What's wrong with Christianity

[Calypso Jones]

Yes justinacolmena
If I am reading your assessment accurately, we agree it is violating natural laws to impose relative bias in policies against the will and consent of others.

I do not see Christians on the left and right uniting to correct this problem by establishing common truth through Christ.

Both abuse party to blame the other, which just fuels and incites more dependence on party and govt on the left side of the equation.

My approach is to recognize each political party and belief as its own Religious Denomination that has equal rights and respinsibilities to fund and follow their own agenda outside govt.

But to hold Democrats to pay for their own social programs, Republicans need to support this not fight and argue against Democrats doing this on their own.

I keep running into Conservatives who "don't believe Democrats can govern for themselves". So if they have no faith, how can we argue for Democrats to have faith in doing all this reform without relying on govt to raise taxes?

Last, I found Christian Anarchists don't have faith in either party, or even in Constitutional laws to check or reform Govt to get back on its correct track.

When Christians can unite, we will get there a lot faster and smoother.

Fighting to reject and bring down each other's groups in a three way free for all is what is making this fail.

We need to pull together on unifying solutions, and use our differences for good, instead of painting and attacking whole groups as bad.

Hoe can we expect Democrats to use their own party system and resources to solve social programs directly? If we keep preaching the liberals are failures, that is why they keep relying on govt to save them.

Real empowerment and equal representation comes from enforcing laws directly. The church does this by teaching Scriptural laws and the govt is Reformed by enforcing Natural laws as in the Constitution.

We get there by mutually correcting and collaborating with each other, not tearing each other down to destroy relations and our national integrity and economy.

I support any points plans or process that helps correct problems and get us all on the same page.

There are many angles and sides to this Rubik's Cube. If we can organize in teams, we can delegate solutions to diverse parties to cover more ground.

Not one side is going to dominate.
The Cube is not all Red or all Blue.

This is going to take some effort to revognize and allow room for different teams to lead different roles of service to different audiences.

Thank you and let's keep sorting this out!!

you cannot unite with apostates. There is one truth. It is God's word as he has had it recorded in his book for us.

 

[kjw47]

you cannot unite with apostates. There is one truth. It is God's word as he has had it recorded in his book for us.

Yes but most translations have been altered to mislead. All the false religions claiming to be Christian religions use them.= 99% of them.

 

[g5000]

If you have negative feelings about something in Christianity feel free to post it here. I created an alternate thread called what is right about Christianity, for those who want to post the like. I'm hoping to avoid the constant bickering that often occurs between posters which ends up distracting from the conversation. Enjoy !

There isn't a darned thing wrong with Christianity.

The problem is alleged Christians worshipping a serial adulterer and rapist and thief and liar and hypocrite.

These fake Christians are actually destroying the church. Attendance is way down.

The unbelievers of Europe attack the Christians as their political opponents rather than as their religious adversaries; they hate the Christian religion as the opinion of a party much more than as an error of belief; and they reject the clergy less because they are the representatives of the Deity than because they are the allies of government.

In Europe, Christianity has been intimately united to the powers of the earth. Those powers are now in decay, and it is, as it were, buried under their ruins. The living body of religion has been bound down to the dead corpse of superannuated polity; cut but the bonds that restrain it, and it will rise once more. I do not know what could restore the Christian church of Europe to the energy of its earlier days; that power belongs to God alone; but it may be for human policy to leave to faith the full exercise of the strength which it still retains.

Democracy in America, Chapter 17

That is how Europe lost its religion and we can see it happening here now.

 

[kjw47]

There isn't a darned thing wrong with Christianity.

The problem is alleged Christians worshipping a serial adulterer and rapist and thief and liar and hypocrite.

These fake Christians are actually destroying the church. Attendance is way down.

The unbelievers of Europe attack the Christians as their political opponents rather than as their religious adversaries; they hate the Christian religion as the opinion of a party much more than as an error of belief; and they reject the clergy less because they are the representatives of the Deity than because they are the allies of government.

In Europe, Christianity has been intimately united to the powers of the earth. Those powers are now in decay, and it is, as it were, buried under their ruins. The living body of religion has been bound down to the dead corpse of superannuated polity; cut but the bonds that restrain it, and it will rise once more. I do not know what could restore the Christian church of Europe to the energy of its earlier days; that power belongs to God alone; but it may be for human policy to leave to faith the full exercise of the strength which it still retains.

