Which caliber is best for stopping a crook? Pistol, rifle or shotgun?

Just have a dance off
Just so people know. There is a big connection between martial arts and dancing.
More then a few instructors teach both.
FYI
“Bruce Lee was a champion Latin Dancer and at age 18 became Hong Kong's Cha Cha Champion. That's right, Hong Kong's 1958 Cha Cha Championship winner was none other than a teenage Bruce Lee. Lee studied dancing as astutely as he did Kung Fu.”
 
Uh-huh..sure..keep thinking that political party or ideological position somehow equates to some sort of innate skill with firearms..dumbass~
I know dogs that would rip your throat out..while you piss yourself and fire your weapon into the floor. just sayin'--a guy is a lot more frantic..with 120 lbs of dog attached to him.
All your post goes to show is that being a fool is a non-political affair.

You don't need squat that shoots 100 yards for home defense. If the perp is fleeing..ya stop shooting..unless you like jail~

Political ideology has nothing at all to do with it...experience does however.
And no a dog wouldnt rip my throat out I'd simply put up my left forearm and let him take hold while I jammed the pistol in my right hand into his ribs just behind the shoulder and blow his/hers heart out the right side of its body.
And yes I need something that shoots out to 100 yards and then some.
 
Crime rate is very moot -- different jurisdictions have different laws.

Murder rate in UK is much lower.
So then why claim the UK has a lower crime rate?

And there are a lot of other violent crimes besides murder.

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of ultra violent inner city areas. These areas are small and well defined. In fact an area of just a few city blocks can have a murder rate that is 5 or more times higher than the national average and the same size area just half a mile away can have a murder rate of near zero.

We know where all these violent areas are and we choose to do nothing about the violence because it's mostly young minority males killing other young minority males.

And the murder rate in the UK has always been lower than that of the US even before they passed all those draconian gun laws that liberals love so much.

There is a lot more than just gun laws involved
 
UK has lower crime rate then USA.


Wrong...

We thought Bier’s points were reasonable, so we tried to replicate his approach. We looked at the raw violent crime numbers for each country, using statistics for England and Wales for 2012 and for the United States for 2011, in a way that sought to compare apples to apples. (We should note that the United Kingdom includes Scotland and Northern Ireland, but the numbers in the meme appear to be based only on crime in England and Wales, which are calculated separately.)

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

 
That can be a crime in and of itself. People who carry firearms are more, not less, likely to be shot.





The people who get shot are the criminals carrying the guns illegally....of the 10,258 gun murders in the U.S. in 2019, 70-80% of the victims are criminals.......carrying illegal guns too.....and of the rest of the victims, they are the friends and family of the criminal caught in the attempt to shoot the actual criminal....
 
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That can be a crime in and of itself. People who carry firearms are more, not less, likely to be shot.



Looked at the article...of course they make no distinction between the criminals who carry and use guns illegally and normal people, over 21.5 million Americans who now carry guns in public for self defense......

That is how you were fooled.....criminals are the ones getting shot and killed, not normal Americans...do you understand the difference?
 
That can be a crime in and of itself. People who carry firearms are more, not less, likely to be shot.



And this is the line that shows that article is dumb...

While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot,

Read more: Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed

Yes....criminals carrying guns for crime are more likely to get shot and killed by other criminals...since they are the majority of people who are shot and killed by guns....
 
The DOJ says 1 million defensive uses of a firearm at a minimum.
Many people estimate over 2.5 million, because they are never reported.
The way to get a feel for the scale is that over 1 million violent crimes are successful every year, so likely many more times that are unsuccessful.

And no, the 10,000 murders are mostly due to the War on Drugs, just like Prohibition caused a murder spike.
And suicides are a factor of modern society, with more pressures, longer life span, etc.


The research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey
 
England's crime rate is steadily rising.


Yes...this is something the anti-gun extremists don't understand or want to admit...

Britain and Europe suffered setbacks in their societies because of the massive destruction of World War 2.....while the U.S. implemented the "Great Society," which went on to create a now over 75% out of wedlock birthrate among black families in the U.S...the social welfare states in Europe took longer to do this...

In the U.S. ...out of wedlock birthrate among black Americans is over 75%.....black males make up 7% o the population...but commit over 50% of the murder...and are also the majority of murder victims...

In Britain, the out of wedlock birth rate is about 45%....but growing...they have also imported males from war torn 3rd world countries that do not understand or respect British laws or culture......

The immigrants have taken over the drug trade in Britain and they have are becoming more and more prone to use guns for retaliation and protection of drug turf.....
 
And this is the line that shows that article is dumb...

While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot,

Read more: Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed

Yes....criminals carrying guns for crime are more likely to get shot and killed by other criminals...since they are the majority of people who are shot and killed by guns....
I did read it. Victims are more likely to get shot when carrying guns.
“Overall, Branas’s study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher.”

Read more: Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed
 
Looked at the article...of course they make no distinction between the criminals who carry and use guns illegally and normal people, over 21.5 million Americans who now carry guns in public for self defense......

That is how you were fooled.....criminals are the ones getting shot and killed, not normal Americans...do you understand the difference?
A victim is a victim is a victim.
 
I did read it. Victims are more likely to get shot when carrying guns.
“Overall, Branas’s study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher.”

Read more: Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed


And where in that quote does it define who the people carrying the guns are? Are they criminals? Likely yes. That is the bait and switch anti-gun extremists do to hide the truth......

10,258 gun murders in the U.S......

70-80% of the victims are criminals, not normal people.

Of the rest, the vast majority of victims are the friends and family of the criminal, shot in the attempted murder of their criminal friend or family member....

600 million guns in private hands. Over 21.5 million Americans can now carry guns in public for self defense...

Accidental gun deaths in 2019?

458....

Tell us how the people in your link aren't criminals...........and that the fact they didn't explain they were criminals isn't their attempt to hide the truth....
 

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