individual liberty by compelling women to give birth against their will through force of law.

Conservatives are not anarchists. Not even Libertarians are anarchists.

Anyone who is not an anarchist recognizes the need for societies to outlaw certain behaviors that are harmful to individuals or societies; and that the murder of an innocent human being is among these behaviors that society needs to outlaw.

 

[easyt65]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

Thank you for that wonderful post, 'Margaret Sanger'..

If those who do not want to make it legal to butcher newborns won we would have more respect for life and the world might be a lot better off.

How many more EINSTEINs, BACH's, MADAME CURIEs, etc...have we expunged from the world through abortion? How many babies whose future held the cure to Cancer and other unimaginable gifts / talents have been wiped out because of selfishness and the desire to cut up infants to sell for parts?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Would that you cared about living breathing children as much as you care for those in the womb.

Children in the womb are living [albeit not yet breathing] just the same as those out of the womb. To kill one is murder, just the same as killing the other.

 

[easyt65]

One day we will stand before God and ask Him how He could let so many people suffer and die because of Cancer and other diseases...& I will not be shocked to hear Him tell us that He sent the ones who would grow to develop the cures for these diseases....but we killed them in and out of the womb.

Blessed are the children....and may God forgive us, for we still know not what we do...

.

 

[Dragonlady]

What I find so bloody amazing, as well as so damn hypocritical are these "small government" types, predominately males, being so fixated on controlling various aspects of a woman's vagina to the point of an obsession. Then in the next breath, these same control freaks claim their damn guns should all be unfettered from any control under law.

An abortion of a non-viable fetus denies the POTENTIAL for a living being. A gun shot through the head or heart of any person ENDS the life of a living being. Time to end this fucking hypocrisy. Women are not chattel and weapons don't enhance your manhood, fools.

None of us “‘small government’ types, predominately [sic] males” defend any “right” to end the life of any living human being, except under extremely drastic circumstances. And even if you could rationally pin on us, every last bit of the death and destruction that can in any way be attributed to the use of firearms and our adherence to the Second Amendment and the right which it affirms, it is nothing compared to the deaths that you defend via abortion.

It's not a "human life". It's developing tissue, and 1/3 of all pregnancies abort spontaneously. A woman's body will abort the fetus if she isn't properly nourished or isn't physically capable of carrying her child to term, or if it isn't developing properly.

God gave women the free will to choose when to add to their families and women will NOT let you take that away, AGAIN. Too many women died. This is our "NEVER AGAIN'.