Where Are the 'High Crimes'?

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"Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

These are the offenses designated in the Constitution for which presidents may be impeached and removed from office.

Which of these did Trump commit?

According to his accusers in this city, his crime is as follows:

The president imperiled our "national security" by delaying, for his own reasons, a transfer of lethal aid and Javelin missiles to Ukraine -- the very weapons President Barack Obama refused to send to Ukraine, lest they widen and lengthen the war in the Donbass.

Now, if Trump imperiled national security by delaying the transfer of the weapons, was not Obama guilty of a greater crime against our national security by denying the weapons to Ukraine altogether?

The essence of Trump's crime, it is said, was that he demanded a quid pro quo. He passed word to incoming President Volodymyr Zelensky that if he did not hold a press conference to announce an investigation of Joe Biden and son Hunter, he, Zelensky, would not get the arms we had promised, nor the Oval Office meeting that Zelensky requested.

Again, where is the body of the crime?

Did Zelensky hold the press conference Trump demanded? No.

Did Zelensky announce Ukraine was investigating the Bidens? No.

Did Zelensky get the Oval Office meeting? Yes.

Did Zelensky get the U.S. weapons? Yes, $400 million in arms and Javelin missiles.

Where then is the crime? When was it consummated?

Or was this a thought crime, a bluff to get Zelensky to look into how Hunter Biden got a $50,000-a-month seat on the board of the most corrupt company in Ukraine, days after Joe Biden was in Kyiv threatening to block a $1 billion loan guarantee to the regime.

By the way, what was Biden doing approving a $1 billion loan guarantee to Petro Poroshenko's regime, which was so corrupt that it ferociously fought not to fire a prosecutor whose dismissal all of Europe was demanding?

Should Biden be nominated and elected, a special prosecutor would have to be appointed to investigate this smelly deal, as well as the $1 billion Hunter got for his equity fund from the Chinese after his father visited the Middle Kingdom.

Given last week's party-line vote in the House, where all but two Democrats voted to proceed with the inquiry, the impeachment of President Donald Trump seems baked in the cake. Speaker Nancy Pelosi's designation of Adam Schiff to head the investigation tells us all we need to know about the sincerity of her pledge to make the inquiry bipartisan.

Suppose Zelensky had agreed to an investigation into how Hunter Biden, with no experience in the energy industry, got his sweetheart deal.

Would that be impeachable for Trump? How so?

Does not the U.S. have a right to put conditions on its foreign aid and to seek guarantees that our money will not be used as graft to grifters?

A few of those listening in on Trump's phone call with Zelensky have gone public asserting that withholding the arms transfer to Kyiv imperiled our national security.

But if east Ukraine rises up and secedes from Kyiv, as Kyiv itself seceded from the Russian Federation at the end of the Cold War, how does any of that endanger America's national security? Did not George H.W. Bush himself warn, three decades ago, that a declaration of independence by Ukraine from the Russian Federation would constitute an act of "suicidal nationalism"?

And who does the Constitution charge with making the decisions as to whether military aid goes to Ukraine?

The president, or some NSC staffer who sits on the Ukraine desk?

Since the U.S.-backed overthrow of the pro-Russian regime in Kyiv in 2014, and Vladimir Putin's counter-seizure of Crimea and support for pro-Russian secessionists in Donetsk and Luhansk, there has been a debate in the USA over how to deal with this faraway problem.

Obama decided not to send lethal aid or tank-killing Javelin missiles, lest the U.S. arms escalate a war between Russia and Ukraine that Kyiv could not win.

The Republicans argued the issue at their Cleveland convention. Trump's team won that argument, but lethal aid and Javelin missiles were eventually sent to Kyiv. Now Trump has sent even more weapons.

But again, the authority to make this decision resides in the Oval Office, not in the NSC, not in the CIA, and not with those in the "deep state" who have their own settled view of what U.S. foreign policy should be.

The authority lies with the elected president of the United States.

This impeachment battle will almost surely reach the Senate.

And in the end it will be about what it has been about since the beginning: An attempt by the deep state and its media, bureaucratic and political allies to overturn the democratic verdict of 2016 and to overthrow the elected president of the United States.

The establishment's coup attempt is now approaching end game.

More at Townhall.com ^ | November 5, 2019 | Pat Buchanan
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Schitt's handling of the impeachment prologue suggests he's being instructed
from the "How to Have a Trial in a Banana Republic Manual."

