What would Obama do???

[boedicca]

Obama would do a kabuki dance performance, invoking the U.N., and then sit back to lead from behind.

Saddam would still be in power.

 

[Katzndogz]

What would obama do? What he's done since. He would go to the muslim brotherhood and say "We'll help you destabilize Iraq and let you put in what ever kind of oppressive government you want as long as it attacks the United States. Do we have a deal?"

The Iraq would have been Libya before Libya became Libya.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So it was George Bush alone who decided to Liberate Iraq?

These democrats had nothing to do with it right?

32 democrat quotes indicate even before GWB that Saddam was a threat!

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ....
He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ...
And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ....
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

ah but they then flipped flopped right?

Some of these same war hawks said this about our troops and as a result the liberation that took only 6 weeks was drawn out 6 years because people like the below
cared more about political power then American lives!
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything "

U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”

Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets"--action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senator Obama said "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"

The liberation was done in 6 weeks... traitors like the above encouraged,cheered, applauded the terrorists in murdering 3,000 more Americans costing $600 billion !

Does anyone else here hate it when posters respond with something that has nothing to do with what you posted? What brand of stupidity is that?

I'm asking you why you aren't attacking Bush for not intervening militarily in the Congo.

So answer.

You are right about Bush not intervening in the Congo and for very very good reasons!

A) The USA just had an attack on it's own soil from the sources that trained in Iraq!
B) Iraq already had invaded Kuwait in 1991 and Iraq signed the 1991 Cease Fire... NOTE CEASE FIRE meaning NOT over but no more firing UNLESS SOME breaks the agreement!
C) Iraq/Saddam let it be known THEY WERE MAKING WMDs.. (Not too many WMDs coming from the Congo I must remind you...) and THESE people agreed:

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

So there were plenty of good legal reasons to remove the dictator that was starving 50,000 people a year! Remove a dictator that already had invaded Kuwait.

Where were the Congolese invaders of other countries?

But regarding AFRICA in general... Bush is loved and here are a couple of DEMOCRATS that attest to that and the FACT BUSH saved millions of African lives...


I'll let Jimmy Carter's OWN words answer the questions about Africa in general...
Carter began the speech by noting that he asked Bush to focus on the civil conflict in Sudan in the opening days of his presidency.
He noted that Bush made good on his word to focus on securing peace in that conflict.

Carter turned to Bush’s focus on reducing poverty and combating disease in the developing world during his tenure in the White House.

“He increased the development insistence to Africa, from the time he went in office until he left, from 1.4 billion dollars to more than 9 billion dollars,”
Carter said. “He established the PEPFAR program – there were 50,000 HIV sufferers in Africa being treated when he came in office. When he left office, for a year, 2 million.”
“Let me say that I’m filled with admiration for you and deep gratitude for you about the great contributions you’ve made to the most needy people on earth,” Carter concluded.

Jimmy Carter To George W. Bush: ?I?m Filled With Admiration For You? For Your Help To ?Most Needy? | Mediaite

Or this liberal Democrat's point of view of GWB... Elaine Ratner
George W. Bush, not Barack Obama, is the real American hero in Africa.
Take it from me, a liberal Democrat who voted for Obama twice. I know a little about Africa: I have been to the continent 17 times over the last 32 years.


Read more: George W. Bush has saved more lives than any American president | Fox News
In fact, South Sudanese today are thinking more about another U.S. president: that would be Obama’s predecessor, Bush 43. As a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter, I was particularly struck by this. Yes, Bush is a hero in Africa, and Americans, too, should know why.
No American president, before or since, has had Bush’s vision and determination to save so many millions of lives.
For Africans, that vision traces back to the early years of his presidency. In his 2003 State of the Union Address, Bush introduced the "President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief" (PEPFAR.)
And that proposal had real meat: $15 billion over five years, as well as a serious look at African health problems, beyond HIV/AIDS.
Bush proposed it, and his proposal wasn’t just a few throw-away lines in a speech; even as the Iraq war raged, Bush spent precious political capital to get PEPFAR enacted.
The result was the largest upfront contribution ever made by any country to fight HIV. And the numbers are staggering.
Five million children, women and men have received antiretroviral treatment under PEPFAR. In 2010 alone, 600,000 pregnant mothers received treatment so their newborn children would not be infected.
Yes, millions of people live productive, healthy lives due to Bush 43
Read more: George W. Bush has saved more lives than any American president | Fox News

In other words, you support Bush for starting wars and for not starting wars. You're a Bush hack.

btw, why aren't you demanding that Obama invade Syria?

 

[Katzndogz]

obama has done enough damage in Syria. obama has already caused the deaths of tens of thousands in Syria including the use of chemical weapons. He doesn't need to invade.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ever wonder why you almost never see an Obama hater on this board committing to a position on Syria, on what we should be doing?

Because they're waiting to see what Obama does, so they can oppose it, whatever he does.

 

[NYcarbineer]

obama has done enough damage in Syria. obama has already caused the deaths of tens of thousands in Syria including the use of chemical weapons. He doesn't need to invade.

lol, see what I mean?