Democracy in America, Chapter 17

That is how Europe lost its religion and we can see it happening here now.

99% of all religions claiming to be Christian are false religions.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I was born into Christianity in the form of the Catholic faith. I quit Catholicism due, in part, to its misogyny and the fact that its leadership in the form of a monarchy. Having seen other "Christians" adopt these same mistakes and even identify political views with Christianity, I am ready to quit. None of this, NONE OF THIS, has anything to do with any belief in Jesus. So much of Christianity has been made false by identifying a belief in Jesus with some sort of authoritarian politics, not only in the present day but over centuries, that I wonder what is left to believe in. It appears that "Christianity" is a false religion. It appears that what I believed in was false.

1. Christianity promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness.

2. Christianity created wonderful charities and organizations.

3. Christian persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions.

4. Christianity has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing.

5. Christianity gave us the concept of subsidiarity.

6. Christianity has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility.

7. Christianity teaches accountability and responsibility.

8. Christianity teaches that we have a choice in how we behave.

9. Christianity teaches that actions have consequences.

10. Christianity inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe.

11. Christianity helps us feel connected to one another and to nature.

12. Christianity helps us feel less alone in the world.

13. Christianity serves to ennoble the human spirit.

14. Christianity serves to bind the community together.

15. Christianity inspires love, peace and happiness.

16. Christianity serves to create traditions.

17. Christianity brings order to our lives.

18. Christianity brings comfort to the terminally ill.

19. Christianity can act as a source of hope for the oppressed.

20. Christianity teaches that we can transform ourselves.

21. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.

22. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church.

23. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church.

24. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market.

25. The Catholic Church invented the university.

26. Western law grew out of Church canon law.

27. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life.

28. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.

29. Christianity gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians.

30. Christianity gave us America.

31. Christianity gave us incredible artwork.

32. Christianity gave us incredible music.

33. Christianity gave us incredible architecture.

34. Christianity has spread democracy.

35. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.

36. Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII.

37. Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII.

38. Christians put a man on the moon.

39. Christians ended the cold war.

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i. Separation of Church and State? 240823 {post•960}. ding Aug’24 Ssocas: I mean can anyone imagine an atheist agreeing with "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." dvng 240823 Ssocas00960

ii. Separation of Church and State? 240824 {post•964}. NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Ssocas: I mean can anyone imagine a Catholic agreeing with;

CHRISTIANITY IS HARMFUL AND COERCIVE. ; that but a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, [Jesus of Nazareth] before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandising their oppressors in Church and State; that The purest system of morals ever before preached to man (the teachings of Jesus) has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity, while themselves are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ. Jefferson letter to Samuel Kercheval, January 19, 1810


GOD IS NOT A TRINITY. “It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one…. on, and they would catch no more flies.” – Jefferson. letter to John Adams, August 22, 1813


CATHOLIC RELIGION IS ARTIFICIALLY CONTRIVED But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests. Sweep away their gossamer fabrics of factitious religion, and they would catch no more flies.” –Jefferson letter to John Adams, August 22, 1813


CHRISTIANITY IS HOCUS POCUS. “The hocus-pocus phantasm of a god like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs.” – Jefferson letter to James Smith, December 8, 1822.


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i. Separation of Church and State? 240823 {post•960}. ding Aug’24 Ssocas: I mean can anyone imagine an atheist agreeing with "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." dvng 240823 Ssocas00960

ii. Separation of Church and State? 240824 {post•964}. NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Ssocas: I mean can anyone imagine a Catholic agreeing with;

CHRISTIANITY IS HARMFUL AND COERCIVE. ; that but a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, [Jesus of Nazareth] before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandising their oppressors in Church and State; that The purest system of morals ever before preached to man (the teachings of Jesus) has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity, while themselves are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ. Jefferson letter to Samuel Kercheval, January 19, 1810


GOD IS NOT A TRINITY. “It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one…. on, and they would catch no more flies.” – Jefferson. letter to John Adams, August 22, 1813


CATHOLIC RELIGION IS ARTIFICIALLY CONTRIVED But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests. Sweep away their gossamer fabrics of factitious religion, and they would catch no more flies.” –Jefferson letter to John Adams, August 22, 1813


CHRISTIANITY IS HOCUS POCUS. “The hocus-pocus phantasm of a god like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs.” – Jefferson letter to James Smith, December 8, 1822.