Schitt's reading into the Congressional Record, his version of the Trump/Ukraine telephone call,
which Schiff called a "parody" is reminiscent of banana republic courts. (135 Republicans call for Schitt to be censure over supposed parady)

In Woody Allen's "Banana's" movie classic, the courtroom scene has Mellish (Allen) defending himself from a series
of incriminating witnesses, including a reigning Miss America and a middle-aged Afro-American woman claiming to be
J. Edgar Hoover in disguise.

One of the witnesses does provide testimony favorable to Mellish, but when asked to read back the testimony,
the court clerk, replies with an entirely different, wholly unfavorable rendition.
 
79699c6b-568a-4370-ba27-caec8e09e443.png


"Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

These are the offenses designated in the Constitution for which presidents may be impeached and removed from office.

Which of these did Trump commit?

According to his accusers in this city, his crime is as follows:

The president imperiled our "national security" by delaying, for his own reasons, a transfer of lethal aid and Javelin missiles to Ukraine -- the very weapons President Barack Obama refused to send to Ukraine, lest they widen and lengthen the war in the Donbass.

Now, if Trump imperiled national security by delaying the transfer of the weapons, was not Obama guilty of a greater crime against our national security by denying the weapons to Ukraine altogether?

The essence of Trump's crime, it is said, was that he demanded a quid pro quo. He passed word to incoming President Volodymyr Zelensky that if he did not hold a press conference to announce an investigation of Joe Biden and son Hunter, he, Zelensky, would not get the arms we had promised, nor the Oval Office meeting that Zelensky requested.

Again, where is the body of the crime?

Did Zelensky hold the press conference Trump demanded? No.

Did Zelensky announce Ukraine was investigating the Bidens? No.

Did Zelensky get the Oval Office meeting? Yes.

Did Zelensky get the U.S. weapons? Yes, $400 million in arms and Javelin missiles.

Where then is the crime? When was it consummated?

Or was this a thought crime, a bluff to get Zelensky to look into how Hunter Biden got a $50,000-a-month seat on the board of the most corrupt company in Ukraine, days after Joe Biden was in Kyiv threatening to block a $1 billion loan guarantee to the regime.

By the way, what was Biden doing approving a $1 billion loan guarantee to Petro Poroshenko's regime, which was so corrupt that it ferociously fought not to fire a prosecutor whose dismissal all of Europe was demanding?

Should Biden be nominated and elected, a special prosecutor would have to be appointed to investigate this smelly deal, as well as the $1 billion Hunter got for his equity fund from the Chinese after his father visited the Middle Kingdom.

Given last week's party-line vote in the House, where all but two Democrats voted to proceed with the inquiry, the impeachment of President Donald Trump seems baked in the cake. Speaker Nancy Pelosi's designation of Adam Schiff to head the investigation tells us all we need to know about the sincerity of her pledge to make the inquiry bipartisan.

Suppose Zelensky had agreed to an investigation into how Hunter Biden, with no experience in the energy industry, got his sweetheart deal.

Would that be impeachable for Trump? How so?

Does not the U.S. have a right to put conditions on its foreign aid and to seek guarantees that our money will not be used as graft to grifters?

A few of those listening in on Trump's phone call with Zelensky have gone public asserting that withholding the arms transfer to Kyiv imperiled our national security.

But if east Ukraine rises up and secedes from Kyiv, as Kyiv itself seceded from the Russian Federation at the end of the Cold War, how does any of that endanger America's national security? Did not George H.W. Bush himself warn, three decades ago, that a declaration of independence by Ukraine from the Russian Federation would constitute an act of "suicidal nationalism"?

And who does the Constitution charge with making the decisions as to whether military aid goes to Ukraine?

The president, or some NSC staffer who sits on the Ukraine desk?

Since the U.S.-backed overthrow of the pro-Russian regime in Kyiv in 2014, and Vladimir Putin's counter-seizure of Crimea and support for pro-Russian secessionists in Donetsk and Luhansk, there has been a debate in the USA over how to deal with this faraway problem.

Obama decided not to send lethal aid or tank-killing Javelin missiles, lest the U.S. arms escalate a war between Russia and Ukraine that Kyiv could not win.

The Republicans argued the issue at their Cleveland convention. Trump's team won that argument, but lethal aid and Javelin missiles were eventually sent to Kyiv. Now Trump has sent even more weapons.