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

So it was George Bush alone who decided to Liberate Iraq?

These democrats had nothing to do with it right?

32 democrat quotes indicate even before GWB that Saddam was a threat!

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ....
He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ...
And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ....
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

ah but they then flipped flopped right?

Some of these same war hawks said this about our troops and as a result the liberation that took only 6 weeks was drawn out 6 years because people like the below
cared more about political power then American lives!
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything "

U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”

Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets"--action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senator Obama said "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"

The liberation was done in 6 weeks... traitors like the above encouraged,cheered, applauded the terrorists in murdering 3,000 more Americans costing $600 billion !

Does anyone else here hate it when posters respond with something that has nothing to do with what you posted? What brand of stupidity is that?

I'm asking you why you aren't attacking Bush for not intervening militarily in the Congo.

So answer.

You are right about Bush not intervening in the Congo and for very very good reasons!

A) The USA just had an attack on it's own soil from the sources that trained in Iraq!
B) Iraq already had invaded Kuwait in 1991 and Iraq signed the 1991 Cease Fire... NOTE CEASE FIRE meaning NOT over but no more firing UNLESS SOME breaks the agreement!
C) Iraq/Saddam let it be known THEY WERE MAKING WMDs.. (Not too many WMDs coming from the Congo I must remind you...) and THESE people agreed:

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

So there were plenty of good legal reasons to remove the dictator that was starving 50,000 people a year! Remove a dictator that already had invaded Kuwait.

Where were the Congolese invaders of other countries?

But regarding AFRICA in general... Bush is loved and here are a couple of DEMOCRATS that attest to that and the FACT BUSH saved millions of African lives...


I'll let Jimmy Carter's OWN words answer the questions about Africa in general...
Carter began the speech by noting that he asked Bush to focus on the civil conflict in Sudan in the opening days of his presidency.
He noted that Bush made good on his word to focus on securing peace in that conflict.

Carter turned to Bush’s focus on reducing poverty and combating disease in the developing world during his tenure in the White House.

“He increased the development insistence to Africa, from the time he went in office until he left, from 1.4 billion dollars to more than 9 billion dollars,”
Carter said. “He established the PEPFAR program – there were 50,000 HIV sufferers in Africa being treated when he came in office. When he left office, for a year, 2 million.”
“Let me say that I’m filled with admiration for you and deep gratitude for you about the great contributions you’ve made to the most needy people on earth,” Carter concluded.

Jimmy Carter To George W. Bush: ?I?m Filled With Admiration For You? For Your Help To ?Most Needy? | Mediaite

Or this liberal Democrat's point of view of GWB... Elaine Ratner
George W. Bush, not Barack Obama, is the real American hero in Africa.
Take it from me, a liberal Democrat who voted for Obama twice. I know a little about Africa: I have been to the continent 17 times over the last 32 years.


Read more: George W. Bush has saved more lives than any American president | Fox News
In fact, South Sudanese today are thinking more about another U.S. president: that would be Obama’s predecessor, Bush 43. As a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter, I was particularly struck by this. Yes, Bush is a hero in Africa, and Americans, too, should know why.
No American president, before or since, has had Bush’s vision and determination to save so many millions of lives.
For Africans, that vision traces back to the early years of his presidency. In his 2003 State of the Union Address, Bush introduced the "President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief" (PEPFAR.)
And that proposal had real meat: $15 billion over five years, as well as a serious look at African health problems, beyond HIV/AIDS.
Bush proposed it, and his proposal wasn’t just a few throw-away lines in a speech; even as the Iraq war raged, Bush spent precious political capital to get PEPFAR enacted.
The result was the largest upfront contribution ever made by any country to fight HIV. And the numbers are staggering.
Five million children, women and men have received antiretroviral treatment under PEPFAR. In 2010 alone, 600,000 pregnant mothers received treatment so their newborn children would not be infected.
Yes, millions of people live productive, healthy lives due to Bush 43
Read more: George W. Bush has saved more lives than any American president | Fox News

Wow.

Might be time to see if something can be done about those voices.

To my original point:

Where does the buck stop in NutbalLand?

 

[OODA_Loop]

There was no popular support for the war among other nations.

Coalition forces:

Kuwait

United States

United Kingdom

Saudi Arabia

France

Canada

Egypt

Syria

Qatar

United Arab Emirates

Argentina

Australia

Bangladesh

Belgium

China

Czechoslovakia

Denmark

India

Oman

Spain

Vietnam

Thailand

Pakistan

New Zealand

Niger

Netherlands

Philippines

Poland

Greece

Mongolia

Mexico

Hungary

Senegal

Sierra Leone

South Korea

Soviet Union

Guatemala

Iraqi Kurdistan Peshmerga

Uh, retard. The Soviet Union broke up before the Iraq war began. Please stop annoying us with your mental condition.

You're wrong.