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That's nice.

 

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i. Separation of Church and State? 240823 {post•960}. ding Aug’24 Ssocas: I mean can anyone imagine an atheist agreeing with "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." dvng 240823 Ssocas00960

ii. Separation of Church and State? 240824 {post•964}. NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Ssocas: I mean can anyone imagine a Catholic agreeing with;

CHRISTIANITY IS HARMFUL AND COERCIVE. ; that but a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, [Jesus of Nazareth] before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandising their oppressors in Church and State; that The purest system of morals ever before preached to man (the teachings of Jesus) has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity, while themselves are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ. Jefferson letter to Samuel Kercheval, January 19, 1810


GOD IS NOT A TRINITY. “It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one…. on, and they would catch no more flies.” – Jefferson. letter to John Adams, August 22, 1813


CATHOLIC RELIGION IS ARTIFICIALLY CONTRIVED But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests. Sweep away their gossamer fabrics of factitious religion, and they would catch no more flies.” –Jefferson letter to John Adams, August 22, 1813


CHRISTIANITY IS HOCUS POCUS. “The hocus-pocus phantasm of a god like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs.” – Jefferson letter to James Smith, December 8, 1822.


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You may not have been fooled by W but you are a fool.

 

[surada]

The oldest university in the world is the University of Al Quaraouiyine, in Fez, Morocco. It was originally founded as a mosque in 859, before developing into one of the leading spiritual and educational centres of the Islamic Golden Age.

 

[BreezeWood]

99% of all religions claiming to be Christian are false religions.

does that mean there are 100 christian religions - prey tell the one that isn't ... has it jewish roots, would need be if christian so doubtful there are any that are not false.

 

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does that mean there are 100 christian religions - prey tell the one that isn't ... has it jewish roots, would need be if christian so doubtful there are any that are not false.

What's the name of your religion? Atheism? Socialism?

 

[kjw47]

does that mean there are 100 christian religions - prey tell the one that isn't ... has it jewish roots, would need be if christian so doubtful there are any that are not false.

Yes the 1 religion serves the Abrahamic God as Israel does=A single being God= YHWH-or YHVH---( Jehovah).

 

[BreezeWood]

Yes the 1 religion serves the Abrahamic God as Israel does=A single being God= YHWH-or YHVH---( Jehovah).

are they jewish, worship the false commandments made by the liar moses or the hereditary idolatry of abraham - then they are not the true heavenly religion set by the heavens at the time of a&e.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

What's the name of your religion? Atheism? Socialism?

Atheism and socialism are not religions. You are obviously confused about something.

 

[surada]

Yes the 1 religion serves the Abrahamic God as Israel does=A single being God= YHWH-or YHVH---( Jehovah).

You are not the judge and jury on Christianity. You're just playing at being superior, but you are stupid and destructive.

 

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Atheism and socialism are not religions. You are obviously confused about something.

It is when their adherents treat it as such... like attacking a rival religion or trying to impose their relativistic morals, etc.

 

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I'm not surprised our resident fake Christian Muslim disagrees.

 

[BreezeWood]

I'm not surprised our resident fake Christian Muslim disagrees.

It is when their adherents treat it as such... like attacking a rival religion or trying to impose their relativistic morals, etc.

few know better how to persecute and victimize the innocent than - bing - the holy defender.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

It is when their adherents treat it as such... like attacking a rival religion or trying to impose their relativistic morals, etc.

Do you practice your religion of worshipping the desert God of Abraham openly and freely in America Saint Ding?

 

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few know better how to persecute and victimize the innocent than - bing - the holy defender.

You and your brother Hobelim seem to be doing a pretty good job of persecuting Christians with your hateful rhetoric.

It's funny how secretive each of you are about your religion.

 

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Do you practice your religion of worshipping the desert God of Abraham openly and freely in America Saint Ding?

Would you like to abolish Christianity?