But again, the authority to make this decision resides in the Oval Office, not in the NSC, not in the CIA, and not with those in the "deep state" who have their own settled view of what U.S. foreign policy should be.

The authority lies with the elected president of the United States.

This impeachment battle will almost surely reach the Senate.

And in the end it will be about what it has been about since the beginning: An attempt by the deep state and its media, bureaucratic and political allies to overturn the democratic verdict of 2016 and to overthrow the elected president of the United States.

The establishment's coup attempt is now approaching end game.

More at Townhall.com ^ | November 5, 2019 | Pat Buchanan
------------

Schitt's handling of the impeachment prologue suggests he's being instructed
from the "How to Have a Trial in a Banana Republic Manual."

Schitt's reading into the Congressional Record, his version of the Trump/Ukraine telephone call,
which Schiff called a "parody" is reminiscent of banana republic courts. (135 Republicans call for Schitt to be censure over supposed parady)

In Woody Allen's "Banana's" movie classic, the courtroom scene has Mellish (Allen) defending himself from a series
of incriminating witnesses, including a reigning Miss America and a middle-aged Afro-American woman claiming to be
J. Edgar Hoover in disguise.

One of the witnesses does provide testimony favorable to Mellish, but when asked to read back the testimony,
the court clerk, replies with an entirely different, wholly unfavorable rendition.
since the left screamed it prior to him being sworn in, they haven't got anything accept he beat hitlery.

PERIOD!!!!

anti american fks all of you!
 
Where Are the 'High Crimes'?

I am so glad you asked.....


Released text messages between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page "suggest a possible coordination" between high-ranking officials in the Obama administration in the early stages of the Trump-Russia investigation."
-- Texts Indicate FBI Was Briefing Obama WH in Early Stages of Trump-Russia Investigation



"Newly uncovered text messages between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page suggest a possible coordination between high-ranking officials at the Obama White House, CIA, FBI, Justice Department and former Senate Democratic leadership in the early stages of the investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, according to GOP congressional investigators on Wednesday... “strongly” suggests coordination between former President Barack Obama’s Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, then-Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, and CIA Director John Brennan — which they say would “contradict” the Obama administration’s public stance about its hand in the process."
-- Documents suggest possible coordination between CIA, FBI, Obama WH and Dem officials early in Trump-Russia probe: investigators



"The Trump-Russia investigation did not originate with Page or Papadopoulos. It originated with the Obama administration."
-- Donald Trump Russia Investigation: Obama Administration Originated Probe | National Review


Counter-Intelligence Investigations on US Citizens - especially Presidential candidates / newly elected Presidents don't 'just happen'. They are ORDERED / APPROVED by the President of the United States.
 
"Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Can you provide the definition of a 'high crime"?
A high crime is one that can be done only by someone in a unique position of authority, which is political in character, who does things to circumvent justice

Funny, YOU could have just used a search engine!
Too much effort for snowflakes - they prefer to make up their own definition, if you haven't noticed.

:p
 
A high crime is one that can be done only by someone in a unique position of authority, which is political in character, who does things to circumvent justice

Funny, YOU could have just used a search engine!

I could have, but you people like to change the meanings of words at the drop of a hat so it is always good to get these things out in the open.
 
"Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Can you provide the definition of a 'high crime"?
A high crime is one that can be done only by someone in a unique position of authority, which is political in character, who does things to circumvent justice
Funny, YOU could have just used a search engine!
So, finally, you may actually understand the high crime stipulated in the Constitution is subjective and open to interpretation by Congress. Habitual serial compulsive lying for the purpose of misinforming Congress and the general voting public can be interpreted as an abuse of power and high crime.
 
"Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Can you provide the definition of a 'high crime"?
A high crime is one that can be done only by someone in a unique position of authority, which is political in character, who does things to circumvent justice

Funny, YOU could have just used a search engine!

Actually, No...

"High crime" in the context under discussion (per the COTUS Article II Section 4) is whatever Congress says it is, If the HoR wants to impeach POTUS for not chewing his/her food thoroughly enough then it has the Constitutional Authority to declare it a "high crime and/or misdemeanor" and impeach him/her for it, the Senate can then also convict him/her for it.
 
A high crime is one that can be done only by someone in a unique position of authority, which is political in character, who does things to circumvent justice

Funny, YOU could have just used a search engine!

I could have, but you people like to change the meanings of words at the drop of a hat so it is always good to get these things out in the open.

Did y'all ever figure out what the definition of "is" is?
 

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