The Soviet Union was critical of Saddam Hussein's 2 August 1990 invasion and occupation of Kuwait, and supported a United Nations resolution authorizing the use of military force, if necessary, to enforce an arms embargo against Iraq. But the Soviet Union's military support for Hussein also drew substantial criticism from the United States and other Western countries. In Washington, D.C., the Heritage Foundation foreign policy experts Jay P. Kosminsky and Michael Johns wrote on 30 August 1990 that, "While condemning the Iraqi invasion, Gorbachev continues to assist Saddam militarily. By Moscow's own admission, in an 22 August official press conference with Red Army Colonel Valentin Ogurtsov, 193 Soviet military advisors still are training and assisting Iraq's one million-man armed forces. Privately, Pentagon sources say that between 3,000 and 4,000 Soviet military advisors may be in Iraq."

After the dissolution of the Soviet Union in December 1991 the newly-independent Russian Federation and the Republic of Iraq established diplomatic relations and maintained military and economic ties

Iraq?Russia relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[healthmyths]

Does anyone else here hate it when posters respond with something that has nothing to do with what you posted? What brand of stupidity is that?

I'm asking you why you aren't attacking Bush for not intervening militarily in the Congo.

So answer.

You are right about Bush not intervening in the Congo and for very very good reasons!

A) The USA just had an attack on it's own soil from the sources that trained in Iraq!
B) Iraq already had invaded Kuwait in 1991 and Iraq signed the 1991 Cease Fire... NOTE CEASE FIRE meaning NOT over but no more firing UNLESS SOME breaks the agreement!
C) Iraq/Saddam let it be known THEY WERE MAKING WMDs.. (Not too many WMDs coming from the Congo I must remind you...) and THESE people agreed:

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

So there were plenty of good legal reasons to remove the dictator that was starving 50,000 people a year! Remove a dictator that already had invaded Kuwait.

Where were the Congolese invaders of other countries?

But regarding AFRICA in general... Bush is loved and here are a couple of DEMOCRATS that attest to that and the FACT BUSH saved millions of African lives...


I'll let Jimmy Carter's OWN words answer the questions about Africa in general...
Carter began the speech by noting that he asked Bush to focus on the civil conflict in Sudan in the opening days of his presidency.
He noted that Bush made good on his word to focus on securing peace in that conflict.

Carter turned to Bush’s focus on reducing poverty and combating disease in the developing world during his tenure in the White House.

“He increased the development insistence to Africa, from the time he went in office until he left, from 1.4 billion dollars to more than 9 billion dollars,”
Carter said. “He established the PEPFAR program – there were 50,000 HIV sufferers in Africa being treated when he came in office. When he left office, for a year, 2 million.”
“Let me say that I’m filled with admiration for you and deep gratitude for you about the great contributions you’ve made to the most needy people on earth,” Carter concluded.

Jimmy Carter To George W. Bush: ?I?m Filled With Admiration For You? For Your Help To ?Most Needy? | Mediaite

Or this liberal Democrat's point of view of GWB... Elaine Ratner
George W. Bush, not Barack Obama, is the real American hero in Africa.
Take it from me, a liberal Democrat who voted for Obama twice. I know a little about Africa: I have been to the continent 17 times over the last 32 years.


Read more: George W. Bush has saved more lives than any American president | Fox News
In fact, South Sudanese today are thinking more about another U.S. president: that would be Obama’s predecessor, Bush 43. As a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter, I was particularly struck by this. Yes, Bush is a hero in Africa, and Americans, too, should know why.
No American president, before or since, has had Bush’s vision and determination to save so many millions of lives.
For Africans, that vision traces back to the early years of his presidency. In his 2003 State of the Union Address, Bush introduced the "President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief" (PEPFAR.)
And that proposal had real meat: $15 billion over five years, as well as a serious look at African health problems, beyond HIV/AIDS.
Bush proposed it, and his proposal wasn’t just a few throw-away lines in a speech; even as the Iraq war raged, Bush spent precious political capital to get PEPFAR enacted.
The result was the largest upfront contribution ever made by any country to fight HIV. And the numbers are staggering.
Five million children, women and men have received antiretroviral treatment under PEPFAR. In 2010 alone, 600,000 pregnant mothers received treatment so their newborn children would not be infected.
Yes, millions of people live productive, healthy lives due to Bush 43
Read more: George W. Bush has saved more lives than any American president | Fox News

In other words, you support Bush for starting wars and for not starting wars. You're a Bush hack.

btw, why aren't you demanding that Obama invade Syria?

YES YOU ARE CORRECT I support SOME liberation efforts while others are inappropriate. Not in the national interest of the USA...

I supported strongly the Liberation of Iraq after Saddam repeatedly ignored the 1991 Cease Fire... or do you not know about that agreement?
I strongly support any effort that will reduce risks of my destruction and my family and my property i.e. attacks on the USA i.e. do you remember 9/11???

While the Congo murders were just that... WHERE WAS THE UN on that effort?
The United Nations and the Congo

Again... if there had been NO ATTACKS on the USA, then the Congo would be on the front burner, BUT... the USA as millions of people except idiot savants like you
were fearful of more attacks... or were you so clairvoyant YOU knew the Anthrax attacks WERE NOT from terrorists, i.e. Saddam!
Must be great to have 20/20 hindsight when YOU probably were snivelling where the next attack would occur.